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Tonight: Why we are paying out millions of pounds of public money. | :00:09. | :00:13. | |
And why are we asking for almost nothing in return? What did you get | :00:13. | :00:19. | |
last year? I got �1.3 million. �1.3 million? Yes. How money that | :00:19. | :00:23. | |
is meant to help preserve our countryside is divert for private | :00:23. | :00:27. | |
profit. It's a system that is broken a | :00:27. | :00:31. | |
system that's corrupt, a system that's abused and public money | :00:31. | :00:35. | |
going to people who don't need it And those getting rich as a result. | :00:35. | :00:40. | |
Do you own a farm? No. I am clearly not rural in any way. I don't even | :00:40. | :00:46. | |
own a pair of wellies. Tonight, Panorama exposes the money | :00:46. | :00:52. | |
farmers by joining them. We track down the wealthy people paid large | :00:52. | :01:02. | |
sums of public money. The starkest warning yet of the | :01:02. | :01:09. | |
spending cuts to come... This is the unavoidable Budget. �6 billion | :01:09. | :01:14. | |
of spending cuts... Many of reduce fighting for our jobs, benefits, | :01:14. | :01:22. | |
capped or cut, but is everyone facing the same, hard times? There | :01:22. | :01:27. | |
is one area of public spending that is not being cut. | :01:27. | :01:32. | |
We spend around �3.5 billion a year on farming subsidies, but what are | :01:32. | :01:40. | |
we getting for our money? To answer that question, I travelled to a | :01:40. | :01:44. | |
well-heeled part of Edinburgh. This is Paul Millan. He's a townie | :01:44. | :01:48. | |
through and through. Making his money on upmarket property | :01:48. | :01:52. | |
developments like this one, a �1 million town house. | :01:52. | :01:55. | |
This one will stay as a dwelling house. | :01:55. | :02:03. | |
So this is not for you to buy for you? No, this is another property | :02:03. | :02:06. | |
development. Paul's business is thriving, but he | :02:06. | :02:11. | |
has a sideline going on. A lucrative one. He's found a way of | :02:11. | :02:14. | |
tapping into a private source of public money. | :02:14. | :02:21. | |
I own a farming subsidy, that I bought in 2006. | :02:21. | :02:26. | |
On Ann newel basis I claim that farming subsidy. So, although it | :02:26. | :02:31. | |
seems a little odd officially, I am legally a farmer as well. | :02:31. | :02:36. | |
Do you own a farm? No. I am clearly not rural in any way. I don't even | :02:37. | :02:42. | |
own a pair of wellies. Confused? So was I, but Paul Millan | :02:42. | :02:47. | |
has discovered a loophole in the farming subsidy system. It allows | :02:47. | :02:52. | |
him, basically, to get lots, and lots of public money, which was | :02:52. | :02:58. | |
meant to go to farmers. You thought, kerching, that is a | :02:59. | :03:03. | |
money opportunity? Absolutely. I have been able to do it, I've been | :03:03. | :03:08. | |
smart enough to do it, but it is odd. No doubt. | :03:08. | :03:10. | |
A happy odd when you get the cheques? Absolutely. | :03:10. | :03:15. | |
The loophole is giving Paul a very good return on his investment.. | :03:15. | :03:21. | |
It will be about 275 times on my initial investment. | :03:21. | :03:28. | |
That is a massive return? It is huge. With the benefit of hindsight | :03:28. | :03:31. | |
I would have sold everything that I own, including my own house, to | :03:31. | :03:36. | |
have this type of investment with this return. It is over 30% a year. | :03:36. | :03:41. | |
Paul Millan is clearly a man with an ie for a deal. In the past five | :03:41. | :03:46. | |
years, he has doubled his money -- eye. So far, he's been paid almost | :03:46. | :03:50. | |
a quarter of a million pounds in public cash. It is effectively an | :03:50. | :03:54. | |
investment guaranteeed by the state. If he had put his money in | :03:54. | :03:59. | |
Government bonds, he would have been lucky to get a return of 4% or | :03:59. | :04:08. | |
5% a year. Now if what pall is saying is right, | :04:08. | :04:12. | |
it sounds like money for doing absolutely nothing. To a hard- | :04:12. | :04:18. | |
working person like me, that seems like a good deal. If he can do it, | :04:18. | :04:24. | |
then I can too, but first, how does the loophole itself work? Well, | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
farmers get financial support in the form of a Government subsidy | :04:28. | :04:32. | |
payment for every hectare of land that they have. In this example, | :04:32. | :04:38. | |
our farmer has ten hectares. Each is worth �100 in subsidy. It is ten | :04:38. | :04:43. | |
times �100, that is �1,000 a year from the Government. Well, us, it | :04:43. | :04:48. | |
is public money, after all. Now, he can sell the right or the | :04:48. | :04:53. | |
entitlement to claim that money to anyone he likes. So an investor | :04:53. | :04:58. | |
like Paul Millan buy it is from the farmer. The farmer walks away with | :04:58. | :05:03. | |
a one-off lump sum in his pocket. Now all the investor has to do is | :05:03. | :05:08. | |
rent ten hectares of any land, now the Government pays the investor | :05:08. | :05:12. | |
�1,000 eefr year. He doesn't have to farm -- every year. He doesn't | :05:12. | :05:17. | |
have to farm, the obligation is to keep the land in good condition. | :05:17. | :05:22. | |
Which, the barren ground rented for by investors means just leaving it | :05:22. | :05:27. | |
alone, but this is not what the farming subsidy system was meant to | :05:27. | :05:33. | |
be used for. Its roots lie in the end of the Second World War. | :05:33. | :05:37. | |
ADVERTISEMENT: Among the workers are boys putting in their week of | :05:37. | :05:40. | |
working. There was a fear that Europe may | :05:40. | :05:47. | |
not be able to feed itself. That led to farmers getting spoth from | :05:47. | :05:51. | |
public bodies. But our investigation suggests that it is | :05:51. | :05:57. | |
not all going where it should. You can get small farmers or non- | :05:57. | :06:03. | |
farmers who buy the entitlements and rent land that produce s very, | :06:03. | :06:09. | |
relittle and gain all of the subsidy. That's a, to my mind, a | :06:09. | :06:13. | |
startling abuse of the system. We can reveal for the first time, | :06:14. | :06:19. | |
the full extent of the abuse of the subsidy system. Different rules | :06:19. | :06:23. | |
apply to different parts of the UK. We have discovered that the | :06:23. | :06:27. | |
Scottish Government is paying out huge sums of money to people who | :06:27. | :06:32. | |
are not actively farming the land. Their own estimate, prepared for us, | :06:32. | :06:36. | |
is that figure could be anywhere between �3 million and �30 million | :06:36. | :06:46. | |
a year. But how easy would it be for anyone, | :06:46. | :06:51. | |
including me, to get their hands on some of that cash? First, he to | :06:51. | :06:55. | |
register myself as a farmer. There was not a test. I did not need land. | :06:55. | :07:00. | |
I just had to fill in a simple form. What's just arrived is what I've | :07:00. | :07:05. | |
been waiting for. It is a letter from the Scottish Government. It is | :07:05. | :07:10. | |
to say that my business, Sam's Farming is now official. It | :07:10. | :07:14. | |
basically means that as of now, I am a farmer. | :07:14. | :07:19. | |
So, step one of exploiting the loophole is completed. Step two is | :07:19. | :07:24. | |
to buy the right to claim the subsidy. Moving on to the next lot. | :07:24. | :07:32. | |
Lot 11 is ours. Fingers crossed. No bids yet. It is all very | :07:32. | :07:37. | |
civilised doing it this way. I quite like being a farmer. On this | :07:37. | :07:40. | |
live auction website, farmers owning subsidy entitlements can | :07:40. | :07:45. | |
sell them to other farmers or investors like me. Oh, we are | :07:45. | :07:53. | |
winning! I'm winning. I am the current buyer of these entitlements. | :07:53. | :07:57. | |
Sold to remote buyer, that's me, I think. | :07:57. | :08:01. | |
The transaction is successful. I have just bought my first | :08:01. | :08:06. | |
entitlements. Fantastic. All I have to do now is attach that | :08:06. | :08:10. | |
entitlement to a piece of empty land, do nothing and the Government | :08:10. | :08:20. | |
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will pay me as a farmer. So now I've got a whole new life | :08:22. | :08:30. | |
ahead of me. A lady of leisure. I might get myself just one cow to | :08:30. | :08:38. | |
keep me company, but no muddy farms for me. | :08:38. | :08:43. | |
That might seem like a dream, but others are using the loophole to | :08:43. | :08:48. | |
generate serious money. I'm in the middle of a field in | :08:48. | :08:51. | |
Sutherland, the reason why is because Balnacoil Estates is just a | :08:51. | :08:56. | |
few miles over the hills. Last year, that estate attracted almost half a | :08:56. | :09:02. | |
million pounds in public subsidies. We have spoken to local farmers and | :09:02. | :09:06. | |
checked with the experts and no-one thinks that there is a farming | :09:06. | :09:09. | |
business here. So we are tpwing to have a little look at Balnacoil | :09:09. | :09:13. | |
Estates. -- we are going to have a little look at Balnacoil Estates. | :09:13. | :09:19. | |
Our suspicion is that they are using the naked acres, as they are | :09:19. | :09:24. | |
called, to exploit the subsidy, but on a bigger scale. | :09:24. | :09:29. | |
We know that Balnacoil Estates has been buying up lots of subsidy | :09:29. | :09:33. | |
entitlements. You just have to look to see that they have a ready | :09:33. | :09:37. | |
supply of acres. It is incredible. Balnacoil Estates is not a farm. It | :09:37. | :09:42. | |
is a sporting estate where the owners or guests can fish for | :09:42. | :09:47. | |
salmon or shoot wild deer. Our research shows that after this | :09:47. | :09:53. | |
estate was purchased for �3.5 million, the Danish other than | :09:53. | :09:58. | |
bought entitlements worth nearly half a million. That means that a | :09:58. | :10:00. | |
foreign multi-millionaire is being paid this country's public money, | :10:00. | :10:08. | |
but for what? Well, I have seen a couple of lochs, and deer, but no | :10:08. | :10:12. | |
much farming. In fact, I have not seen any farming yet. I'm looking... | :10:12. | :10:17. | |
I'm looking hard, but nothing. Actually, there is some sheep. | :10:17. | :10:24. | |
I think that counts as farming. We've found no evidence of a | :10:24. | :10:28. | |
significant farming business here. Certainly not one that might | :10:28. | :10:33. | |
justify a pay-out on the scale that the estate is getting. The other | :10:33. | :10:38. | |
than is Peter Nissen. He made his money selling outsized clothing for | :10:38. | :10:42. | |
the larger customer in Scandinavia. We put our findings to him of the | :10:42. | :10:48. | |
fact that he claims almost half a million pounds a year, despite | :10:48. | :10:53. | |
doing no significant farming. He refused to answer our questions. | :10:53. | :10:57. | |
It is scandalous. I think that is a very good example of a system that | :10:57. | :11:00. | |
is broken, a system that's corrupt, a system that's been abused and | :11:00. | :11:10. | |
public money that is going to people, who frankly don't need it | :11:10. | :11:18. | |
I met up with someone to talk to about this. | :11:18. | :11:23. | |
Stephen Strathdee is one of Britain's biggest recipients of | :11:23. | :11:30. | |
farming subsidy. Sitting here alone is how much? It is over �1 million | :11:30. | :11:38. | |
here. They are well over �1 million. The combines? They are up to | :11:38. | :11:43. | |
�200,000 -plus. He and his wife, Freida, own 39 farms. | :11:43. | :11:50. | |
You must be worth quite a lot of money? OK! I'm not complaining! | :11:50. | :11:57. | |
Seriously, though, you must have a few pounds in the pocket? Aye. Well, | :11:57. | :12:03. | |
worth about �50M net worth. �50 million by anyone's standards | :12:03. | :12:07. | |
is a large sum of money. Stephen Strathdee is not someone who seems | :12:07. | :12:12. | |
in desperate need of public cash. Yet that is exactly what he is | :12:12. | :12:18. | |
getting. In terms of a farming subsidy, how | :12:18. | :12:25. | |
much do you get? What did you get last year? I got �1.3 million. | :12:25. | :12:31. | |
million, that is a lot. Do you actually need public money to fund | :12:31. | :12:35. | |
a business and your worth, which is tens of millions? Do you need that | :12:35. | :12:39. | |
public money? Yes, we need to do the farming unless we would not be | :12:39. | :12:43. | |
producing the food. We could hot do without it. It would be pointless | :12:43. | :12:50. | |
to do it. You would not make a profit. It would be a big loss. | :12:50. | :12:54. | |
Stephen Strathdee wanted us to see his active farm business, but he is | :12:54. | :13:01. | |
also a major trader in entitlements. He spent around �3 million in | :13:01. | :13:06. | |
buying them up and attaching they will them to empty land. In return, | :13:06. | :13:12. | |
he is getting back millions more in money. What does the taxpayer get | :13:12. | :13:17. | |
in return? It is not just me that gets the benefit. The farmers pay | :13:17. | :13:22. | |
tax on sale of the entitlements. The money that I borrow, the bank | :13:22. | :13:27. | |
gets a profit off it. It keeps people in work. But how does | :13:27. | :13:29. | |
Stephen Strathdee defend himself from critics who say that the | :13:29. | :13:35. | |
system should not be paying him for using the loophole? It is a system. | :13:35. | :13:40. | |
It is in place. We stay within the rules. | :13:40. | :13:45. | |
If they want to change it to get new rules, then we will look at how | :13:45. | :13:50. | |
it works in the future. So, Stephen Strathdee says he just | :13:50. | :13:57. | |
does what the rules allow him to do. After all, he is a businessman. He | :13:57. | :14:03. | |
invests in forestry, wind farms, developing housing, the subsidy | :14:03. | :14:07. | |
loophole is no different. The profits go back into his business, | :14:07. | :14:12. | |
but where there are winners, there are losers too. In much of the UK, | :14:12. | :14:22. | |
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the system discriminates against helping out on his father's farm in | :14:25. | :14:27. | |
Powys. It is a beautiful view out there. | :14:27. | :14:31. | |
You cannot beat this kind of farmingment once it is in your | :14:31. | :14:36. | |
blood you just want to carry on. But for a young farmer like Marc, | :14:36. | :14:41. | |
the system that allows those with deep pockets to benefit from | :14:41. | :14:46. | |
subsidy entitlements acts against him. As well as finding the capital | :14:46. | :14:52. | |
to buy livestock and rent the land, he needs to find the money to buy | :14:52. | :14:58. | |
the subsity entitlement when the banks are not lending. Why buy the | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
entitlements? That should come with the farm that you have? No, it does | :15:02. | :15:06. | |
not. The system was set up on a traditional basis. So what the | :15:06. | :15:09. | |
farmers were getting ten years ago is basically how they have set it | :15:09. | :15:14. | |
up now. So anyone new coming in to the industry has to buy | :15:14. | :15:24. | |
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entitlements, which is a bit of an Without single farm payment and | :15:27. | :15:31. | |
entitlements, the farm doesn't make any money at all. Mark is stuck | :15:31. | :15:36. | |
helping out his dad, despite being desperate to start his own farm. | :15:36. | :15:41. | |
That's because the payments farmers get today are based on activity ten | :15:41. | :15:45. | |
years ago. New farmers coming onto the ground either have to buy the | :15:45. | :15:51. | |
right to claim subsidy on do without. -- or do without. The | :15:51. | :15:54. | |
people selling that right are often retired or renting out their | :15:54. | :15:57. | |
farmland to someone else. It's another case of money going to | :15:57. | :16:05. | |
people who aren't actually farming. Mark arranged for me to meet a | :16:05. | :16:09. | |
couple of other young farmers in his local. I wondered whether | :16:09. | :16:14. | |
they'd resent those who are able to claim without working the land. | :16:14. | :16:20. | |
can see it in a way as being very shrewd businessmen or women, who | :16:20. | :16:25. | |
have worked the system. There's nothing wrong with that really, but | :16:25. | :16:29. | |
what does frustrate you is seeing the amount of money they're | :16:29. | :16:33. | |
receiving for actually, they're playing the game,if you like. It's | :16:33. | :16:38. | |
the system that is wrong. Is it a bit of envy as well then? Of course, | :16:38. | :16:41. | |
it is. There's an element there, because it frustrates you that you | :16:41. | :16:44. | |
can't go to that level because you haven't got the financial backing | :16:44. | :16:48. | |
to be able to do it as the way things are. The problems we've seen | :16:49. | :16:53. | |
so far are largely down to the trade in subsidy. But the Common | :16:53. | :16:57. | |
Agricultural Policy means there are also some recipients that might | :16:57. | :17:01. | |
seem a bit odd. For example, Manchester airport gets subsidy | :17:01. | :17:09. | |
because there are tenant farmers on some of its lan. Eton gets subsidy | :17:09. | :17:14. | |
from environmental improvements. Christ Church Oxford get payments | :17:14. | :17:19. | |
because they craze cattle on land that they own. There's even money | :17:19. | :17:23. | |
that go to the estates of dead people and some golf courses claim | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
as well. There's a more fundamental issue, the Common Agricultural | :17:27. | :17:32. | |
Policy plays people a flat rate for every hectare of land they own. | :17:32. | :17:39. | |
When it comes to subsidies paid to land owners, there's no upper limit | :17:39. | :17:45. | |
on payments or means testing. So the biggest land owners are the | :17:45. | :17:50. | |
real winners. Some of those whom we the public are supporting might | :17:50. | :17:56. | |
surprise you. The search for them brought me here to Central London. | :17:56. | :17:59. | |
Subsidy campaigner Jack Thurston agreed to accompany me on a tour | :17:59. | :18:03. | |
which went in search of some of the people who are perfectly legally | :18:03. | :18:09. | |
pulling down six-figure sums. Over my left shoulder is London's Ritz | :18:09. | :18:15. | |
Hotel. We're not far from Park Lane. That's home to someone who | :18:15. | :18:20. | |
invariably pops up every now and again on Britain's rich list, Sir | :18:20. | :18:25. | |
Richard Sutton. Last year he got �1.9 million in farming subsidies, | :18:25. | :18:31. | |
over ten years that's �13 million of public money. Sir Richard Sutton | :18:31. | :18:35. | |
is a barren et with extensive property holdings. You might not | :18:35. | :18:39. | |
have heard of him, but you will have heard of the Duke of | :18:39. | :18:43. | |
Westminster, reportedly worth �7 billion, which makes him the | :18:43. | :18:49. | |
richest Briton alive. This is Grosvenor Street it's home to the | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
business enterprises of one Major- General Gerald Cavendish Grosvenor, | :18:53. | :18:58. | |
the Duke of Westminster to you and I. In the last ten years, he has | :18:58. | :19:04. | |
earned around �6 million in farming subsidies alone. And you may be | :19:04. | :19:09. | |
surprised to hear that Her Majesty the Queen is also a significant | :19:09. | :19:16. | |
recipient of subsidies. In the last ten years, she's received around �7 | :19:16. | :19:21. | |
million in farming subsidies. We ran all these numbers, which have | :19:21. | :19:25. | |
been taken from Government records, past the Queen, the Duke of | :19:25. | :19:28. | |
Westminster and Sir Richard Sutton, none of them wanted to be | :19:28. | :19:33. | |
interviewed or comment on the figures. But a Buckingham Palace | :19:33. | :19:40. | |
spokesperson said, like others with agricultural interests we have in | :19:40. | :19:44. | |
receipt of the single farm payment. The Queen, the Duke of Westminster, | :19:44. | :19:46. | |
Sir Richard Sutton don't strike me as people who are in particular | :19:46. | :19:50. | |
need of public money. You're absolutely right. These are very | :19:50. | :19:53. | |
wealthy people F we're in the business of handing out public | :19:53. | :19:56. | |
money to farmers because they're poor, these are not the kind of | :19:56. | :19:59. | |
people we'd be handing that money to. We're talking millions. It's a | :19:59. | :20:04. | |
lot of money. It's public money. It's an awful lot of money. The | :20:04. | :20:08. | |
reason they get so much is because they own so much land. The farm | :20:08. | :20:12. | |
subsidies are allocated on the basis of how many land you have, | :20:12. | :20:17. | |
not how much financial need you're in. Panorama can reveal for the | :20:17. | :20:22. | |
first time the true extent of large payments across the UK. We've | :20:22. | :20:27. | |
established for the last year available, 2010, almost 900 | :20:27. | :20:35. | |
recipients were paid over �250,000. Of them, 133 got over �500,000 and | :20:35. | :20:41. | |
47 were paid over �1 million. But European privacy rules mean that we | :20:41. | :20:46. | |
have no right to know who these people even are. In fact, the | :20:46. | :20:51. | |
published information only names about a quarter of recipients. Why | :20:51. | :20:56. | |
do you think there is such a lack of transparency? I think it's | :20:56. | :20:59. | |
easier for governments and bureaucrats to keep things secret. | :20:59. | :21:03. | |
It reduces the public scrutiny on a policy that's hard to justify, when | :21:03. | :21:07. | |
everything is out in the open. doesn't seem fair. What it seems to | :21:07. | :21:12. | |
mean is that the elite view, the wealthy land owners of this country, | :21:12. | :21:16. | |
get' huge amount of money, but we don't actually have to be told | :21:16. | :21:19. | |
clearly what they get. It's not fair. This kind of information | :21:19. | :21:24. | |
should be made public. So how would the organisation representing | :21:24. | :21:28. | |
farmers defend the payments made bit Common Agricultural Policy, | :21:28. | :21:34. | |
also known as the CAP? The Queen, the Duke of Westminster, Sir | :21:35. | :21:39. | |
Richard Sutton, do these people really need our money? Public | :21:39. | :21:43. | |
financial support? We could have a very long debate about CAP... | :21:43. | :21:47. | |
a simple yes or no frankly. Do these people need the financial | :21:47. | :21:52. | |
support in terms of public money that they're getting? Your average | :21:52. | :21:56. | |
farmer desperately needs that money. They're not your average farmer. | :21:56. | :22:01. | |
point is, if you give me time to explain, is we've moved from | :22:01. | :22:05. | |
supporting cows and sheep or a ton of wheat to paying it on a land | :22:05. | :22:11. | |
area. Why did we make that change? Because when you subsidise a sheep, | :22:11. | :22:16. | |
the more you kept, the more you got. When we subsidise the cow the more | :22:16. | :22:20. | |
cows you kept the more support you've got. We rightly moved from a | :22:20. | :22:24. | |
system that developed grey mountains and milk lakes etc, to | :22:24. | :22:31. | |
one that paid on land and demanded people kept it in good condition. | :22:31. | :22:36. | |
One of the anomalies is some with large land holdings receive some | :22:36. | :22:39. | |
support. I'll ask the question again because I feel you haven't | :22:40. | :22:42. | |
answered it. Do these people deserve the financial support | :22:42. | :22:46. | |
they're getting in terms of the public money? Do they need the | :22:46. | :22:52. | |
money? They are competing. I think, this is an agricultural policy not | :22:52. | :22:58. | |
income policy. What we're saying is producing food receives some level | :22:58. | :23:02. | |
of compensation from taxpayers. I don't think it's a great PR story | :23:02. | :23:07. | |
from farming that someone might receive �1 million or �2 million. | :23:07. | :23:15. | |
Of course I don't I -- don't. I would be naive. It's a side effect | :23:15. | :23:19. | |
of the current system. I want money to go to farmers producing food | :23:19. | :23:24. | |
whether it's two acres or 2,000 acres. With the current system with | :23:24. | :23:34. | |
CAP it's unavoidable. So the NFU argues the European system makes | :23:34. | :23:38. | |
these big payments unavoidable. That system is under review with a | :23:38. | :23:42. | |
new regime due in the next two years. The man leading that process | :23:42. | :23:46. | |
is determined that the big sums handed out to UK land owners will | :23:46. | :23:53. | |
soon be a thing of the past. He proposes to cap payments at 300,000 | :23:53. | :24:01. | |
euros a year, about �250,000. very frustrated because these | :24:01. | :24:07. | |
millions of very honest farmers have to suffer because some | :24:07. | :24:12. | |
speculators, who use this opportunity, this Common | :24:12. | :24:16. | |
Agricultural Policy, to become more rich only because they have some | :24:16. | :24:22. | |
hectares. So this way, for me, this capping and definition of active | :24:22. | :24:30. | |
farmer are two main elements of the next reform and I really hope that | :24:30. | :24:35. | |
taxpayers in UK and in all around European Union will support this | :24:35. | :24:40. | |
proposal of European Commission to obtain this more transparent, more | :24:40. | :24:46. | |
targeted and more fair unite illisation of the use of the policy. | :24:46. | :24:51. | |
In the UK the Scottish and Welsh administrations are willing to | :24:51. | :24:55. | |
consider a cap N Northern Ireland - - Northern Ireland wants one set at | :24:55. | :24:58. | |
just 100,000 euros. England's administration DEFRA is totally | :24:58. | :25:05. | |
opposed to one. We wanted to ask DEFRA why, but they declined an | :25:05. | :25:06. | |
interview, instead issues this interview, instead issues this | :25:06. | :25:16. | |
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I think it's in the a strong and good argument, because if business | :25:33. | :25:37. | |
in agricultural is linked only to the subsidies, it's not a real | :25:37. | :25:43. | |
business and efficient business. We have to ask these people to | :25:43. | :25:46. | |
reorient this activity in another direction and be more efficient. | :25:46. | :25:50. | |
Back in Scotland, it was time to wrap up my business decision to use | :25:50. | :25:59. | |
the trading loophole. Although I may not be an actual working farmer, | :25:59. | :26:06. | |
I thought I might as well travel like one. Do you know, everybody | :26:06. | :26:10. | |
I've met has been telling me the same thing, it's not me, it's the | :26:10. | :26:15. | |
system. What I'm doing is legal. It's the system. So I'm off to meet | :26:15. | :26:18. | |
the man who's in charge of the system. I decided to take the | :26:18. | :26:24. | |
opportunity to meet up with my farming colleagues at the union's | :26:24. | :26:27. | |
AGM, where I'd have the chance to meet the man in charge of | :26:27. | :26:35. | |
Scotland's subsidy system. Good morning. What a pleasure it is to | :26:35. | :26:42. | |
be with you again at the AGM here in St Andrews. It's nice to spend | :26:42. | :26:43. | |
St Valentine's Day with your loved ones. | :26:43. | :26:48. | |
LAUGHTER Ultimately he's the man responsible | :26:48. | :26:52. | |
for the loophole, which I've used to register as a farmer. I really | :26:52. | :26:57. | |
am very frustrated by the serious flaw at the moment in the Common | :26:57. | :27:00. | |
Agricultural Policy. I'm in the ludicrous position where I'm unable | :27:00. | :27:04. | |
to support under European legislation farmers new entrants | :27:04. | :27:08. | |
perhaps, young farmers, to help them produce, but we are paying out | :27:08. | :27:13. | |
to some people who are not active. Like me. I'm a registered farmer | :27:13. | :27:22. | |
now, apparently. There's my farm. I'm registered. There's the receipt | :27:22. | :27:26. | |
for the entitlements I've bought. I've no interest in farming. This | :27:26. | :27:30. | |
is what your system allows. It's Europe's system. We're trying to | :27:30. | :27:34. | |
change the legislation. This is how it can be abused. This is why I've | :27:34. | :27:37. | |
put so much effort in trying to persuade Europe to change the | :27:37. | :27:41. | |
legislation with some success. We're going to get into the new | :27:41. | :27:46. | |
policy what's called the Scottish clause. But this has been going on | :27:46. | :27:50. | |
for long enough. Would you accept that? It's been going on for far | :27:50. | :27:54. | |
too long. I've sat down face to face with European officials and | :27:54. | :27:58. | |
said to them - can you help us fix this loophole? The European | :27:58. | :28:01. | |
Commission said member states should have closed the loophole | :28:01. | :28:05. | |
using rules introduced two years ago. The Scottish Government said | :28:05. | :28:08. | |
those measures would have penalised genuine farmers. Whoever's | :28:09. | :28:12. | |
responsible my experience of registering as a farmer was that it | :28:12. | :28:18. | |
was easy. Why should people care about this? Because it's their | :28:18. | :28:23. | |
money. This is public money and particularly in a time of cuts and | :28:23. | :28:27. | |
austerity, we need to make sure every penny is spent as efficiently | :28:27. | :28:31. | |
as possible. At the moment millions are going to people to do nothing. | :28:31. | :28:34. |