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Parents struggling to cope with the rising cost of childcare. It is a | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
real financial burden. I think that the pressure for us as a family is | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
immense. Local nurseries are is hitting | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
their doors. Now I've been kicked in the teeth. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:16 | |
It's been taken away from me. Women are feeling squeezed out of | 0:00:16 | 0:00:20 | |
the workplace. That is how it feels. You think | 0:00:20 | 0:00:25 | |
would I be better off not working? Families moving abroad in search of | 0:00:25 | 0:00:30 | |
a better deal. It gives us a better life, more | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
flexibility, more money in our pockets. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:37 | |
And the parents taking matters into their own hands. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:42 | |
We want the best for our children. Tonight on Panorama, how much | 0:00:42 | 0:00:52 | |
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longer can families afford the high Morning, time. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:04 | |
It's an early rise for the Porter family in Leicestershire. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:08 | |
Come on, then. Claire and her husband, Richard, | 0:01:08 | 0:01:13 | |
both work full-time. The family has to be up, dressed and out of the | 0:01:13 | 0:01:23 | |
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Are we going the right way? We are, we are going to Karen's, aren't we? | 0:01:30 | 0:01:36 | |
Claire has a couple of stops to make on the way to work. First, the | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
childminder who takes five-year-old Charlie to school. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:46 | |
Ready? There we go. Then the local nursery where her | 0:01:46 | 0:01:52 | |
daughter, Sienna spends the day. She's been up since 5.40am. So she | 0:01:52 | 0:01:56 | |
will be tired. Flexible childcare like this can be | 0:01:56 | 0:02:01 | |
hard to find. It is not cheap. It costs the porer, �750 a month. That | 0:02:01 | 0:02:11 | |
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is as much as their mortgage. Claire is a specialist nurse in the | 0:02:20 | 0:02:25 | |
burns unit at Leicester Royal Infirmry. The hospital is in one of | 0:02:25 | 0:02:30 | |
the busiest NHS Trusts in the UK. It is a major local employer. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:34 | |
More than 9,000 women work here. That is nearly eight in ten of the | 0:02:34 | 0:02:39 | |
staff. Women are at the heart of | 0:02:39 | 0:02:43 | |
Leicester's hospitals, so, reliable childcare is vital. Without it, | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
Claire could not work her long shifts. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:52 | |
But the cost is a constant worry. It's a real financial burden. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
Things are tight. We have to budget to enable us to pay our childcare | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
fees. Do you feel you are being squeezed | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
as a family? Definitely, yes. The pressure for us as a family is | 0:03:04 | 0:03:10 | |
immense. Thousands of pairts are cared for | 0:03:10 | 0:03:15 | |
by the Trust's three hospitals -- patients. They rely on working mims, | 0:03:15 | 0:03:20 | |
like Paula Vaughan. She is a surgical manager. Though she gets | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
financial help, the fees to keep her two children in nursery full- | 0:03:24 | 0:03:31 | |
time are eye-watering. At the moment I am being charged | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
about �1,350 a month. That is a lot of money. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:39 | |
It is a lot. I am not left with a lot out of my salary. Across the | 0:03:40 | 0:03:48 | |
Trust it is a similar story, Sarah Turner is coordinating the | 0:03:48 | 0:03:53 | |
aneasthetists. I hardly take home any pay. The | 0:03:53 | 0:03:58 | |
childcare is about three quarters. Alison French works nights on the | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
gynaecology ward. We would like another child, but | 0:04:01 | 0:04:05 | |
cannot afford it because of the childcare costs. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
Louise Gibson relies on the grandparents to look after the kids | 0:04:08 | 0:04:14 | |
when she is nursing heart pairbts. I'm working so hard. That is how it | 0:04:14 | 0:04:20 | |
feels -- patients. You think would I be better off not working? | 0:04:20 | 0:04:24 | |
Leicester's hospitals would grind to a halt without the working mums. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:29 | |
Government spending on childcare in the UK is actually higher than in | 0:04:30 | 0:04:34 | |
other developed countries. Even so, parents spend more than a quarter | 0:04:35 | 0:04:38 | |
of their pay on childcare costs. That is more than anywhere else in | 0:04:38 | 0:04:43 | |
the world. That amount is rising. We have been given access to the | 0:04:43 | 0:04:48 | |
annual survey of childcare costs, carried out by the chaift, the The | 0:04:48 | 0:04:53 | |
Daycare Trust. What the results reveal is that last year many | 0:04:53 | 0:04:57 | |
parents faced above-inflation increases for fees in nurseries and | 0:04:57 | 0:05:03 | |
child minders at a time when wages are remaining stagnant. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:07 | |
In England, the nursery fees rose significantly last year. For a | 0:05:07 | 0:05:12 | |
child under two, on average, parents are to pay about �340 more | 0:05:12 | 0:05:17 | |
than the previous year for a part- time place. Scotland saw a modest | 0:05:17 | 0:05:22 | |
rise, about �100 a year, but it already has some of the highest | 0:05:22 | 0:05:27 | |
childcare costs in the UK. Nursery fees in Wales rose by an | 0:05:27 | 0:05:33 | |
average of �78 a year. The average cost is pretty much now | 0:05:33 | 0:05:39 | |
�100 a week for a two-year-old who gets 25 hours of nursery care. So | 0:05:39 | 0:05:43 | |
�100 that works out for a week over �5,000 a year. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:49 | |
That is a lot of money. It is not even a full-time place? No. That is | 0:05:49 | 0:05:53 | |
just the average amount. So a lot of parents are actually paying a | 0:05:54 | 0:05:58 | |
lot more for their childcare. And families in the East Midlands | 0:05:58 | 0:06:03 | |
have been hit with some of the steepest rises of all. Nursery fees | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
here increased by about 10% last year. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
We sent out a questionnaire to staff at Leicester's three | 0:06:10 | 0:06:15 | |
hospitals to see how they are being affected. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
Of the 400 parents that replied, half of them said that the cost of | 0:06:19 | 0:06:26 | |
childcare made them consider giving up work all together. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
Even more said that they had changed the hours that they work to | 0:06:30 | 0:06:35 | |
minimise the costs. Mums like Claire question what real | 0:06:35 | 0:06:40 | |
incentive there is for them to work. I could give up my job. I could | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
receive benefits off the state. I could not work. I could look after | 0:06:44 | 0:06:49 | |
my children at home, but for me as a professional working mum in my | 0:06:49 | 0:06:54 | |
life I want to provide more for my children. My career is important to | 0:06:54 | 0:07:00 | |
me. I love it. That is not an option. I love my job. I know that | 0:07:00 | 0:07:06 | |
I do a good job. I don't have to be just a mummy. I am also a business | 0:07:07 | 0:07:12 | |
manager, it seems a waste of skill to not do both. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:17 | |
If women like Paula and Claire are squeeze from the workplace, it is | 0:07:17 | 0:07:22 | |
not just them that will feel the effects. With a mostly female | 0:07:22 | 0:07:27 | |
workforce, a future without working mums would be unthinkable here. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
Working parents are a very important part of our work. They | 0:07:30 | 0:07:34 | |
are some of our most experienced staff. We could not deliver the | 0:07:34 | 0:07:39 | |
services that we do and function, really, if that significant | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
proportion of our workforce did not choose to come back to work. It | 0:07:42 | 0:07:51 | |
would be incredibly difficult for So, across the UK why does | 0:07:51 | 0:07:57 | |
childcare costs come so much money? Andrea Webster has been running her | 0:07:57 | 0:08:05 | |
own nursery near Leeds for 18 years. Do you like potatoes? Yes! Do you | 0:08:05 | 0:08:13 | |
like jacket potatoes? Yes! What do you have on them? Cheese and beans? | 0:08:13 | 0:08:20 | |
She charges �41 for a child of two. Not cheap, but it is not lucrative | 0:08:20 | 0:08:25 | |
for Andrea, either. Do you do it for the money? No, I | 0:08:25 | 0:08:30 | |
don't! The most expensive thing is the staffing. If you want to | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
provide quality childcare then you have to pay for quality staff. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:41 | |
So, staff is �27 out of the �41 you charge? Yes. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:45 | |
That is hefty, isn't it? It is, and that is just the staff that are in | 0:08:46 | 0:08:48 | |
the room actually looking after the children. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:53 | |
Staff these days are better trained and nurseries are more regulated | 0:08:53 | 0:08:58 | |
than when Andrea first opened the doors here, but that has pushed up | 0:08:58 | 0:09:03 | |
the overheads. There is a huge burden | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
administratively within the nursery. It has to take the decision whether | 0:09:06 | 0:09:10 | |
or not to take the staff away from the children to cope with that or | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
whether we employ extra staff to free the staff up to do that. We | 0:09:14 | 0:09:18 | |
don't take the staff away from the children here. Obviously, that then | 0:09:18 | 0:09:24 | |
increases the cost to the parent. As childcare bills are going up, | 0:09:24 | 0:09:28 | |
for many, Government help to pay them is going down. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:33 | |
Working parents can claim a small tax break on costs by using | 0:09:33 | 0:09:39 | |
childcare vouchers, but the value has not risen in six years. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
And lowering income families have been hit hard by a cut in the | 0:09:42 | 0:09:47 | |
amount that they can claim back for childcare through working tax | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
credits. The average loss for working | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
families has been something like �500 over a year. At the time when | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
the budgets are squeezed because of what is happening in the wider | 0:09:57 | 0:10:02 | |
economy, in terms of inflation, so on, this is a real challenge for | 0:10:02 | 0:10:06 | |
the parents. It is not just working mums feeling | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
the squeeze. Look at the stars and the moons. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:16 | |
There is a star there. And a moon... With three boys under five, living | 0:10:16 | 0:10:20 | |
on benefits is not easy. Toni Willmott wants to get a job, but to | 0:10:20 | 0:10:24 | |
do it she needs good, local childcare. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:30 | |
My boys are everything to me. I would not leave them with anybody. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:37 | |
Her two older sons had free places at the local council-run nursery, | 0:10:37 | 0:10:42 | |
five minute walk from their home in West Yorkshire, but the Wakefield | 0:10:42 | 0:10:46 | |
council says that they cannot afford to keep it open anymore, | 0:10:46 | 0:10:52 | |
just as she hoped that her son, Levi was to start there. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
As far as I was concerned he was going there. Now I've been kicked | 0:10:56 | 0:11:00 | |
in the teeth, it's been taken away from me. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:06 | |
You have to look at reflecting on the person skills... Toni was | 0:11:06 | 0:11:10 | |
relying on the local nursery to help to get her off benefits. She's | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
been training two afternoons a week for a childcare qualification. She | 0:11:14 | 0:11:20 | |
was hoping to up her hours, but now she may through in the towel. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:25 | |
I am loving doing the childcare course. I absolutely love it, but I | 0:11:25 | 0:11:29 | |
will have to knock it on the head if I can't get him into a nursery. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:35 | |
There is nothing that I can do. I am not happy about it at all. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:40 | |
The nearest private nursery is full with a six-month waiting list. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:44 | |
The council has suggested alternatives, but the closest means | 0:11:44 | 0:11:48 | |
an hour's round trip. They would have to catch two buses just to get | 0:11:48 | 0:11:55 | |
him there for a short nursery session. | 0:11:55 | 0:12:02 | |
As Toni and Levi showed me... half an hour. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:08 | |
And you have get to work after that and have to get back again? Yes. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:14 | |
So it is hardly worth it? As every parent knows, toddlers are | 0:12:14 | 0:12:19 | |
not always the best travellers. This is what he does every time he | 0:12:19 | 0:12:24 | |
gets on the bus. He is not that keen on the bus | 0:12:24 | 0:12:29 | |
journey? He doesn't like it. He wants to get out. Then he wants to | 0:12:29 | 0:12:35 | |
run up around down the bus. You are happy with your freedom?! Toni is | 0:12:35 | 0:12:41 | |
not the only mum who might struggle. Thank you very much. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
Wakefield Council plans to close another two nurseries as all three | 0:12:44 | 0:12:50 | |
are losing money. And because of budget cuts from | 0:12:50 | 0:12:56 | |
central Government, the council has to find massive savings. | 0:12:56 | 0:13:01 | |
It is unfortunate. It is something that I would rather not be doing, | 0:13:01 | 0:13:05 | |
but this council is faced with a difficult dilemma over how it | 0:13:05 | 0:13:10 | |
spends its money. The nurseries have never been sustainable. We | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
have now no option because of the difficulties that the council is | 0:13:14 | 0:13:22 | |
facing with its budget. But one group of mums is fighting | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
back. Even if it means that they have to run their nursery | 0:13:25 | 0:13:31 | |
themselves. So, there we have to put what is | 0:13:31 | 0:13:35 | |
happening with the nursery. What the cuts are, what the council are | 0:13:35 | 0:13:43 | |
going to do. Petrol expenses? Fuel expenses, then? Their nursery in | 0:13:43 | 0:13:48 | |
Pontefract is cheaper than others locally, but it is one of the three | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
facing closure. The council has offered the parents and the staff | 0:13:51 | 0:13:56 | |
the chance to take it over. They've been given three months to draw up | 0:13:56 | 0:14:00 | |
a business plan. We are here with young children, | 0:14:00 | 0:14:05 | |
working, some would say you are mad for think being runs the nursery? | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
We have no choice. You summit the proposal or there is closure. We | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
are passionate about the fact we don't want to uproot our children, | 0:14:13 | 0:14:19 | |
for them to be relocated. I think we want the best for our children. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:23 | |
How important is the nursery to you? We have built up relationships | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
with the nursery over the last four years from other children going | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
there. We think it is important that it is kept in the community. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:34 | |
It is needed. But the mums face an uphill | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
struggle. Uncertainty over the nursery's future has led to half of | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
the parents taking their children elsewhere. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:50 | |
It's a race against time to keep it It has not been easy. You come home | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
from work and all of a sudden you are researching things like | 0:14:53 | 0:14:57 | |
employment law. It has been a constant headache. It is affecting | 0:14:57 | 0:15:01 | |
my home life. I suppose this might be the Big Society that David | 0:15:01 | 0:15:05 | |
Cameron is talking about, that you start running things for yourself. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
Which is ideal if we'll have the background in it, but we haven't. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
By law, councils in England and Wales must try to make sure they | 0:15:13 | 0:15:18 | |
are enough local childcare places to allow parents to work or finds | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
training. But if the nursery closures go ahead, many will be | 0:15:22 | 0:15:30 | |
left in the lurch. They want local nurseries. There might be an issue | 0:15:30 | 0:15:35 | |
about local nurseries, but there is potentially sufficient alternative | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
provision. That might come down to a choice between a child minder or | 0:15:39 | 0:15:44 | |
a nursery. If you are only offering a childminder, it is not a choice. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
There will be nurseries, but it might entail the parent having to | 0:15:47 | 0:15:53 | |
travel and I accept that, and that might be difficult. Across Britain, | 0:15:53 | 0:15:57 | |
most councils are not providing the sort of child care working parents | 0:15:57 | 0:16:03 | |
need. The Daycare Trust's survey indicates that in England, of the | 0:16:03 | 0:16:08 | |
councils that responded, only 46% said there was enough local child | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
care for parents to work full-time. In Scotland, the figure was only | 0:16:12 | 0:16:18 | |
21%. In Wales, just 17% of councils that responded said there were | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
enough places locally for parents working full-time. It is time that | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
councils started to get serious about meeting the legal duties that | 0:16:26 | 0:16:31 | |
they have had to meet for the last five or six years. Are you worried | 0:16:31 | 0:16:35 | |
in England and Wales that there is a statutory duty, that they are | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
failing in their legal duty to provide the right sort of child | 0:16:39 | 0:16:45 | |
care? Yes, they are. So, child care is expensive and can be hard to | 0:16:45 | 0:16:50 | |
find. But now, the government has a big expansion plans. Those three or | 0:16:50 | 0:16:55 | |
four year-olds across the UK are already entitled to a free pre- | 0:16:55 | 0:17:00 | |
school place -- most three or four year-olds. That will be extended in | 0:17:00 | 0:17:04 | |
England to even younger children. Education, early years learning, | 0:17:04 | 0:17:10 | |
this is how you change the life chances of our least well off and | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
genuinely live children out of poverty. More than a quarter of a | 0:17:13 | 0:17:17 | |
million two-year-olds stand to benefit. Third but with so many | 0:17:17 | 0:17:23 | |
extra children needing places, will there be enough to go round? At the | 0:17:23 | 0:17:28 | |
moment, we have a short ball around 100,000 places. Up and down the | 0:17:28 | 0:17:33 | |
country, -- a short ball. Providers tell me they will fill existing | 0:17:33 | 0:17:38 | |
vacancies but warned last -- not invest a single penny integration - | 0:17:38 | 0:17:43 | |
- creating new places and that has the chance of scuppering a well- | 0:17:43 | 0:17:47 | |
intentioned programme. It can't really be done? I think it can but | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
I recognise it is very challenging. How are you going to magic up | 0:17:51 | 0:17:56 | |
100,000 places? In lots of areas, nurseries are under capacity. There | 0:17:56 | 0:18:01 | |
are spare places around. The challenge for us is making sure we | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
get the places in the areas where there are the most two-year-olds | 0:18:04 | 0:18:10 | |
from the poorest families. That is not the only challenge. The aim to | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
live children out of poverty by extending free child care depends | 0:18:13 | 0:18:19 | |
on the quality of the nurseries and childminders. As far as a parent is | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
concerned, the quality measure is the inspection report produced by | 0:18:22 | 0:18:28 | |
OFSTED. The research clearly indicates that two-year-olds | 0:18:28 | 0:18:34 | |
definitely do better where there is a good and outstanding report on | 0:18:34 | 0:18:44 | |
the nursery. Right, dinner-time! is to year-olds like Levi will not | 0:18:44 | 0:18:50 | |
in Wakefield who should benefit from this new free childcare. His | 0:18:50 | 0:18:56 | |
nursery is rated good by school inspectors. In Wakefield, nearly | 0:18:56 | 0:19:04 | |
40% of child minder providers don't currently reach that's done that. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:09 | |
You know yourself, in disadvantaged areas, they are more likely to have | 0:19:09 | 0:19:14 | |
nurseries of a lower standard. is a very hard task, I accept that. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
Going forward, have a nursery is judged to be satisfactory through | 0:19:17 | 0:19:21 | |
OFSTED, they need to make sure they have a high quality staff in their | 0:19:21 | 0:19:25 | |
nursery, or that they are part of a training scheme working with local | 0:19:25 | 0:19:32 | |
authorities to improve their quality. So, the help you get for | 0:19:32 | 0:19:36 | |
child care can depend on how much you earn, where you live and the | 0:19:36 | 0:19:46 | |
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On a modest income, this couple were paying more than �400 a month, | 0:19:46 | 0:19:50 | |
just for a part-time nursery place in Huddersfield for their daughter, | 0:19:50 | 0:20:00 | |
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It was shocking, the cost of it was shocking. It shows a complete | 0:20:01 | 0:20:08 | |
disregard for working families with small kids. Two years ago, they | 0:20:08 | 0:20:16 | |
decided to move somewhere with a different approach to childcare. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:26 | |
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Here, to Knut's home country of It was generally, people in Norway | 0:20:31 | 0:20:35 | |
having children and telling us about a different way of life. They | 0:20:35 | 0:20:41 | |
are shocked that we would pay the same amount for three days a week | 0:20:41 | 0:20:45 | |
for Thea, in the UK but there that they pay for two children to go | 0:20:45 | 0:20:54 | |
full-time to a nursery. -- that they pay. Every morning, Lisa takes | 0:20:54 | 0:20:58 | |
4-year-old Thea attached -- to the nursery attached to the university | 0:20:58 | 0:21:08 | |
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A full-time place here costs parents much less than it would in | 0:21:10 | 0:21:20 | |
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Parents get a pretty good deal here. From the age of one, all children | 0:21:22 | 0:21:26 | |
are legally entitled to a nursery place full time. Of course, parents | 0:21:26 | 0:21:30 | |
don't have to take them up on it, but if they do, it is heavily | 0:21:30 | 0:21:35 | |
subsidised by the state and the price is capped, so even those on | 0:21:35 | 0:21:42 | |
highest incomes never pay more than �250 a month. More women work here | 0:21:42 | 0:21:48 | |
than in Britain, and the Norwegians take it for granted that they have | 0:21:48 | 0:21:55 | |
affordable childcare available to everyone. It is very important, | 0:21:55 | 0:22:00 | |
because it gives all children of all families the same right and the | 0:22:00 | 0:22:05 | |
same possibility to have a nursery place. And that is a good start for | 0:22:05 | 0:22:09 | |
the children, and it is also a good possibility for the women and the | 0:22:09 | 0:22:17 | |
family. Thea's nursery opens early, so parents can drop their kids off | 0:22:17 | 0:22:22 | |
on the way to work. There is even a sleep over once a month so parents | 0:22:22 | 0:22:32 | |
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For the children, there is a big emphasis on the outdoors, and | 0:22:35 | 0:22:40 | |
learning to do things for themselves. Under the careful | 0:22:40 | 0:22:50 | |
supervision of the teachers, of In terms of child care, do you | 0:22:50 | 0:22:54 | |
think you have made the right decision? Definitely made the right | 0:22:54 | 0:22:59 | |
decision. It has given us a better family life, more flexibility, more | 0:22:59 | 0:23:07 | |
money in a pocket. -- in our pocket. This sort of child care has to be | 0:23:07 | 0:23:12 | |
paid for, though. Norway's population is relatively small. It | 0:23:12 | 0:23:16 | |
is wealthy because of oil and income tax and VAT are higher than | 0:23:16 | 0:23:21 | |
in the UK. Don't people here mind paying more tax? In general, I | 0:23:21 | 0:23:26 | |
don't think they do. Even though they might say, I wish I paid less | 0:23:26 | 0:23:33 | |
tax. It is a bit like, everybody gets something that, one way or | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
another. You don't find people without children saying, why should | 0:23:37 | 0:23:42 | |
I pay for your children to have cheap childcare? No, I don't. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:49 | |
Simple as that. In the UK, you would. It is estimated it would | 0:23:49 | 0:23:54 | |
cost around �7 billion to set up a Norwegian style system of childcare | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
in the UK. The Daycare Trust believes it would eventually pay | 0:23:57 | 0:24:05 | |
for itself, as more women work and pay tax. Places like Norway have | 0:24:05 | 0:24:09 | |
been investing in child care for 30 years or more, for a generation. I | 0:24:09 | 0:24:13 | |
see no reason why, if you have sufficient political will and | 0:24:13 | 0:24:20 | |
sufficient funding, or that we cannot get to a policy of child | 0:24:20 | 0:24:24 | |
care within the next decade. would British taxpayers stomach the | 0:24:24 | 0:24:28 | |
hefty set-up costs? Back in Leicester, we asked staff at the | 0:24:29 | 0:24:33 | |
hospital trust what they thought. The results are not scientific, but | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
of the almost 800 staff who responded, there was strong backing | 0:24:36 | 0:24:41 | |
for more government spending on a child care. Unsurprisingly, not | 0:24:41 | 0:24:48 | |
just from staff with young children. -- and surprisingly. In these times, | 0:24:48 | 0:24:52 | |
there is little prospect of billions being invested to match | 0:24:52 | 0:24:59 | |
Unfortunately, in the immediate future, with the public spending | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
cuts going on, it does not seem like will be unobtainable goal for | 0:25:03 | 0:25:08 | |
this foreseeable future. -- does not seem it will be an odd | 0:25:08 | 0:25:15 | |
attainable goal. A controversial idea is to offer a loan of up to | 0:25:15 | 0:25:19 | |
�10,000 which parents would then pay back through their wages. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:24 | |
rather like a loan, it is also a bit like a tax. You don't pay if | 0:25:24 | 0:25:28 | |
you don't earn, and if you haven't repaid because you haven't earned | 0:25:28 | 0:25:33 | |
enough money to do so, the debt is forgotten. The think tank's own | 0:25:33 | 0:25:37 | |
research suggests the majority of parents with young kids thought it | 0:25:37 | 0:25:41 | |
was a good idea. There was less enthusiasm among the mothers we | 0:25:41 | 0:25:45 | |
spoke to. That would be worrying to our family, to always be in debt to | 0:25:45 | 0:25:50 | |
the government. Having student loans, have paid those of now. I | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
don't want to be taking out more child care loans that I am going to | 0:25:54 | 0:25:58 | |
be paying off. Some in the childcare business are even less | 0:25:58 | 0:26:04 | |
polite about the idea. I confess, I was absolutely astonished when I | 0:26:04 | 0:26:08 | |
saw the proposals. Here we are, in the middle of the toughest economic | 0:26:08 | 0:26:12 | |
environment but we have seen in a lifetime, predominantly caused by | 0:26:12 | 0:26:17 | |
poor lending practices, and we have a proposal to lend the most | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
vulnerable and disadvantaged families out there more money, and | 0:26:21 | 0:26:27 | |
put them further in debt. Back in West Yorkshire, the problem is more | 0:26:27 | 0:26:32 | |
pressing. I don't think we are mad. We want the best for our children. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:36 | |
If the mother's we met here can't find a way quickly to keep their | 0:26:37 | 0:26:43 | |
nursery open, or they may soon have known nursery at all. Tonight is a | 0:26:43 | 0:26:48 | |
big night. The parents have called a meeting about the planned closure | 0:26:48 | 0:26:55 | |
of the nursery and two others. There is some unexpected news. They | 0:26:55 | 0:26:59 | |
are told the council has agreed to delay closing the nurseries for six | 0:26:59 | 0:27:05 | |
months. It is down to the way we have -- the work we have put in and | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
the stamping we have done, and telling them it is not right. It is | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
the first piece of progress we have got, and it is brilliant. I feel | 0:27:12 | 0:27:19 | |
great. A bit overwhelming, I am really happy. At least I will not | 0:27:19 | 0:27:23 | |
have to think, where am I going to put my trialled? At least I can | 0:27:23 | 0:27:28 | |
tell work that I can continue to work -- going to put my child. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:33 | |
There is still a lot to do and the nursery's long-term future is by no | 0:27:33 | 0:27:42 | |
means certain, but the relief is a sign of how much parents value | 0:27:42 | 0:27:47 | |
affordable childcare. It is a powerful message to politicians who | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
claim they are serious about helping women work and giving | 0:27:50 | 0:27:54 | |
children the best possible start in life. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:59 |