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Nick Griffin's British National Party, under investigation by the | :00:11. | :00:15. | |
Metropolitan Police. What did you say? That you can't do that. You | :00:15. | :00:19. | |
cannot do that. That is fraud. Party accounts described as fiction. | :00:19. | :00:23. | |
It is a fabrication. This large amount of money allocated against | :00:23. | :00:29. | |
my name, which is false. Trouble in Europe over taxpayers' money. | :00:29. | :00:35. | |
Europe was the big cash cow. Let's get our noses into the trough. | :00:35. | :00:40. | |
leader under attack from old allies. He can never admit to fault, and he | :00:40. | :00:45. | |
always, always believes he's in the right. But trying to ask Nick | :00:45. | :00:49. | |
Griffin questions... It is all we are saying on this matter. Thank | :00:49. | :00:59. | |
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you. It ends like this... Get out. I'm on a journey that will take me | :01:09. | :01:13. | |
to the heart of the British National Party. Britain's most | :01:13. | :01:18. | |
successful far-right party, ever. A journey that will break the silence | :01:18. | :01:23. | |
of chairman Nick Griffin's once most trusted inner circle. A former | :01:23. | :01:27. | |
Treasurer, the once head of publicity. The British National | :01:27. | :01:33. | |
Party's former web master and the man who led the party's phrasing | :01:33. | :01:38. | |
campaigns. All men with far-right views who held senior positions. | :01:38. | :01:43. | |
Until now, revealing how the party really does business. Many of them | :01:43. | :01:47. | |
have spoken off the record. Normally, investigations into the | :01:47. | :01:50. | |
British National Party focus on racism. This one is about | :01:50. | :01:57. | |
corruption, dirty tricks and lies and it starts in 2006. Nick Griffin | :01:58. | :02:07. | |
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and his Head of Pub lit, ch Mark, Collett were found not guilty of | :02:12. | :02:16. | |
racial incitation at Leeds court. The two men were prosecuted after | :02:16. | :02:22. | |
being filmed by the BBC. Nick Griffin described Islam as a wicked, | :02:22. | :02:31. | |
vicious faith. Mark Collett called a-- asylum seekers cockroaches. | :02:31. | :02:36. | |
felt myself and the party had been vindicated. The court victory | :02:36. | :02:41. | |
attracted many new supporters, BNP was on the march. The same blood | :02:41. | :02:49. | |
that is in your veins is the same blood and DNA at Trafalgar, Dunkirk, | :02:49. | :02:58. | |
the Som merbgs, Passchendaele. time loyalist and fund raiser was | :02:58. | :03:05. | |
to transform the BNP's fortunes. will turn this country around. | :03:05. | :03:11. | |
transformation happened in the most unlikely of places. Jim Dalston set | :03:11. | :03:16. | |
up a new BNP headlines in East Belfast. Welcome to my world. The | :03:16. | :03:19. | |
British National Party were here for two-and-a-half years. We have | :03:19. | :03:24. | |
security grills, cameras here, here and here. But no sign saying | :03:24. | :03:29. | |
British National Party? absolutely not. It is very low key. | :03:29. | :03:34. | |
From the offices jerm Dalston organised mass mail shots for the | :03:34. | :03:40. | |
BNP. We put out a mailing to 12,000 people. It brought in over the | :03:41. | :03:48. | |
month 136 -- �136. Out of that about 115 -- �115,000 was clear | :03:48. | :03:53. | |
pro-ity. They started to rake it in. Nick Griffin was Wiley, he could | :03:53. | :03:58. | |
see right away that this was a goldmine. We could unleash hundreds | :03:58. | :04:03. | |
and hundreds of thousands of pounds, if not millions from doing this. | :04:03. | :04:09. | |
the heart of one of their most successful fund raising campaigns, | :04:10. | :04:14. | |
the BNP's truth truck A Lori sound to the -- sold to the party for | :04:14. | :04:21. | |
almost �20 now's. It is an A frame billboard that the Tories and the | :04:21. | :04:27. | |
Labour use. It is a fantastic sound system. The lights, everything. | :04:27. | :04:33. | |
Dalston raised the money to pay for it and more. It was in three parts | :04:33. | :04:39. | |
over a period of two months it raised about �170,000. In three | :04:39. | :04:46. | |
years, the BNP's income had tripled to nearly �2 million. Success for | :04:46. | :04:50. | |
the BNP. Success also for Jim Dalston. The more he raised, the | :04:50. | :04:56. | |
more he was paid. It was not just the party's fund raising that was | :04:56. | :05:00. | |
being turned around. Meet Simon Bennett. Another man crucial to the | :05:00. | :05:07. | |
BNP. He managed its website. I was given teledays to completely | :05:07. | :05:11. | |
redevelop and redesign it. And to run it. That is pretty much what I | :05:11. | :05:17. | |
did for three years. But when the website came under cyber attack | :05:17. | :05:23. | |
known as denial of service, Nick Griffin saw an opportunity. | :05:23. | :05:30. | |
Unbeknown to me he put out a campaign to raise �5 million to | :05:30. | :05:35. | |
beat this attack, or this DOS attack, the largest known to | :05:35. | :05:41. | |
mankind in history. It wasn't and did it really cost �5,000? Simon | :05:41. | :05:46. | |
Bennett should know, he hired the computer programmer who defeated | :05:46. | :05:51. | |
the hackers. No, absolutely not true. It was a lie. His invoice to | :05:51. | :05:59. | |
the party was �177. And an overblown campaign that misled | :05:59. | :06:03. | |
supporters, according to Simon Bennett. Nick Griffin said that the | :06:03. | :06:11. | |
appeal was based on an estimated cost, members know that into extra | :06:12. | :06:15. | |
cash goes to the party. All political funds however raised must | :06:15. | :06:20. | |
be accounted for. The bigger donations are made public, it is | :06:20. | :06:25. | |
the law. We have obtained evidence from inside the BNP that reveals | :06:25. | :06:30. | |
that seven donors gave more than �5,000 in 2009. They should have | :06:30. | :06:34. | |
been made public, but only four were. So, what happened to the | :06:34. | :06:38. | |
other three? The party said it was getting so many donations that its | :06:38. | :06:45. | |
records could not keep up. But according to accountant Michael | :06:45. | :06:48. | |
Power, the proper recording of donations is vital. It is | :06:48. | :06:52. | |
absolutely at the heart of the financial management and financial | :06:52. | :06:56. | |
probity of a political party that they do this well and are seen to | :06:56. | :07:03. | |
do it well. And the BNP don't seem to be doing it well, that is fair | :07:03. | :07:08. | |
to say? It is fair, they have told us that themselves. But is there a | :07:08. | :07:14. | |
darker explanation for the missing donations? One well-placed insider | :07:14. | :07:20. | |
told me that the party wanted to keep some donors anonymous. Secret | :07:20. | :07:26. | |
that is, from me and you. Failing to report donations properly breaks | :07:26. | :07:30. | |
the law. The Electoral Commission has the power to investigate | :07:30. | :07:35. | |
political parties. It has already investigated the BNP. It essencored | :07:35. | :07:42. | |
the party for failing to keep accurate and transparent accounts | :07:42. | :07:49. | |
in 2008. The party's explanation then was it had just introduced | :07:49. | :07:52. | |
computerised accounting and some information had gone missing. John | :07:52. | :07:57. | |
Walker used to be a been been Treasurer. He should know. That is | :07:57. | :08:03. | |
a lie. It is a lie? Yes. It has always been computised from day one. | :08:03. | :08:09. | |
The BNP admits that its explanation was unclear and blamed an unname | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
former official, but John Walker says that there is more. John, the | :08:14. | :08:22. | |
accounts in 2009, they say that � 37,450 was paid to you?. | :08:22. | :08:27. | |
absolutely not. I was flabbergasted to see in the accounts that this | :08:27. | :08:31. | |
large amount of money allocated against my name, which is | :08:31. | :08:35. | |
completely false. It is a fabrication. At the time that the | :08:35. | :08:40. | |
accounts say he was paid, John Walker was no longer even on the | :08:40. | :08:43. | |
BNP payroll. Why did it happen? Obviously they could not account | :08:43. | :08:48. | |
for a large sum of money and they tried to put it somewhere. I don't | :08:48. | :08:53. | |
know how they thought they could have gotten away with it. John | :08:53. | :08:58. | |
Walker says he never got the money. What does this tell us about what | :08:58. | :09:04. | |
is happening here? The statement is backed up by the sensus that says | :09:04. | :09:07. | |
that no evidence was given to show what the payments covered so it | :09:07. | :09:13. | |
seems what you are telling me is true, that is a fictional entry in | :09:13. | :09:21. | |
the statements. Michael Power has this assessment from the most | :09:21. | :09:25. | |
recent published accounts. Technically, the party is insolvent. | :09:25. | :09:30. | |
I wanted to talk to the man in charge, the Party Chairman, Nick | :09:30. | :09:34. | |
Griffin. Nick, hello, how are you, it is Darragh MacIntyre from the | :09:34. | :09:40. | |
BBC, how are you getting on? It didn't go very well. Just to | :09:40. | :09:45. | |
clarify something, this is not a spear. We are following up... -- | :09:45. | :09:49. | |
this is not a smear. We are simply following up... You know this, | :09:49. | :09:54. | |
don't you take me for a physical. Your party members are saying this. | :09:54. | :10:00. | |
He said he would think about giving us an interview. So, money worries | :10:00. | :10:08. | |
in private, but in public, the BNP was on a roll. More than 50 elected | :10:08. | :10:13. | |
councilors and a seat for this man, Richard Barnbrook on the London | :10:13. | :10:21. | |
Assembly. Then in June, 2009, the biggest day in the British National | :10:21. | :10:29. | |
Party's 27-year history. British National Party, 132,94. | :10:29. | :10:35. | |
Nick Griffin and Andrew Bronze elected to the European Parliament. | :10:35. | :10:40. | |
A major brewing for Britain's far- right. We had reached main stream | :10:40. | :10:46. | |
respectability at that time. From that point onwards, we were going | :10:46. | :10:50. | |
to operate like a main stream legitimate party and, you know, it | :10:50. | :10:58. | |
was the big time for us. Back at Jim Dalston's BNP HQ in Belfast. | :10:58. | :11:04. | |
Nick Griffin thank the staff personally for the election success. | :11:04. | :11:12. | |
Among them Jim Dalston's sister-in- law Marion Thomas. We feel we got | :11:12. | :11:17. | |
him elected as it was our hard work. He came over for a visit saying we | :11:17. | :11:25. | |
had done a great job. Once upon a time... We had three little pigs... | :11:25. | :11:31. | |
The BNP had Compiegneed on an anti- sleaze platform, led by Simon Derby. | :11:31. | :11:41. | |
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Someone that I meet later. -- the BNP had campaigned. The new MEPs | :11:42. | :11:49. | |
were entitled to a slice of the European pie. �260,000 each on top | :11:49. | :11:53. | |
of the salaries. The money must be spent on working for Europe. The | :11:53. | :11:58. | |
first task that the BNP had was to find a premises fit for their | :11:58. | :12:08. | |
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leader and new MEP. The search took them far and wide and ended... Here. | :12:08. | :12:11. | |
Unit 36789B. Nick Griffin's European headlines on an industrial | :12:11. | :12:17. | |
estate in Wigtonne, come brer. It was here that recent recruit, | :12:17. | :12:23. | |
Alistair Barbour joined the MEP's payroll. Europe was the cash cow, | :12:23. | :12:27. | |
let's get our noses into the trough and see what we can get out. To see | :12:27. | :12:32. | |
what we can fund the party with. Alistair Barbour was paid out of EU | :12:32. | :12:36. | |
funds to do European work, but most of the time that is not what | :12:36. | :12:41. | |
happened. So, what did you spend your time doing? Party work. Party | :12:41. | :12:46. | |
work. You're not allowed to do that? No. No. But this is what it | :12:46. | :12:51. | |
was all about. Party work and trying to figure out what expenses | :12:51. | :12:56. | |
we could get out of the European Union. There is no grey area with | :12:56. | :13:02. | |
the European money. It can only be spent on EU business, otherwise it | :13:02. | :13:05. | |
is fraud. The rules and the guidance that goes with the rules | :13:05. | :13:12. | |
is clear. You may not use the money we we are providing for for a | :13:12. | :13:17. | |
parliamentary activities to either directly or indirectly subsidise a | :13:17. | :13:26. | |
national party. Andrew Bronze, the party's other MEP disapproved of | :13:26. | :13:32. | |
missing EU funds. Alistair Barbour resigned in disgust at BNP politics. | :13:32. | :13:37. | |
He is now talking with the European fraud investigators. Right next | :13:37. | :13:44. | |
door to unit 3B is 3A. It became the British National Party's | :13:44. | :13:51. | |
national headquarters. It was said that at one point EU's subsidised | :13:51. | :13:57. | |
electricity was siphoned from here to here. European money, taxpayer's | :13:57. | :14:01. | |
money drained from this unit into the coffers of the British National | :14:02. | :14:06. | |
Party next door. Simple, really. It was reported to Europe's fraud | :14:06. | :14:10. | |
investigators but it was five months before they arrived in | :14:10. | :14:16. | |
Cumbria. At that time, they found no evidence of an electricity scam. | :14:16. | :14:19. | |
But they continued to investigate a series of allegations about the | :14:19. | :14:25. | |
miss use of European money. Meanwhile, I received a message | :14:25. | :14:30. | |
from the office. I've just been told, right, Nick Griffin has | :14:30. | :14:36. | |
tweeted about the programme. I know he said last week it was a smear | :14:36. | :14:42. | |
show. That I can handle. That is his opinion. It was about his wife, | :14:42. | :14:52. | |
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Jackie., "BBC Panorama smear mongers ran a full credit check on | :14:53. | :14:57. | |
Jackie...." That's a lie. It is also against the law, so I rang to | :14:57. | :15:07. | |
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How are you doing? I see you have been tweeting about us. You tweeted | :15:10. | :15:16. | |
that the BBC had carried out a full credit check on your wife. I can | :15:16. | :15:20. | |
just tell you, we didn't, we absolutely didn't. Nothing to do | :15:20. | :15:24. | |
with the BBC. He said he would take my word for | :15:24. | :15:34. | |
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By 2009, success at the ballot box delivered a big moment for Nick | :15:39. | :15:45. | |
Griffin. But it backfired. I have shared a platform with David Duke, | :15:45. | :15:51. | |
who was once a leader of a Ku Klux Klan, a totally non-violent one, | :15:51. | :15:57. | |
incidentally. He embarrassed himself. He carried himself like an | :15:57. | :16:06. | |
He managed to Google, Goan, for pace -- pull faces -- he managed to | :16:06. | :16:11. | |
giggle and Goan. He looked completely out of his depth. Nick | :16:11. | :16:15. | |
Griffin described the programme as a lynch mob, and said he did well | :16:15. | :16:23. | |
in these circumstances. But others thought it was a disastrous start | :16:23. | :16:26. | |
to their 2010 general election campaign. The BNP was by now, | :16:26. | :16:34. | |
spending big time. Jim Dowson's fund-raising couldn't keep up. | :16:34. | :16:38. | |
few milk your donors too hard, they are still producing the milk, it is | :16:38. | :16:44. | |
as simple as that. My act - if you milk your donors. Nick Griffin's | :16:44. | :16:49. | |
BNP was running up debts and these debts have caused the biggest | :16:49. | :16:54. | |
problem for the party. This press company is just one of its | :16:54. | :16:59. | |
creditors, it is owed �45,000. Marion Thomas was helping the BNP | :16:59. | :17:08. | |
with its books. This one is marked paid. It is not paid. How do you | :17:08. | :17:16. | |
know? Because I stab at it. says she was told to do it by this | :17:16. | :17:23. | |
She said she was told to do it by this man, former bouncer and being | :17:23. | :17:29. | |
pre- treasury officer. She says the press in voice and others she was | :17:29. | :17:33. | |
asked to alter were all submitted to the Electoral Commission. How | :17:33. | :17:38. | |
did he feel about doing that? made my objections known. What did | :17:38. | :17:44. | |
you say? That you can't do that, you cannot do that, that is fraught. | :17:44. | :17:49. | |
Marion Thomas has been interviewed -- fraud. Marion Thomas has been | :17:49. | :17:52. | |
interviewed by detectives from the Metropolitan Police, investigating | :17:52. | :17:56. | |
alleged breaches of the electoral law by the BNP. The investigation | :17:56. | :18:01. | |
did not start with her. It began here in Barking, east London, with | :18:01. | :18:06. | |
Nick Griffin's campaign to become the MP, and the records of his | :18:06. | :18:16. | |
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election spending, lodged at More pills, another -- more pills, | :18:18. | :18:28. | |
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another printing company, Newton This is Richard Farmborough, Nick | :18:29. | :18:35. | |
Griffin's election agent. -- This is Richard Barnbrook. By submitting | :18:35. | :18:39. | |
those invoices as paid when they were not, he may have broken | :18:39. | :18:43. | |
electoral law. Richard Barnbrook went to the High Court, pleading he | :18:43. | :18:47. | |
had acted in good faith. The judge adjourned the hearing, but referred | :18:47. | :18:52. | |
the case to the Director of Public Prosecutions, and the Metropolitan | :18:52. | :19:00. | |
As candidate, Nick Griffin also signed the returns, and like his | :19:00. | :19:04. | |
agent, he says he signed them in good faith, believing all bills had | :19:04. | :19:14. | |
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At last year's general election, the BNP rand more candidates than | :19:16. | :19:21. | |
ever, and polled more votes, but it failed to get an MP -- ran a more | :19:21. | :19:25. | |
candidates. It now has less than 10 local councillors and its | :19:25. | :19:31. | |
membership is down. Civil war has broken out in the BNP. You are | :19:31. | :19:36. | |
killing this party from inside. sooner you go, the better for all | :19:36. | :19:46. | |
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of us. You have lied through your Weeks later, Andrew Brons, Nick | :19:46. | :19:50. | |
Griffin's fellow MEP, challenged him for the leadership of the party. | :19:50. | :19:59. | |
He lost by just nine votes. Many of Nick Griffin's closest allies have | :19:59. | :20:05. | |
now turned against him. Mark Colet was once tipped to be the next | :20:05. | :20:09. | |
leader of the BNP. Five years ago, he stood shoulder to shoulder with | :20:09. | :20:14. | |
Nick Griffin on the steps of Leeds Crown Court. I am embarrassed by | :20:14. | :20:18. | |
things I have said and did. When you are making crass comments when | :20:18. | :20:23. | |
you are 21, you can put that behind you. He still calls himself a | :20:23. | :20:27. | |
British nationalist, but expects to be vilified for taking part in this | :20:27. | :20:34. | |
programme. I will be an MI5 agent, I'll be a left-wing spy, I will be | :20:34. | :20:37. | |
an embittered former member of staff, I will be an agent | :20:37. | :20:41. | |
provocateur, I'll be a traitor, I'll be everything, because | :20:41. | :20:44. | |
everyone who disagrees with Nick Griffin is one of those things, | :20:44. | :20:49. | |
because everyone is out to get him. When BNP web master Simon Bennett, | :20:49. | :20:54. | |
now with another political party, fell out with the BNP last year, | :20:54. | :20:59. | |
libellous leaflets were posted to his home town. I felt sick for my | :21:00. | :21:02. | |
children, because they are targeting my children's school, | :21:02. | :21:07. | |
they sent this to my children's school. They sent it to a local pub, | :21:07. | :21:11. | |
every business in my town, and as far as I am aware, pretty much | :21:11. | :21:14. | |
every residential address. Nick Griffin says the BNP was not | :21:14. | :21:20. | |
involved. Jim Dowson stopped working for the party last year. He | :21:20. | :21:25. | |
says BNP treasurer Clive Jefferson asked him to help get fabricated | :21:25. | :21:29. | |
documents to use against a political opponent. I refused point | :21:29. | :21:33. | |
blank, I said, this is criminal, and it is when I made the decision | :21:33. | :21:36. | |
to have no more to do with the party, and as soon as my contract | :21:36. | :21:40. | |
was up, to get out. Clive Jeffers and denies any wrongdoing and says | :21:40. | :21:45. | |
Jim Dowson has no credibility with members of the BNP -- Clive | :21:45. | :21:51. | |
Jefferson denies. Condon near Belfast. Three BNP officials were | :21:51. | :21:57. | |
sent to get office equipment from Jim Dowson. They promised to pay | :21:57. | :22:02. | |
him some money he was owed. Marion Thomas was to carry out the | :22:02. | :22:06. | |
exchange. She got more than she bargained for. I was told to come | :22:06. | :22:12. | |
into the van, give the cash. And they shut the door and they went, | :22:12. | :22:17. | |
we are holding you to ransom until we get the server and the printer. | :22:17. | :22:22. | |
I laughed, and then I saw that they weren't being funny. And I was | :22:22. | :22:29. | |
actually quite frightened. You were now being held captive, hostage? | :22:29. | :22:38. | |
the car-park, in a lorry, yes, in the Tesco car park. Negotiations | :22:38. | :22:43. | |
began for her release. Did Nick Griffin know that Marion Thomas was | :22:43. | :22:48. | |
effectively being held hostage? he did, because I phoned him and | :22:48. | :22:51. | |
said, what the hell do you think you are playing at? These cowboys | :22:52. | :22:56. | |
are actually gangsters. Half-an- hour later, Marion Thomas was | :22:56. | :23:02. | |
released. What do you think of him now? Scum. An absolute scumbag. I | :23:03. | :23:08. | |
would not kiss on him if he was on fire. Maryam Thomas and Jane Dowson | :23:08. | :23:14. | |
now work for a rival political organisation -- Marion Thomas and | :23:14. | :23:17. | |
Jim Dowson. Nick Griffin has said he is responsible for everything | :23:17. | :23:23. | |
the BNP does. Finally, he agrees to meet me. Off to a pub car-park, | :23:23. | :23:27. | |
close to Leicester. We are on our way to do an interview with Nick | :23:27. | :23:31. | |
Griffin. At least I hope we are. With the BNP, everything is | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
mysterious. We have been told to go to a rendezvous point. Nobody was | :23:35. | :23:39. | |
there. Did you ever feel like someone was watching you? That's | :23:39. | :23:44. | |
how I feel right now. We were being watched, by BNP officials in a | :23:44. | :23:54. | |
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Land-Rover across the street. Not exactly sure where we are being | :24:02. | :24:08. | |
taken to a right turn here, to McDonald's, bizarrely. We are told | :24:08. | :24:12. | |
to wait again. The magical mystery tour goes on, we are off again. We | :24:12. | :24:17. | |
arrived, finally, at a hotel, and after being checked by BNP security, | :24:17. | :24:21. | |
we are allowed in. The bizarre world of the BNP had another | :24:21. | :24:25. | |
surprise for us. Nick Griffin announced we would have an audience | :24:25. | :24:30. | |
for the interview. We had hoped to put all of our allegations to him, | :24:30. | :24:34. | |
but first, a statement from him about us. The BBC is | :24:34. | :24:37. | |
institutionally hostile to the British National Party. We are | :24:37. | :24:41. | |
being attacked with a tissue of weak and deceitful lives, | :24:41. | :24:44. | |
distortion and half-truths from disgruntled former employees and | :24:44. | :24:47. | |
individuals with axes to grind. That is all we will be saying on | :24:47. | :24:51. | |
this matter, thank you. Before we had a chance to ask a single | :24:51. | :24:56. | |
question, Nick Griffin fled the room. Instead, spokesman Simon | :24:56. | :25:03. | |
Darby and a host of BNP cameras turned on us. Why is it that to | :25:03. | :25:07. | |
keep pressing the British National Party? This is the Third Programme | :25:07. | :25:14. | |
-- that you keep pressing. We had been ambushed. Can you tell us | :25:14. | :25:20. | |
about the BBC's expenses? In the thick of things, party treasurer, | :25:20. | :25:24. | |
Clive the Chesterton, the man at Marion Thomas says told her to | :25:24. | :25:29. | |
falsify records -- Clive Jefferson. How much are you being paid by | :25:29. | :25:38. | |
this? You are not going to answer our questions and you expect us to? | :25:38. | :25:48. | |
:25:48. | :25:52. | ||
It was the BNP's answer to our questions, I think some DUP in one. | :25:52. | :25:57. | |
Harassment from a senior official, while the party chairman, the man | :25:57. | :26:04. | |
who is ultimately responsible, is refusing to answer any questions. | :26:04. | :26:09. | |
Time to leave, and we were given a helping hand by BMP security. That | :26:09. | :26:16. | |
is are sold. Excuse me! After the interview that never was, we | :26:16. | :26:21. | |
finally got some answers from Nick Griffin. He denied that the BNP | :26:21. | :26:25. | |
used money from the European Union to fund national party work. The | :26:25. | :26:29. | |
BNP insists it didn't fail to disclose reportable donations. It | :26:30. | :26:34. | |
suggests we haven't taken account of bounced cheques, or what it | :26:34. | :26:38. | |
terms joint donations. Clive Jefferson says it is untrue that he | :26:38. | :26:43. | |
instructed Marion Thomas to falsify election returns. Nick Griffin says | :26:43. | :26:48. | |
he was not aware that Marion Thomas had accused three BNP officials of | :26:48. | :26:53. | |
holding her against her will. Two officials wrote to deny it. Nick | :26:53. | :26:58. | |
Griffin says they all do. Finally, Nick Griffin admits the money John | :26:58. | :27:02. | |
Walker never received was in fact incorrectly recorded as wages. He | :27:03. | :27:07. | |
now says the money went into an account in Mr Walker's name, which | :27:07. | :27:14. | |
was used to pay suppliers. Then, a final twist in our investigation, | :27:14. | :27:18. | |
an allegation that Nick Griffin himself ordered the creation of a | :27:18. | :27:25. | |
fake invoice. A BNP coach trip to Brussels, paid for with a European | :27:25. | :27:31. | |
grant of almost �10,000. But the trip cost much less than that, | :27:31. | :27:37. | |
leaving the party with a profit of about �4,000 it wanted to keep. But | :27:37. | :27:40. | |
when the Electoral Commission asked about the money, the BNP realised | :27:40. | :27:45. | |
they might have to pay their profits back. The solution, reduce | :27:45. | :27:52. | |
the profit with made up costs for Security and organising the trip. | :27:52. | :27:56. | |
Two former BNP officials have told us there was no security on this | :27:56. | :28:02. | |
trip. Nor was there any service fee for organising it. We have been | :28:02. | :28:06. | |
told Nick Griffin wanted these fictional costs beefed up. Nick | :28:06. | :28:12. | |
Griffin sent this e-mail to David Hannah, then treasurer of the BNP. | :28:12. | :28:16. | |
David Hannon has told us that this is an instruction to falsify an | :28:16. | :28:26. | |
:28:26. | :28:33. | ||
invoice. Nick Griffin wrote, good, The BNP misled the Electoral | :28:33. | :28:37. | |
Commission with details of these fictional costs, which the | :28:37. | :28:41. | |
commission accepted, without seeing the fake invoice. The case was | :28:41. | :28:46. | |
closed. Nick Griffin denies that he ordered false invoices to be | :28:46. | :28:50. | |
creative. He says others had access to his e-mail and could send | :28:50. | :28:55. | |
messages, apparently from him. He says he will investigate. David | :28:55. | :28:59. | |
Hannant died suddenly eight days ago. We had been speaking to him in | :28:59. | :29:03. | |
secret but his family have told us that they are happy for him to be | :29:03. | :29:10. | |
named in this programme. Internal party documents reveal that the BNP | :29:10. | :29:13. | |
oh half a million �12 months ago. Nick Griffin recently claimed the | :29:13. | :29:23. | |
:29:23. | :29:27. | ||
party debt is just �50,000. -- b b n p o �500,000, 12 months ago. Well | :29:27. | :29:31. |