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As energy bills rise, people are getting desperate. Things are that | :00:13. | :00:18. | |
bad that you have to staple a sleeping bag to the wall? Yes It's | :00:19. | :00:23. | |
horrendous. While political leaders have knocked up their own solutions. | :00:24. | :00:28. | |
Freeze that bill. And found a common enany. The big six clearly have all | :00:29. | :00:34. | |
produced the rather similar price increases that people have thought | :00:35. | :00:36. | |
were wholly unreasonable and they were. With hundreds of billions of | :00:37. | :00:41. | |
pounds needed to renew our power system, energy bosses are warning | :00:42. | :00:45. | |
there will be a price to pay. Either the Government pays for it, or | :00:46. | :00:48. | |
consumers have to pay and the reality is it will come through to | :00:49. | :00:52. | |
bills. What will happen if the politicians don't deal with it? It's | :00:53. | :00:56. | |
affordability and it's going to recur and recur and recur. | :00:57. | :01:20. | |
Energy, it light up our lives and shields us from the cold. Here in | :01:21. | :01:28. | |
Blackpool, the famous light on the Golden Mile power the local economy. | :01:29. | :01:39. | |
By attracting visitors and the cash. Move from the seafront to the Home | :01:40. | :01:58. | |
Front and energy is equally vital. Here, the battle is against rising | :01:59. | :02:04. | |
costs and there are many casualties. Blackpool has all of the factors | :02:05. | :02:08. | |
that lead to cold homes. Low incomes, high unemployment and old | :02:09. | :02:11. | |
housing stock, but those together and this place has the heightest | :02:12. | :02:15. | |
proportion of fuel poverty in the country. Last year, the north-west | :02:16. | :02:22. | |
saw England's biggest spike in excess winter debts. Staying warm | :02:23. | :02:27. | |
this winter is top priority for the couple who live here. They've taken | :02:28. | :02:38. | |
some drastic measures. I'm beginning to get an idea of all the work | :02:39. | :02:43. | |
you've done. It's an old house and it takes old methods. This is the | :02:44. | :02:47. | |
number one of the jobs you've done. What else? In here, we have got a | :02:48. | :02:52. | |
very cold wall there. The insulation is not very good in the cavity, so I | :02:53. | :02:58. | |
decided I would put some polystyrene up here. Also, I've put a throw up | :02:59. | :03:04. | |
there. It seems like pretty desperate measures. I'll show you my | :03:05. | :03:08. | |
bills, even for a small place like this. Last winter, the cold forces | :03:09. | :03:13. | |
Josh and Helen to retreat from the bedroom and sleep in the | :03:14. | :03:18. | |
sittingroom. She recently had a triple heart bypass operation. I | :03:19. | :03:23. | |
have to keep myself warm and to keep myself as a level heat and if I | :03:24. | :03:29. | |
don't and I take a it on I shiver and I go into shock and the heating | :03:30. | :03:34. | |
has made it a lot worse. Is keeping warm for you a matter of life and | :03:35. | :03:38. | |
death? It's very important to keep me alive. Illness forced Josh to | :03:39. | :03:43. | |
give up a career in forestry and their flat is heated with | :03:44. | :03:46. | |
electricity and every month they see the cost. How much are you paying? I | :03:47. | :03:56. | |
keep every slip I get. ?155. Even though you have brought yourselves | :03:57. | :04:02. | |
down nearly to one room, it's ?155? One room, yeah. Polystyrene isn't | :04:03. | :04:06. | |
the only thing they've stuck to the ceiling. I covered part of the | :04:07. | :04:12. | |
ceiling there with a fleece off a bed. Things have got that bad you've | :04:13. | :04:16. | |
got to staple a sleeping bag to the wall? Yes, because it is | :04:17. | :04:23. | |
horrendously cold. That is just like a duvet. It's actually a fleece from | :04:24. | :04:29. | |
under the bed. A mattress cover? Yes. Staple it up. -- staple it up. | :04:30. | :04:40. | |
Right there. Is that good? That's right. There you go. A couple more, | :04:41. | :04:46. | |
maybe? Yeah. Do you reckon this could save a few pennies, do you? | :04:47. | :04:58. | |
Oh, yes, I advise everyone to do it. Average gas and electricity bills | :04:59. | :05:02. | |
have jumped 30% in the last three years. And the big six energy supply | :05:03. | :05:07. | |
companies stand accused of profiteering. The resulting | :05:08. | :05:13. | |
political row has been electric. Many people face a choice this | :05:14. | :05:17. | |
winter - between heating and eating. These are the ordinary people of | :05:18. | :05:20. | |
this country, who this Prime Minister will never meet and whose | :05:21. | :05:25. | |
lives they will never understand. He is acting like a conman. That is | :05:26. | :05:30. | |
what we are seeing. He is promising something he knows he can't deliver. | :05:31. | :05:38. | |
A bold and popular pledge repeated in all weathers, was the tipping | :05:39. | :05:43. | |
point that started a rush to find a quick fix for or rocketing energy | :05:44. | :05:49. | |
bills. We know what a Labour Government would mean. Freezing | :05:50. | :05:56. | |
energy bills until 2017. Freeze that bill. What difference would it make? | :05:57. | :06:03. | |
For families, it would save at least ?120. For businesses, like the small | :06:04. | :06:07. | |
businesses I've been meeting, it would save thousands of pounds. It's | :06:08. | :06:14. | |
a key element of Labour's cost of living campaign. Putting squarely in | :06:15. | :06:20. | |
its sights the energy company profits. The target of much | :06:21. | :06:23. | |
political and public outrage. You can see it here. Brutish gas and eat | :06:24. | :06:31. | |
or heat. Energy bosses described as cowards. But is this anger hinding | :06:32. | :06:41. | |
An Invonvenient Truth? The multi-billion pound truth is in the | :06:42. | :06:45. | |
hands of the private sector. The head of the most respected and | :06:46. | :06:50. | |
influential economic organisation thinks freezing bills when you can't | :06:51. | :06:54. | |
control world prices won't work. If you freeze the price of energy and | :06:55. | :07:03. | |
the international prices of energy rise it means there's going to be a | :07:04. | :07:07. | |
very bill difference to pay. Who's going to be paying the difference? | :07:08. | :07:11. | |
Well, are you going to ask the investors to take the difference? | :07:12. | :07:15. | |
They'll probably go bankrupt. How will you get people to come in and | :07:16. | :07:21. | |
invest, to get their money back in 30 or 40 years' time, when you are | :07:22. | :07:26. | |
saying there's going to be a freeze? I think this is simply not | :07:27. | :07:32. | |
consistent. It's not economically objective. I put that to the Shadow | :07:33. | :07:38. | |
Energy Secretary. I don't accept that analysis. The price freeze is | :07:39. | :07:42. | |
about recognising that the British public, whether it's domestic or in | :07:43. | :07:46. | |
businesses, have been overcharged and that shouldn't be allowed to | :07:47. | :07:49. | |
happen. We are going to have a temporary price freeze to reflect | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
what has been going on. The fact is that wholesale prices dropped | :07:55. | :07:58. | |
substantially in 2009. That was never reflected in a pars-on to the | :07:59. | :08:05. | |
consumers and -- pass-on to the consumers and our policies are about | :08:06. | :08:08. | |
getting back to trust and confidence in this market. Generators of newer | :08:09. | :08:14. | |
technologies like wind and solar need investment and fear being early | :08:15. | :08:18. | |
casualties as politicians fight to lower prices. I was surprised that | :08:19. | :08:24. | |
Ed Miliband came out with such a statement. Because everybody will | :08:25. | :08:29. | |
ask him how will we fund everything that we want to do, which is energy | :08:30. | :08:34. | |
efficiency and deliver renewable energy technology and low carbon | :08:35. | :08:37. | |
futures. There was just no answers in there. How many vestors in energy | :08:38. | :08:42. | |
told you they think this is a good idea in Well, they've said to us | :08:43. | :08:46. | |
that they would like to discuss it more with us and how it will work. I | :08:47. | :08:50. | |
think what they want to be reassured -- So they haven't told you? What | :08:51. | :08:56. | |
they wanted to be reassured about is that it's a temporary price freeze, | :08:57. | :09:02. | |
which it is. With customers angry with the companies and Labour on the | :09:03. | :09:06. | |
front foot, the Government found an answer in their own policies and not | :09:07. | :09:12. | |
at a cost to profits. Moving heating health for the elderly and vule | :09:13. | :09:21. | |
rabble and -- rulener rabble -- vulnerable takes ?50 off the bill. | :09:22. | :09:25. | |
The big six have clearly lost some trust over the last few weeks and | :09:26. | :09:30. | |
prosecution deuced the increases that people have thought were wholly | :09:31. | :09:34. | |
unreasonable and they were. The Government took action, because we | :09:35. | :09:36. | |
have not even increases like this before or 8% or 9% and that's why | :09:37. | :09:40. | |
the Governmented acted. This has nothing to do with Mr Miliband. The | :09:41. | :09:45. | |
parties are united in blaming the energy companies. How does the one | :09:46. | :09:49. | |
which announced the biggest price rise respond? The big six companies' | :09:50. | :09:54. | |
profits are up by one billion and you've been overcharging and failing | :09:55. | :09:58. | |
to pass on a lot of the discounts. Is that true? No, I think it's | :09:59. | :10:01. | |
absolutely wrong and part of the problem we have had is that we have | :10:02. | :10:06. | |
had lots of speculation and quite frankly wild talk without people | :10:07. | :10:10. | |
looking at the facts. The facts are that we lost money in 2009 and 2010 | :10:11. | :10:20. | |
and 2011 and in 12 we made a 3% margin. The political dialogue means | :10:21. | :10:25. | |
that with rising bills they want someone to supply and we are the | :10:26. | :10:30. | |
easiest to shoot at. Energy investment analysts say a tax on | :10:31. | :10:34. | |
companies and turmoil over policy are already making it harder to | :10:35. | :10:40. | |
raise money. I recently returned from the US where I met the top 30 | :10:41. | :10:45. | |
or 40 institutional investors who invest in UK energy and utilities | :10:46. | :10:51. | |
and their questions are around not so much do I provide more capital, | :10:52. | :10:56. | |
or about do I put my capital out. They are thinking of taking money | :10:57. | :10:59. | |
out of it because of the political riS snBG Correct -- risk. Correct. | :11:00. | :11:09. | |
Old power stations are becoming obsolete faster than new capacity is | :11:10. | :11:13. | |
being built. The amount of spare generation that is around at the | :11:14. | :11:19. | |
peak of day has been down to 5%. I think next winter it will be even | :11:20. | :11:24. | |
smaller. Will we get through this winter? Yes, I think so. Next | :11:25. | :11:29. | |
winter? I don't know. We are only going to face a difficult couple of | :11:30. | :11:33. | |
winters if nothing is done. Let me assure you, we are doing things. | :11:34. | :11:37. | |
Decisions are being taken to catch up with the legacy of | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
underinvestment and to get new-power generation built. We are committed | :11:42. | :11:46. | |
to more than tripling the amount of renewable energy. How will that | :11:47. | :11:50. | |
affect the bill? As a guide, we'll open up what currently hits the door | :11:51. | :11:55. | |
mat. Nearly half of it is made up of the raw cost of energy and it's | :11:56. | :11:59. | |
production. -- its production. Nearly a quarter in pipes and pylons | :12:00. | :12:03. | |
to our homes and the remainder is divided between Government levies | :12:04. | :12:07. | |
and taxes and then there are company costs plus profits of around 5%. | :12:08. | :12:15. | |
Looking forward, like the imported gas in this tanker, it will remain | :12:16. | :12:19. | |
the biggest chunk of the bill. It may get dearer or cheap, but it's | :12:20. | :12:25. | |
beyond our politician' control and then comes the bit they do decide. | :12:26. | :12:30. | |
The cost of ensuring a low-carbon future, that limits our contribution | :12:31. | :12:35. | |
to climate change. A transition along with replacing old power | :12:36. | :12:40. | |
infrastructure, estimated to cost at least ?110 billion by 2020, but more | :12:41. | :12:46. | |
thereafter. The chief scientific adviser has warned the Government | :12:47. | :12:50. | |
not to ignore the evidence of global warming and few of our senior | :12:51. | :12:54. | |
politicians would disagree with that, but do they gloss over the | :12:55. | :13:02. | |
tough consequences? The real challenge is the most extraordinary. | :13:03. | :13:06. | |
None of us would be talking about this if we had low carbon forms of | :13:07. | :13:10. | |
energy that were cheaper than fossil fuels. The Climate Change Act of | :13:11. | :13:17. | |
2008 set us on an ambitious task and was supported by all sides. Only | :13:18. | :13:20. | |
five MPs voted against. Five years on, some of the bills are due. Are | :13:21. | :13:26. | |
the politicians deflecting the blame? If they decide we should | :13:27. | :13:31. | |
continue to pursue the quay carbonisation strategy as our | :13:32. | :13:38. | |
primary goal, then they need to engage and convince the public it's | :13:39. | :13:41. | |
a price worth paying. If they can't do that, then we'll have a | :13:42. | :13:47. | |
recurrence of the problems we have now. It will reare occur and recur | :13:48. | :14:01. | |
-- re-occur and re-occur. Here at Hinkley Point, the Government will | :14:02. | :14:06. | |
guarantee a price of 35 years at nearly twice the cost of today's | :14:07. | :14:10. | |
electricity. Every time we sign off a windfarm deal or a nuclear deal | :14:11. | :14:15. | |
with long-term contracts, those are expensive contracts relative to | :14:16. | :14:19. | |
where we are today. Now, they may be very, very good deals for us, if | :14:20. | :14:23. | |
prices dramatically increase, but if gas prices stay where they are or | :14:24. | :14:26. | |
fall, those will be very expensive bets. | :14:27. | :14:33. | |
While new nuclear reactors are agreed, coal power stations are | :14:34. | :14:39. | |
being shut down. These mechanical grabbers used to bring in about | :14:40. | :14:50. | |
10,000 tonnes a day. Now you are lucky to scrape together a handful. | :14:51. | :14:54. | |
Last year, coal was the UK's largest source of electricity and this year | :14:55. | :14:58. | |
it is the cheapest. But this coal-fired power station at Tilbury | :14:59. | :15:02. | |
has burnt its last. After 46 years of power production, the furnaces | :15:03. | :15:03. | |
are cold and the docks idle. Nigel Staves was the last manager. | :15:04. | :15:15. | |
And how does it feel to you now? Are you looking at it? It's very sad. | :15:16. | :15:21. | |
It's very sad to see the power station closed. Was there actually | :15:22. | :15:24. | |
anything wrong with the plant? Was it functioning perfectly well? Oh, | :15:25. | :15:27. | |
no. No, no. Was it functioning? Functioning very well. In fact, it | :15:28. | :15:31. | |
was one of the lowest cost producers of energy in the UK and for an old | :15:32. | :15:35. | |
power station very efficient because we'd renewed the turbines. The power | :15:36. | :15:38. | |
station closed due to an EU environmental directive, demanding | :15:39. | :15:41. | |
coal generators shut down unless they cut their emissions. For two | :15:42. | :15:45. | |
years, Tilbury switched to burning wood chip but closed for good in | :15:46. | :15:47. | |
October this year. At today's prices, coal is the | :15:48. | :15:56. | |
cheapest form of generation. And if we looked at what was happening on | :15:57. | :16:00. | |
the grid today, we would see that coal is generating about 40% of our | :16:01. | :16:05. | |
electricity. So, do you think this shut down was premature? My own | :16:06. | :16:10. | |
personal view is that it is premature, if we want to keep the | :16:11. | :16:16. | |
cost down. And we should have been more gradual in the way that we've | :16:17. | :16:19. | |
approached our investment into renewables. You need at least 1,000 | :16:20. | :16:24. | |
wind turbines to replace what you have at Tilbury, which would cover | :16:25. | :16:25. | |
all of Thurrock. Coal is a cheap but very high carbon | :16:26. | :16:36. | |
source of electricity. To make it less attractive, the British | :16:37. | :16:38. | |
government and the EU introduced carbon taxes. And, by 2020, they'll | :16:39. | :16:43. | |
be the biggest single addition to your bill - adding ?67. It's a move | :16:44. | :16:52. | |
supported by the OECD. What we should have er is a very important | :16:53. | :16:58. | |
price on emissions. The enemy is carbon. We know the enemy and that | :16:59. | :17:14. | |
is the one we have to fight. We have to put a big fat price on the enemy. | :17:15. | :17:18. | |
And he has warned the British government not to retreat - | :17:19. | :17:20. | |
personally. So, you've spoken to George Osborne face-to-face about | :17:21. | :17:23. | |
this? Oh, yeah. I asked straight, point blank. We should stay the | :17:24. | :17:26. | |
course, you should stay the course. You should be very proud of the | :17:27. | :17:30. | |
initiatives. Despite reports of pruning the greenery, the Government | :17:31. | :17:32. | |
has largely stayed the course. They have just locked in substantial | :17:33. | :17:35. | |
subsidies for low carbon suppliers, like wind and nuclear, in the Energy | :17:36. | :17:40. | |
Bill, about to become law. My own numbers suggest that it's going to | :17:41. | :17:43. | |
lead to around a 30% increase in electricity bills by 2020 and | :17:44. | :17:46. | |
probably a 100% increase in electricity bills in real terms, by | :17:47. | :17:48. | |
2030. The operators of offshore turbines | :17:49. | :17:56. | |
are guaranteed to be paid three times today's electricity price for | :17:57. | :18:01. | |
the power they produce. But it does decrease over time. Onshore wind and | :18:02. | :18:05. | |
solar technologies have already got cheaper and their subsidies have | :18:06. | :18:11. | |
been trimmed back. I think prices will go upfront but, in the long | :18:12. | :18:14. | |
term, prices will come down, associated with renewable energy. As | :18:15. | :18:20. | |
more is deployed, the cost of those technologies will come down and | :18:21. | :18:24. | |
there are views the energy bill will get lower. | :18:25. | :18:33. | |
Is there a quicker way of cutting the carbon and the bill? The | :18:34. | :18:39. | |
simplest answer lies in using less energy. That's what they have | :18:40. | :18:43. | |
achieved in Blackpool, where the lights are now back in the | :18:44. | :18:50. | |
warehouse. That's a filament lamp that would take five watts and that | :18:51. | :18:55. | |
will take less than one. It is actually quite squinty, quite bright | :18:56. | :18:58. | |
to look at, while that is not. And it is a little bit warm, wasting the | :18:59. | :19:02. | |
energy there, isn't it? Yeah. And that is why we have so few of these | :19:03. | :19:06. | |
now. We have saved over a megawatt in ten years of the illuminations | :19:07. | :19:10. | |
doing this, which is like two-thirds of our energy capacity. Over many, | :19:11. | :19:13. | |
many years, which is what they will last, they will save a lot more in | :19:14. | :19:17. | |
terms of running costs. It is just how amazing how we are saving. The | :19:18. | :19:21. | |
Government believes we can pull the same trick in our homes - prices up, | :19:22. | :19:25. | |
but bills down due to energy saving. They estimate more efficient | :19:26. | :19:27. | |
appliances and energy saving policies could save households | :19:28. | :19:28. | |
around ?400 a year by 2020. A big chunk of that saving could | :19:29. | :19:39. | |
come from changing the fabric of our homes. Oh, hi, Tom. How are you? | :19:40. | :19:44. | |
Very well thank you very much. And nice and toasty. Donnachadh McCarthy | :19:45. | :19:49. | |
is an energy saving adviser who brings his work home. My annual gas | :19:50. | :19:58. | |
bill's around ?18 a year. ?18? A year. Right. Yeah. You've got some | :19:59. | :20:02. | |
proof of that here, haven't you? There. ?4.29. That was over the | :20:03. | :20:05. | |
summer. Yeah. ?8.85 over a quarter in the winter. So, how does he do | :20:06. | :20:10. | |
it? He showed me. The most important thing I have done is solid wall | :20:11. | :20:13. | |
insulation. So, there is a layer of that on most of these walls. Yeah, | :20:14. | :20:17. | |
exactly. And I have put it natural wood fibre insulation two layers of | :20:18. | :20:20. | |
this under the floorboards and then for the window I have put in triple | :20:21. | :20:25. | |
glazing. And are you able to really see the difference of what you have | :20:26. | :20:29. | |
done. Well, nearly all the house is insulated but there is a gap over | :20:30. | :20:32. | |
there and the window that hasn't been insulated. So, compare that | :20:33. | :20:36. | |
with this and I bet you will see what I'm talking about. So, I use | :20:37. | :20:40. | |
this heat sensing gun. It gives me a temperature reading of 16.5 | :20:41. | :20:43. | |
Centigrade and a bit. You have insulated up there. Wow, 19.5! So, | :20:44. | :20:48. | |
that is basically nearly over three degrees. That is the difference | :20:49. | :20:51. | |
between having to have the heating on and the heating off. So, how much | :20:52. | :20:55. | |
do you think this is all cost you? For the insulation and the wood | :20:56. | :20:59. | |
burner and stuff like that, it has cost around ?10,000 to ?15,000. The | :21:00. | :21:02. | |
Government's flagship energy saving policy - the Green Deal - takes the | :21:03. | :21:06. | |
same logic. I think over the next two, three years, next five years, | :21:07. | :21:10. | |
the next ten years, we are going to dramatically transform Britain's | :21:11. | :21:13. | |
housing stock. The cost of work upfront offset by savings in the | :21:14. | :21:16. | |
bill and a loan scheme to finance them. But the Government admits only | :21:17. | :21:21. | |
219 households have so far had all the work done. The green deal's been | :21:22. | :21:34. | |
a nightmare, a complete disaster. We've gone from hundreds of | :21:35. | :21:37. | |
thousands of homes to almost no homes being insulated. Now I have to | :21:38. | :21:41. | |
actually get a guy to come and inspect my house, produce a report, | :21:42. | :21:44. | |
say what measures will pay money, say what won't. I then have to go to | :21:45. | :21:48. | |
a different supplier to install those and then have to go to my | :21:49. | :21:52. | |
electricity company and then that cost will go on my bill to be paid | :21:53. | :21:56. | |
off over ten or 15 years. That's incredibly complex and it's | :21:57. | :21:59. | |
expensive. The Green Deal has been a failure, hasn't it? Time to put it | :22:00. | :22:03. | |
out of its misery. Well, the Green Deal finance take-up hasn't been as | :22:04. | :22:06. | |
strong as we'd hoped and an awful lot. Understatement of the week that | :22:07. | :22:10. | |
one. Ah, but that's for the finance plans. An awful lot of assessments | :22:11. | :22:14. | |
have been done and an awful lot of people have realised now what | :22:15. | :22:16. | |
improvements they could make to their homes. Quite a lot of them | :22:17. | :22:20. | |
have got on with it anyway, spending their own money on it. The | :22:21. | :22:23. | |
Government is revamping the Green Deal but what about the option of | :22:24. | :22:27. | |
not just insulating our homes but ourselves. When it gets a little | :22:28. | :22:31. | |
cold in your house, do you put a vest on or do you turn the | :22:32. | :22:34. | |
thermostat up? Well, this is a subject of active policy debate in | :22:35. | :22:37. | |
the Walport household, where my wife likes me to put a vest on and wear a | :22:38. | :22:42. | |
jumper. I confess I sometimes crack and do turn the thermostat up. Oh, | :22:43. | :22:45. | |
dear. Is that practising what you preach though, if you're turning the | :22:46. | :22:48. | |
thermostat up? Shouldn't you...? No, I think what it shows is to be | :22:49. | :22:52. | |
serious for a moment it shows the very serious behavioural issues, | :22:53. | :22:56. | |
which is how do we persuade not only Walport household but all households | :22:57. | :22:59. | |
that actually we have got to adopt the tactics that will reduce our | :23:00. | :23:02. | |
energy demand. But the Government senses a game-changer. The new buzz | :23:03. | :23:05. | |
is not about using less energy, it is about finding more. On this site, | :23:06. | :23:09. | |
they are preparing the ground for what some see as the great hope for | :23:10. | :23:13. | |
the future of Britain's energy supply. Others though, as you can | :23:14. | :23:16. | |
tell by this security, are not so keen. What lies beneath here is | :23:17. | :23:21. | |
gas-bearing shale rock. The idea is to fracture it using high pressure | :23:22. | :23:26. | |
liquid - that's fracking. And near Salford, IGas have just drilled an | :23:27. | :23:31. | |
exploratory well. If the geology's right, and permits are granted, | :23:32. | :23:32. | |
fracking could well follow. What depth do you actually hope to | :23:33. | :23:41. | |
hit the shale? We should be encountering shales and some coals | :23:42. | :23:44. | |
on the way through from about 4,000 feet onwards down to 10,000 feet. | :23:45. | :23:49. | |
There could be a significant amount of shale, what it means is that you | :23:50. | :23:53. | |
can potentially recover an awful lot of gas from a single site like this | :23:54. | :23:57. | |
if that shale section is that thick and you can make it flow. A 100 | :23:58. | :24:00. | |
sites across the country of this kind of size with ten wells on each | :24:01. | :24:05. | |
could supply half of the gas that the country requires. But that comes | :24:06. | :24:10. | |
at the price of thousands of lorry movements and fears over gas, water | :24:11. | :24:15. | |
and chemical leakage. We are very confident and the Environment Agency | :24:16. | :24:18. | |
and the Health and Safety Executive with independent examiners that come | :24:19. | :24:22. | |
and check that we are doing what we say we are doing in our plans. So, | :24:23. | :24:25. | |
are you confident that fracking fluid and methane aren't going to | :24:26. | :24:28. | |
seep out into surrounding waters? Absolutely. It is definitely not | :24:29. | :24:32. | |
going to happen? It is definitely not going to happen. Frack free | :24:33. | :24:38. | |
planet, frack free planet. But many people don't share that confidence | :24:39. | :24:41. | |
and fury greeted the start of drilling here. Do not talk to me. A | :24:42. | :24:48. | |
few days later, the mood was quiet but the conviction still strong. It | :24:49. | :24:54. | |
is incredibly dangerous and it is driven by greed. There is no | :24:55. | :24:57. | |
regulation. Forget it. No jobs, no cheap energy, this is not coming | :24:58. | :25:01. | |
from fracking. We have to bring down this whole society living on an | :25:02. | :25:04. | |
addiction to fossil fuels and change to an addiction to renewables and it | :25:05. | :25:08. | |
can be done, because we are British and can do anything if we try. But | :25:09. | :25:17. | |
the Government's top scientific adviser, who passionately believes | :25:18. | :25:19. | |
we should be fighting climate change, thinks shale gas could help. | :25:20. | :25:26. | |
Shale gas is a fossil fuel but it's a fossil fuel and omits much less | :25:27. | :25:33. | |
carbon dioxide than coal. It's a better fuel. So, yes, on the way, as | :25:34. | :25:39. | |
part of a fuel mix to a low carbon future, it's a sensible thing to do. | :25:40. | :25:42. | |
Some environmentalists would be a little bit horrified by hearing you | :25:43. | :25:45. | |
say that. They'd say we've got to keep all that carbon locked up in | :25:46. | :25:49. | |
the ground? But you have to look at the evidence and the answer is that | :25:50. | :25:53. | |
it is a journey that we're on, we can't switch overnight from our | :25:54. | :25:56. | |
dependents on fossil fuel to renewable energies. While the | :25:57. | :25:59. | |
environmental impact of shale gas is disputed one economic effect is | :26:00. | :26:02. | |
clear, in America energy costs have fallen after a fracking bonanza. | :26:03. | :26:07. | |
Could that happen here with the help of recent tax breaks? The Government | :26:08. | :26:11. | |
is keen. We could see prices fall quite dramatically if it can be | :26:12. | :26:14. | |
extracted as easily as it's been extracted in the US. We now know | :26:15. | :26:20. | |
there is a lot more shale underneath us than we thought. But, unlike | :26:21. | :26:23. | |
America, gas used here follows the world price and few experts believe | :26:24. | :26:26. | |
our discoveries would be big enough to force down prices. And certainly | :26:27. | :26:33. | |
not a local opponent who also works in the oil and gas business. The | :26:34. | :26:38. | |
price of gas is not going to fall because the demand will still be | :26:39. | :26:41. | |
outstripping supply in any one year that shale gas is operating. So it's | :26:42. | :26:45. | |
a false economy, it's a false hope that you're giving people, it's | :26:46. | :26:49. | |
wrong to do that. It's a massive diversion from renewables, at the | :26:50. | :26:52. | |
end of the day the only long term solution in the UK will be renewable | :26:53. | :27:00. | |
energy. Back in Blackpool, it is all change as Josh Leyden's home and his | :27:01. | :27:03. | |
DIY insulation will soon be demolished and replaced with an | :27:04. | :27:04. | |
energy efficient flat. The big energy suppliers want to | :27:05. | :27:17. | |
shift the debate from their profits to government-imposed levies that | :27:18. | :27:20. | |
pay for the costs of combating climate change. They want more of | :27:21. | :27:27. | |
them to come off bills and into taxes. But we face conflicting | :27:28. | :27:32. | |
priorities. Until now, we've maybe been too focused on security of | :27:33. | :27:35. | |
supply and CO2 reduction without really thinking about the impact on | :27:36. | :27:39. | |
consumers. So look I think we need to move to a lower carbon economy | :27:40. | :27:43. | |
but we have to do it in a way that consumers can afford. Does that mean | :27:44. | :27:47. | |
we have to slow it down? I think ultimately we may have to slow it | :27:48. | :27:51. | |
down. In order to make a better future in 50 years' time, we need to | :27:52. | :28:00. | |
act today. We have no excuse. We have the science, we have the | :28:01. | :28:03. | |
economics, and we know that the consequences are not in 50 years | :28:04. | :28:09. | |
time. By 50 years' time, the consequences will be irreversible. | :28:10. | :28:15. | |
So, is there | :28:16. | :29:03. |