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�6.08 an hour. The law says that's the minimum wage adults should be | :00:33. | :00:37. | |
earning. We go undercover to expose the companies who're flouting the | :00:37. | :00:42. | |
rules. How much mostly did you earn on a | :00:42. | :00:47. | |
week to week basis? Did you read the advert? Yeah, it said, was it | :00:47. | :00:50. | |
250? It's performance-based. That's meaningless. It's performance-based. | :00:50. | :00:53. | |
What does that mean? We're out with the inspectors who're clamping down | :00:53. | :00:56. | |
on rogue employers. How much did you get paid for last week? Don't | :00:56. | :00:59. | |
know. And hearing from young people who're being asked to work for | :00:59. | :01:03. | |
nothing. I was managing a team of seven people and they were all | :01:03. | :01:06. | |
unpaid as well. We reveal the true facts about the army of workers for | :01:06. | :01:16. | |
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We're all feeling the squeeze in austerity Britain. It's everywhere | :01:36. | :01:39. | |
you look, from the pawnbrokers and discount stores, to men waiting | :01:39. | :01:47. | |
each morning for casual work. More than two and a half million people | :01:47. | :01:51. | |
are out of work. And nearly two thirds of people with a job have | :01:51. | :01:55. | |
had their pay frozen or cut this year. But wages have actually gone | :01:55. | :02:05. | |
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For the wealthy, �6.08 won't even park the car for very long but | :02:07. | :02:13. | |
that's the new hourly rate for the NMW. And for many workers at the | :02:13. | :02:17. | |
bottom end of the pay scale, it can make all the difference in these | :02:17. | :02:20. | |
tough economic times. But we've discovered that many British | :02:20. | :02:27. | |
workers are being paid less than this - often much less. And some | :02:27. | :02:37. | |
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I'm off in search of the worst paid job in Britain. First stop, my home | :02:39. | :02:43. | |
town of Glasgow. And a familiar sight we all dread. They're known | :02:43. | :02:48. | |
as chuggers. Cold-calling door-to- door to get us to sign up for | :02:48. | :02:53. | |
charity donations. It's a thankless job. And for some of the young | :02:53. | :02:58. | |
people who do it, it's also very poorly paid. As an unemployed | :02:58. | :03:01. | |
graduate, desperate for work, Matthew Parkes took a job like this | :03:01. | :03:07. | |
last year. He didn't get minimum wage. He earned less than half that | :03:07. | :03:14. | |
- just �2.85 an hour. You'd be working from about quarter past ten | :03:14. | :03:16. | |
every morning until gone nine o'clock, sometimes gone ten o'clock | :03:16. | :03:22. | |
at night, and then obviously travel on top of that. By the time you get | :03:22. | :03:25. | |
home you're absolutely exhausted. I home you're absolutely exhausted. I | :03:25. | :03:29. | |
worked about seventy hours in a worked about seventy hours in a | :03:29. | :03:32. | |
week and earned around about �200. With youth unemployment at a record | :03:32. | :03:37. | |
high, Matthew couldn't be too picky about work. But his company led him | :03:37. | :03:41. | |
to believe he was a graduate trainee. Smiths Marketing | :03:41. | :03:44. | |
Associates is still recruiting across the UK, so what else are | :03:44. | :03:46. | |
they promising? We sent another young graduate, James Craig, | :03:46. | :03:55. | |
undercover to find out. Fitted with a hidden camera, James went for a | :03:55. | :04:04. | |
job interview at Smiths' Luton I'm here for an interview with | :04:04. | :04:07. | |
Smiths Marketing. James doesn't get a chance to say very much at | :04:07. | :04:10. | |
interview. Instead he's treated to a high-speed sales pitch. Nearly | :04:11. | :04:20. | |
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An impressive list of clients - if you can keep up. But all of them | :04:38. | :04:42. | |
except the Red Cross told us they'd never worked with Smiths. How much | :04:42. | :04:52. | |
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then can a trainee like James �10,000 a week? That would be half | :05:10. | :05:14. | |
a million a year! The interviewer gets up to go having barely paused | :05:14. | :05:18. | |
for breath. But he hasn't told James what he'll earn yet. So James | :05:18. | :05:28. | |
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After twelve minutes of high-octane delivery, that was all he had to | :05:36. | :05:41. | |
say about pay. So James and I took the secret footage to show to top | :05:41. | :05:47. | |
employment barrister Simon Cheetham. That's meaningless. It's | :05:47. | :05:55. | |
performance-based. What does that mean? It may mean that it's | :05:55. | :06:00. | |
commission-only but of course I'm not sure when you'd find that out. | :06:00. | :06:04. | |
But the fact that he's so reluctant to tell you how much you're going | :06:04. | :06:06. | |
to earn, I'd have thought would make every warning sign flash. | :06:06. | :06:09. | |
Exactly, yeah and the advert specified �250 a week figure that | :06:09. | :06:13. | |
when I tried to highlight there he just seemed to brush over it there | :06:13. | :06:16. | |
without any allusion to it whatsoever. Are Smiths young | :06:16. | :06:19. | |
recruits simply being exploited then? Another researcher Nana | :06:19. | :06:24. | |
Wilson got a job with the Glasgow team. He was told his earnings | :06:25. | :06:29. | |
would be based entirely on sales. On his first day, Nana's job was to | :06:30. | :06:33. | |
persuade people to sign up for a direct debit to the British Red | :06:33. | :06:42. | |
Cross. After work, he kept a video diary. It's now almost midnight and | :06:42. | :06:47. | |
I've been working since 10 o'clock. I got there at 10:15, I'm tired, | :06:47. | :06:50. | |
I've made no money whatsoever today, I've knocked on doors, spoken to | :06:50. | :07:00. | |
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people, I've had no hits. Bedtime. I've got to go and sell things | :07:03. | :07:10. | |
tomorrow. In fact, Nana didn't make a single sale in three days. So no | :07:10. | :07:20. | |
pay for him. But what about his more experienced colleagues? One of | :07:20. | :07:23. | |
the other team leaders was really quite chuffed and proud of the fact | :07:23. | :07:30. | |
that he did 81 hours and he only got �350 out of that. That's just | :07:30. | :07:40. | |
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over �4 an hour - still well below minimum wage. So are Smiths exempt | :07:44. | :07:47. | |
from the law because they tell workers it's commission only? | :07:47. | :07:50. | |
would be far too easy a way to get round paying the national minimum | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
wage, and so you would look at the pay period, for example, the month | :07:54. | :07:57. | |
over which the pay is calculated, and that person would be entitled | :07:57. | :08:00. | |
to the national minimum wage for that period. So even if they're | :08:00. | :08:02. | |
told it's commssion only, they should get a national minimum wage? | :08:02. | :08:08. | |
Absolutely, that's the law. then do Smiths get away with paying | :08:08. | :08:14. | |
some workers so little? Well, read the small print in their job ads. | :08:14. | :08:17. | |
"You will be working on a self- employed basis so the number of | :08:17. | :08:21. | |
successful sales you make will determine your weekly earnings". | :08:21. | :08:24. | |
Under the law, employees are entitled to minimum wage but the | :08:24. | :08:31. | |
self-employed are not. Are the hard-working young people at Smiths | :08:31. | :08:38. | |
really self-employed, though? Let's see if James can find out. He's | :08:38. | :08:41. | |
been called back for a second interview in Luton that actually | :08:41. | :08:45. | |
turns into a day's unpaid work experience. He's asked to hit the | :08:45. | :08:51. | |
streets with other new recruits. For the first half hour, you're | :08:51. | :08:54. | |
going to be with me, so I'll pitch to two doors and then you'll pitch | :08:54. | :08:58. | |
to one and when you get more comfortable just let me know and | :08:58. | :09:01. | |
I'll let you go on your own. team leader seems pretty clear | :09:01. | :09:05. | |
about where and when she expects James to work for Smiths. 12:30 | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
till 2pm is lunch, travel to get to our location and 2 till 8:30 is | :09:09. | :09:16. | |
work, so basically what we're doing now, knocking on people's doors. | :09:16. | :09:26. | |
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Saturdays, obviously we do have a life. It's 9:30 till 5. Six days a | :09:28. | :09:33. | |
week, full time, doesn't sound very self-employed. The more that the | :09:33. | :09:36. | |
employer controls what the person does, tells him what to do, what | :09:36. | :09:40. | |
hours they do, requires them and only them to do it, the more likely | :09:40. | :09:43. | |
that person must be an employee. asked Smiths by letter why they're | :09:43. | :09:53. | |
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paying less than minimum wage. They didn't even respond. The British | :09:57. | :10:07. | |
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Red Cross told us: So how many companies are using the self- | :10:09. | :10:12. | |
employed loophole to get round paying minimum wage? The TUC says | :10:12. | :10:16. | |
paying minimum wage? The TUC says the problem is widespread. We've | :10:17. | :10:19. | |
seen problems, for example, in the hairdressing sector, we've seen | :10:19. | :10:28. | |
problems with couriers who're told that they're self-employed. We've | :10:28. | :10:32. | |
seen problems with car valets, for example, who have to be at work at | :10:32. | :10:35. | |
a certain time, who're told when to take their lunch break but are | :10:35. | :10:38. | |
still told that they're self- employed so they're only able to | :10:38. | :10:41. | |
earn a few pounds an hour as opposed to the minimum wage rate | :10:41. | :10:45. | |
that they're legally entitled to. In the last year alone, for example, | :10:45. | :10:47. | |
ten thousand hairdressers have become self-employed having | :10:47. | :10:50. | |
previously been on a salon payroll. Mark Coray says it's the only way | :10:50. | :10:59. | |
some businesses can survive. If the salon makes somebody self employed, | :10:59. | :11:02. | |
the salon actually gets out of paying holidays, gets out of paying | :11:02. | :11:07. | |
PAYE and any sick pay. So it's almost like a legal way of avoiding | :11:07. | :11:14. | |
the high overheads that come with the minimum wage. So it's a way | :11:14. | :11:19. | |
round it, really? Yes, you could say that. Mark says the minimum | :11:19. | :11:29. | |
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wage has forced him to lay off junior staff in his own salon. | :11:33. | :11:35. | |
stylists, when they're having their colour rinsed off, they're having | :11:35. | :11:38. | |
their client's hair shampooed, could be doing it themselves, so | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
why would I want that extra higher expense? So you're employing fewer | :11:41. | :11:43. | |
juniors directly as a result of national minimum wage? Definitely. | :11:43. | :11:46. | |
Some say it's no surprise that small businesses are trying to find | :11:46. | :11:52. | |
ways to beat the law. Why would you pay �6.08 for something that's only | :11:52. | :11:56. | |
worth �5 an hour to your business? You're gonna try and find all sorts | :11:56. | :12:03. | |
of ways round the system. My ideal would be to get rid of it. If you | :12:03. | :12:06. | |
can't get rid of it, at least have different rates in different | :12:06. | :12:09. | |
regions of the country, and certainly don't keep putting it up. | :12:09. | :12:12. | |
Continuing to increase this is basically pricing out people from | :12:12. | :12:17. | |
the labour market. The government says it's committed to the minimum | :12:17. | :12:24. | |
wage. And the unions would fight any attempt to scrap it. | :12:24. | :12:31. | |
evidence is very clear. Over the decades since the minimum wage has | :12:31. | :12:34. | |
been introduced, there has simply not been a reduction in jobs, as a | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
result of the minimum wage. In fact, poorer wages for the lowest paid | :12:37. | :12:40. | |
workers, could result in even less money in people's pockets, less | :12:40. | :12:45. | |
spending in the economy and fewer jobs being created. One group | :12:45. | :12:47. | |
particularly vulnerable to exploitation is migrant workers. | :12:47. | :12:50. | |
More than 1 in 10 are paid below minimum wage. Rural Lincolnshire, | :12:50. | :12:53. | |
and we're on the road with the inspectors whose job it is to make | :12:53. | :13:00. | |
sure workers get what they're entitled to. They've heard a group | :13:01. | :13:03. | |
of foreign workers bussed in from Derby are picking vegetables in | :13:03. | :13:07. | |
this field. We're going to talk to the workers to find out who they | :13:07. | :13:15. | |
work for, what they're doing and The men are legally allowed to work | :13:15. | :13:20. | |
here and should be paid minimum wage. But finding out if they are | :13:20. | :13:30. | |
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is easier said than done. Hello, do you speak English? A little bit. | :13:30. | :13:37. | |
you know how much you're being paid? �2.75. Is that cash payment? | :13:37. | :13:42. | |
Cash payment, yes? And do you get that in an envelope with a pay | :13:42. | :13:46. | |
slip? Yes. Payslip. Turns out the men aren't paid by the hour. | :13:46. | :13:50. | |
They're paid for each box of spring onions they harvest. So the | :13:50. | :13:52. | |
inspector has a tough job working out exactly how much they're | :13:52. | :13:57. | |
earning an hour. These workers are all being paid by piece rate which | :13:57. | :14:03. | |
means they get paid �2.60 per box that they fill up of the onions. | :14:03. | :14:07. | |
Even though they're on piece rate they still need to be paid the | :14:07. | :14:11. | |
national minimum wage. The workers don't have any paperwork on them | :14:11. | :14:16. | |
and getting the answers the inspector needs is proving tricky. | :14:16. | :14:21. | |
And do you know the name of the agency? No. You don't know? That's | :14:21. | :14:28. | |
alright. And does he bring the money here? No, in Derby. No, you | :14:28. | :14:34. | |
get your money in Derby. How much did you get paid for last week? | :14:34. | :14:44. | |
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There have only been seven criminal prosecutions brought against | :14:46. | :14:51. | |
employers for paying less than minimum wage sves since it was | :14:51. | :14:57. | |
introduced over a decade ago. is a minority of employers who are | :14:57. | :15:01. | |
keen to try and exploit the work force and take advantage of the | :15:01. | :15:04. | |
fact the national minimum wage is rarely enforced through criminal | :15:04. | :15:09. | |
sanction, so one would think it only be a fear of prosecution that | :15:09. | :15:15. | |
would make them take it seriously. Last year alone, the taxman found | :15:15. | :15:19. | |
that 23,000 people were owed nearly �4 million because they had been | :15:19. | :15:23. | |
paid less than minimum wage. Exploited workers can take rogue | :15:23. | :15:28. | |
employers to an employment tribunal. But getting what is owed isn't easy, | :15:28. | :15:33. | |
as these two men have found. They didn't get minimum wage when they | :15:33. | :15:40. | |
were employed at security guards in Glasgow, they were on just �3.50 | :15:40. | :15:44. | |
and hour. Jamal Dawsod wasn't paid at all for his final two months of | :15:44. | :15:52. | |
work. How much were you owed? �5,000. That is a lot of money. You | :15:52. | :15:57. | |
haven't seen a penny of it? didn't get a penny. He won an | :15:57. | :16:01. | |
employment tribunal but to get what he is owed the company, First | :16:01. | :16:07. | |
Response has to be tracked down. We found the registers office here. A | :16:07. | :16:12. | |
small mailbox rented by the week in Glasgow. The order for payment | :16:12. | :16:16. | |
can't be served by Jamal. He has to pay a Sheriff's officer to do that. | :16:16. | :16:25. | |
After a long chat with staff inside, he emerges with bad news. First | :16:25. | :16:28. | |
Response Security no longer maintain the rental of the box at | :16:28. | :16:32. | |
the shop. Not withstanding the fact it has not been rented by the spon | :16:32. | :16:37. | |
dents, it is still a registered office of the company. So where | :16:37. | :16:42. | |
does that leave Jamal in terms of getting his money back? It means | :16:42. | :16:47. | |
this document which is a charge for payment can't be served. Are you | :16:47. | :16:53. | |
disappointed? Yes. Further attempts by us to contact First Response | :16:53. | :17:00. | |
failed. Jamal has still not been paid his money. When Parliament | :17:00. | :17:04. | |
passed the minimum wage legislation it was meant to protect all workers. | :17:04. | :17:08. | |
But the effect of Government spending cuts has been to drive | :17:08. | :17:12. | |
down wages for the two million people who work in the UK care | :17:12. | :17:15. | |
industry. We have discovered that an increasing number are being paid | :17:15. | :17:21. | |
below the minimum wage and that is affecting the whole sector. Take | :17:21. | :17:25. | |
this woman. She doesn't want to be identified for fear of losing her | :17:25. | :17:31. | |
present job. Her hourly rate was �6.16 and hour when she used to | :17:31. | :17:36. | |
care 22 hours a day for someone with Alzheimer's. She was left with | :17:36. | :17:40. | |
�3.36 an hour because se was paid nothing for the sleep over part of | :17:40. | :17:46. | |
the shift. I wasn't able to get a good nights rest because I had | :17:46. | :17:51. | |
broken sleep. I would be woken up by the lieant client at night and | :17:51. | :17:55. | |
it was continuous. You work a whole week at a time and for less than | :17:55. | :18:01. | |
the minimum wage. I think those people over there making policies | :18:01. | :18:05. | |
and thing, they need to look at the real facts and the way life really | :18:05. | :18:14. | |
is for carers in this country. Glasgow though, these workers are | :18:14. | :18:19. | |
fighting back. With some companies paying below minimum wage, | :18:19. | :18:25. | |
reputable care providers like their employers are having to cut wages | :18:25. | :18:30. | |
to compete. This fight is not over. It won't be over until we sit down | :18:30. | :18:38. | |
in that office and they agree to change things. These people aren't | :18:38. | :18:41. | |
braving the rain to demonstrate against some fly-by-night private | :18:41. | :18:46. | |
company that is out to make a fast buck. Quarriers is a charity with | :18:46. | :18:51. | |
over 100 years expense of providing high quality social care, and its | :18:51. | :18:57. | |
pay and conditions have been among the best in the sector. But the | :18:57. | :19:00. | |
management say they have to reduce patience as cash strapped councils | :19:00. | :19:07. | |
now expect them to deliver care contracts for less. Some of the | :19:07. | :19:11. | |
charity's most experienced employees stand to lose the largest | :19:11. | :19:19. | |
amount. A quarter of my wage or a fifth which works out between | :19:19. | :19:23. | |
�4,000-�5,000 a year. I am worried about this. That is a lot of money | :19:23. | :19:27. | |
for anybody. It is mortgage money. The charity's chief executive says | :19:27. | :19:36. | |
it is simply a case of adapt or die. Are you taking a 20% pay cut? | :19:36. | :19:41. | |
not. Why not? Bah that wouldn't solve the problem. I could take a | :19:41. | :19:45. | |
100 percent pay cut and it wouldn't solve the problem. We are under | :19:45. | :19:48. | |
pressure because we know that Local Authorities and Health Trusts are | :19:48. | :19:52. | |
in a position where they are having to reduce the amount of money that | :19:52. | :19:58. | |
is available for contracts. So they want us to do the same for less. | :19:58. | :20:03. | |
And the reality of care workers pay is far worse than official figures | :20:03. | :20:08. | |
suggest. We have been given exclusive access to ub | :20:08. | :20:13. | |
unaccomplished research which shows they wildly underestimate the | :20:13. | :20:17. | |
number of care workers earning less than minimum wage. Researchers say | :20:17. | :20:22. | |
the true figure is at least five times higher. What we found, using | :20:22. | :20:29. | |
the most recent data, on England, that round 9% of the direct care | :20:29. | :20:32. | |
work force in England is paid under the national minimum wage. What is | :20:32. | :20:36. | |
your estimate for the whole of the UK? If we assume the same patterns | :20:36. | :20:43. | |
are across the UK, we then are talking about a range of 150- | :20:43. | :20:48. | |
200,000 care workers. Up to 200,000 in the care sector are being short | :20:48. | :20:52. | |
changed, there is a whole new generation that is being asked to | :20:52. | :20:57. | |
work for nothing at all. Young graduates. With large debts and | :20:57. | :21:01. | |
graduate unemployment at a 15 year high, pressure to get a job is | :21:01. | :21:08. | |
intense. And some employers are exploiting their desperation by | :21:08. | :21:12. | |
offering internships instead of paid work. A survey last month | :21:12. | :21:18. | |
found that 43% of graduate internships are unpaid. One of the | :21:18. | :21:23. | |
worst offenders is the media. After leaving university, Keri Hudson | :21:23. | :21:27. | |
wanted to break into journalism. She took an unpaid internship to | :21:27. | :21:32. | |
get work experience on a listings website called MyVillage. As soon | :21:32. | :21:37. | |
as I started it was made clear it was unpaid, but I was getting | :21:37. | :21:41. | |
rewarded with a portfolio of work and that it wouldn't warrant paying | :21:41. | :21:46. | |
the stuff I was doing. Very quickly her unpaid work experience started | :21:46. | :21:51. | |
to look suspiciously like a full- time job. In the second week of me | :21:51. | :21:55. | |
working there, my credit on the website changed to senior editor. I | :21:55. | :22:03. | |
was managing a team of seven people, and they were all unpaid as well. | :22:03. | :22:07. | |
If they obliged to carry out any work, so you get the intern | :22:07. | :22:10. | |
signature at a desk and realises the person next to them is being | :22:10. | :22:14. | |
paid do the same. The intern then is probably going to be a worker, | :22:14. | :22:17. | |
if they ra worker they are entitled to the national minimum wage. That | :22:18. | :22:22. | |
is what Keri thought. Earlier this year she successfully claimed here | :22:22. | :22:25. | |
at an employment tribunal she should have been paid minimum wage. | :22:25. | :22:30. | |
She was awarded more than �1,000. The company that owns MyVillage | :22:30. | :22:40. | |
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Campaigners say the use of internships is spreading into all | :22:54. | :22:59. | |
sorts of jobs, from catering to even receptionists. But it is the | :22:59. | :23:03. | |
creative industries like fashion, that are most notorious for | :23:03. | :23:11. | |
expecting interns to work for free, for months at a time. Fear of | :23:11. | :23:16. | |
harming their job prospects prevents most for complaining. That | :23:16. | :23:20. | |
is why this woman doesn't want identifying. She interned for | :23:20. | :23:24. | |
Stella McCartney. It was a workplacement of three months of | :23:24. | :23:29. | |
more working from nine to six as a minimum. You were working normal | :23:29. | :23:34. | |
office hours but sometimes more every day of the week? Yes, we got | :23:34. | :23:40. | |
travel into work and out of work. And �5 lunch vouchers every day. | :23:40. | :23:43. | |
There was just so much responsibility on interns to keep | :23:43. | :23:48. | |
the office going. More so than they needed to and people weren't given | :23:48. | :23:54. | |
much training. But is the work of an intern worth the full minimum | :23:54. | :23:57. | |
wage? Supposing somebody is offering a bit of work experience, | :23:57. | :24:01. | |
maybe it is for six month, maybe for one week. Are you doing the | :24:01. | :24:06. | |
intern a favour or are they doing you a favour? You can't pay | :24:06. | :24:12. | |
anything between 0 and �6.08. This causes real problems for | :24:13. | :24:18. | |
internships. It is an all-or- nothing situation. At the end of | :24:18. | :24:21. | |
the day you did get some valuable work experience. Some people might | :24:21. | :24:26. | |
say it is fair enough that you work for nothing. We did have some | :24:26. | :24:29. | |
really great opportunities that we got to do like every so often you | :24:29. | :24:34. | |
get to do some great stuff. But most of the time, it was just | :24:34. | :24:37. | |
ridiculous, like paperwork and stressful hours. So things that | :24:37. | :24:43. | |
weren't really helping us as interns. Who are there to learn. | :24:43. | :24:48. | |
With so many young people out of work, she had no real bargaining | :24:48. | :24:53. | |
power. Did anyone think to ask to be paid? No it is not an option. If | :24:53. | :24:58. | |
you asked, if you complain or if you ask to be paid they will be | :24:58. | :25:02. | |
like, leave, because there are so many other people who want that | :25:02. | :25:05. | |
that they don't need you there there are more people who will do | :25:05. | :25:15. | |
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the work for free. Stella With unpaid internships in | :25:30. | :25:35. | |
industries like fashion so rife, the Government accomplished new | :25:35. | :25:37. | |
guidelines that clarified when internships should be paid. But | :25:37. | :25:42. | |
some fear that is not enough. welcome the guidance that has been | :25:42. | :25:44. | |
accomplished. We also think information on its own is not | :25:44. | :25:48. | |
enough, what we need is targeted enforcements in sectors where we | :25:49. | :25:52. | |
know from evidence that internships are rife, and we would like to see | :25:52. | :25:56. | |
the Government's minimum wage enforcement teams taking that | :25:56. | :25:59. | |
forward as a priority. What are the chances of the Government pushing | :25:59. | :26:05. | |
for more prosecutions, when MPs themselves stand accused of ex | :26:05. | :26:08. | |
ploilploiting interns. The Deputy Prime Minister has said no | :26:08. | :26:12. | |
Westminster intern should be unpaid. But what is the reality? A quick | :26:12. | :26:19. | |
ring round of MPs offices, finds many still using interns. It is | :26:19. | :26:23. | |
across the political spectrum and more often than not they get little | :26:23. | :26:26. | |
more than expenses. I want to find out if you are recruiting any | :26:26. | :26:34. | |
interns at the moment. I think we do it on a long-term basis. | :26:34. | :26:40. | |
internships going? Yes, the best thing tho is send a CV. Just | :26:40. | :26:48. | |
experiences? A confidential trade union survey offered a fuller | :26:48. | :26:51. | |
fuller concern. One said why should only rich people from London be | :26:51. | :26:54. | |
able to gain experience in Parliament? Another said. We have | :26:54. | :27:04. | |
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to rely on the help of unpaid interns. It is unfair. So is this | :27:05. | :27:10. | |
the end of the road in my search for the worst paid job in Britain? | :27:10. | :27:17. | |
Not quite. Meet Norse. He was an intern for an -- Ciaran Norris. He | :27:17. | :27:22. | |
didn't get minimum wage. He didn't get any salary. In fact he paid | :27:22. | :27:26. | |
�1200 to work. It was a placement arranged as part of his degree | :27:26. | :27:33. | |
course. So you paid them to work at Westminster? Yes, I think that is | :27:33. | :27:38. | |
what most people do. You want this priceless experience. That is how | :27:38. | :27:43. | |
they sell it. It is, but it isn't because you end up paying a lot to | :27:43. | :27:48. | |
do it. He paid half course fees to Hull university but he says he was | :27:48. | :27:54. | |
a full-time reSERPS at Westminster. It was a job of work. You did a lot | :27:54. | :27:57. | |
of the things researchers do you respond to constituents. You are | :27:57. | :28:01. | |
responsible for producing briefs at short notice. Hull university says | :28:02. | :28:06. | |
he was aware of the financial arrangements before he took up the | :28:07. | :28:16. | |
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Ciaran accepts it was valuable experience but says he hadn't | :28:30. | :28:33. | |
anticipated how much debt it would leave him in and he expected better | :28:34. | :28:38. | |
from MPs. This is a place that is supposed to be setting the standard. | :28:38. | :28:41. | |
We have seen examples of how they have been doing the opposite. I | :28:41. | :28:45. | |
think it is fairly cheap to say we want people to come in and have | :28:45. | :28:49. | |
these opportunities but at the same time we don't b want, we want them | :28:49. | :28:55. | |
to indebt themselves. I don't think that is fair. It is hard times for | :28:55. | :29:00. | |
most of us, as pay and living standards are squeezed ever tighter. | :29:00. | :29:04. |