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Tonight, face to face with Manchester's rioters. For the first | :00:07. | :00:12. | |
time, a police force tells the inside story of the worst disorder | :00:12. | :00:16. | |
in decades. I've certainly never seen that level of violence towards | :00:16. | :00:20. | |
police officers before. We hear from the rioters who took | :00:21. | :00:25. | |
on the police. I just picked a brick up, because obviously I'm | :00:25. | :00:31. | |
scared as well. And from those caught up in the madness on the day. | :00:31. | :00:37. | |
If it was a riot -- if it weren't a riot, then the next day I wouldn't | :00:37. | :00:41. | |
have been arrested. Are tougher sentences the answer? Of course it | :00:41. | :00:45. | |
was right the sentences were handed down. Their behaviour was | :00:45. | :00:48. | |
completely unacceptable. This is the story of the Manchester riots, | :00:48. | :00:58. | |
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told bit people who were there. For three days in August, the | :01:05. | :01:10. | |
country held its breath as our biggest cities fell victim to | :01:10. | :01:14. | |
disorder on an unprecedented scale. As London and Birmingham burned, | :01:14. | :01:22. | |
the question was which city would be next? Here in Manchester the 9th | :01:22. | :01:27. | |
August began peacefully, but before the day was out, hundreds of | :01:27. | :01:30. | |
rioters swept through these streets and the neighbouring city of | :01:30. | :01:37. | |
Salford. They attacked police, wrecked livelihoods and callsed | :01:37. | :01:41. | |
millions of pounds worth of damage. Three months on the country is | :01:41. | :01:44. | |
still asking why. Greater Manchester is policed by the third | :01:44. | :01:49. | |
largest force in the country, they accept they were overwhelmed that | :01:49. | :01:54. | |
night bit scale of the scored. -- disorder. Emergency? I need police | :01:55. | :01:58. | |
assistance immediately. They're in the shop, taking everything. | :01:58. | :02:05. | |
They're coming towards us. How many youths are there? | :02:05. | :02:11. | |
Absolutely hundreds. This is my livelihood. Are you safe where are | :02:11. | :02:17. | |
you? I'm in the middle of it all. They're just crazy. What the hell | :02:17. | :02:23. | |
is happening in Manchester tonight? The man who has to answer to | :02:23. | :02:26. | |
Manchester's public is the chief constable, Peter Fahy. | :02:26. | :02:30. | |
Tell us why you think this happened? We think it happened here | :02:30. | :02:33. | |
because a certain group of people saw what was happening in London | :02:33. | :02:36. | |
and decided, they seemed to be getting away with it, the | :02:36. | :02:39. | |
authorities weren't in control. They decided they wanted their | :02:39. | :02:43. | |
opportunity. It was as simple as some guy watching TV and thinked | :02:43. | :02:48. | |
he's got a TV for free, I want one. Absolutely. It was because of what | :02:48. | :02:53. | |
was on the television and that mob hysteria took over. Was it really | :02:53. | :02:57. | |
just copy-cat criminality, which left police facing a damage bill of | :02:57. | :03:03. | |
�9 billion? Where did you hear about the riots? Jeefr where. It | :03:03. | :03:07. | |
was -- everywhere. It was on the news. I went in to get some | :03:07. | :03:12. | |
cigarettes. Or does the explanation lie elsewhere. Everyone's sick of | :03:12. | :03:16. | |
the way things are. They're working a nine to five, in a factory every | :03:16. | :03:24. | |
day. I come out of work and I can't afford what I want to do still. | :03:24. | :03:27. | |
It's four days since the riots started in London, and Manchester | :03:27. | :03:32. | |
has so far escaped unscathed. But rumours are circulating that its | :03:32. | :03:38. | |
luck is about to run out. To reassure the public, police travel | :03:38. | :03:42. | |
in large numbers to Manchester City centre,. For the man in charge on | :03:42. | :03:48. | |
the ground, there is little sign of the mayhem to come. One of the main | :03:48. | :03:53. | |
recollections of the day is that 2.50pm, everything was quiet in | :03:53. | :03:57. | |
Piccadilly Gardens. Little did I realise about 50 minutes later I | :03:57. | :03:59. | |
would be deployed in Salford and that was the start of the things to | :03:59. | :04:03. | |
come for the rest of the evening. Immediately to the west of | :04:03. | :04:09. | |
Manchester's city centre lies Salford, home to 230,000. | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
Predominantly white, with above- average unemployment and ranked the | :04:13. | :04:22. | |
15th most deprived air why in the country. Raaz Fathwilkar live above | :04:22. | :04:28. | |
his electronics shop. So far it was business as usual. It was OK, until | :04:28. | :04:32. | |
about 2pm. Then there was like local people saying there's trouble | :04:32. | :04:37. | |
coming in Manchester. Then I said, there can't be. It looks normal, | :04:37. | :04:42. | |
everything normal. After 3.30pm, suddenly it's changed. | :04:42. | :04:46. | |
The neighbourhood is about to become a battleground. | :04:47. | :04:52. | |
Around Salford's central shopping precinct, anxious shop keepers | :04:52. | :04:57. | |
report threatening behaviour. In back streets like Brydon Close | :04:57. | :05:03. | |
police film youths breaking up bricks and breeze blocks. At 3.35pm, | :05:03. | :05:07. | |
riot police take to the streets. were faced with multiple numbers, | :05:07. | :05:13. | |
in excess of 100. The entrance to the estates all armed with bricks | :05:13. | :05:16. | |
and sticks. As soon as we alighted from our vehicles, we were under | :05:17. | :05:26. | |
attack. Faced with an aggressive mob, Craig | :05:26. | :05:33. | |
Thompson has to respond. Arrests are problematic, because everyone | :05:33. | :05:38. | |
you arrest, it takes two or three officers. So the tactic was | :05:38. | :05:41. | |
dispersal, which we did robustly through initial baton charges with | :05:41. | :05:49. | |
officers. The initial intention, it was clear, | :05:49. | :05:53. | |
was to cause massive disruption and use high levels of violence towards | :05:53. | :05:57. | |
the police. Having worked closely with the Salford community for 17 | :05:57. | :06:04. | |
years, Alec McFadden is not surprised at the aggression shown | :06:04. | :06:08. | |
to the police. Salford is one of the most deprived communities in | :06:08. | :06:14. | |
Britain. You have a anti- establishment strong feeling across | :06:14. | :06:18. | |
the whole of Salford, in areas like this, across the country. Whether | :06:18. | :06:23. | |
you're a policeman, whether you're a civil servant, a Social Security | :06:23. | :06:29. | |
or a banker, you're the enemy. Simple as that. As the night-long | :06:29. | :06:38. | |
battle for Salford begins, word spreads that the riots have arrived. | :06:38. | :06:44. | |
In Manchester city centre, police advise businesses to close early. | :06:45. | :06:48. | |
You could feel the atmosphere. Every street corner, every nook and | :06:48. | :06:54. | |
cranny you went down, there were guys with hoods up, looking shifty. | :06:54. | :06:59. | |
We didn't want to stay open, didn't feel safe. The tension in the air. | :06:59. | :07:02. | |
You could tell something was going to happen. But while most people | :07:02. | :07:10. | |
are leaving Manchester, call centre worker Ricky Gemmill is walking | :07:10. | :07:16. | |
through the centre to see his goi. There were people in balaclavas, | :07:16. | :07:20. | |
fully covered up. There were people crying. It was chaos. I think | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
personally it was not intimidating for myself, but for other people, I | :07:24. | :07:29. | |
think it would have been pretty bad. As the last workers flee, the mood | :07:29. | :07:38. | |
turns threatening. I had a black guy on a bike circle me a couple of | :07:38. | :07:42. | |
times. He started laughing. I was just said to him "What are you | :07:42. | :07:48. | |
laughing about mate." He said, "You don't realise how lucky you are. If | :07:48. | :07:53. | |
you weren't black, I'd have robbed you, your keys and your store right | :07:53. | :07:56. | |
now." I started to feel nervous about the situation. The streets | :07:56. | :08:06. | |
are no longer safe. The violence and the looting begin. There were | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
only a couple of people who started ripping the shutters off and | :08:09. | :08:12. | |
everything. Then everybody jumped on the band wagon and joined in. | :08:12. | :08:17. | |
Within an hour, police receive more than 400 emergency calls, many from | :08:17. | :08:25. | |
panicked shop keepers and horrified onlookers. Emergency? A cash | :08:25. | :08:30. | |
generator has been broken into by the rioters. How many broken in? | :08:30. | :08:36. | |
100. Oh, God. In the city centre 120 riot police are trying to cover | :08:36. | :08:40. | |
a square kilometre. A police helicopter keeps watch to | :08:40. | :08:47. | |
coordinate responses. With police on the ground overstretched, | :08:47. | :08:53. | |
undefended businesses are ransacked, as looters seize their chance. | :08:53. | :09:00. | |
I just think people have walked out the shop and guys saying "Go in. Go | :09:00. | :09:06. | |
in." Next thing I know, the police are there. | :09:06. | :09:11. | |
Incident flare aup cross the city centre N broad daylight, a rioter | :09:11. | :09:18. | |
sets light to Miss Selfridge. Then CCTV captures the moment the | :09:18. | :09:20. | |
Arndale Centre, the city's main shopping mall is stormed and | :09:20. | :09:27. | |
breached. Police are quickly on the scene. | :09:27. | :09:33. | |
Standing outside in a precinct is Ricky Gemmell. He's not been part | :09:33. | :09:38. | |
of the looting, but now his way is blocked by the police advance. | :09:38. | :09:41. | |
aim wasn't to go out and riot. It was just to get out of town. I | :09:41. | :09:45. | |
wasn't able to, because of the police. Police try to drive the | :09:45. | :09:50. | |
crowds away from the area and through the precinct. One of them | :09:50. | :09:54. | |
pushed me. I've turned around and said, "Do what you want, don't push | :09:54. | :10:02. | |
me." He said to me, "Just move on you (BLEEP)" Ricky is heard | :10:02. | :10:07. | |
threatening the officer, something he denies. As I turned round the | :10:07. | :10:10. | |
riot police have dived on me and put me to the ground. They've put | :10:10. | :10:14. | |
in the van and took me to the police station. | :10:14. | :10:17. | |
Ricky is destined for a dubious distinction. He's charged with a | :10:17. | :10:21. | |
public order offence and becomes the first in the country to be | :10:21. | :10:30. | |
jailed for involvement in the riots. In Salford the campaign to restore | :10:30. | :10:34. | |
order is faltering. Several fires have been started and the police | :10:34. | :10:41. | |
are now pinned down in unfamiliar territory. Here it's their pitch | :10:41. | :10:44. | |
and their rules. They know the area better than us. Because they've lit | :10:44. | :10:48. | |
the fires, we're answering to them. Whole units are needed to protect | :10:48. | :10:52. | |
the fire crews from attack, which gives looters free run of the | :10:52. | :10:55. | |
shopping precinct. 500 metres away, in the violent struggle around | :10:55. | :11:03. | |
Brydon Close, the police suspect that this is no random mob. | :11:03. | :11:09. | |
I could tell that by the tactics there was a level of organisation. | :11:09. | :11:13. | |
Vehicles were burnt, blocking dual carriageways. They built some fence | :11:13. | :11:16. | |
as cross the road. You felt like sometimes you were being led into a | :11:17. | :11:24. | |
trap. Possibly into an area where lots of weapons had been stored | :11:24. | :11:29. | |
ready for further attacks. Groups were getting larger. The violence | :11:29. | :11:38. | |
had started to escalate to a grand scale. There's between 500 and 800 | :11:38. | :11:42. | |
coming towards 30 cops. We need back up now. The police are on the | :11:42. | :11:50. | |
back foot as mob rule takes hold. I've never done nothing like this | :11:50. | :12:00. | |
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The streets are now out of anyone's control. | :12:10. | :12:14. | |
It was such an increase in violence towards the police, than I think | :12:14. | :12:18. | |
any resources we would have had wouldn't have been enough. At 7.30, | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
with the fire crews out of harm's way, Craig Thompson gives the order | :12:22. | :12:27. | |
for the police to pull back from the heart of Salford. These new | :12:27. | :12:32. | |
vans at the top end of Salford, get into your vans and withdraw, please. | :12:32. | :12:36. | |
Withdraw from the area. The police are simply outnumbered. They need | :12:36. | :12:40. | |
to regroup and they need more resources. If a unit got isolated, | :12:40. | :12:45. | |
they would have taken a severe punishment, I think from the crowd | :12:45. | :12:52. | |
that were there. Watching the police move out, Raaz Fathwilkar | :12:52. | :12:57. | |
decide today was time to do the same. I was thinking, if I say here, | :12:57. | :13:01. | |
it's danger for the kids. Not about me or my wife, it's the kids. I | :13:01. | :13:06. | |
left the shop from the back. rioters briefly have the streets to | :13:06. | :13:11. | |
themselves and seize their opportunity. Only the police | :13:11. | :13:13. | |
helicopter remains, gathering vital images for the investigation to | :13:13. | :13:18. | |
come. You've got a car on fire on the car | :13:18. | :13:23. | |
park at lidle. There's looting going on at lidle. There's no | :13:23. | :13:29. | |
police there at all. Lidle supermarket is looted and torched. | :13:30. | :13:35. | |
Then a gang breaks into Raaz's shop. They tear his business apart and | :13:35. | :13:45. | |
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then move into his family's home, You can see there, there's nothing | :13:47. | :13:56. | |
left. There's no word to say. Human person can't do this, they're evil. | :13:56. | :14:04. | |
Only evil person can do this. you think that Greater Manchester | :14:04. | :14:08. | |
Police failed that night? No, I don't think we failed. I don't | :14:08. | :14:12. | |
think local people feel we failed that night. Are we angry at what | :14:12. | :14:16. | |
happened? Yes. We care passionate about this city. We've agonised | :14:16. | :14:19. | |
over this. I don't think there was more we could have done. It was | :14:19. | :14:23. | |
just down to the size of the mob and the way they organised | :14:23. | :14:27. | |
themselves. You sent 100 officers who were trained in public disorder | :14:27. | :14:32. | |
to London. I'm guessing, as you saw it unravel in Manchester, you wish | :14:32. | :14:35. | |
you hadn't. Not really no. We knew what was critical, there needed to | :14:35. | :14:38. | |
be control of London. That was creating more and more copy-cat | :14:39. | :14:42. | |
violence up here. Because actually you feel you can stop it happening | :14:42. | :14:46. | |
in Manchester if London gets control? With hindsight, if London | :14:46. | :14:49. | |
had been under control sooner, we probably wouldn't have faced the | :14:49. | :14:59. | |
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In Salford, Manchester Police are bolstered by officers from 10 other | :15:02. | :15:07. | |
forces. They are preparing to go back out. It is now thought that | :15:08. | :15:11. | |
underworld figures are among the mob, with their own motives for | :15:11. | :15:17. | |
attacking the police. In recent times the police have been | :15:17. | :15:22. | |
intensifying some of their work against organised crime, and they | :15:22. | :15:28. | |
feel they have been pretty successful. There is a view on the | :15:28. | :15:30. | |
street that some of the aggravation could have been linked directly to | :15:30. | :15:36. | |
that, people who had been affected by the clampdown, if you like, | :15:36. | :15:43. | |
retaliating, or, more lightly, winding local people up. Three | :15:43. | :15:49. | |
miles east, in Manchester City Centre, the disorder escalates. | :15:49. | :15:53. | |
Among those who have travelled in from surrounding areas are | :15:53. | :16:00. | |
organised groups alive to opportunity. 1 gang hit Bang & | :16:00. | :16:08. | |
Olufsen, leaving the high end hi-fi out late with a bill for �200,000. | :16:08. | :16:13. | |
The owner returns to try to salvage some stock, when a second wave of | :16:13. | :16:21. | |
looters get there. There was a looter over there, basically saying, | :16:21. | :16:27. | |
pass me the hi-fi system. It was quite frightening to be effectively | :16:27. | :16:33. | |
trapped, because that's our exit. He retreats to the storeroom, while | :16:33. | :16:42. | |
the gang clean out his business. After 15 minutes, a riot squad | :16:42. | :16:48. | |
arrived. The amount of police working in the city was just too | :16:48. | :16:52. | |
many, hitting too many places at the same time. You could see them, | :16:52. | :16:57. | |
they came to my shop, and instantly they had to go somewhere else. | :16:57. | :17:02. | |
Manchester, police regained control by 11pm, and made more than 100 | :17:02. | :17:06. | |
arrests. But in Salford, their colleagues could make only 12 all | :17:06. | :17:11. | |
night. There, they are dealing with aggression, the like of which most | :17:11. | :17:21. | |
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It's the end of the St! It was like a war-zone. Sergeant Ian Cunningham | :17:45. | :17:49. | |
has been facing the violence for eight hours. Mentally, it affects | :17:49. | :17:53. | |
you. I have certainly never seen that level of violence towards | :17:53. | :17:59. | |
police officers before. But the night is about to come to an abrupt | :17:59. | :18:07. | |
end for Sergeant Ian Cunningham. literally came out of nowhere, it | :18:07. | :18:10. | |
was a large breeze block, and it must have travelled at least 30 | :18:10. | :18:16. | |
yards. As it hit my ankle, it knocked my leg from underneath me, | :18:16. | :18:26. | |
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sending me to the floor. The crowd started cheering when I was hit and | :18:26. | :18:30. | |
sent to the floor. Sergeant Cunningham is taken to hospital, | :18:30. | :18:34. | |
his body armour saves him from serious injury. His colleagues | :18:34. | :18:38. | |
press on into the night, and finally regain control. Throughout | :18:38. | :18:47. | |
the night, 68 officers are injured by missiles, 40 of them in Salford. | :18:47. | :18:52. | |
Outnumbered, under resourced and fearing for their lives - that is | :18:52. | :18:54. | |
how one Manchester officer described the mood among his | :18:54. | :18:58. | |
colleagues that night. The Chief Constable of Manchester told me | :18:58. | :19:03. | |
that he might never have had the problems he had if London had got | :19:03. | :19:07. | |
control sooner. So, how effective was the policing across England | :19:07. | :19:13. | |
that week? These are testing times for the minister responsible. | :19:13. | :19:18. | |
Clearly, it appeared to the public that at times, the police were | :19:18. | :19:22. | |
standing off. Actually, sometimes the police were explaining that | :19:22. | :19:27. | |
they were waiting forces of friends -- for sufficient resources. But I | :19:27. | :19:31. | |
think it is common ground that the police want to be able to deal with | :19:31. | :19:36. | |
these situations very swiftly, to make sure that there is a rapid | :19:36. | :19:40. | |
response if anything like this happens again. Greater Manchester | :19:40. | :19:44. | |
police are facing budget cuts of �50 million. And they say that even | :19:44. | :19:49. | |
now they have not got enough resources... There will still be | :19:49. | :19:53. | |
something like 6,500 officers in Manchester. To suggest that the | :19:53. | :20:00. | |
cuts play any part in this, you know, it had only just started, so | :20:00. | :20:10. | |
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you cannot use that in relation to On Wednesday 10th August, the | :20:12. | :20:17. | |
people of Greater Manchester are waiting -- waking up to find their | :20:17. | :20:23. | |
neighbourhoods ransacked. I need to know who did it. Whoever did it, | :20:23. | :20:28. | |
they need to get punished. response from Greater Manchester | :20:28. | :20:34. | |
Police was immediate. Hundreds and hundreds of people, we have your | :20:34. | :20:41. | |
image, we have your face, we have your acts of wanton criminality on | :20:41. | :20:49. | |
film. We are coming for you from today. In one of the biggest | :20:49. | :20:51. | |
investigations in the history of Greater Manchester Police, 220 | :20:51. | :20:57. | |
officers are now dedicated to hunting down the rioters. The man | :20:57. | :21:04. | |
leading the investigation is Detective Chief Inspector Bob Tonge. | :21:04. | :21:12. | |
27 years in the police service, I have never seen anything like this. | :21:12. | :21:15. | |
Did Greater Manchester Police see this coming? Guess, we did. What we | :21:15. | :21:18. | |
this coming? Guess, we did. What we did not expect was the scale. This | :21:18. | :21:22. | |
is just a small selection. This is by no means the number of offenders | :21:22. | :21:27. | |
that we have had. The team is now looking for at least 700 suspects | :21:27. | :21:32. | |
from more than 300 crime scenes. The images on this wall have been | :21:32. | :21:37. | |
generated by a specialist unit. 112 people are studying thousands of | :21:37. | :21:43. | |
hours of video footage, intent on identifying offenders. It is a big | :21:43. | :21:47. | |
challenge for the leader of the team. It is a massive investigation. | :21:47. | :21:51. | |
Normally, we would be looking for five or six offenders, possibly | :21:52. | :21:57. | |
just one. On this occasion, we are looking for hundreds. Many rioters | :21:57. | :22:01. | |
are easily identified, but more experienced law-breakers had taken | :22:01. | :22:07. | |
precautions. You will see a small piece of footage where they have | :22:07. | :22:10. | |
turned a car over in the middle of Salford, jumping on top of it, | :22:10. | :22:15. | |
setting fire to it, but because the camera is quite far away, we cannot | :22:15. | :22:21. | |
get a facial image. This suspected arsonist is tracked on footage | :22:21. | :22:27. | |
throughout the day. He is shown attacking police. The next footage | :22:27. | :22:31. | |
you pick up could even be from somebody's hand-held mobile phone, | :22:31. | :22:36. | |
where they have been able to get a close-up of the face. Images like | :22:36. | :22:40. | |
this go out to the media, and across the force. The meticulous | :22:40. | :22:44. | |
work is paying off, and now some of the faceless, hooded criminals have | :22:44. | :22:51. | |
names and addresses. As soon as they're identified, we will go and | :22:51. | :22:58. | |
get them. Whatever crime they have committed, if they get identified, | :22:58. | :23:08. | |
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Police, open the door! In the first eight weeks of the investigation, | :23:18. | :23:24. | |
police made more than 200 arrests. As the culprits are brought in, a | :23:24. | :23:34. | |
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picture develops of exactly who took part in the riots. From | :23:35. | :23:39. | |
organised criminals who picked their targets to 12-year-old | :23:39. | :23:44. | |
children caught up in the madness. From the theft of a �5,000 plasma | :23:44. | :23:48. | |
TV to someone stealing a packet of go nuts. What is striking is the | :23:48. | :23:56. | |
range of criminality. But from this chaotic wave of offending, patterns | :23:56. | :24:00. | |
do start to emerge. This matter of Salford and Manchester gives us a | :24:00. | :24:05. | |
rough idea of where the rioters came from. The areas in red are | :24:05. | :24:10. | |
ranked among the poorest 5% of neighbourhoods in the country. If | :24:10. | :24:15. | |
we plot the addresses of the 71 adult offenders so far convicted, | :24:15. | :24:19. | |
around half come from these most impoverished neighbourhoods. Of | :24:19. | :24:23. | |
those brought before the court, 45% are claiming benefits related to | :24:23. | :24:28. | |
being out of work, while more than a third are under 17. Under | :24:28. | :24:35. | |
interview, police start to get answers to the key question, why? | :24:35. | :24:39. | |
This man from Salford, a 20-year- old father, has a history of | :24:39. | :24:49. | |
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17-year-old Joshua Penney had no previous convictions, but stole a | :24:54. | :25:04. | |
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packet of cigarettes. For him, it While for 18-year-old Michael | :25:11. | :25:16. | |
Fitzpatrick, who had had a private education and aspirations of going | :25:16. | :25:20. | |
to university, stealing from shops like Foot Asylum was about | :25:20. | :25:30. | |
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Until political reasoning gives way For me, they have nothing to hang | :25:43. | :25:50. | |
it on, this is just want and criminality. Of the 203 Manchester | :25:50. | :25:55. | |
rioters so far charged, more than 80% already have criminal records. | :25:55. | :26:00. | |
Nationally, that figure is around 75%. The Ministry of Justice says | :26:00. | :26:05. | |
it's the legacy of a broken penal system. But if the system is broken, | :26:05. | :26:10. | |
then why are we simply handing out heavier sentences to the rioters? | :26:10. | :26:13. | |
There is a contradiction, because the solution to the riots seems to | :26:13. | :26:18. | |
be a prison, because the courts brought in longer sentences. You're | :26:18. | :26:21. | |
seeming to imply that because prison is not doing its job | :26:21. | :26:26. | |
properly at the moment, the answer is to stop sending people to prison. | :26:26. | :26:30. | |
That is not the right solution at all. The solution is to say, we | :26:30. | :26:34. | |
have got to make the prison system work. But was it right that there | :26:34. | :26:38. | |
were exemplary sentences handed down for those who took part in | :26:38. | :26:42. | |
these riots, disrupted the community, attacked police officers, | :26:42. | :26:46. | |
of course it was right. Because their behaviour in those riots was | :26:46. | :26:53. | |
completely unacceptable. Ricky Gemmell, who was caught up in the | :26:53. | :26:58. | |
riots, believes that his 16 weeks sentence for threatening behaviour | :26:58. | :27:04. | |
was too harsh. It has cost him his job, and in an area with bleak | :27:04. | :27:12. | |
employment prospects, things do not look good for him. Under normal | :27:12. | :27:16. | |
circumstances, the sentence would not have been that harsh. I do not | :27:16. | :27:20. | |
agree that because it was a riot, that we should get harsher | :27:20. | :27:26. | |
sentences, that's not right. But, for the Chief Constable, tougher | :27:26. | :27:34. | |
sentences for all crimes related to the riots are essential. I totally | :27:34. | :27:39. | |
support the longer prison sentences, to say, if you as an individual go | :27:39. | :27:46. | |
out and shoplift, that's bad, but if you go out in a mob, it is far | :27:46. | :27:52. | |
more serious, because it threatens society itself. We are a thin blue | :27:52. | :27:55. | |
line, as police officers. The system will only work if the vast | :27:55. | :28:00. | |
majority of people observe the law. Footwell hours in August, that Thin | :28:00. | :28:04. | |
Blue Line was tested like never before. The argument over why the | :28:04. | :28:09. | |
riots happened will continue. But today, hundreds of culprits remain | :28:09. | :28:18. | |
at large. If they think they have got away with it, think again. The | :28:18. | :28:22. | |
public want them catching. As long as the public have got a taste for | :28:22. | :28:28. | |
it, we have got a taste for it. Next week, on Panorama, would you | :28:28. | :28:32. |