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�6.08 an hour. The law says that's the minimum wage adults should be

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earning. We go undercover to expose the companies who're flouting the

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rules. How much mostly did you earn on a

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week to week basis? Did you read the advert? Yeah, it said, was it

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250? It's performance-based. That's meaningless. It's performance-based.

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What does that mean? We're out with the inspectors who're clamping down

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on rogue employers. How much did you get paid for last week? Don't

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know. And hearing from young people who're being asked to work for

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nothing. I was managing a team of seven people and they were all

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unpaid as well. We reveal the true facts about the army of workers for

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We're all feeling the squeeze in austerity Britain. It's everywhere

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you look, from the pawnbrokers and discount stores, to men waiting

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each morning for casual work. More than two and a half million people

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are out of work. And nearly two thirds of people with a job have

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had their pay frozen or cut this year. But wages have actually gone

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For the wealthy, �6.08 won't even park the car for very long but

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that's the new hourly rate for the NMW. And for many workers at the

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bottom end of the pay scale, it can make all the difference in these

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tough economic times. But we've discovered that many British

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workers are being paid less than this - often much less. And some

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I'm off in search of the worst paid job in Britain. First stop, my home

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town of Glasgow. And a familiar sight we all dread. They're known

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as chuggers. Cold-calling door-to- door to get us to sign up for

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charity donations. It's a thankless job. And for some of the young

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people who do it, it's also very poorly paid. As an unemployed

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graduate, desperate for work, Matthew Parkes took a job like this

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last year. He didn't get minimum wage. He earned less than half that

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- just �2.85 an hour. You'd be working from about quarter past ten

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every morning until gone nine o'clock, sometimes gone ten o'clock

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at night, and then obviously travel on top of that. By the time you get

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home you're absolutely exhausted. I home you're absolutely exhausted. I

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worked about seventy hours in a worked about seventy hours in a

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week and earned around about �200. With youth unemployment at a record

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high, Matthew couldn't be too picky about work. But his company led him

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to believe he was a graduate trainee. Smiths Marketing

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Associates is still recruiting across the UK, so what else are

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they promising? We sent another young graduate, James Craig,

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undercover to find out. Fitted with a hidden camera, James went for a

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job interview at Smiths' Luton I'm here for an interview with

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Smiths Marketing. James doesn't get a chance to say very much at

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interview. Instead he's treated to a high-speed sales pitch. Nearly

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An impressive list of clients - if you can keep up. But all of them

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except the Red Cross told us they'd never worked with Smiths. How much

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then can a trainee like James �10,000 a week? That would be half

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a million a year! The interviewer gets up to go having barely paused

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for breath. But he hasn't told James what he'll earn yet. So James

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After twelve minutes of high-octane delivery, that was all he had to

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say about pay. So James and I took the secret footage to show to top

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employment barrister Simon Cheetham. That's meaningless. It's

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performance-based. What does that mean? It may mean that it's

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commission-only but of course I'm not sure when you'd find that out.

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But the fact that he's so reluctant to tell you how much you're going

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to earn, I'd have thought would make every warning sign flash.

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Exactly, yeah and the advert specified �250 a week figure that

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when I tried to highlight there he just seemed to brush over it there

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without any allusion to it whatsoever. Are Smiths young

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recruits simply being exploited then? Another researcher Nana

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Wilson got a job with the Glasgow team. He was told his earnings

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would be based entirely on sales. On his first day, Nana's job was to

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persuade people to sign up for a direct debit to the British Red

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Cross. After work, he kept a video diary. It's now almost midnight and

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I've been working since 10 o'clock. I got there at 10:15, I'm tired,

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I've made no money whatsoever today, I've knocked on doors, spoken to

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people, I've had no hits. Bedtime. I've got to go and sell things

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tomorrow. In fact, Nana didn't make a single sale in three days. So no

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pay for him. But what about his more experienced colleagues? One of

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the other team leaders was really quite chuffed and proud of the fact

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that he did 81 hours and he only got �350 out of that. That's just

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over �4 an hour - still well below minimum wage. So are Smiths exempt

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from the law because they tell workers it's commission only?

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would be far too easy a way to get round paying the national minimum

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wage, and so you would look at the pay period, for example, the month

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over which the pay is calculated, and that person would be entitled

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to the national minimum wage for that period. So even if they're

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told it's commssion only, they should get a national minimum wage?

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Absolutely, that's the law. then do Smiths get away with paying

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some workers so little? Well, read the small print in their job ads.

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"You will be working on a self- employed basis so the number of

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successful sales you make will determine your weekly earnings".

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Under the law, employees are entitled to minimum wage but the

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self-employed are not. Are the hard-working young people at Smiths

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really self-employed, though? Let's see if James can find out. He's

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been called back for a second interview in Luton that actually

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turns into a day's unpaid work experience. He's asked to hit the

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streets with other new recruits. For the first half hour, you're

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going to be with me, so I'll pitch to two doors and then you'll pitch

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to one and when you get more comfortable just let me know and

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I'll let you go on your own. team leader seems pretty clear

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about where and when she expects James to work for Smiths. 12:30

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till 2pm is lunch, travel to get to our location and 2 till 8:30 is

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work, so basically what we're doing now, knocking on people's doors.

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Saturdays, obviously we do have a life. It's 9:30 till 5. Six days a

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week, full time, doesn't sound very self-employed. The more that the

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employer controls what the person does, tells him what to do, what

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hours they do, requires them and only them to do it, the more likely

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that person must be an employee. asked Smiths by letter why they're

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paying less than minimum wage. They didn't even respond. The British

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Red Cross told us: So how many companies are using the self-

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employed loophole to get round paying minimum wage? The TUC says

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paying minimum wage? The TUC says the problem is widespread. We've

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seen problems, for example, in the hairdressing sector, we've seen

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problems with couriers who're told that they're self-employed. We've

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seen problems with car valets, for example, who have to be at work at

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a certain time, who're told when to take their lunch break but are

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still told that they're self- employed so they're only able to

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earn a few pounds an hour as opposed to the minimum wage rate

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that they're legally entitled to. In the last year alone, for example,

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ten thousand hairdressers have become self-employed having

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previously been on a salon payroll. Mark Coray says it's the only way

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some businesses can survive. If the salon makes somebody self employed,

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the salon actually gets out of paying holidays, gets out of paying

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PAYE and any sick pay. So it's almost like a legal way of avoiding

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the high overheads that come with the minimum wage. So it's a way

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round it, really? Yes, you could say that. Mark says the minimum

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wage has forced him to lay off junior staff in his own salon.

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stylists, when they're having their colour rinsed off, they're having

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their client's hair shampooed, could be doing it themselves, so

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why would I want that extra higher expense? So you're employing fewer

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juniors directly as a result of national minimum wage? Definitely.

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Some say it's no surprise that small businesses are trying to find

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ways to beat the law. Why would you pay �6.08 for something that's only

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worth �5 an hour to your business? You're gonna try and find all sorts

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of ways round the system. My ideal would be to get rid of it. If you

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can't get rid of it, at least have different rates in different

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regions of the country, and certainly don't keep putting it up.

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Continuing to increase this is basically pricing out people from

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the labour market. The government says it's committed to the minimum

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wage. And the unions would fight any attempt to scrap it.

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evidence is very clear. Over the decades since the minimum wage has

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been introduced, there has simply not been a reduction in jobs, as a

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result of the minimum wage. In fact, poorer wages for the lowest paid

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workers, could result in even less money in people's pockets, less

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spending in the economy and fewer jobs being created. One group

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particularly vulnerable to exploitation is migrant workers.

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More than 1 in 10 are paid below minimum wage. Rural Lincolnshire,

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and we're on the road with the inspectors whose job it is to make

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sure workers get what they're entitled to. They've heard a group

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of foreign workers bussed in from Derby are picking vegetables in

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this field. We're going to talk to the workers to find out who they

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work for, what they're doing and The men are legally allowed to work

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here and should be paid minimum wage. But finding out if they are

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is easier said than done. Hello, do you speak English? A little bit.

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you know how much you're being paid? �2.75. Is that cash payment?

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Cash payment, yes? And do you get that in an envelope with a pay

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slip? Yes. Payslip. Turns out the men aren't paid by the hour.

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They're paid for each box of spring onions they harvest. So the

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inspector has a tough job working out exactly how much they're

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earning an hour. These workers are all being paid by piece rate which

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means they get paid �2.60 per box that they fill up of the onions.

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Even though they're on piece rate they still need to be paid the

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national minimum wage. The workers don't have any paperwork on them

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and getting the answers the inspector needs is proving tricky.

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And do you know the name of the agency? No. You don't know? That's

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alright. And does he bring the money here? No, in Derby. No, you

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get your money in Derby. How much did you get paid for last week?

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There have only been seven criminal prosecutions brought against

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employers for paying less than minimum wage sves since it was

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introduced over a decade ago. is a minority of employers who are

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keen to try and exploit the work force and take advantage of the

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fact the national minimum wage is rarely enforced through criminal

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sanction, so one would think it only be a fear of prosecution that

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would make them take it seriously. Last year alone, the taxman found

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that 23,000 people were owed nearly �4 million because they had been

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paid less than minimum wage. Exploited workers can take rogue

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employers to an employment tribunal. But getting what is owed isn't easy,

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as these two men have found. They didn't get minimum wage when they

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were employed at security guards in Glasgow, they were on just �3.50

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and hour. Jamal Dawsod wasn't paid at all for his final two months of

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work. How much were you owed? �5,000. That is a lot of money. You

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haven't seen a penny of it? didn't get a penny. He won an

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employment tribunal but to get what he is owed the company, First

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Response has to be tracked down. We found the registers office here. A

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small mailbox rented by the week in Glasgow. The order for payment

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can't be served by Jamal. He has to pay a Sheriff's officer to do that.

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After a long chat with staff inside, he emerges with bad news. First

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Response Security no longer maintain the rental of the box at

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the shop. Not withstanding the fact it has not been rented by the spon

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dents, it is still a registered office of the company. So where

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does that leave Jamal in terms of getting his money back? It means

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this document which is a charge for payment can't be served. Are you

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disappointed? Yes. Further attempts by us to contact First Response

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failed. Jamal has still not been paid his money. When Parliament

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passed the minimum wage legislation it was meant to protect all workers.

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But the effect of Government spending cuts has been to drive

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down wages for the two million people who work in the UK care

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industry. We have discovered that an increasing number are being paid

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below the minimum wage and that is affecting the whole sector. Take

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this woman. She doesn't want to be identified for fear of losing her

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present job. Her hourly rate was �6.16 and hour when she used to

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care 22 hours a day for someone with Alzheimer's. She was left with

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�3.36 an hour because se was paid nothing for the sleep over part of

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the shift. I wasn't able to get a good nights rest because I had

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broken sleep. I would be woken up by the lieant client at night and

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it was continuous. You work a whole week at a time and for less than

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the minimum wage. I think those people over there making policies

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and thing, they need to look at the real facts and the way life really

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is for carers in this country. Glasgow though, these workers are

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fighting back. With some companies paying below minimum wage,

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reputable care providers like their employers are having to cut wages

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to compete. This fight is not over. It won't be over until we sit down

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in that office and they agree to change things. These people aren't

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braving the rain to demonstrate against some fly-by-night private

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company that is out to make a fast buck. Quarriers is a charity with

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over 100 years expense of providing high quality social care, and its

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pay and conditions have been among the best in the sector. But the

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management say they have to reduce patience as cash strapped councils

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now expect them to deliver care contracts for less. Some of the

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charity's most experienced employees stand to lose the largest

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amount. A quarter of my wage or a fifth which works out between

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�4,000-�5,000 a year. I am worried about this. That is a lot of money

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for anybody. It is mortgage money. The charity's chief executive says

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it is simply a case of adapt or die. Are you taking a 20% pay cut?

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not. Why not? Bah that wouldn't solve the problem. I could take a

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100 percent pay cut and it wouldn't solve the problem. We are under

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pressure because we know that Local Authorities and Health Trusts are

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in a position where they are having to reduce the amount of money that

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is available for contracts. So they want us to do the same for less.

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And the reality of care workers pay is far worse than official figures

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suggest. We have been given exclusive access to ub

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unaccomplished research which shows they wildly underestimate the

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number of care workers earning less than minimum wage. Researchers say

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the true figure is at least five times higher. What we found, using

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the most recent data, on England, that round 9% of the direct care

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work force in England is paid under the national minimum wage. What is

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your estimate for the whole of the UK? If we assume the same patterns

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are across the UK, we then are talking about a range of 150-

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200,000 care workers. Up to 200,000 in the care sector are being short

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changed, there is a whole new generation that is being asked to

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work for nothing at all. Young graduates. With large debts and

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graduate unemployment at a 15 year high, pressure to get a job is

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intense. And some employers are exploiting their desperation by

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offering internships instead of paid work. A survey last month

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found that 43% of graduate internships are unpaid. One of the

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worst offenders is the media. After leaving university, Keri Hudson

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wanted to break into journalism. She took an unpaid internship to

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get work experience on a listings website called MyVillage. As soon

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as I started it was made clear it was unpaid, but I was getting

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rewarded with a portfolio of work and that it wouldn't warrant paying

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the stuff I was doing. Very quickly her unpaid work experience started

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to look suspiciously like a full- time job. In the second week of me

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working there, my credit on the website changed to senior editor. I

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was managing a team of seven people, and they were all unpaid as well.

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If they obliged to carry out any work, so you get the intern

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signature at a desk and realises the person next to them is being

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paid do the same. The intern then is probably going to be a worker,

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if they ra worker they are entitled to the national minimum wage. That

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is what Keri thought. Earlier this year she successfully claimed here

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at an employment tribunal she should have been paid minimum wage.

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She was awarded more than �1,000. The company that owns MyVillage

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Campaigners say the use of internships is spreading into all

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sorts of jobs, from catering to even receptionists. But it is the

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creative industries like fashion, that are most notorious for

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expecting interns to work for free, for months at a time. Fear of

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harming their job prospects prevents most for complaining. That

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is why this woman doesn't want identifying. She interned for

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Stella McCartney. It was a workplacement of three months of

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more working from nine to six as a minimum. You were working normal

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office hours but sometimes more every day of the week? Yes, we got

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travel into work and out of work. And �5 lunch vouchers every day.

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There was just so much responsibility on interns to keep

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the office going. More so than they needed to and people weren't given

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much training. But is the work of an intern worth the full minimum

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wage? Supposing somebody is offering a bit of work experience,

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maybe it is for six month, maybe for one week. Are you doing the

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intern a favour or are they doing you a favour? You can't pay

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anything between 0 and �6.08. This causes real problems for

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internships. It is an all-or- nothing situation. At the end of

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the day you did get some valuable work experience. Some people might

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say it is fair enough that you work for nothing. We did have some

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really great opportunities that we got to do like every so often you

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get to do some great stuff. But most of the time, it was just

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ridiculous, like paperwork and stressful hours. So things that

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weren't really helping us as interns. Who are there to learn.

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With so many young people out of work, she had no real bargaining

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power. Did anyone think to ask to be paid? No it is not an option. If

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you asked, if you complain or if you ask to be paid they will be

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like, leave, because there are so many other people who want that

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that they don't need you there there are more people who will do

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the work for free. Stella With unpaid internships in

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industries like fashion so rife, the Government accomplished new

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guidelines that clarified when internships should be paid. But

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some fear that is not enough. welcome the guidance that has been

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accomplished. We also think information on its own is not

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enough, what we need is targeted enforcements in sectors where we

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know from evidence that internships are rife, and we would like to see

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the Government's minimum wage enforcement teams taking that

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forward as a priority. What are the chances of the Government pushing

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for more prosecutions, when MPs themselves stand accused of ex

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ploilploiting interns. The Deputy Prime Minister has said no

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Westminster intern should be unpaid. But what is the reality? A quick

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ring round of MPs offices, finds many still using interns. It is

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across the political spectrum and more often than not they get little

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more than expenses. I want to find out if you are recruiting any

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interns at the moment. I think we do it on a long-term basis.

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internships going? Yes, the best thing tho is send a CV. Just

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experiences? A confidential trade union survey offered a fuller

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fuller concern. One said why should only rich people from London be

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able to gain experience in Parliament? Another said. We have

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to rely on the help of unpaid interns. It is unfair. So is this

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the end of the road in my search for the worst paid job in Britain?

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Not quite. Meet Norse. He was an intern for an -- Ciaran Norris. He

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didn't get minimum wage. He didn't get any salary. In fact he paid

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�1200 to work. It was a placement arranged as part of his degree

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course. So you paid them to work at Westminster? Yes, I think that is

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what most people do. You want this priceless experience. That is how

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they sell it. It is, but it isn't because you end up paying a lot to

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do it. He paid half course fees to Hull university but he says he was

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a full-time reSERPS at Westminster. It was a job of work. You did a lot

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of the things researchers do you respond to constituents. You are

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responsible for producing briefs at short notice. Hull university says

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he was aware of the financial arrangements before he took up the

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Ciaran accepts it was valuable experience but says he hadn't

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anticipated how much debt it would leave him in and he expected better

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from MPs. This is a place that is supposed to be setting the standard.

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We have seen examples of how they have been doing the opposite. I

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think it is fairly cheap to say we want people to come in and have

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these opportunities but at the same time we don't b want, we want them

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to indebt themselves. I don't think that is fair. It is hard times for

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most of us, as pay and living standards are squeezed ever tighter.

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