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Welcome to Outside Source. Saudi
Arabia has told its citizens in | 0:00:14 | 0:00:18 | |
Lebanon to leave the country
immediately, meanwhile, many | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
Lebanese feel their country is being
dragged into a wider cold war | 0:00:21 | 0:00:25 | |
between Saudi Arabia and Iran. Round
six of "Brexit" talks happened this | 0:00:25 | 0:00:31 | |
week, with little progress having
been made so far, we will speak with | 0:00:31 | 0:00:35 | |
the BBC Europe editor about what is
the main stumbling block. Donald | 0:00:35 | 0:00:40 | |
Trump is in China, talking trade,
definitely changed his tone from the | 0:00:40 | 0:00:44 | |
campaign Trail, compare this: we
cannot continue to allow China to | 0:00:44 | 0:00:51 | |
rape our country, and that is what
they are doing. With this, from | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
today. Who can blame a country for
taking advantage of another country | 0:00:54 | 0:01:02 | |
for the benefit of its own citizens,
I give China great credit. Because | 0:01:02 | 0:01:06 | |
of the new Saudi blockade, Yemen is
seeing the worst famine the country | 0:01:06 | 0:01:12 | |
has seen for several decades. As
usual, if you are watching, if you | 0:01:12 | 0:01:16 | |
have questions, if you want to pick
up on a particular piece of news, | 0:01:16 | 0:01:21 | |
then the hashtag is #os. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
Yesterday on Outside Source we
talked about the political crisis in | 0:01:35 | 0:01:39 | |
Lebanon, and the situation has
escalated | 0:01:39 | 0:01:40 | |
since then, we want to show you this
story written by the Saudi press | 0:01:40 | 0:01:49 | |
agency, a source within the Saudi
Ministry of foreign affairs has | 0:01:49 | 0:01:54 | |
said, due to the situations in
Lebanon, Saudi nationals visiting or | 0:01:54 | 0:01:58 | |
residing are asked to leave the
country as soon as possible. Exactly | 0:01:58 | 0:02:04 | |
what situations it is referring to
is not clear, but the political | 0:02:04 | 0:02:09 | |
context is clear. At the weekend,
Lebanon's Prime Minister resigned, | 0:02:09 | 0:02:15 | |
very few people saw that coming. On
Saturday, he had flown from Lebanon | 0:02:15 | 0:02:19 | |
to Saudi Arabia, summoned by the
king, now, Saudi Arabia denies | 0:02:19 | 0:02:23 | |
telling him to step down, not
everyone buys that. Not just the | 0:02:23 | 0:02:28 | |
Saudis ordering their citizens out
of Lebanon, here's the Associated | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
Press telling us Kuwait calls on its
citizens to leave too following | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
similar moves not just by Saudi
Arabia but by Bahrain as well. A | 0:02:36 | 0:02:40 | |
little earlier I spoke with our
Arabic affairs analyst, on why the | 0:02:40 | 0:02:46 | |
Saudis have this much influence over
Lebanese politics. A lot of sway | 0:02:46 | 0:02:54 | |
with the president, going back to
his father who was assassinated, he | 0:02:54 | 0:02:59 | |
was known as Mr Lebanon, his
business empire was built there, in | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
Saudi Arabia. The wealth and the
political | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
Saudi Arabia. The wealth and the
political influence to a large | 0:03:08 | 0:03:08 | |
extent of the Hariris is built in
Saudi Arabia, he has not been able | 0:03:08 | 0:03:21 | |
to step out from under the shadow of
his father, or the sense that he is | 0:03:21 | 0:03:25 | |
the tool in Lebanon. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:26 | |
Saudi Arabia has huge investments in
Lebanon, far beyond the Hariris and | 0:03:27 | 0:03:34 | |
a very strong connection as the
leading nation of the Sunni part of | 0:03:34 | 0:03:44 | |
the Muslim faith, that has a strong
resonance in Lebanon with the Sunni | 0:03:44 | 0:03:52 | |
littered the leaders, up against
Hezbollah, that is where the | 0:03:52 | 0:03:56 | |
interest comes in. And when he made
his speech, he had the strongest | 0:03:56 | 0:04:01 | |
words for Hezbollah in Iran, saying
they bring chaos and devastation | 0:04:01 | 0:04:05 | |
wherever they can. That is the
connection, but in terms of | 0:04:05 | 0:04:10 | |
practicality of what is happening,
do they have the ability to dictator | 0:04:10 | 0:04:16 | |
who replaces Mr Hariri? Hezbollah,
which the Saudis are against because | 0:04:16 | 0:04:23 | |
of Iranian influence, is probably
the strongest force in Lebanon, | 0:04:23 | 0:04:29 | |
politically and militarily. The idea
of moving Hezbollah away from that | 0:04:29 | 0:04:33 | |
position, essentially what the
Saudis want, go back to the time of | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
graphic Hariri, he challenged them
at that time many could not get | 0:04:36 | 0:04:41 | |
anywhere, that is 12 years ago and
he ended up dead, and since then, | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
Hezbollah members have been accused
of involvement in his murder. -- | 0:04:45 | 0:04:49 | |
Rafic Hariri. We are talking about
deep and dark waters and this is | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
what the Lebanese are most concerned
about, that the Saudis are stirring | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
up something that the Lebanese have
tried to keep a lid on. They have | 0:04:56 | 0:05:01 | |
been next to the Syrian conflict,
walking a tightrope there, Hezbollah | 0:05:01 | 0:05:05 | |
deeply involved, they feel grateful
they have not been drawn deeply into | 0:05:05 | 0:05:10 | |
that, they feel something like this
could upset the balance and overturn | 0:05:10 | 0:05:14 | |
them and they will lose the
tightrope and down they plunge. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:18 | |
Saudi Arabia in the news for a
number of reasons, Crown Prince | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
Mohammed is at the heart of a number
of stories. On Saturday he began an | 0:05:20 | 0:05:27 | |
anti-corruption purge in Saudi
Arabia, we know that 200 people are | 0:05:27 | 0:05:32 | |
being questioned, with the Saudi
Attorney General saying that up to | 0:05:32 | 0:05:37 | |
$100 billion may have been misused
in various corrupt ways. The BBC | 0:05:37 | 0:05:42 | |
understands those caught up in the
anti-corruption drive are being held | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
at the 5-star Ritz-Carlton in
Riyadh, none of them have been | 0:05:45 | 0:05:50 | |
named, we know that they are
princes, ministers, influential | 0:05:50 | 0:05:54 | |
businessmen. Here is Sebastien Usher
on that story. This is the Crown | 0:05:54 | 0:06:04 | |
Prince, Mohammad Bin Salman, his
rise has been vertiginous, since his | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
father took control, took power, and
this move on Saturday, we had the | 0:06:07 | 0:06:14 | |
resident shin -- resignation of
Hariri, and then this round-up. The | 0:06:14 | 0:06:20 | |
princes are best known, they ran the
country for years, the businessmen | 0:06:20 | 0:06:25 | |
who run the TV stations, who run the
biggest businesses, they have been | 0:06:25 | 0:06:30 | |
humiliated, if nothing else. Today
we heard from the Saudis that more | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
than 200 people have been called in
for questioning, talking about at | 0:06:33 | 0:06:38 | |
least $100 billion that has been
involved in systematic corruption | 0:06:38 | 0:06:41 | |
over the decades. Most people would
think that is an underestimate, even | 0:06:41 | 0:06:46 | |
though it is an extraordinary amount
of money, this is the way business | 0:06:46 | 0:06:48 | |
was done through all these decades.
The Crown Prince is trying to | 0:06:48 | 0:06:52 | |
overturn that but in overturning
that, it shakes the stability, not | 0:06:52 | 0:06:58 | |
just of Saudi Arabia but of the
region. He has the young people, | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
they want this change, they believe
it is necessary, the economy has | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
been suffering with falling oil
prices, something needed to be done. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
This may be pushing it too far.
Starting off in Lebanon and Saudi | 0:07:09 | 0:07:14 | |
Arabia, next, Brussels. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:18 | |
Round six of the "Brexit" talks are
up on us, you could make the case | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
that these matter more than any of
the previous five, if you have not | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
read it, excellent article by the
Europe editor, about the particular | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
pressures coming to bear in this
round of talks. The emphasis given | 0:07:28 | 0:07:33 | |
is on these core issues, the UK
really wants to start talks about a | 0:07:33 | 0:07:38 | |
future trading relationship. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:42 | |
The so-called divorce Bill,
frustration among "Brexit" | 0:07:49 | 0:07:53 | |
supporters. We wanted to know what
we made of that particular point, | 0:07:53 | 0:08:01 | |
here we are, in Brussels. This comes
down to the fact the two sides are | 0:08:01 | 0:08:06 | |
even argue about whether to call
these negotiating rounds or not or | 0:08:06 | 0:08:10 | |
whether it is an exchange of a point
of view. The UK wants for these | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
meetings in Brussels to be more
flexible. Discussing issues such as | 0:08:14 | 0:08:20 | |
citizens rights, when they reach and
impress, go back to London and say, | 0:08:20 | 0:08:25 | |
what can the Plan B, can we make
improvement, can we change tack. The | 0:08:25 | 0:08:30 | |
EU says, no, that is not possible,
because for Michel Barnier, the lead | 0:08:30 | 0:08:35 | |
EU negotiator, it is not how one
capital city with him he has to | 0:08:35 | 0:08:39 | |
refer to, he has 27 plus the
European Parliament as well, that is | 0:08:39 | 0:08:43 | |
why the EU says it remains rigid in
its call. The EU says, you guys said | 0:08:43 | 0:08:52 | |
he wanted to leave the club, so you
have to do that under our rules, and | 0:08:52 | 0:08:56 | |
that is where the apparent EU
rigidity comes from. At the moment, | 0:08:56 | 0:09:00 | |
it appears to be an impact. If the
UK can move somehow, on the money | 0:09:00 | 0:09:05 | |
issue, which is not, the EU says, a
"Brexit" bill, but rather the UK | 0:09:05 | 0:09:12 | |
honouring what has already been
made, then there can be more trust. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:16 | |
At the moment it is nonexistent, the
EU says it would be flexible if the | 0:09:16 | 0:09:20 | |
EU says, we need to honour some of
those commitments. We will say yes | 0:09:20 | 0:09:25 | |
to that one, no to that one, we want
wiggle room on that one, then it can | 0:09:25 | 0:09:30 | |
negotiate but first it once written
confirmation from the UK that it is | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
willing to look at those financial
commitments and that it promises to | 0:09:33 | 0:09:38 | |
honour them. You were alluding to
this instability within Theresa | 0:09:38 | 0:09:45 | |
May's government. How is all of this
turmoil being perceived in Brussels? | 0:09:45 | 0:09:51 | |
Watched very closely. Going to
background briefings with sources, | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
they quote bits to me out of UK
newspapers. Watch closely with open | 0:09:54 | 0:10:00 | |
mouths here in Brussels but
particularly closely because they | 0:10:00 | 0:10:04 | |
reckon the upheaval in Westminster
means that it will have an impact on | 0:10:04 | 0:10:08 | |
Brexit negotiations and in the end,
that is what they care about, the EU | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
want a deal, not just the UK, the
reason the EU is keen for a deal is | 0:10:12 | 0:10:19 | |
because they want the money, because
if the UK walks out now, without any | 0:10:19 | 0:10:23 | |
deal on the table, that leaves a
huge gaping hole on the EU's | 0:10:23 | 0:10:31 | |
multinational budget, the EU unity,
that it is so proud of, standing | 0:10:31 | 0:10:36 | |
together in "Brexit" negotiations,
that will fall apart, when countries | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
are pitted against each other, I am
not paying any more, you promised me | 0:10:39 | 0:10:43 | |
a bridge and restructuring
projects... So that is why it is so | 0:10:43 | 0:10:48 | |
important for the EU that a deal is
done. That is the dance both sides | 0:10:48 | 0:10:52 | |
are doing between not wanting a bad
deal but wanting a deal, when you | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
hear from the UK side, "no deal is
better than a bad deal", that goes | 0:10:56 | 0:11:01 | |
for the EU as well, they do not want
a deal so much that they will | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
compromise on the single market or
that they will bend the rules they | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
hold so dear, because in the end, it
is what keeps them together. Some | 0:11:08 | 0:11:14 | |
sources quoting UK newspapers to
her, I wonder if they quoted this | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
article, in the Times column the EU
is preparing for the fall of Theresa | 0:11:17 | 0:11:22 | |
May before New Year and a change of
leadership or elections leading to a | 0:11:22 | 0:11:26 | |
Labour victory. Needless to say, not
everyone agrees with that particular | 0:11:26 | 0:11:32 | |
analysis, here is what prominent
Brexiteer Iain Duncan Smith makes of | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
this kind of thing: I think it is a
bit rich of them to speak about | 0:11:35 | 0:11:41 | |
this... The Dutch government, after
months, only just managed to find | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
its own feet, had not form a
government. Germany does not have an | 0:11:44 | 0:11:48 | |
official government. Chaos in Italy,
elections coming up, real problems | 0:11:48 | 0:11:53 | |
over their banks. Theresa May is the
one person who can actually still | 0:11:53 | 0:11:57 | |
unite the cabinet and the party and
while we are leaving the European | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
Union can make sure that the party
stays at ease with her domestic | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
agenda. That is what Theresa May is
trying to | 0:12:04 | 0:12:08 | |
do, in | 0:12:08 | 0:12:08 | |
part, by promoting today, Penny
Mordaunt, to the newly vacant | 0:12:08 | 0:12:12 | |
International Development Secretary
role, member, Priti Patel resigned | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
yesterday. She supported "Brexit" in
the referendum, this keeps the | 0:12:15 | 0:12:23 | |
delicate balance in cabinet, that is
the theory. Iain Watson, has she | 0:12:23 | 0:12:27 | |
done well, keeping this delicate
balance? Certainly, a very vocal | 0:12:27 | 0:12:35 | |
member of the vote Leave campaign,
in fact, claiming that Britain could | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
not veto Turkey's access into the
European Union, that is somewhere | 0:12:39 | 0:12:45 | |
off, and indeed, Britain could
indeed have vetoed it, she was in | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
the news during the course of the
referendum campaign for her views | 0:12:49 | 0:12:51 | |
but he was also liked by those who
campaigned strongly for Britain to | 0:12:51 | 0:12:55 | |
leave the European Union, she has
many years of campaign experience | 0:12:55 | 0:12:58 | |
working for the Conservative Party
in head office and has junior | 0:12:58 | 0:13:02 | |
ministerial experience as well. I am
not sure that we can entirely see | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
her appointment because of a
"Brexit", Theresa May would like to | 0:13:06 | 0:13:12 | |
keep a gender balance in the
cabinet, she has brought in another | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
woman with ministerial experience
and kind of knocking on the door of | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
the top team in the first place,
because there was speculation when | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
Michael Fallon was Defence
Secretary, just a week or so ago, | 0:13:22 | 0:13:27 | |
Penny Mordaunt, with experience, as
an services Minister, coming from | 0:13:27 | 0:13:34 | |
unarmed services background, reserve
for the Royal Navy, may get | 0:13:34 | 0:13:37 | |
promoted, that did not happen but it
seemed perhaps not entirely logical | 0:13:37 | 0:13:41 | |
that she would get elevated at some
point. Certainly people like Iain | 0:13:41 | 0:13:45 | |
Duncan Smith who campaigned strongly
for leaving the European Union will | 0:13:45 | 0:13:49 | |
be pleased to see somebody with her
robust views sitting around the | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
cabinet table. Don't go anywhere, I
want to talk about pressure on | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
another cabinet minister. The
Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson has | 0:13:56 | 0:14:00 | |
not yet finished with those comments
he made last week about a British | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
Iranian woman who is in prison in
Iran for allegedly trying to topple | 0:14:04 | 0:14:09 | |
the government. These are the
comments in question: look at what | 0:14:09 | 0:14:15 | |
Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe was doing,
she was simply teaching people | 0:14:15 | 0:14:22 | |
journalism, as I understand it. The
Foreign Secretary saying that she | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
was teaching people journalism, she
has said she was not doing that, she | 0:14:25 | 0:14:30 | |
was on holiday. This is a rainy
state terror television with a | 0:14:30 | 0:14:34 | |
report late last night, it has been
reporting the comments of the | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
Foreign Secretary and saying he
unwittingly confirmed that in fact, | 0:14:37 | 0:14:41 | |
Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe was in
Iran to train journalists. Iranians | 0:14:41 | 0:14:54 | |
elevation story is a pushback
against all the negative publicity | 0:14:54 | 0:14:59 | |
that Iran has been getting over the
incarceration of Nazanin | 0:14:59 | 0:15:11 | |
Zaghari-Ratcliffe, the message to
the public is basically Tom that we | 0:15:11 | 0:15:16 | |
told you so, that she is a spy, that
the British Foreign Secretary said | 0:15:16 | 0:15:23 | |
so, and said that in British
Parliament. Story raises the stakes | 0:15:23 | 0:15:30 | |
in terms of the importance of the
story for Iran and Britain's | 0:15:30 | 0:15:35 | |
relations. For the visiting the next
few weeks to Iran. An important | 0:15:35 | 0:15:44 | |
problem that has to be resolved. But
have this in mind, that the | 0:15:44 | 0:15:49 | |
publicity, the gaffe, managed to
generate, not only in the British | 0:15:49 | 0:15:56 | |
media but also in the international
media has helped to raise the | 0:15:56 | 0:16:01 | |
profile of the story of Nazanin
Zaghari-Ratcliffe and her | 0:16:01 | 0:16:07 | |
predicament in Iran, and that might,
in the end, actually help her. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:13 | |
Interesting point, some supporters
say in the long run, this could help | 0:16:13 | 0:16:18 | |
but there are concerns from critics
that it may cause Iran to increase | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
the five year prison sentence she is
already serving. As you may know, Mr | 0:16:21 | 0:16:28 | |
Johnson appeared in Parliament to
explain himself, and also face some | 0:16:28 | 0:16:32 | |
of his critics. Kenny now give us an
undertaking that in future he will | 0:16:32 | 0:16:39 | |
concentrate on the very important
matters he has within his brief as | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
Foreign Secretary, to that end,
could he give an undertaking to | 0:16:42 | 0:16:46 | |
support the Prime Minister in her
efforts, as in relation to the | 0:16:46 | 0:16:51 | |
speech, for instance, and make sure
his own ambitions are put secondary | 0:16:51 | 0:16:57 | |
to the well-being of all my
constituents and indeed everybody | 0:16:57 | 0:17:00 | |
else in this country because that is
his job! Comments in the House of | 0:17:00 | 0:17:06 | |
Commons, back to you in Westminster,
in political terms, is Boris Johnson | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
out of the woods? I don't think he
is out of the woods yet, but the | 0:17:10 | 0:17:15 | |
reason that perhaps he has not been
put out to new pastures is quite | 0:17:15 | 0:17:19 | |
simply because Theresa May cannot
afford another high profile | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
resignation at this stage. As
already lost two cabinet ministers, | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
two other ministers investigated,
internal investigations, by the | 0:17:26 | 0:17:32 | |
civil service, over allegations. Two
members of Parliament, they have | 0:17:32 | 0:17:38 | |
been reported to the police. Over
the sexual harassment scandal. For a | 0:17:38 | 0:17:43 | |
government with such a narrow
majority, dependent on the | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
Democratic Unionists to prop it up,
she does not want another | 0:17:46 | 0:17:50 | |
high-profile departure at the
moment, there is speculation she may | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
have a more strategic reshuffle of
her cabinet after the important | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
budget towards the end of the month,
possibly at that stage, possibly | 0:17:56 | 0:18:00 | |
Boris Johnson will get moved, if he
does not, is planning to visit Iran, | 0:18:00 | 0:18:08 | |
planning to visit Nazanin
Zaghari-Ratcliffe is -- himself, and | 0:18:08 | 0:18:12 | |
his supporters would say, it is the
reigning regime looking for | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
propaganda, they are at full. Not
simply what Boris Johnson said to | 0:18:15 | 0:18:21 | |
that committee of MPs, whether or
not she was training journalists, | 0:18:21 | 0:18:25 | |
she was on holiday, but the Iranians
are looking for excuses to put her | 0:18:25 | 0:18:30 | |
in prison, rather than is this being
simply resolved, and the Boris | 0:18:30 | 0:18:35 | |
Johnson gaffe. Thank you very much. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:37 | |
In a few | 0:18:37 | 0:18:38 | |
minutes, we will talk about Yemen,
the UN is now saying they could be | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
facing the worst famine the world
has seen for decades, echoes of a | 0:18:41 | 0:18:46 | |
fresh blockade from Saudi Arabia. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:57 | |
For the second time in a week,
Theresa May has been forced to | 0:18:58 | 0:19:02 | |
replace a cabinet minister. Penny
Mordaunt has replaced Priti Patel as | 0:19:02 | 0:19:07 | |
the new International Development
Secretary. Priti Patel resigned | 0:19:07 | 0:19:11 | |
saying she had not been transparent
enough about high-level meetings | 0:19:11 | 0:19:14 | |
with Israelis politicians while on
holiday. Penny Mordaunt spoke with | 0:19:14 | 0:19:18 | |
reporters after her appointment. I
am delighted to have been appointed | 0:19:18 | 0:19:23 | |
by the Prime Minister to be the new
Secretary of State at the Department | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
for International Development,
looking forward to working with the | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
team to continue building a safer,
more secure, more prosperous world | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
for us all. Really giving the
British public pride in what we do. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:39 | |
Are you going to protect Britain? It
is my first day here, I am delighted | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
to be here, I have already met some
of the staff, we are doing terrific | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
job, building a more safe, more
secure, more prosperous world for us | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
all. I want to continue doing that,
and also give the British public | 0:19:51 | 0:19:56 | |
confidence and pride in what we are
doing. | 0:19:56 | 0:20:01 | |
Let's talk about day two of
President Trump's China visit, all | 0:20:11 | 0:20:15 | |
getting very friendly, he called
president Xi a special man, this is | 0:20:15 | 0:20:20 | |
the statement, -- state newspaper in
China, talking about the cooperative | 0:20:20 | 0:20:26 | |
spirit, probably worth reminding us,
it is not always been so cordial | 0:20:26 | 0:20:32 | |
between Donald Trump and the
Chinese. We have a lot of power with | 0:20:32 | 0:20:37 | |
China, when China does not want to
fix the problem in North Korea, we | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
say, sorry, folks, you got to fix
the problem, because we cannot | 0:20:40 | 0:20:45 | |
continue to allow China to rape our
country, and that is what they are | 0:20:45 | 0:20:49 | |
doing, it is the greatest test in
the history of the world. That was | 0:20:49 | 0:20:53 | |
last year, this is today: meeting
this morning in front of your | 0:20:53 | 0:20:59 | |
representatives and my
representative is, the was | 0:20:59 | 0:21:04 | |
excellent. -- representatives. It
was excellent. Discussing North | 0:21:04 | 0:21:08 | |
Korea. I believe there is a solution
to that, as you do, discussing trade | 0:21:08 | 0:21:14 | |
with the United States. Numbing that
the United States really has to | 0:21:14 | 0:21:19 | |
change its policies because they
have got so far behind on trade with | 0:21:19 | 0:21:26 | |
China. And frankly with many other
countries. I have great respect for | 0:21:26 | 0:21:31 | |
you for that because you are
representing China. But it is too | 0:21:31 | 0:21:36 | |
bad that past administrations
allowed it to get so far out of | 0:21:36 | 0:21:41 | |
kilter. But we will make it fair,
and it will be Mendis. My feeling | 0:21:41 | 0:21:51 | |
towards you is an incredibly warm
one, as we said. There is great | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
chemistry. I think we are going to
do tremendous things for both China | 0:21:54 | 0:21:58 | |
and for the United States and it is
a very great honour to be with you. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:05 | |
You can see the chemistry in the
eyes of president Ji Jin as he | 0:22:05 | 0:22:09 | |
listens to Donald Trump and we have
been watching that burgeoning | 0:22:09 | 0:22:14 | |
romance from Beijing. -- Xi
Extraordinarily effusively with from | 0:22:14 | 0:22:20 | |
the leader of the free world to the
leader of the world's largest | 0:22:20 | 0:22:25 | |
commonest party and authoritarian
state. What is behind it? On one | 0:22:25 | 0:22:29 | |
hand, Donald Trump comes here
seeking action on North Korea, which | 0:22:29 | 0:22:34 | |
I suppose, you could say, then
weakens his hand on demanding action | 0:22:34 | 0:22:38 | |
simultaneously on trade. Some are
suggesting that maybe this is Donald | 0:22:38 | 0:22:45 | |
Trump's softening China up, a sucker
punch for much more trouble to come | 0:22:45 | 0:22:50 | |
down the line. Suggestions of trade
action on products that China | 0:22:50 | 0:22:59 | |
perceived to be dumping on the world
markets. Once the US administration | 0:22:59 | 0:23:03 | |
has had time to do the necessary
legwork. But whatever way you look | 0:23:03 | 0:23:08 | |
at it, at the moment, despite all
this extraordinarily positive | 0:23:08 | 0:23:12 | |
language, Donald Trump has walked
away with very little, no action on | 0:23:12 | 0:23:16 | |
the real issues facing US
businesses, trying to operate here | 0:23:16 | 0:23:23 | |
in China, rampant copyright theft,
enforced technology transfer, that | 0:23:23 | 0:23:27 | |
kind of thing, he has come away
empty-handed. Critics will say | 0:23:27 | 0:23:31 | |
Donald Trump is being played here,
that this is the Chinese doing what | 0:23:31 | 0:23:35 | |
they do very well, using flattery to
stroke his ego. And, you know, the | 0:23:35 | 0:23:44 | |
results are there for everyone to
see. Lets look at these deals in | 0:23:44 | 0:23:49 | |
more detail, plenty of them have
been signed, estimated they could be | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
worth up to $215 billion. Lots of
people, throwing in caveats, before | 0:23:52 | 0:24:00 | |
we look at this figure and get
carried away. Melissa | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
in New York, curious, in the
American media, the more positive | 0:24:25 | 0:24:29 | |
spin to the way these deals have
turned out? Certainly getting a lot | 0:24:29 | 0:24:35 | |
of criticism, a lot of pushback, a
lot of questions, in terms of just | 0:24:35 | 0:24:39 | |
how much of this is in fact new
investment and how much of this is | 0:24:39 | 0:24:44 | |
actually etched in stone. A lot of
these deals are really, there are no | 0:24:44 | 0:24:50 | |
contracts involved, they are
memorandas of understanding, it | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
allows the Chinese to walk away.
What I think is interesting, if you | 0:24:54 | 0:25:01 | |
look at the comment by the Secretary
of State, Rex Tillerson, even he | 0:25:01 | 0:25:06 | |
admitted that these deals are indeed
small. Nonetheless, some might say, | 0:25:06 | 0:25:11 | |
given the rhetoric we heard from
Donald Trump, the first work to do | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
is just to improve relations between
him and his counterpart, he has | 0:25:14 | 0:25:18 | |
definitely succeeded on that front.
A language he was using certainly | 0:25:18 | 0:25:24 | |
much more positive but I would maybe
argue that some of the things he is | 0:25:24 | 0:25:29 | |
actually saying has not changed all
that much. We did hear him talking | 0:25:29 | 0:25:34 | |
about China and how they were able
to take advantage of the United | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
States. Pointing out the feelings of
the United States and past | 0:25:37 | 0:25:42 | |
administrations, rather than any
full of China. Thank you very much. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:48 | |
That is it for this half hour of
Outside Source, I will be back with | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
you in a couple of minutes time,
with more of the biggest stories | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
from around the world. | 0:25:55 | 0:26:00 | |
After what has been an exceptionally
warm start to the autumn across the | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
North United States and eastern
Canada, now looking at the first | 0:26:12 | 0:26:16 | |
significant Arctic chill in this
part of the world. You can see, | 0:26:16 | 0:26:22 | |
significant deep blues pushing down
into the Great Lakes and into the | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
north-east as we head to the end of
the week. Those blue colours | 0:26:25 | 0:26:31 | |
penetrating as far south as the
mid-Atlantic states, temperatures | 0:26:31 | 0:26:35 | |
five or 6 degrees for New York and
DC. Sub zero around the Great Lakes | 0:26:35 | 0:26:40 | |
and into the Chicago area and across
the south-east. Heavy rain moved | 0:26:40 | 0:26:43 | |
through. Looks like it'll be a cold,
frosty start into the start of the | 0:26:43 | 0:26:48 | |
week and across the north-east,
maybe a little less cold, cloudy as | 0:26:48 | 0:26:53 | |
we head into Sunday and Monday. Into
south Asia, northern India, in | 0:26:53 | 0:26:58 | |
particular parts of Pakistan, smog
problems persist because of light | 0:26:58 | 0:27:03 | |
winds, area of high pressure,
keeping the air trapped in, | 0:27:03 | 0:27:07 | |
stagnant, building up here, hot and
sunny as well, temperatures 30 to 34 | 0:27:07 | 0:27:11 | |
degrees. Officials are warning, this
is a dangerous smog likely to | 0:27:11 | 0:27:16 | |
persist for the next few days.
People advised to stay indoors if | 0:27:16 | 0:27:20 | |
they can. School closures across
Delhi for the rest of the week. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:26 | |
Across southern India and towards
Sri Lanka, monsoon rains, very heavy | 0:27:26 | 0:27:33 | |
in the past week, causing flooding
in Chennai. To the Bay of Ben | 0:27:33 | 0:27:37 | |
Gordon, disorganised area, some
signs of circulation, turning into a | 0:27:37 | 0:27:43 | |
tropical storm as we head on into
next week full of we will keep you | 0:27:43 | 0:27:47 | |
posted. Very heavy rain continues
across the south-east of Asia, | 0:27:47 | 0:27:52 | |
Thailand and into Indonesia and Mel
Asia, this area is a tropical | 0:27:52 | 0:27:56 | |
depression, bringing extremely
torrential downpours into parts of | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
the central northern Philippines.
Into the weekend, pushing into the | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
South China Sea, very heavy rain
will impact North Vietnam until next | 0:28:03 | 0:28:10 | |
week. Over into Europe, another area
of low pressure developing. The | 0:28:10 | 0:28:26 | |
thing sirocco wind up from the
Sahara, perhaps poor air quality and | 0:28:26 | 0:28:30 | |
lifted dust but thunderstorms will
rake out, and a cold air will push | 0:28:30 | 0:28:40 | |
and we will keep you updated. Close
to home, little bit quieter, a run | 0:28:40 | 0:28:45 | |
of north-westerly wind, plenty of
sunshine around. Heavy rain will | 0:28:45 | 0:28:53 | |
push into the West. Stay tuned for
the UK weather forecast. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:58 | |
Hello, I'm Ros Atkins,
welcome to Outside Source. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:15 | |
Saudi Arabia is telling its citizens
in Lebanon on to leave the country | 0:30:15 | 0:30:19 | |
immediately. Many Lebanese and now
fearing they are being dragged into | 0:30:19 | 0:30:23 | |
a wider cold war between Saudi
Arabia and's. Yemen is facing the | 0:30:23 | 0:30:28 | |
worst famine that the world has seen
for decades after a new Saudi | 0:30:28 | 0:30:35 | |
blockade was introduced. -- Iran.
Another round of talks and there | 0:30:35 | 0:30:44 | |
hasn't been much progress at so the
pressure is ratcheting up. Donald | 0:30:44 | 0:30:48 | |
Trump has been in China and talking
trade. He has been lavishing praise | 0:30:48 | 0:30:52 | |
on the Chinese president, that he
has come away from the Chinese | 0:30:52 | 0:30:56 | |
capital empty-handed. And we will
turn to this in a moment, a | 0:30:56 | 0:31:01 | |
well-known British big wave server
has broken his back in Portugal and | 0:31:01 | 0:31:06 | |
he has been talking to the BBC. And
you can get in touch on Twitter. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:18 | |
Batted surfer. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:23 | |
We have had the starkest of warnings
from the UN today. It says a new | 0:31:26 | 0:31:31 | |
Saudi blockade of Yemen could create
the worst famines in decades. This | 0:31:31 | 0:31:37 | |
blockade was brought in because
rebels in Yemen fired a rocket | 0:31:37 | 0:31:39 | |
towards the main airport in Riyadh.
The Saudi say this new blockade is | 0:31:39 | 0:31:50 | |
to stop weapons reaching rebels in
Yemen. Iran denies sending arms to | 0:31:50 | 0:31:55 | |
Yemen. We can be sure that millions
of civilians are caught up in a | 0:31:55 | 0:32:01 | |
humanitarian disaster. Our BBC
correspondent is from Yemen and talk | 0:32:01 | 0:32:09 | |
to us. We have been covering this
story for nearly three years since | 0:32:09 | 0:32:14 | |
the situation began and it gets
worse and worse. Already Yemen's | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
main port was barely able to be
functioning. Food, and aid was | 0:32:17 | 0:32:26 | |
trickling in. We had other reports
that in the south of the country | 0:32:26 | 0:32:33 | |
held by the Government was allowing
in food aid and supplies. Yemen | 0:32:33 | 0:32:38 | |
replies on imports from 94% of its
food, fuel and medicines and now | 0:32:38 | 0:32:42 | |
none of that is coming in. In a
country where 7 million people rely | 0:32:42 | 0:32:47 | |
solely on this aid, it is terrifying
what could happen in the next few | 0:32:47 | 0:32:51 | |
weeks. The UN is already saying that
the supplies in the country now will | 0:32:51 | 0:32:55 | |
run out in the next six weeks. So,
it is getting worse. The blockade | 0:32:55 | 0:33:01 | |
has only been in place for a few
days, as it orally had an impact? A | 0:33:01 | 0:33:07 | |
huge impact. Overnight, from when it
was announced, the price of fuel | 0:33:07 | 0:33:11 | |
went up 60%. And when the price of
fuel shoots up, the price of | 0:33:11 | 0:33:16 | |
everything across the country shoots
up. And in Yemen, the whole | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
population is already struggling to
pay for food, to pay for fuel and | 0:33:20 | 0:33:25 | |
clean water. It is having a
devastating effect already. Everyday | 0:33:25 | 0:33:30 | |
counts. Everyday extra that the
blockade is imposed on Yemen is | 0:33:30 | 0:33:35 | |
having catastrophic consequences on
the ground. Quite often when we talk | 0:33:35 | 0:33:39 | |
to you it is about cholera.
Presumably, I was just mentioning | 0:33:39 | 0:33:47 | |
the difficulty with bringing in
certain treatments and that will | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
also be impacted by this blockade?
And using cholera as an example, and | 0:33:50 | 0:33:54 | |
this is not the only example. The UN
is talking about measles and polio, | 0:33:54 | 0:33:58 | |
but cholera especially just two
weeks ago NGOs were announcing they | 0:33:58 | 0:34:05 | |
can contain cholera at 900,000
cases. But today the UN announced | 0:34:05 | 0:34:11 | |
that chlorine tablets that
chlorinated water to stop cholera | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
from spreading had been blocked.
This already is having an impact. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:18 | |
There are villages across Yemen who
are in desperate need of these | 0:34:18 | 0:34:22 | |
chlorine tablets to stop cholera
spreading but they have in stock and | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
are running out. Much as we
appreciate you being here, I'm sure | 0:34:25 | 0:34:30 | |
you would it prefer to be in Yemen
but you cannot getting? The border | 0:34:30 | 0:34:38 | |
is sealed with no aeroplanes able to
get in. You cannot go by car or boat | 0:34:38 | 0:34:42 | |
and there is no way of me getting
in. But really it is the people | 0:34:42 | 0:34:46 | |
inside who have no escape from this
war. There is much more information | 0:34:46 | 0:34:50 | |
on this conflict in Yemen from the
BBC news website. And on that | 0:34:50 | 0:34:56 | |
website most read story in the
moment is about one of Britain's's | 0:34:56 | 0:35:02 | |
best-known big wave surfers. He
broke his back in a huge wipe-out. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:07 | |
In Portugal, it is known for its
vast waves. Some reach over 100 feet | 0:35:07 | 0:35:13 | |
high. Unfortunately Andrew Cotton,
Kerry is lying on his hospital bed. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:17 | |
It did not go to plan this week.
This is the video that everyone has | 0:35:17 | 0:35:23 | |
been watching, let me play it for
you. When it starts you get the | 0:35:23 | 0:35:28 | |
scale of this wave, you cannot even
see the bottom and there is the top. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:32 | |
Andrew Cotton is moving across to
his left, the problem starts when | 0:35:32 | 0:35:36 | |
the lip of this wave starts crashing
down before he has time to get | 0:35:36 | 0:35:40 | |
beyond the lip of the wave and get
along the barrel. He years and years | 0:35:40 | 0:35:45 | |
in serious trouble he gets caught up
in stock what you need to watch out | 0:35:45 | 0:35:51 | |
for is Andrew Wright in the middle
of the wave picked up and turned | 0:35:51 | 0:35:55 | |
over, and as the video goes on you
see him land in the water and it is | 0:35:55 | 0:35:58 | |
that impact which broke his back.
Then he disappears from sight. If | 0:35:58 | 0:36:04 | |
you know him, he is a cheerful guy
even in difficult circumstances. He | 0:36:04 | 0:36:08 | |
has been speaking to the BBC. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:19 | |
This afternoon his boat was and
described what had happened. It was | 0:36:21 | 0:36:28 | |
a different wave, it was a lot
heavier and I faded a bit deep and | 0:36:28 | 0:36:35 | |
miss timed it. It is just one of
those things, it could have been the | 0:36:35 | 0:36:39 | |
best wave of my life or the worst
wipe-out. Unfortunately was the | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
worst wipe-out. When this latest
wipe-out comes three years after | 0:36:42 | 0:36:48 | |
Andrew was hit by another massive
wave of the coast of Portugal. He | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
said he has not been put off and
wants to be back in the water as | 0:36:51 | 0:36:55 | |
soon as possible. But with his wife
and children back in Devon letting? | 0:36:55 | 0:36:59 | |
They are obviously concerned and
that children joke about it, that I | 0:36:59 | 0:37:06 | |
have managed to make a career by
falling off and they think it is | 0:37:06 | 0:37:11 | |
hilarious. Andrew might though his
wife to a special vest he was | 0:37:11 | 0:37:16 | |
wearing over his wet suit to protect
him from impact. He hopes he will | 0:37:16 | 0:37:22 | |
never get a soaking like this again.
-- over his life. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:30 | |
If you want to see that video you
can find it online. This took about | 0:37:32 | 0:37:38 | |
Twitter, not about its new 280
character rule, but because it is | 0:37:38 | 0:37:42 | |
dropping those politics. The ones
that verify certain people's | 0:37:42 | 0:37:46 | |
identities. This has been announced
right in the middle of a controversy | 0:37:46 | 0:37:51 | |
about this man. He is Jason Kessler,
a white supremacist who was given a | 0:37:51 | 0:37:57 | |
bluetit by Twitter. You might
remember during clashes in | 0:37:57 | 0:38:01 | |
Charlottesville in the summer, this
was the guy that try to give a press | 0:38:01 | 0:38:04 | |
conference and then was chased away
by opposition protesters. Let's | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
bring in the technology
correspondence of the BBC. These two | 0:38:07 | 0:38:13 | |
stories directly connected? I think
the main concern is that bluetit | 0:38:13 | 0:38:21 | |
which has been a key feature of
Twitter for quite some time to make | 0:38:21 | 0:38:24 | |
sure that people who say they are
who they are. But because this is | 0:38:24 | 0:38:37 | |
widened out its validation scheme,
anyone can get a ticket if they | 0:38:37 | 0:38:43 | |
confirm their identity. It has been
seen to be an endorsement from | 0:38:43 | 0:38:49 | |
Twitter and confirm the views of the
people. It Twitter says this is not | 0:38:49 | 0:38:54 | |
the case and its inter-confirms that
this people is real. It is a | 0:38:54 | 0:38:58 | |
acknowledge that they can see why
people might be confused. Until they | 0:38:58 | 0:39:03 | |
figure that out they are going to
suspend giving new ones out to | 0:39:03 | 0:39:09 | |
general users. It is not a huge
change but Twitter is just taking a | 0:39:09 | 0:39:13 | |
bit more time to be careful about
who gets that on their platform and | 0:39:13 | 0:39:18 | |
who doesn't. I thought the whole
idea was that if I wanted to pretend | 0:39:18 | 0:39:24 | |
I was you and say lots of things
that you wouldn't want said in your | 0:39:24 | 0:39:28 | |
name, this would clear up whether it
was me pretending to be you actually | 0:39:28 | 0:39:32 | |
you? And that is still the
intention. It is not going away as | 0:39:32 | 0:39:37 | |
such, but they are temporarily
halting the process of giving out | 0:39:37 | 0:39:41 | |
new ones until they work out a
manner in which they can show that | 0:39:41 | 0:39:45 | |
people are authentic but it does not
look like Twitter is saying that | 0:39:45 | 0:39:48 | |
they agree with what people are
saying. It is nice and blue, it sits | 0:39:48 | 0:39:54 | |
next to people and says yes this is
good in a way. I think people would | 0:39:54 | 0:39:59 | |
change the design to say this is
authentic but we don't necessarily | 0:39:59 | 0:40:01 | |
agree with what is being said. If
you follow him on Twitter you will | 0:40:01 | 0:40:06 | |
find one by his name! If you want
more on the stories we are covering | 0:40:06 | 0:40:09 | |
you can get them on our website. To
a fascinating story that has come | 0:40:09 | 0:40:22 | |
out today about researchers who has
found that wins that are sustained | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
in the daytime he'll faster than
wins sustained at night. The full | 0:40:25 | 0:40:36 | |
study has been published online the
details how a tiny body clock in | 0:40:36 | 0:40:43 | |
every cell helps the healing
process. That is far as I am taking | 0:40:43 | 0:40:47 | |
it, I will let James to pick up the
story. It allows... One of the | 0:40:47 | 0:40:55 | |
things scientists have discovered
that the ability of skin to heal | 0:40:55 | 0:40:59 | |
wounds fluctuates in the 24-hour
pattern and it is easier to heal | 0:40:59 | 0:41:03 | |
wounds ended a time rather than not.
Our skeleton gives a structure and | 0:41:03 | 0:41:07 | |
helped us move around. Each back
individual skills as a site smacks | 0:41:07 | 0:41:15 | |
skeleton. It becomes more mobile
during the day, if you have a | 0:41:15 | 0:41:19 | |
wounds, and you need cells to flood
into it and fill that gap. Because | 0:41:19 | 0:41:24 | |
they are more mobile during the day
they are more able to seal the | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
wounds. You do not choose when you
need a emergency Caesarean section. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:35 | |
Can you take advantage of this in
the middle of the night? There are | 0:41:35 | 0:41:40 | |
some steroids that help reset the
body clock. If you rub it into your | 0:41:40 | 0:41:44 | |
skin it would change the clock
inside of those cells. The idea is | 0:41:44 | 0:41:47 | |
that maybe you can rub in some
steroid before doing the operation. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:50 | |
That still needs to be tested but is
one way you can take advantage of | 0:41:50 | 0:41:54 | |
this. We are finishing early because
next on the BBC news channel, the | 0:41:54 | 0:42:01 | |
former Prime Minister Gordon Brown
has been warning that the UK may hit | 0:42:01 | 0:42:04 | |
a crisis point by next summer as
Brexit edges closer. He is also | 0:42:04 | 0:42:08 | |
saying that he is now in favour of a
second referendum on the issue. He | 0:42:08 | 0:42:12 | |
is in and extended escutcheon with
the BBC political editor. Are | 0:42:12 | 0:42:19 | |
writing a book about tax havens and
how in 2009 we try to bring all | 0:42:19 | 0:42:24 | |
these tax havens into line, to name
and shame, to say they are | 0:42:24 | 0:42:29 | |
noncompliant and amount immediate
action. It has been far too slow, | 0:42:29 | 0:42:32 | |
there are tax havens around the need
to be brought in. You need | 0:42:32 | 0:42:38 | |
sanctions, you say he will be
outside the international community | 0:42:38 | 0:42:40 | |
if you don't act. They could be
arrest warrants for people to are | 0:42:40 | 0:42:45 | |
the institutions and the Government
is taking action. You must clamp | 0:42:45 | 0:42:49 | |
down on this. We have had
revelations of the number and scale | 0:42:49 | 0:42:53 | |
of abuse. I think it is $7 trillion
that is now outside the scope of tax | 0:42:53 | 0:42:59 | |
authorities. That means that if we
could take action in Britain today, | 0:42:59 | 0:43:03 | |
Philip Hammond in his budget could
do two things that need to be done. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:08 | |
He can reverse the Universal Credit
cuts and have justice for people on | 0:43:08 | 0:43:11 | |
benefits. He could also refinance
the NHS which needs 20 billion by 20 | 0:43:11 | 0:43:16 | |
22. There is enough money locked
away in tax havens to be brought | 0:43:16 | 0:43:20 | |
back to this country and it is time
we got the international community | 0:43:20 | 0:43:24 | |
working together to achieve it. We
had it in 2009, the unity then | 0:43:24 | 0:43:29 | |
dissipated. America has not played
ball be honest. It is time that some | 0:43:29 | 0:43:33 | |
countries like Britain put pressure
on other international community | 0:43:33 | 0:43:36 | |
members to take action now. This is
the moment of opportunity. Many | 0:43:36 | 0:43:40 | |
people would say that a lot of the
scheme is now an operation, a lot of | 0:43:40 | 0:43:45 | |
them began in the era when you were
one of the most powerful economic | 0:43:45 | 0:43:49 | |
ministers in the world. You were the
Chancellor for many years during a | 0:43:49 | 0:43:54 | |
period when the sort of behaviour
prospered. I did 11 budgets from | 0:43:54 | 0:43:59 | |
1997, and everyone we had action
against tax abuses like this and we | 0:43:59 | 0:44:04 | |
were trying to close loopholes. But
you have to have cooperation from | 0:44:04 | 0:44:08 | |
other countries. You cannot close
down a tax haven in some sort of | 0:44:08 | 0:44:12 | |
far-away place unless you have
cooperation from all the other | 0:44:12 | 0:44:16 | |
countries. Our first battle was with
Europe. Luxembourg and Austria were | 0:44:16 | 0:44:22 | |
tax havens and we had to bring them
into line. Once we had done that | 0:44:22 | 0:44:25 | |
which I was part of, we had to get
America and others on board. Now | 0:44:25 | 0:44:33 | |
with America demanding tax
information from other countries but | 0:44:33 | 0:44:35 | |
not giving it itself. That
reciprocity has to happen, otherwise | 0:44:35 | 0:44:40 | |
there is a dent in the armoury we
have to tackle tax. It was the | 0:44:40 | 0:44:45 | |
biggest issue at the G20 in 2009.
Residents were threatening to walk | 0:44:45 | 0:44:48 | |
out. The Chinese Government would
never allow account to be named as a | 0:44:48 | 0:44:54 | |
tax haven and noncompliant. We got
an agreement then and which it is | 0:44:54 | 0:44:58 | |
possible to do it now. I would spend
a lot of time now if people asked me | 0:44:58 | 0:45:02 | |
to try and bring countries together
so we could actually enforce the | 0:45:02 | 0:45:05 | |
agreements we have made. Instead of
signing documents and never | 0:45:05 | 0:45:11 | |
implementing them we actually got
action. The benefit of money for the | 0:45:11 | 0:45:14 | |
NHS or public services... Any
fairness. People in Britain are | 0:45:14 | 0:45:19 | |
paying taxes and then may find other
people who are richer than they are | 0:45:19 | 0:45:23 | |
not paying taxes at all and this is
a problem not of individuals, but a | 0:45:23 | 0:45:28 | |
problem of institutions, accountants
and governments who felt to take | 0:45:28 | 0:45:31 | |
action. Are you suggesting yourself
as some international tax is our? | 0:45:31 | 0:45:40 | |
I'm watching this position today I
believe there will be a million | 0:45:40 | 0:45:44 | |
signature within hours. I believe
the Argentinian presidency should | 0:45:44 | 0:45:47 | |
take this up. I don't think that
once we have seen this evidence, | 0:45:47 | 0:45:50 | |
because right to the top in many
countries. I think one third of | 0:45:50 | 0:45:55 | |
leaders were named in the Panama
Papers. We did not see this evidence | 0:45:55 | 0:45:58 | |
when I was in Government. You can't
beat this underdressed. I come back | 0:45:58 | 0:46:03 | |
to the fact that it is money for the
NHS and to deal with Universal | 0:46:03 | 0:46:07 | |
Credit. It is money to deal with the
problems of housing in our country. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:11 | |
It is being denied to is because a
few people are being allowed through | 0:46:11 | 0:46:15 | |
institutional devices and
accountants to put their money | 0:46:15 | 0:46:17 | |
somewhere Russ and it is not fair.
You talk of international | 0:46:17 | 0:46:21 | |
cooperation and when you were
Chancellor you crack down on | 0:46:21 | 0:46:26 | |
Luxembourg and Belgium. You were
very vocal joined the referendum | 0:46:26 | 0:46:34 | |
campaign. I knew convinced that
Brexit will actually happen? I think | 0:46:34 | 0:46:38 | |
what will happen is that we will
come to a crisis point next summer. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:41 | |
I can't tell you exactly how it will
work itself out but this is what | 0:46:41 | 0:46:45 | |
will happen. By next summer, the
public will have made up their mind | 0:46:45 | 0:46:50 | |
that the four red line is that the
Government had set in place are not | 0:46:50 | 0:46:54 | |
going to be achieved. We will not
have proper control the borders. We | 0:46:54 | 0:46:58 | |
will not have proper control of our
money. We are still paying loads of | 0:46:58 | 0:47:02 | |
money to the EU. We will not have
proper control of our courts and law | 0:47:02 | 0:47:06 | |
because we will still be governed in
many ways by the ECJ and we won't | 0:47:06 | 0:47:10 | |
have proper control of trade because
we won't have individual trade | 0:47:10 | 0:47:14 | |
agreements. All the propositions
that were made by the Leave camp, | 0:47:14 | 0:47:19 | |
including remember that 350 million
weeks of the NHS, they are not being | 0:47:19 | 0:47:23 | |
achieved. Next summer, we have to
assess the position. In my view you | 0:47:23 | 0:47:27 | |
cannot go back to the electorate and
say you were wrong. You can't do | 0:47:27 | 0:47:31 | |
that. People have made the decision
and it is right to see that respect. | 0:47:31 | 0:47:35 | |
In a democracy, once a decision has
been made, and it was made in | 0:47:35 | 0:47:39 | |
Scotland, you have to respect it in
each area it is made. But what you | 0:47:39 | 0:47:43 | |
can say, is that is their A-game
changer? Was there something we | 0:47:43 | 0:47:46 | |
didn't get right the last time that
would persuade millions of Leave | 0:47:46 | 0:47:51 | |
voters to think it is worth going
for Remain? And that game changer | 0:47:51 | 0:47:55 | |
must have the support of the rest of
Europe because we can get it through | 0:47:55 | 0:47:59 | |
otherwise. I would like to see a
situation at the end of negotiations | 0:47:59 | 0:48:02 | |
that says that is what you get when
you leave. But is there something | 0:48:02 | 0:48:06 | |
else that is a game changer that you
get if you are prepared to stay? You | 0:48:06 | 0:48:09 | |
cannot do this until next summer and
not without a great deal of work. | 0:48:09 | 0:48:13 | |
You would have to say selling about
migration, about the courts, about | 0:48:13 | 0:48:17 | |
money. But I think that is the point
that the nation should be given new | 0:48:17 | 0:48:22 | |
information about what is possible.
I'm not advocating a referendum at | 0:48:22 | 0:48:25 | |
this stage. I am not advocating a
change of position in that respect. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:31 | |
What I am saying is, let us look at
the facts next summer when we know | 0:48:31 | 0:48:36 | |
the promises that were made by the
Leave campaign will not have been | 0:48:36 | 0:48:40 | |
achieved. But you are suggesting
there is another opportunity? They | 0:48:40 | 0:48:45 | |
can only be done if there is new
evidence and new information that we | 0:48:45 | 0:48:49 | |
can bring to bear to the public. For
example, in Switzerland at the | 0:48:49 | 0:48:53 | |
moment they have made an agreement
with the EU, under Freedom of | 0:48:53 | 0:48:59 | |
movement. Jobs are registered at job
centres with local people. There is | 0:48:59 | 0:49:05 | |
an agreement that people who don't
get a job in Switzerland, they | 0:49:05 | 0:49:07 | |
cannot stay forever as EU citizens.
Belgium have been engaged in new | 0:49:07 | 0:49:13 | |
agreement about freedom of movement.
France is talking about as they | 0:49:13 | 0:49:18 | |
call, social dumping of workers.
There is a lot that is happening the | 0:49:18 | 0:49:23 | |
EU that... The problem is that David
Cameron came back with a really | 0:49:23 | 0:49:27 | |
negotiation and nobody remembers a
thing about it. Mrs Thatcher, to her | 0:49:27 | 0:49:32 | |
credit, went back to Brussels and
everybody knew she had won a budget | 0:49:32 | 0:49:36 | |
addition and she got extra money.
Even Harold Wilson in 1975 came back | 0:49:36 | 0:49:41 | |
and had someone to say about New
Zealand butter and everything else. | 0:49:41 | 0:49:45 | |
We have nothing to say in the
referendum that was of benefit to | 0:49:45 | 0:49:49 | |
renegotiation and nobody remembers a
word of it. There are things in | 0:49:49 | 0:49:52 | |
changing in Europe to look at. To be
clear, you are suggesting that the | 0:49:52 | 0:49:56 | |
Labour Party should be holding out
the possibility of people revisiting | 0:49:56 | 0:50:03 | |
the decision if things change in the
EU. I do think at this point you | 0:50:03 | 0:50:07 | |
should have another referendum. But
that possibility should be on the | 0:50:07 | 0:50:11 | |
table? What I think you should be
saying is, is then you evidence or a | 0:50:11 | 0:50:16 | |
game changer or something that is
different from what we have learned | 0:50:16 | 0:50:19 | |
about what is happening in Europe,
all what is happening in Britain | 0:50:19 | 0:50:22 | |
that we have to look at. And the
right time to assess that is when we | 0:50:22 | 0:50:26 | |
have on the table what we think will
be an inadequate achievement that | 0:50:26 | 0:50:30 | |
bridges the red lines and does not
give the Leave campaign the | 0:50:30 | 0:50:33 | |
satisfaction that it had of all
these games from leaving Europe. Do | 0:50:33 | 0:50:37 | |
you think the Labour Party should
argue that now? -- gains. Let me put | 0:50:37 | 0:50:45 | |
it the other way. I think you will
find the next summer that Kier | 0:50:45 | 0:50:50 | |
Starmer and Jeremy Corbyn are
exactly on the same page with what I | 0:50:50 | 0:50:53 | |
am saying. If the agreement is
unsatisfactory and if there is, this | 0:50:53 | 0:50:58 | |
is the challenge of people like me
and others, that digitally people in | 0:50:58 | 0:51:02 | |
the House of Commons. If they can
show that there is a game changing | 0:51:02 | 0:51:05 | |
moment where you can say to the
Leave voters this is what you were | 0:51:05 | 0:51:09 | |
told then, and it was actually the
politics of fear them to be honest. | 0:51:09 | 0:51:14 | |
This is the positive thing we could
get out of Europe now, there may be | 0:51:14 | 0:51:18 | |
scope for a reassessment. I would
not put it higher than that and say | 0:51:18 | 0:51:23 | |
it is in every double of another
referendum and tell people... That | 0:51:23 | 0:51:27 | |
they were wrong and you were right.
Some sort of false consciousness. | 0:51:27 | 0:51:31 | |
People voted for very real reasons.
They were dissatisfied with global | 0:51:31 | 0:51:35 | |
institutions. I think that has to be
respected. But there are things that | 0:51:35 | 0:51:39 | |
are changing and changing within
Europe and could change within | 0:51:39 | 0:51:42 | |
Britain that could make a
reassessment possible. But to many | 0:51:42 | 0:51:46 | |
Leave voters, does that not still
sound that you're sticking your | 0:51:46 | 0:51:52 | |
things in your ears? I don't think
so. When I look at the evidence, I | 0:51:52 | 0:51:55 | |
look at people who were worried
about migration. But there were | 0:51:55 | 0:51:58 | |
worried about a something for
nothing culture. They felt people | 0:51:58 | 0:52:02 | |
came to the country, when using the
services of this country and not | 0:52:02 | 0:52:05 | |
giving enough in return. It was not
that they were against people | 0:52:05 | 0:52:09 | |
filling jobs that other people
didn't want to fill. It felt like | 0:52:09 | 0:52:13 | |
they were getting something for
nothing. He said the referendum use | 0:52:13 | 0:52:17 | |
the politics of fear. You would a
Prime Minister to first used the | 0:52:17 | 0:52:20 | |
phrase British jobs of British
workers. But I used it in the | 0:52:20 | 0:52:24 | |
context of the training British
workers for the challenge of | 0:52:24 | 0:52:27 | |
globalisation. If you look at the
context in which I spoke, I was | 0:52:27 | 0:52:31 | |
talking about how we had to retrain
British people for the jobs | 0:52:31 | 0:52:35 | |
available. When people complained
that others were taking the jobs. I | 0:52:35 | 0:52:39 | |
said let's retrain British people.
That is a different thing. I went to | 0:52:39 | 0:52:43 | |
David Cameron before the referendum
and said, set up the fund for the | 0:52:43 | 0:52:49 | |
impact that the challenges that
unions these are facing as a result | 0:52:49 | 0:52:52 | |
of high migration. And show we are
taking action to help those people | 0:52:52 | 0:52:57 | |
who are worried about their jobs or
worried that people are getting | 0:52:57 | 0:53:00 | |
something for nothing. We did not do
that. There was no initiatives such | 0:53:00 | 0:53:05 | |
as an immigration action fund. That
should have been done and a lot of | 0:53:05 | 0:53:09 | |
people argued later that that was a
big mistake. There are things that | 0:53:09 | 0:53:12 | |
can be done. Let's be realistic. The
people had voted. The result has to | 0:53:12 | 0:53:18 | |
be accepted. It is only if there is
a game changer, something new, that | 0:53:18 | 0:53:23 | |
I then think you could go to the
people and say look, do you want to | 0:53:23 | 0:53:26 | |
reassess that? I'm not even saying
at this stage it could have a | 0:53:26 | 0:53:29 | |
referendum. You say that on the EU
Kier Starmer and Jeremy Corbyn will | 0:53:29 | 0:53:34 | |
come around to your way of thinking.
Not just as a former leader, but as | 0:53:34 | 0:53:39 | |
a student of Labour Party history,
you look at the Labour Party now and | 0:53:39 | 0:53:42 | |
think they are ready for Government?
Jeremy Corbyn is a nominal. We have | 0:53:42 | 0:53:47 | |
to accept that, he disagreed with me
on many issues. He probably voted | 0:53:47 | 0:53:55 | |
against me 500 times! I respect the
fact that he is a phenomenal. He is | 0:53:55 | 0:53:59 | |
expressing peoples anger about
Universal Credit about what happened | 0:53:59 | 0:54:03 | |
at Grenfell Tower, about affordable
housing, about inequality in our | 0:54:03 | 0:54:08 | |
country, about tuition fees. He is
articulating that anger. I know from | 0:54:08 | 0:54:12 | |
my experience, and Tony Blair will
tell you as well, you go back to | 0:54:12 | 0:54:16 | |
first principles in opposition and
look at whether you have your | 0:54:16 | 0:54:19 | |
principles right. Then you have a
plan about a programme in | 0:54:19 | 0:54:23 | |
Government. Then you have to go out
and win public support. Jeremy | 0:54:23 | 0:54:28 | |
Corbyn has got potentially, five
years into the general election. He | 0:54:28 | 0:54:32 | |
builds from his principles into a
plan and into a popular programme | 0:54:32 | 0:54:36 | |
that he then wins public support.
That is his challenge. To be honest, | 0:54:36 | 0:54:41 | |
I'm thinking myself more about what
happens in the long-term future. I | 0:54:41 | 0:54:45 | |
have no special insight into what is
happening today in Westminster. But | 0:54:45 | 0:54:49 | |
in the long-term it is clear to me
that the old neoliberal consensus, | 0:54:49 | 0:54:54 | |
which was basically inequality is
good for growth, you never have | 0:54:54 | 0:54:58 | |
deficit financing because that is
building up unacceptable debt, that | 0:54:58 | 0:55:01 | |
is all gone. It is completely
discredited. It took ten years from | 0:55:01 | 0:55:04 | |
the financial recession for it to be
discredited. I could not win the | 0:55:04 | 0:55:10 | |
argument for stimulus for the
economy in 2010. People were worried | 0:55:10 | 0:55:13 | |
about debt and deficits and thought
it was the equivalent of incest. I | 0:55:13 | 0:55:17 | |
could not win the argument with the
people and I regret that because we | 0:55:17 | 0:55:21 | |
then had seven years of wasted
austerities and this is a lost game. | 0:55:21 | 0:55:25 | |
People have now come both
internationally and in Britain to | 0:55:25 | 0:55:27 | |
the view that the right form of
economic policy is when you combine | 0:55:27 | 0:55:32 | |
social justice, economic efficiency
and environmental sustainability and | 0:55:32 | 0:55:36 | |
there is a new wave of support for
collective action in this country. | 0:55:36 | 0:55:47 |