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May says EU citizens who have been in the UK for five years will be

Its her first appearance in Brussels since she failed to secure

a majority in the UK election two weeks ago.

How are you? All the important leaders from the EU are in town.

They are not just talking about Brexit, but migration and jobs are

on the agenda. We'll have an exclusive report from

Mosul after Islamic State militants Iraq's Prime Minister

says it's a declaration If there are any details, we will

give them to you as best we can. Lee has just set me a message

saying, will the British living abroad be subject to the same

rights? We cannot say that at the moment. Theresa May the Rose

released a proposal to the European Union. There has been no deal

between the UK and EU. For the British government has said is they

want to have a generous and reciprocal arrangement but the

details of what rights EU citizens may have. Paul asks, what was the

arrangement? The dinner featured Theresa May for a while. Michel

Barnier, the EU's chief Brexit negotiator would come in and briefed

the other countries on how this Brexit negotiations are going. After

that, we are expecting a briefing. At some point, this building and

briefing rooms around will fill up with EU leaders who will tell us

what they made of the dinner and what Theresa May said. Keep those

questions coming. If you've got any questions,

send them to #BBCOS. For the first time in a while,

there is an air of optimism That sentiment was clear in an open

letter written by European Council President Donald Tusk ahead

of today's meeting. In it, he said, "We are witnessing

the return of the EU rather as a solution,

not a problem." The 80th European Council in which I

have participated as Prime Minister. But never before have I had such a

strong belief that things are going better. Our optimism should still be

extremely cautious, but we have good reasons to talk about it.

A lot of the positivity has to do with this man,

His defeat of Marine Le Pen in the French election earlier this

year stemmed the tide of nationalist sentiment sweeping Europe.

He is a staunch and passionate defender of the European Union and

has visions of what this institution is to become. He has been telling a

lot of people ahead of the summit. He's held interviews with no less

than eight European newspapers, With me now is Ulrich Ladurner,

De Zeit Brussells correspondent, Before we talk about Mr Macron, your

reaction to what Theresa May has said about EU citizens? It is not a

place to negotiate about Brexit. Michel Barnier mentioned proposals

but I cannot comment on that because it is an issue with him. One thing I

found that was missing from Theresa May's comments during dinner was

what would happen to the jurisdiction of the European Court

of Justice, something the EU is looking to have, overseeing citizen

's rights. That will be contagious issue. When it comes to President

Macron, I have seen Francois Hollande hit a few times. He did not

generate excitement at seeing Mr Macron arrived, the atmosphere was

different. There is a lot of expectations from Emmanuel Macron.

There could be a momentum again from the German and French border of the

EU. But it still remains to be seen whether that will kick in again

bring results. From the German point of view, Macron is very welcome. He

is a strong president, he won a huge victory in the elections, and now we

have to see his ideas on how they work-out. There is a lot of

preparedness in Germany to work with him. One of the issues he sees, and

encrypt the grated Europe is a good thing, but there are countries like

Denmark or not persuaded. -- integrated. There is a possibility

for them, but member states not poster that. Chancellor Merkel

talked about wanting to have a stronger integrated Europe.

President Macron will meet all other sceptic countries like Eastern

Europe tomorrow morning, so we will see how well he does convincing

them. I think Merkel Macron are clear that they want to go on ahead

with integration, the Eurozone, defence and security, nobody will be

excluded. I do not think it is a second time. Two years ago, I was

standing in the sun in Athens, talking about the huge pressures on

the Eurozone and the Greek economy because of its national debt. Have

those core problems been removed or are they just out of sight for the

moment? Definitely not removed. Greece is a small country but 3% of

GDP of the EU is Greece. The bigger problem is Italy. Next autumn, it

will be a huge problem. Italy might come back as a huge problem and

politically there will be elections and a 5-star movement could upset

the political establishment. We will take a break from European politics

but you are very welcome to keep those questions coming.

Mosul's famous landmark, the leaning minaret,

was missing from the skyline for the first time in eight

centuries today, flattened by so-called Islamic State.

This was Mosul less than 24 hours ago.

This is a satellite image of Mosul now.

As you can see, the destruction is considerable.

Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi called the destruction

of the al-Nuri Mosque an official declaration of defeat by IS.

An amatuer recording captures a key moment

in the collapse of the caliphate - the destruction of the al-Nuri

mosque and its landmark leaning minaret.

Now rubble remains in place of one of Iraq's great treasures,

Iraq's Prime Minister says in destroying the mosque

so-called IS has officially admitted defeat here.

The BBC's Arabic service managed to film the al-Nuri mosque just

These are probably the last images of the minaret still intact,

It was inside, at the pulpit, that the IS leader,

Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, proclaimed himself leader

Iraqi forces are hunting them down, street by street, house by house.

But the troops are facing fierce resistance - the militants

As they make their last stand, civilians are fleeing the city -

But for many, like this man, it is a struggle

"May God oppose the militants," he said.

The destruction of the mosque is not the end of the fight

But Iraqi military sources say they hope they can now

advance more swiftly, closing in on the last

They say IS is down to just a few hundred men, and they are hemmed

Orla Guerin, BBC News, western Mosul.

Welcome back here to the European Union. We are getting so many

questions about this announcement from Theresa May that EU citizens in

the UK who have been in the UK for five years will be able to remain in

the UK beyond the point that the UK exits the EU. John says, does this

five years mean before the Brexit vote and will everyone else be

deported? We do not know the exact cut-off dates although we know the

UK Government is targeting a date somewhere between when Article 50

was triggered in the UK is scheduled to leave the EU. Regarding anyone an

deported, we have no details on that. Rahman says, how will

cross-border security issues be tackled? We will turn to that issue

and how Brexit fits into that in a few minutes. The short answer is, we

don't know, but I spoke to the Prime Minister of Belgium earlier and I

asked him if he was concerned about this and he said, we can have smart

cooperation once Brexit occurs. There is a willingness to make it

work. Ali says, what is EU status mean? Regarding citizens, it means

if you are a citizen of a European Union country other than the UK and

have been in the UK for five years, you will be able to remain beyond

Brexit. EU status means if you are a member of the European country not

the UK regarding what Theresa May has been saying. I will get more of

your questions in a minute. We will also talk about security and defence

regarding the European Union because those are issues which are coming up

a great deal. An independent review has found that

senior figures in the Church of England helped to hide historical

sexual abuse by a former bishop. Here's our religious affairs

correspondent, Martin Bashir. Charismatic and ambitious,

Peter Ball, like his twin brother Michael had been a bishop

in the Church of England. Their joint achievement

being heralded on But in 1993, Peter Ball was forced

to stand down as Bishop of Gloucester after accepting a caution

for gross indecency. Despite his admission,

he continued officiating in churches and several

public schools. A second police

investigation led to him being jailed at the Old Bailey in

2015 for abusing 18 adolescents and Today's review, entitled an abuse

of faith, says the Church colluded with Peter Ball instead of

being concerned for the welfare of They didn't follow any proper

process in considering the They approached it

again confused by the sense of Peter Ball being

fundamentally innocent. One of the witnesses

says this review should provoke immediate change

to Church practice. I think the Church has

demonstrated it can no longer be I think safeguarding in the Church

needs to be in dependent of the Church and I think

safeguarding should be nationalised and overseen

by an external body. The most striking revelation

in today's report concerns several letters that were sent

here to Lambeth Palace by victims of Peter Ball

in the early-1990s. Then Archbishop of Canterbury George

Carey chose not to pass those Today, Lord Carey

apologised, saying he Lord Carey has been

asked by the current Archbishop, Justin Welby, to step

down from his position as honorary The Church of England says

that safeguarding will Martin Beshir, BBC News,

at Church House in London. We're live from the EU

summit in Brussels. There is still a hubbub here because

many EU leaders remain in the building. Theresa May has actually

left but has made a proposal to those leaders saying EU citizens

living in the UK for five years will have the right to remain in the UK

when the point of Brexit is reached. The economy is also a big issue,

migration is a big issue, but so is security. Just in the last week,

there have been terror attacks in London, Paris and Brussels.

On Tuesday, a man set off a bomb at the central train station before

The threat of Islamist extremism and terrorism is front and centre in the

minds of EU leaders. The leaders have talked

about the progress they've made fighting Islamic state and have

already agreed to tougher checks on people arriving

at the EU's external borders, to boost co-operation with countries

in the Middle East and Africa, and to improve intelligence

sharing on terror suspects. What impact will

Brexit have on that? There have been plenty of warnings

like this one from former British deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg,

last month, "Theresa May's "extreme approach to Brexit

will have the direct consequence "of severing our ties

to a fantastically useful weapon The UK Government rejects that

analysis. I spoke to the Prime Minister of Belgium earlier who said

a good functioning relationship on this issue should be possible.

I spoke to Giulia Paravicini from Politico Europe.

You will be incredibly penalised by Britain leaving the EU. Britain is

one of the top four contributors to some of the key databases on crime,

terrorist fighters and therefore, once it leaves, and is Amber Rudd,

it takes away its data from the platforms, EU and UK citizens will

find themselves less safe. But with the UK not be able to share that

information and pull funding, even if it was outside the EU? So far,

there is no precedent for this. One problem is to be part of Europe all,

the UK would have the recognise the jurisdiction of the European Court

of Justice, not something they are keen on. The other issue is that the

only country that has so far wide agreement and access to the

database, despite having opted out on Justice and home of the issues,

is Denmark, and the axis they have is minimal, so how will the UK have

complete access to the database? It will be very challenging. The UK is

one of the most valuable and trusted partners when it comes to security

to the EU, so maybe they will get a special deal. I am getting deja vu

with some of these policies. After the Paris attacks, there was talk of

better cooperation, after the Brussels airport attack, there was

talk of better cooperation, why is it not happening already?

Intelligence sharing and information is still treated as a precious

commodity that states trade on a bilateral level and are very jealous

of. And why should I give you all in the way near or Slovenia, minor

countries, when I do not get anything in return? It is not done

in an automatic way and there is not the political willingness to share

more. And who in the end ends up being affected by this other

citizens. Welcome back to the European Council here in Brussels.

What has been striking, covering not just this summit and the build-up to

it, but also the UK election, is where ever we have been, whether on

the beach in Cornwall or talking to the Prime Minister of the

Netherlands, everyone is saying they would like more information on

Brexit, and that has been brought up by the number of questions you are

sending in. There is a thirst just to know what is. The race. It is one

of the things we saw in the recent election campaign. There is a lot of

rhetoric but very little detail about what Brexit might mean in

practice and about some of the compromises that will have to be

made on the UK side and the EU side if we are to get a decent deal for

everyone. I do feel we have not necessarily had an honest debate

about Brexit yet maybe it is time to start. Matt wants to say, I thought

we were supposed to not get a running commentary on Brexit

negotiations, so why is this been made public? The formal negotiating

route is between Michel Barnier and David Davis and the teams. Theresa

May wanted to come here make a statement when she was with other EU

leaders but earlier this Donald Tusk said this is not how we negotiate,

we have our negotiators to do this, the European Council is not the

right place. But Mrs Mabel have made the intervention, everyone will have

listened politely and then moved on. Ali says, does that mean EU citizens

who have not been in the UK for five years may have to go? This is just a

British proposal. We have already had detailed proposals from the

European Union suggesting all EU citizens living in the UK should

have the same rights they have while Britain is in the EU. What we don't

yet know is when a cut-off date may be. The British proposals are

sometime between the day we triggered Article 50 and the day we

are due to leave. I suspect it will end up being March 2019 because if

you made March 2017, it would mean people arriving in the last couple

of months would have to leave. We are getting more questions on this

than anything else. Raj asks, what dates for five years run from? We

honestly do not know that yet. At the moment, you have to be a

resident for five years to be a permanent resident. Anyone in the UK

on the cut-off date, whenever that may be, I suspect it will end up

being the day we leave the European Union, will be eligible to take part

in this scheme. This is just a British proposal. The EU has a more

detailed proposal out there already in the squad to be some compromise

between the two. Do you think the UK Government is risking a surgeon

migration into the UK when it announces there could be a cut-off

point? That is unlikely. People know that the EU is leaving already and

what we have seen in the last year is that net migration from the

European Union in 2016 has fallen considerably and fewer people have

been coming from eastern Europe, but the biggest single difference is

that quite a lot of EU citizens have been in the UK and have upped and

left. Numbers are coming down already. It is unlikely that there

will be a big surge because we have seen anecdotal evidence that Polish

fruit pickers are thinking, if I will not be made to feel welcome in

the UK, I can pick fruit in Germany instead, and that is particularly

also because of the currency issue, they get less bang for their buck

now because of the way the pound has fallen since the referendum took

place. We have had a significant announcement on defence with the EU

looking to broaden it much more closely on that issue. What is the

argument in favour of this great integration? More effective, save

more money. EU countries tend to do the defence planning and research on

their own. If they have a union in so many other things, why not

combine and be more efficient in that way? There is also the bigger

geopolitical point, most of us are members of Nato, do we rely on a

United States under Donald Trump indefinitely or is this the kind

that Europe needs to take more responsibility for its own defence?

Summer that will be done within Nato but Germany and France in particular

wanted more EU defence capability and with the UK on its way out,

there is more political will to get that done. Give us an idea of the

chronology from this point onwards. Right now, the 27 leaders without

Theresa May are discussing the fate of two EU agencies, the banking

authority and the medicines agency, in the UK and will have to be

relocated elsewhere, then they will meet again tomorrow to talk mainly

about the economy. In the end, that is one of the big issues behind all

the drama on Brexit and refugees. So they could appear at any point? The

code. Thank you very much for all your questions. I will be on Twitter

in a couple of minutes if you want to talk to me there. Goodbye from

all of us here in the European Council in Brussels.