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With one young person in five out of work, life for many is just one | :00:12. | :00:17. | |
long rejection letter. I have applied for well over 250 | :00:17. | :00:22. | |
jobs. I've had six interviews in that time, but nothing has come up. | :00:22. | :00:26. | |
The coalition government funded a rise in apprenticeships last year, | :00:26. | :00:31. | |
but how many are real jobs? All the young people who thought that they | :00:31. | :00:34. | |
were getting a decent apprenticeship, they have been let | :00:34. | :00:39. | |
down. A waste of time. I should have stopped on at college or got a | :00:39. | :00:45. | |
proper job. With millions in cash up for grabs | :00:45. | :00:49. | |
with apprenticeships, we are asking if the young are getting value for | :00:49. | :00:52. | |
money. Some apprenticeships are nothing | :00:52. | :00:57. | |
short of money-making scams. What does that make you think | :00:57. | :01:03. | |
looking at that? Forged documentation. | :01:03. | :01:07. | |
And Schneider blow the whistle in private companies making a killing. | :01:07. | :01:17. | |
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What is behind all of this? Coins. Presents are back. Big time. From | :01:30. | :01:34. | |
loir driving to shop work, there's been an explosion of the type and | :01:34. | :01:40. | |
the number on offer in many parts of the UK. Last year more than | :01:40. | :01:43. | |
450,000 apprenticeships were created in England alone. That is a | :01:43. | :01:48. | |
huge rise on the year before, at a cost of more than �1 billion to the | :01:48. | :01:52. | |
taxpayer, but tonight we investigate claims that for some, | :01:52. | :02:01. | |
it's a licence to print money. Sam Healy was 18 when he became an | :02:01. | :02:04. | |
present draper at Pinewood Studios. The training takes him through | :02:04. | :02:10. | |
years. Most of it on the job with a skilled craftsman showing him the | :02:10. | :02:14. | |
ropes and there is theory that Sam will learn at college. How an | :02:15. | :02:19. | |
apprenticeship should be. I knew at school, I didn't used to | :02:19. | :02:22. | |
go that much, so I think that an apprenticeship like this and | :02:22. | :02:27. | |
learning on the job whilst getting paid is what I wanted to do while | :02:27. | :02:32. | |
enjoying something that I am doing. Crucially, there is a real job | :02:32. | :02:37. | |
attached. That's long been a requirement for aapprenticeships in | :02:37. | :02:42. | |
Scotland and Wales, but not always in England or Northern Ireland. So | :02:42. | :02:52. | |
when is an apprenticeship not really an apprenticeship? Declan | :02:52. | :02:57. | |
Bellinger and his friends in Sussex did an IT apprenticeship, but it | :02:57. | :03:02. | |
was classroom based there. Was not job. The teaching was done by a | :03:02. | :03:05. | |
private training company, paid for with public money. The whole thing | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
lasted six months. The apprenticeship you associate | :03:09. | :03:14. | |
working at a company, that they might then take you on, but this | :03:14. | :03:18. | |
was just training and a promise of a recruitment team at the end and | :03:18. | :03:23. | |
they help us find a job. The company is called Zenos. Now | :03:23. | :03:28. | |
owned by publisher Pearson, its training has been rated outstanding | :03:28. | :03:33. | |
by education inspectors. Last year, Zenos had a Government contract | :03:33. | :03:38. | |
worth �45 million. The company makes bold claims about its | :03:38. | :03:43. | |
employment rates. Almost 90% of our learners get | :03:43. | :03:48. | |
careers within the IT industry within a few months of leaving | :03:48. | :03:50. | |
Zenos. Since their apprenticeship with | :03:50. | :03:55. | |
Zenos ended 18 months ago, things have not been so Rosie for Declan | :03:55. | :03:58. | |
and thinks class of 206789 How many people have gone on to | :03:58. | :04:04. | |
work in IT? I think... A couple? Three or four. | :04:04. | :04:09. | |
What are you three doing? unemployed, still. Looking for word. | :04:09. | :04:15. | |
I am unemployed. I finished a two- week contract. That is all that I | :04:15. | :04:23. | |
can get. That is freelance. I found a job through Gumtree on my on -- | :04:23. | :04:29. | |
own, it did not give a lot of money. What sort of job? Packing. | :04:29. | :04:33. | |
What do they ask for when looking for a job? Experience. | :04:33. | :04:38. | |
When you say Zenos, it was not really experience, it is just work, | :04:38. | :04:42. | |
books. The Government decided some time | :04:42. | :04:46. | |
ago to no longer fund apprenticeships in England without | :04:46. | :04:52. | |
a proper job attached. It was supposed to end last April. The | :04:52. | :04:56. | |
training was given until last April to find jobs for their | :04:57. | :05:00. | |
apprenticeships, but that has proven a hard task for Zenos. Lisa | :05:00. | :05:05. | |
Prudhoe's son was taken on by Zenos last September, long after the new | :05:05. | :05:10. | |
rules were announced. He did 18 weeks in the classroom and supposed | :05:10. | :05:13. | |
to start with an employer in January. | :05:13. | :05:19. | |
He should do 21 weeks of work experience, as we speak now he is | :05:19. | :05:24. | |
on week 11 and is waiting to get his workplacement. | :05:24. | :05:30. | |
So he has not got an employer? He goes every day to the academy | :05:30. | :05:34. | |
and waits. Lisa says about three- quarters of his classmates don't | :05:34. | :05:38. | |
have an employer, even though it is part of the revamped Zenos | :05:38. | :05:41. | |
apprenticeship. After the amount of time he has | :05:41. | :05:45. | |
waited and nothing has come out of it, I don't think he will get a job. | :05:46. | :05:49. | |
No. I think he will end up unemployed. | :05:49. | :05:53. | |
How do you feel about that a as his mum? Terrible. I think it is | :05:53. | :05:57. | |
terrible. I can't believe that they can get away with it. | :05:58. | :06:02. | |
Last year, Zenos got more public money to train young | :06:03. | :06:06. | |
apprenticeships than any other college or private training company. | :06:06. | :06:11. | |
2,000 were taken on in September. Only half now have an employer. | :06:11. | :06:16. | |
Does the Government think that is taxpayer's money well spent? I said | :06:16. | :06:20. | |
that every apprenticeship has to be a job. I know that is tough. | :06:20. | :06:25. | |
I know that some people think I'm relentless about apprenticeship. | :06:25. | :06:29. | |
Surely it is a no brainer that they should be employed? That is why I | :06:29. | :06:35. | |
insist that they are employed. That is not to say you can have good | :06:35. | :06:38. | |
training and that maybe Zenos is providing that, but it is not an | :06:38. | :06:41. | |
apprenticeship. I will not call it one. | :06:41. | :06:47. | |
And it should not be funding to the same level? It should not be funded | :06:47. | :06:50. | |
to the same level nor called an apprenticeship. | :06:50. | :06:56. | |
The Government has not asked for money back, but has reduced the | :06:56. | :07:01. | |
contract by Zenos by �1.8 million. Zenos did yot want to be | :07:01. | :07:06. | |
interviewed, but we were told: Zenos acknowledges and regrets that | :07:06. | :07:10. | |
there has been inconvenience to some learners during the | :07:10. | :07:13. | |
transitional period, but the long- term commitment is to equip the | :07:13. | :07:19. | |
young people with the skills and the ability that they need to with | :07:19. | :07:23. | |
work in a highly competitive economy. | :07:23. | :07:28. | |
Nick Linford is an expert in vocational training. He thinks that | :07:28. | :07:32. | |
quality is being sacrificed in the race for numbers. | :07:32. | :07:36. | |
We have seen record growth of apprenticeships. If some of the | :07:36. | :07:41. | |
programmes don't have employers, some of them that are short cannot | :07:41. | :07:47. | |
be taking place, there is a difficulty if the numbers can be | :07:47. | :07:51. | |
met. Scratch under the surface, maybe we should not be calling them | :07:51. | :07:54. | |
all present. When it comes to quantity, no-one | :07:54. | :07:58. | |
does it like Morrisons. The supermarket chain employs more | :07:58. | :08:02. | |
apprenticeships than any other company in the UK. | :08:02. | :08:06. | |
ADVERTISEMENT: Let's get the party started. | :08:06. | :08:11. | |
We've discovered that 52,000 Morrisons employees last year were | :08:11. | :08:15. | |
on presents. That is nearly 40% of the whole workforce. It is about | :08:15. | :08:19. | |
one in ten of the whole number of presents created across England | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
last year. With the taxpayers' help it seems, | :08:23. | :08:29. | |
that we are becoming a nation of shopkeepers apprenticeships. 40% of | :08:29. | :08:33. | |
your staff are apprenticeships? made a huge commitment a few years | :08:33. | :08:37. | |
ago. Is that right that 40% are | :08:37. | :08:41. | |
apprentices? 40% are trying to get a basic qualification. People who | :08:41. | :08:46. | |
don't leave school with a Cornwall fik often feel that they don't have | :08:46. | :08:50. | |
access nor school the skilled jobs or the management positions as | :08:50. | :08:55. | |
something that they can aspire to. Most are not school levers, though, | :08:55. | :08:59. | |
two thirds are over 25. I was interested in doing butchery. | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
Then the opportunity came up for the apprenticeship. I was 25 when I | :09:03. | :09:08. | |
started the course. Obviously, the apprenticeship schemes are from | :09:08. | :09:13. | |
school, but I was with Morrisons. Most of the company's | :09:13. | :09:16. | |
apprenticeships are existing employees, so if new jobs are in | :09:16. | :09:21. | |
the being created, should the taxpayer subsidise Morrisons's | :09:21. | :09:29. | |
inhouse training? Charlie Mullins is not convinced. He began his | :09:29. | :09:37. | |
working life as an apprentice. He takes pride in the skill involved. | :09:37. | :09:42. | |
We have shelve stackers and apprenticed people. All I am doing | :09:42. | :09:45. | |
is undervaluing the work that the apprentice does and seeing a | :09:45. | :09:49. | |
loophole in the system claim money on it. | :09:49. | :09:54. | |
In his plumbing business, it is done the old fashioned way. He | :09:54. | :09:58. | |
employs 18 apprentices out of a staff of 200. The training involves | :09:58. | :10:03. | |
a big commitment on both sides. There is a skilled worker being the | :10:03. | :10:07. | |
mentor of people. It takes minimum of three years. | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
They go to day release college and evening college and hopefully learn | :10:11. | :10:18. | |
a bit on their own of an evening. At Morrisons, the retail | :10:18. | :10:21. | |
apprenticeship last year took an average of six months to complete. | :10:21. | :10:27. | |
Last week the scheme came under scrutiny from a government select | :10:27. | :10:31. | |
committee, Elmfield Training, the private company that accredit's | :10:31. | :10:35. | |
Morrisons apprentices, has a �37 million Government contract. | :10:35. | :10:44. | |
I am Ged Syddall, the cefplt O of Elmfield. The Committee had | :10:44. | :10:48. | |
question force the borne the �2 million profit that the company | :10:48. | :10:53. | |
made in 2010. How much of the �12 million was | :10:53. | :10:56. | |
Government money? It was all Government money. | :10:56. | :11:03. | |
I think that much money made out of the business of your kind is a rip- | :11:03. | :11:08. | |
The other than paid himself a dividend of nearly �3 million in | :11:08. | :11:14. | |
2010, all taxpayers money. Yet when train train was inspected last year, | :11:14. | :11:18. | |
the training for Morrisons was rated satisfactory. | :11:18. | :11:21. | |
Actually, whether you look at the results delivered through the | :11:21. | :11:26. | |
programme with a private provider, we are doing something that is | :11:26. | :11:31. | |
actually exemplary in the terms of the qualifications... Satisfactory | :11:31. | :11:36. | |
is what Ofsted said. That is satisfactory with regards | :11:36. | :11:41. | |
to all of the qualifications. Stkpw if a principle awarded | :11:41. | :11:45. | |
himself nearly �3 million of public money, people would have something | :11:45. | :11:50. | |
to say about that? In terms of the qualifications numbers that they | :11:50. | :11:54. | |
provide assessment on, to provide those numbers and those quality | :11:54. | :11:58. | |
results is a lot better than most further education colleges in the | :11:58. | :12:03. | |
In fact, more than two thirds of colleges are rated good or | :12:03. | :12:06. | |
outstanding. Training that is merely satisfactory, like Elmfield | :12:06. | :12:09. | |
Training is in the minority. With regard to the rating | :12:09. | :12:13. | |
satisfactory, well, we know in the further education sector that is | :12:13. | :12:17. | |
not good. That is three out of four. Four is the worst. | :12:17. | :12:22. | |
Are you comfortable with a private company creaming off so much profit | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
for providing a service that is merely satisfactory? I have said | :12:25. | :12:29. | |
that I would look at every contract. I have said we will ensure value | :12:29. | :12:36. | |
for money in the contracts k we are doing that. I said I would place in | :12:36. | :12:38. | |
statutory standards. They will apply. | :12:38. | :12:44. | |
So we might see an end to these types of apprenticeshipships? | :12:44. | :12:47. | |
will see an end to the apprenticeships that are not up to | :12:47. | :12:52. | |
the standards. At least these big companies are | :12:52. | :12:55. | |
finally coming under the spotlight. We have discovered one growing | :12:55. | :12:59. | |
group of training providers who seem to be operating under the | :12:59. | :13:03. | |
inspection radar. The sub- contractors. | :13:03. | :13:07. | |
As colleges struggle to find the capacity to cope with the growing | :13:07. | :13:11. | |
demand of apprenticeship training, more of the work is sub-contracted | :13:11. | :13:15. | |
out to private companies. There is little scrutiny as to how some of | :13:15. | :13:18. | |
the companies are spending your money. | :13:18. | :13:22. | |
It is young people like Kyle Emery who are counting the cost. Last | :13:22. | :13:28. | |
summer he saw an ad for a painting and decorating apprenticeship. He | :13:28. | :13:32. | |
was 18. He thought it sounded a great opportunity. | :13:32. | :13:40. | |
They said interview on the phone. So, I got there, it was basically | :13:40. | :13:44. | |
an induction day. I filled in a few forms, they said | :13:44. | :13:48. | |
I was on the apprenticeship. That they would give me a ring before I | :13:48. | :13:51. | |
started. So no interview? No, just sign up | :13:51. | :13:57. | |
and you are on it. Nearly 300 apprentices in all were | :13:57. | :14:03. | |
recruited for the first few weeks, they were then sent to this hotel. | :14:03. | :14:07. | |
Kyle Emery expected to be decorating, but then began an | :14:07. | :14:12. | |
apprenticeship in customer service. What did that involve, then? | :14:12. | :14:18. | |
Filling out a work book ent. Dooing the answers, -- filling out a work | :14:18. | :14:23. | |
book. Filling in the answers and sending it off to get your | :14:23. | :14:26. | |
qualification. How long were you there? About a month. | :14:26. | :14:31. | |
The rest of the time you were sitting at home? Yes. | :14:31. | :14:35. | |
The Government funding for the presents came via Bournville | :14:35. | :14:38. | |
College. They brought in Forward Thinking Training Solutions to | :14:38. | :14:40. | |
deliver Kyle Emery's course. Forward Thinking Training Solutions | :14:40. | :14:44. | |
are based here at this business park in Basingstoke. The company is | :14:44. | :14:50. | |
only three years old, yet last year it was awarded a total of �277 | :14:50. | :14:55. | |
million in Government contracts to train apprentices. | :14:55. | :14:58. | |
Forward Thinking Training Solutions's experience is in | :14:58. | :15:01. | |
security training. Though, Bournville College contracted them | :15:01. | :15:07. | |
for painting and decorating. Mark Harris was employed by Forward | :15:07. | :15:10. | |
Thinking Training Solutions for eight weeks to train the | :15:10. | :15:15. | |
apprentices and assess the work. They had been moved to the | :15:15. | :15:19. | |
employer's training centre. Mark was shocked by the conditions. | :15:19. | :15:23. | |
There was no hot or cold running water. No toilet facilities. There | :15:23. | :15:31. | |
was no proper fire exits so to speak. They were chained and locked. | :15:31. | :15:37. | |
The inside of the building there was two make-shift marquee tents to | :15:37. | :15:43. | |
be used as temporary classrooms. How do you describe it? A shambles. | :15:43. | :15:48. | |
And Kyle Emery says that the training was almost non-existent. | :15:48. | :15:53. | |
It was cleaning out a old office block. It hardly had floor boards | :15:53. | :15:58. | |
in. It was a death trap, really. We thought that was the prepare | :15:58. | :16:02. | |
work for the painting. We tried to get it over and done with to start | :16:02. | :16:12. | |
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painting. Basically, it was this is a | :16:14. | :16:18. | |
paintbrush, crack on. Nobody taught us what we were doing. A painting | :16:18. | :16:22. | |
and decorating apprenticeship leading to an NVQ should take a | :16:22. | :16:26. | |
year. Mark says that staff were under pressure to deliver it much | :16:26. | :16:32. | |
faster than that, in 16 weeks. said that is not possible. You | :16:32. | :16:39. | |
cannot do an NVQ in 16 weeks. It is totally impossible. What was the | :16:39. | :16:46. | |
response? It has got to be done. It was as simple as that. Mark and | :16:46. | :16:49. | |
another assessor raised their concerns with Forward Thinking but | :16:49. | :16:53. | |
nothing happened. When the contractor, Bournville College, | :16:53. | :16:58. | |
came to inspect the work place, he says they were kept away. We were | :16:58. | :17:02. | |
taken to a different destination. We were taken out of the way while | :17:02. | :17:05. | |
they came down in case we said something. While we were at this | :17:05. | :17:10. | |
other venue, we were given a letter to save that our contract had been | :17:10. | :17:19. | |
terminated. -- to say. Lyons Paint Squad denies that the working | :17:19. | :17:23. | |
conditions were sub-standard. The company told us: The marquees were | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
short-term measure and used prior to the completion of classroom | :17:27. | :17:31. | |
facilities. These were perfectly adequate. Apprentices were involved | :17:31. | :17:38. | |
in the cleaning out of the offices. Our hope was that giving the | :17:38. | :17:40. | |
apprentices the opportunity to be involved in readying the | :17:40. | :17:44. | |
surroundings in which they would study, would leave them with a | :17:44. | :17:49. | |
sense of pride. But there was just his appointment in the end for Kyle | :17:49. | :17:55. | |
and the other apprentices. Six months after they started, they | :17:55. | :17:59. | |
paid them all off. How do you look back on the experience? A waste of | :17:59. | :18:04. | |
time. I should have stayed at college or got a proper job, not an | :18:04. | :18:08. | |
apprenticeship. Was it an apprenticeship, as you understand | :18:08. | :18:18. | |
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the word? The Way I See It, no. It was just cheap labour, really. | :18:20. | :18:26. | |
Bournville College received money but they will not tell us how much | :18:26. | :18:30. | |
or whether it has been paid back. We visited Forward Thinking's | :18:30. | :18:34. | |
office and discovered the company has now got into administration. No | :18:34. | :18:42. | |
answer. We wanted to put our allegations to the company, but | :18:42. | :18:46. | |
they refused to take part in the programme. Colleges are legally | :18:46. | :18:50. | |
responsible for ensuring their sub- contractors are up to scratch. | :18:50. | :18:53. | |
Bournville College told Panorama that it did all the necessary | :18:53. | :18:57. | |
checks before giving work to Forward Thinking. But we have | :18:57. | :19:01. | |
discovered that another college had problems with the training provider | :19:01. | :19:05. | |
the year previously. Wiltshire College told us that Forward | :19:05. | :19:09. | |
Thinking had not met expectations on response times and deadlines. | :19:10. | :19:14. | |
How robust art colleges when it comes to checking out sub- | :19:14. | :19:19. | |
contractors? Unfortunately, and maybe it is a sign of pressure to | :19:19. | :19:23. | |
hit targets and hit them quickly, maybe some of them cut corners and | :19:23. | :19:28. | |
do not do due diligence. They don't ask for references and they get | :19:28. | :19:31. | |
involved in relationships with partners without doing enough | :19:31. | :19:35. | |
homework. When that happens, it tends to end in tears, | :19:35. | :19:40. | |
unfortunately. And it is the learners that lose out. Learners at | :19:40. | :19:43. | |
college at least have the reassurance that the training they | :19:43. | :19:49. | |
is inspected by Ofsted every three years. The same rules do not apply | :19:49. | :19:52. | |
to sub-contractors. Forward Thinking got work worth �2.7 | :19:52. | :19:57. | |
million last year without ever having been inspected. We took a | :19:57. | :20:03. | |
closer look at other private training providers with Government | :20:03. | :20:05. | |
contracts over half a million pounds and found that Forward | :20:05. | :20:09. | |
Thinking is not an isolated example. We discovered that last year nearly | :20:09. | :20:14. | |
a quarter of a billion pounds worth of taxpayers' money was given to | :20:14. | :20:19. | |
sub-contractors who have never been inspected. The apprenticeship is | :20:19. | :20:23. | |
the gold standard of vocational training. Rhenium funding rates for | :20:23. | :20:29. | |
and they are the longest-running programmes. -- it is what you get | :20:29. | :20:35. | |
the most funding rates fall. People are looking to put apprentices | :20:35. | :20:39. | |
through a programme as quickly as they can without necessarily | :20:39. | :20:42. | |
providing the highest quality programme. That is something that | :20:42. | :20:52. | |
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should be of concern to all of us, We have been told by insiders that | :20:53. | :20:57. | |
the lack of checks could be leading to a much more serious misuse of | :20:57. | :21:02. | |
public money, even fraud. JML Dolman is a private training | :21:02. | :21:06. | |
company based in Wolverhampton. They have a Government contract to | :21:06. | :21:11. | |
train apprentices and more than 70 were recruited last spring. Allan | :21:11. | :21:16. | |
Middleton worked for the company until five weeks ago. His job was | :21:16. | :21:19. | |
essentially quality control but at JML Dolman he soon found it was all | :21:19. | :21:25. | |
about wanted to. As far as I am led to believe, the company had an | :21:25. | :21:28. | |
agreement that for each apprentice on the completion of the award, | :21:28. | :21:33. | |
they got �9,000 for each apprentice. This is where the pressure started, | :21:33. | :21:39. | |
because you have to imagine at this stage that there are 80 students, | :21:39. | :21:45. | |
from 70 to 80, now being trained by three people. So only three people | :21:45. | :21:50. | |
within the company actually do it? They were at that stage but they | :21:50. | :21:57. | |
took on another 80 as well. The 80 apprentices? Yes, last July. So you | :21:57. | :22:02. | |
have got 160 apprentices and free people training? Then they took | :22:02. | :22:11. | |
another 80 on. A third time? Yes. Do the maths. 200 apprentices at | :22:11. | :22:19. | |
�9,000 each. That is almost �2 million of taxpayers' money. They | :22:19. | :22:23. | |
were looking at it as a money- making scheme. If 200 apprentices | :22:23. | :22:29. | |
are earning �9,000 every 26 weeks, that is a lot of money. And that | :22:29. | :22:33. | |
was the length of the course, 26 weeks? That is what they were | :22:33. | :22:37. | |
hoping it would be. That does not sound like an apprenticeship. | :22:37. | :22:43. | |
not. Allan was asked to sign of students only so that there could | :22:43. | :22:46. | |
be more apprentices that would release blocks of funding. He | :22:46. | :22:51. | |
refused but became suspicious that it was happening anyway. He checked | :22:51. | :22:55. | |
some files and found this. Look at this. If possible recall the | :22:55. | :22:59. | |
apprenticed to complete the work. The award has been issued. This | :22:59. | :23:03. | |
will need to be invalidated as incomplete. You are quite clear | :23:03. | :23:09. | |
that he should not have passed? file was incomplete. Learning | :23:09. | :23:14. | |
outcomes and units require the signature of an assessor. This was | :23:14. | :23:18. | |
your view in February of this year, but it is saying that he was | :23:18. | :23:23. | |
awarded the qualification. On the 1st October! This person has been | :23:23. | :23:29. | |
qualified. And the certificate has been sent out. And that is not all. | :23:29. | :23:34. | |
Before Allan left his job in February, he saw the records of two | :23:34. | :23:37. | |
dozen apprentices. Many of these raised serious concerns of | :23:37. | :23:41. | |
malpractice. Assessment plan is incomplete. There is nothing that | :23:41. | :23:48. | |
can be applied for as achieved. Recall apprentice if possible. This | :23:48. | :23:53. | |
apprentice would have to start from the beginning again. Seeing as this | :23:53. | :23:58. | |
has been claimed as achieved, it needs to be invalidated. Nobody | :23:58. | :24:01. | |
from JML Dolman wanted to be interviewed for this programme but | :24:01. | :24:06. | |
the company told us: We absolutely and vigorously denied any intent to | :24:06. | :24:11. | |
deceive or deliberately mislead. There were administrative failings | :24:11. | :24:15. | |
that resulted in mistakes being made. As soon as the anomalies were | :24:15. | :24:18. | |
identified, those responsible were dismissed and systems were put in | :24:18. | :24:23. | |
place to make sure they could be no recurrence. No time has there been | :24:23. | :24:27. | |
any hiatus in the provision of assessors. Mr Middleton is a | :24:27. | :24:33. | |
disgruntled ex-employee and his claim that we are in receipt of | :24:33. | :24:35. | |
�9,000 per apprentice is substantially inaccurate. With | :24:35. | :24:40. | |
regard to those cases mentioned, none of those individuals ever | :24:40. | :24:44. | |
received city vacation and we claimed no payment. The inspection | :24:44. | :24:47. | |
undertaken by the external there if there has given us a clean bill of | :24:47. | :24:51. | |
health. According to a current employee, at the problems still | :24:51. | :24:56. | |
exist however. Remember Mark Harris? After he left Forward | :24:56. | :25:00. | |
Thinking he got a job with JML Dolman. He is so unhappy with what | :25:00. | :25:04. | |
is going on there that he has handed in his notice and taken the | :25:04. | :25:08. | |
difficult decision to whistle blows. Have you been asked to sign of | :25:08. | :25:12. | |
documents that you are not happy to sign? I have not because I have | :25:12. | :25:18. | |
refused. I have been told to check files and put my name to them. I | :25:18. | :25:23. | |
have not. And I will not. Not without knowing the person and | :25:23. | :25:27. | |
seeing what they are capable of doing. What response to you get | :25:27. | :25:37. | |
when you refuse? It has been put to one side but from what I have seen, | :25:37. | :25:44. | |
they have already been signed off and been claimed for. What do you | :25:44. | :25:51. | |
think of that? I think it is atrocious. We showed Mark some of | :25:51. | :25:54. | |
the internal documents that we obtained and he pointed out an even | :25:54. | :25:58. | |
more serious discrepancy. This young man, for example, it says | :25:58. | :26:05. | |
that he has already been awarded two of his qualifications. Do you | :26:05. | :26:10. | |
think he was ready for that? don't think so. I know for a fact | :26:10. | :26:15. | |
that at that time there was no assessor there. If there was no | :26:15. | :26:21. | |
assessor, no one to do the assessing of the work? How could he | :26:21. | :26:27. | |
be side of? What does that make you think? Forged documentation. | :26:27. | :26:37. | |
BBCi in off? That is pretty serious. Yes, it is. We have spoken to the | :26:37. | :26:41. | |
assessor whose signature is on the document. He said he did not sign | :26:41. | :26:46. | |
of any apprentices before he left JML Dolman last August. The rapid | :26:46. | :26:49. | |
expansion in the number of apprenticeships has seen a huge | :26:49. | :26:54. | |
rise in the number of sub- contractors. The Government says it | :26:54. | :26:58. | |
has beefed up investigation and will have zero tolerance of fraud. | :26:58. | :27:02. | |
The crackdown on sub-contractors that are not delivering will be | :27:02. | :27:06. | |
relentless, I can assure you. have looked at two examples where | :27:06. | :27:09. | |
hundreds of apprentices have been let down because of the sub- | :27:09. | :27:16. | |
contractors. Clearly there has not been enough scrutiny of what they | :27:16. | :27:20. | |
are doing in advance. We were not aware of this in terms of the | :27:20. | :27:23. | |
overall picture. The character of sub-contracting is something I was | :27:23. | :27:27. | |
sufficiently concerned about in order to insist that we tightened | :27:27. | :27:31. | |
the screw. It is something that I have acted on but of course if you | :27:31. | :27:35. | |
have got specific examples then we will take a close look at them. | :27:35. | :27:38. | |
Behind the impressive numbers, there are many first-rate | :27:38. | :27:41. | |
apprenticeships. But our investigation has found a | :27:41. | :27:45. | |
significant number that are not as good as these. That angers those | :27:45. | :27:49. | |
that want to give young people the best start to their working lives. | :27:49. | :27:53. | |
All the time you are teaching them there apprenticeship and nurturing | :27:53. | :28:00. | |
them into adults as well. It is what to do not get paid for | :28:00. | :28:07. | |
sometimes that you do more of. -- you do not get paid for. It is a | :28:07. | :28:13. | |
shame. I get quite passionate about this. These guys really deserve | :28:13. | :28:19. | |
more than what we have been doing. The around the country, some young | :28:19. | :28:22. | |
people have been left completely demoralised by their first taste of | :28:22. | :28:27. | |
work. I thought painting and decorating was all right work to do | :28:27. | :28:31. | |
and there would always be a job if you learnt to do it properly, then | :28:31. | :28:34. | |
I could start my own business and get some money but it never | :28:34. | :28:44. | |
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happened. They all feel let down, disappointed. No hope. You look for | :28:47. | :28:50. | |
jobs and you read the job description and it always says that | :28:50. | :28:55. | |
experience is essential. How am I meant to get experience if I cannot | :28:55. | :29:02. | |
get any work? The Government is under pressure to help create new | :29:02. | :29:06. |