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The NHS is under financial scrutiny like never before. Yet it seems | :00:00. | :00:13. | |
billions of pounds are being lost to fraud and error every year. I think | :00:14. | :00:18. | |
every citizen in this country wants to know the truth. Tonight, Panorama | :00:19. | :00:21. | |
reveals the fraudsters who are stealing money and getting away with | :00:22. | :00:26. | |
it. We had a notebook which appeared to be an order book for these stolen | :00:27. | :00:31. | |
products. This is criminality at a professional level. It is | :00:32. | :00:39. | |
astonishing. Mr Craig, I'm from BBC. Would you stop and talk to us for a | :00:40. | :00:43. | |
moment? I've got some questions to ask. With exclusive evidence, | :00:44. | :00:44. | |
Panorama examines the sheer scale no comment. Are our politicians | :00:45. | :00:57. | |
telling us the truth? They are engaging in a very slick PR | :00:58. | :01:00. | |
operation to minimise the potential picture of fraud in the NHS. And we | :01:01. | :01:08. | |
also ask, with more private companies bidding for contracts, is | :01:09. | :01:11. | |
the current NHS monitoring system robust enough to guard against | :01:12. | :01:14. | |
mistakes? At the end, it's both the patient and the taxpayer who lose | :01:15. | :01:16. | |
out. The National Health Service is under | :01:17. | :01:43. | |
financial strain. NHS! Not for sale! Its resources are under pressure. | :01:44. | :01:47. | |
The Royal College of Nursing says the NHS in England is in a desperate | :01:48. | :01:52. | |
situation. And it's unlikely to ease. NHS England is warning it | :01:53. | :01:57. | |
could face a ?30 billion funding gap by the end of the decade. We've | :01:58. | :02:03. | |
grown used to being told about the NHS facing one crisis or another, | :02:04. | :02:07. | |
but who's telling us about the vast sums being stolen from it every day? | :02:08. | :02:14. | |
According to the government's own figures, hundreds of millions of | :02:15. | :02:17. | |
pounds of NHS money is lost every year through fraud. Good morning | :02:18. | :02:23. | |
folks. Thanks for sharing your time this morning. As you know this | :02:24. | :02:26. | |
morning's meeting is about Operation Brass. We've been given access to | :02:27. | :02:30. | |
NHS Scotland's Counter Fraud Services, or CFS. | :02:31. | :02:38. | |
Often a CFS case starts with a tip-off, like from the medical | :02:39. | :02:42. | |
supplier who'd spotted their products for sale on eBay. Products | :02:43. | :02:48. | |
they'd already sold to a Glasgow children's hospital. They could see | :02:49. | :02:54. | |
that those items had been sold previously to the Health Board by | :02:55. | :02:57. | |
numbers that appeared on the actual items themselves. Fraser Paterson | :02:58. | :03:03. | |
and his team traced the eBay account to this man, Douglas Stevenson, an | :03:04. | :03:06. | |
NHS anaesthetic assistant and a trusted employee. The counter fraud | :03:07. | :03:11. | |
team raided his home. We found a computer system which had | :03:12. | :03:21. | |
some of the products that had been stolen sitting beside the computer, | :03:22. | :03:27. | |
in effect ready to be sold. And we had a notebook which appeared to be | :03:28. | :03:31. | |
an order book and envelopes with details of the next customer. | :03:32. | :03:36. | |
Investigators found scalpels, drill bits, implants and sutures. CFS | :03:37. | :03:43. | |
interviewed Douglas Stevenson under caution. | :03:44. | :04:07. | |
Stevenson was simply going to the hospital stores, filling his bag and | :04:08. | :04:15. | |
walking out. His eBay sideline, trading in stolen goods, was | :04:16. | :04:17. | |
straightforward theft from his employers, the NHS, and the public | :04:18. | :04:25. | |
purse, and it ran into thousands. I've found here one of Douglas | :04:26. | :04:28. | |
Stevenson's eBay accounts, Stevenson136. I can see 188 people | :04:29. | :04:35. | |
have left him feedback and they're saying brilliant eBayer, excellent | :04:36. | :04:43. | |
service. Just the sheer volume of stuff here, it reads like a hospital | :04:44. | :04:49. | |
inventory. At court, Douglas Stevenson pleaded guilty to | :04:50. | :04:56. | |
defrauding the NHS out of ?23,000. He received a sentence of 20 months | :04:57. | :05:01. | |
in prison and was struck off. He's a health care professional who has | :05:02. | :05:04. | |
abused his position of trust and there are items that were intended | :05:05. | :05:08. | |
for patient care that didn't go there. So that money has gone. CFS | :05:09. | :05:14. | |
believe the total fraud added up to far more than the ?23,000 Stevenson | :05:15. | :05:21. | |
admitted to in court. Over 850 items had been stolen and sold on eBay and | :05:22. | :05:25. | |
this amounted to some ?75,000, give or take. And that's quite a | :05:26. | :05:33. | |
Conservative estimate. We asked to speak to Douglas Stevenson. Through | :05:34. | :05:37. | |
his lawyer he told us he disputes the figure, but did not want to | :05:38. | :05:41. | |
comment. Stevenson's fraud might seem small-scale but it's believed | :05:42. | :05:43. | |
there are thousands like him stealing from the NHS and the public | :05:44. | :05:51. | |
purse. Individual cases can run to nearly ?1 million. | :05:52. | :05:56. | |
Auchinleck in East Ayrshire where Stuart Craig ran his dental | :05:57. | :06:04. | |
practice. The village has just 12,000 residents, yet he was one of | :06:05. | :06:08. | |
the highest earners in the country. A random check of his patients' | :06:09. | :06:14. | |
treatment records revealed why. There's certainly no evidence of | :06:15. | :06:17. | |
these teeth needing to be filled in between them, so these are big | :06:18. | :06:22. | |
fillings that he was doing. And of course the bigger the filling, the | :06:23. | :06:26. | |
bigger the fee. It's John Cameron's job to catch dentists who aren't up | :06:27. | :06:30. | |
to scratch or are fiddling the books. Stuart Craig's bills to the | :06:31. | :06:37. | |
NHS for gold crowns caught his eye. I picked at random 40 cases. We got | :06:38. | :06:43. | |
the laboratory bills in, we checked that he had actually claimed for | :06:44. | :06:46. | |
precious metal, and the laboratory bills showed in 100% of them that he | :06:47. | :06:54. | |
had provided non-precious metal. So Stuart Craig was netting a small | :06:55. | :06:57. | |
fortune charging the NHS for gold crowns while giving his patients | :06:58. | :07:03. | |
cheaper ones. His standard of work was also causing concern. This | :07:04. | :07:11. | |
person's teeth have had...? Were being damaged by the dentist | :07:12. | :07:13. | |
carrying out work that wasn't necessary. And then you have an | :07:14. | :07:19. | |
onward spiral doing more and more treatment to the deterioration of | :07:20. | :07:25. | |
the patient. Poor fillings led to root treatments the patient may | :07:26. | :07:28. | |
never have needed. Bad root treatments led to crowns. Failed | :07:29. | :07:32. | |
crowns would have to be repeated. All money in the bank for Stuart | :07:33. | :07:37. | |
Craig. I'm ashamed as a dentist that any dentist could behave in this | :07:38. | :07:44. | |
manner. Last summer, Stuart Craig was convicted and fined for | :07:45. | :07:47. | |
defrauding the NHS of just under ?2,000, nowhere near his total | :07:48. | :07:55. | |
theft. Is that the true scale of his fraud? Well, no. I went through and | :07:56. | :08:04. | |
looked at the scale of mis-claims, and I estimate that the amount that | :08:05. | :08:08. | |
he is due to repay, which is possibly an underestimate, is | :08:09. | :08:16. | |
?782,896. In January 2012, the NHS sent Stuart Craig a bill for the | :08:17. | :08:20. | |
three-quarters of a million pounds they say he owes but they've yet to | :08:21. | :08:26. | |
receive a penny. And the man himself seems to have disappeared. But we | :08:27. | :08:33. | |
found him living in the North of Glasgow and wanted to ask him a few | :08:34. | :08:37. | |
questions. We approached him as he pulled up in his driveway. Mr Craig, | :08:38. | :08:39. | |
I'm from BBC. Mr Craig, I'm from BBC Panorama. | :08:40. | :08:58. | |
Would you stop and talk to us? I've got some questions to ask. Well, it | :08:59. | :09:02. | |
seems Mr Craig cares as much about answering our questions as he does | :09:03. | :09:05. | |
about his former patients. Hopefully the NHS will have more luck. We | :09:06. | :09:08. | |
understand they'll be serving him with a writ. | :09:09. | :09:13. | |
Some fraud can undermine our faith in even the most trusted of health | :09:14. | :09:18. | |
professionals. In the town of Greenock in Inverclyde, the local GP | :09:19. | :09:21. | |
Susan McKinnon betrayed her patients using their medical records to hide | :09:22. | :09:28. | |
her secret drug addiction. We received a call from the Health | :09:29. | :09:31. | |
Board and they had had concerns reported to them by a pharmacist in | :09:32. | :09:35. | |
the Greenock area. Dr McKinnon was at the pharmacy collecting a | :09:36. | :09:38. | |
prescription she claimed was for a patient. Staff there felt something | :09:39. | :09:48. | |
wasn't right. I just thought it was strange that a GP had come into a | :09:49. | :09:51. | |
pharmacy to collect a prescription. How unusual is that? Very. The | :09:52. | :09:57. | |
prescription was for diazepam and the opiate dihydrocodeine, both | :09:58. | :10:00. | |
controlled drugs ? one a known substitute for heroin. When she'd | :10:01. | :10:10. | |
left the building, Louise turned round and asked me, "Why is a GP | :10:11. | :10:14. | |
picking a prescription up?" A few weeks later, in another of Eddie | :10:15. | :10:17. | |
McAnerney's pharmacies, Dr McKinnon did the same thing. I'd actually | :10:18. | :10:25. | |
bagged it up and tagged it, and I thought, "Wait a minute. That's | :10:26. | :10:29. | |
diazepam and dihydrocodeine." Who's signed it? Dr McKinnon, for a | :10:30. | :10:38. | |
patient's name that was obviously different to hers. I said, "So if | :10:39. | :10:41. | |
that's you, what's your date of birth?" And she panicked. CFS were | :10:42. | :10:45. | |
called in but in her interview, Dr McKinnon gave nothing away. | :10:46. | :11:11. | |
Last June, Susan McKinnon was convicted of fraud. The official | :11:12. | :11:19. | |
value? Just a few hundred pounds. But with hundreds of fraudulent | :11:20. | :11:21. | |
prescriptions dating back four years, CFS say the true cost to the | :11:22. | :11:27. | |
NHS was several thousand. Dr McKinnon declined to be interviewed. | :11:28. | :11:32. | |
She's recently been reinstated as a GP after being suspended but only | :11:33. | :11:33. | |
under strict supervision. Across Britain, NHS fraud | :11:34. | :11:44. | |
investigators pursue around 3,000 cases a year. Officially, the | :11:45. | :11:50. | |
Government's annual fraud indicator puts fraud against the NHS at ?229 | :11:51. | :12:00. | |
million a year. But is that the true scale of what's being stolen? | :12:01. | :12:11. | |
For more than eight years, Jim Gee was the director of NHS Counter | :12:12. | :12:16. | |
Fraud Services for the Department of Health. He's one of the world's | :12:17. | :12:22. | |
foremost authorities on health care fraud and has studied 15 years of | :12:23. | :12:25. | |
international fraud and error figures. This report is based only | :12:26. | :12:32. | |
upon loss measurement exercises looking at the total cost of fraud. | :12:33. | :12:37. | |
It's the most rigorous data that's available about health care fraud in | :12:38. | :12:41. | |
the world. Tomorrow, with the University of Portsmouth, he'll | :12:42. | :12:44. | |
publish a report on the scale of health care fraud and error | :12:45. | :12:50. | |
globally. His findings for the NHS are staggering. How much money is | :12:51. | :12:56. | |
lost to fraud in the NHS each year? Just under 7% on average lost, and | :12:57. | :13:00. | |
in some cases ranging up to over 15% lost. In the UK the NHS Budget is | :13:01. | :13:07. | |
around 100 billion, so that would equate to around seven billion lost. | :13:08. | :13:13. | |
He puts more than five billion of that seven billion down to fraud | :13:14. | :13:17. | |
rather than financial error. That's more than 20 times the amount | :13:18. | :13:20. | |
recorded in the government's annual fraud indicator. Why would they say | :13:21. | :13:26. | |
that there's only ?229 million of fraud? Well the figures quoted in | :13:27. | :13:31. | |
the Government's annual fraud indicator are partial, just relating | :13:32. | :13:33. | |
to pharmaceutical and dental services. They ignore the losses | :13:34. | :13:39. | |
that might be taking place in payroll expenditure, one of the | :13:40. | :13:42. | |
largest costs to the NHS, may be taking place in procurement | :13:43. | :13:44. | |
expenditure, clearly areas where there's great potential for fraud. | :13:45. | :13:49. | |
If Jim Gee's figures are correct, all of us as patients of the NHS are | :13:50. | :13:53. | |
losing out to the tune of ?14 million every day. The amount stolen | :13:54. | :14:00. | |
every year could pay for more than 68,000 new consultants or 244,000 | :14:01. | :14:10. | |
new nurses. It's the equivalent of the NHS's entire bill for cancer | :14:11. | :14:16. | |
services. If the NHS was only losing ?229 million a year, it would be | :14:17. | :14:20. | |
doing 30 times better than any other health care organisation in the | :14:21. | :14:24. | |
world. Something I think is completely implausible. No minister | :14:25. | :14:31. | |
would be interviewed but in a statement the Department of Health | :14:32. | :14:35. | |
told us it did not recognise Jim Gee's figure or speculate on levels | :14:36. | :14:38. | |
of losses, adding the department has not downplayed the cost of fraud. | :14:39. | :14:54. | |
# Oh, the good life... # If the risk of being caught is low | :14:55. | :14:58. | |
compared to the rewards on offer, is the current policing system fit for | :14:59. | :15:07. | |
purpose? Not if the activities of a former resident of this street, | :15:08. | :15:09. | |
Birmingham's exclusive Millionaire's Row in Little Aston, are anything to | :15:10. | :15:25. | |
go by. Living here was Joyce Trail. She ran a surprisingly modest dental | :15:26. | :15:28. | |
practice seven miles up the road in Handsworth. | :15:29. | :15:33. | |
# For you can't take the chance... # Joyce Trail enjoyed the high life - | :15:34. | :15:36. | |
frequent Caribbean holidays and stays in ?1,000-a-night hotels. But | :15:37. | :15:42. | |
the sums didn't add up. She was in fact one of the most prolific | :15:43. | :15:47. | |
fraudsters in NHS history. Joyce Trail would visit care homes, | :15:48. | :15:50. | |
offering to check the residents' teeth. She'd treat some patients on | :15:51. | :15:54. | |
site but, as a trusted dentist, she now had access to residents' | :15:55. | :16:01. | |
details. She used them to claim payment from the NHS for work she | :16:02. | :16:05. | |
hadn't done, including dentures for patients who still had their own | :16:06. | :16:11. | |
teeth. And, on 154 occasions, for work carried out on patients who had | :16:12. | :16:13. | |
in fact died. I think what she has done is, | :16:14. | :16:24. | |
frankly, disgraceful. Fellow dentist Vijay Sudra believes Trail became a | :16:25. | :16:31. | |
full-time fraudster. She faked over 38,000 documents. This is | :16:32. | :16:37. | |
criminality at a professional level. It is astonishing. Over a period of | :16:38. | :16:43. | |
three years, some 75% of Joyce Trail's claims to the NHS were found | :16:44. | :16:52. | |
to be bogus. She did not go to work and say, "I'm going to treat | :16:53. | :16:55. | |
patients today." Three quarters of her dentistry was paper dentistry. | :16:56. | :17:01. | |
Trail faked invoice statements from lab technicians claiming payment | :17:02. | :17:07. | |
from the NHS. Reputable labs were dragged into the investigation and | :17:08. | :17:10. | |
had to open their records to investigators. They came here to ask | :17:11. | :17:18. | |
me if they were genuine statements or not. There was 12 months worth of | :17:19. | :17:25. | |
statements and every one was false. Trail was stealing massive amounts | :17:26. | :17:29. | |
of money to fund a lavish lifestyle. Yet it seems she didn't want to | :17:30. | :17:35. | |
spend it paying her bills. We were owed just over ?3,000, which was | :17:36. | :17:40. | |
never paid. It'd be three months wages for somebody that we couldn't | :17:41. | :17:41. | |
pay. In court, it was revealed that Joyce | :17:42. | :17:49. | |
Trail had defrauded the NHS out of ?1.4 million, the largest ever fraud | :17:50. | :17:57. | |
by an individual against the NHS. She was jailed in 2012 for seven | :17:58. | :18:03. | |
years. This wasn't the first time that Joyce Trail was found to have | :18:04. | :18:05. | |
stolen from the NHS. She had form. Back in 2004, the NHS found she'd | :18:06. | :18:16. | |
been making false claims too. She agreed to pay back ?320,000 and | :18:17. | :18:22. | |
there was no further action. Remarkably, she was able to go on | :18:23. | :18:27. | |
stealing. And there are worries that a fraud on the scale of Joyce | :18:28. | :18:32. | |
Trail's could happen again. The problem here is monitoring. Going | :18:33. | :18:36. | |
back to before 2006, there were regional dental officers who would | :18:37. | :18:42. | |
randomly assess patients. As of two or three years ago they've disbanded | :18:43. | :18:45. | |
that dental reference service, and that's a mistake. | :18:46. | :18:54. | |
Not only have the specialist dental fraud teams been disbanded, but NHS | :18:55. | :18:59. | |
Protect, the national body that investigates fraud for the | :19:00. | :19:02. | |
Department of Health, has had its budget cut by around 30% since 2006. | :19:03. | :19:11. | |
And yet over the same period, since the start of the recession, health | :19:12. | :19:15. | |
care fraud has gone up, where it's been measured, by 25% What does that | :19:16. | :19:22. | |
say to you? It says to me bad judgement. Through freedom of | :19:23. | :19:28. | |
information requests we asked NHS Protect how many counter-fraud | :19:29. | :19:32. | |
specialists it employs. The answer was 27, with a further 294 | :19:33. | :19:35. | |
investigators who work at a local level. So, that's just over 300 | :19:36. | :19:43. | |
investigators to police a potential ?5 billion of NHS fraud. Yet when it | :19:44. | :19:50. | |
comes to benefits, the Department for Work and Pensions employs six | :19:51. | :19:53. | |
times the number of investigators for less than half the amount of | :19:54. | :20:01. | |
fraud. There are many good people in NHS Protect who want to do more to | :20:02. | :20:05. | |
tackle fraud in the NHS but they don't have the resources to do the | :20:06. | :20:09. | |
job that they are capable of doing. Cutting the budget of NHS Protect | :20:10. | :20:12. | |
sends a message to fraudsters that there will be greater opportunities | :20:13. | :20:15. | |
for them to gather their ill-gotten gains. | :20:16. | :20:19. | |
The Department of Health said NHS Protect has a significant budget and | :20:20. | :20:24. | |
protects and safeguards front line NHS services. | :20:25. | :20:33. | |
In Dorset, Barry Hards is a local NHS fraud specialist. Until April | :20:34. | :20:40. | |
last year, he had responsibility for investigating contractors to the NHS | :20:41. | :20:47. | |
in his area, like opticians. That's now passed to a new body called NHS | :20:48. | :20:52. | |
England. The question is, have they got the resource to deal with new | :20:53. | :20:56. | |
cases, new referrals? And my suspicion, as of my colleagues, is | :20:57. | :21:02. | |
the answer to that is no. Minutes of a meeting of NHS England's Audit | :21:03. | :21:05. | |
Committee appears to reinforce Barry Hards' concerns. Under the title | :21:06. | :21:11. | |
Budgets for Counter Fraud Work it says: | :21:12. | :21:21. | |
How can you have confidence that there's a likelihood you'll be | :21:22. | :21:25. | |
discovered, found out, when there's very few people looking at you? And | :21:26. | :21:37. | |
I think it's a genuinely held concern that some people in senior | :21:38. | :21:40. | |
positions have just taken their eye off the ball on this. So it's a good | :21:41. | :21:45. | |
time to be getting away with it? In my view, yes. NHS England told us it | :21:46. | :21:50. | |
was committed to detecting and preventing fraud. Health care in the | :21:51. | :22:01. | |
21st century is changing. Professor Mark Button has watched as private | :22:02. | :22:05. | |
companies have entered the NHS in increasing numbers. The Government | :22:06. | :22:11. | |
argues it encourages competition and efficiency. But does it also bring | :22:12. | :22:17. | |
new risks? These companies come in and they bid for work on a very | :22:18. | :22:23. | |
tight budget. And if the service is not being delivered as it should, | :22:24. | :22:27. | |
there may be a risk those types of individuals then manipulate or | :22:28. | :22:28. | |
falsify data. So does a new, competitive, NHS need | :22:29. | :22:40. | |
to do more to ensure that the data it uses to judge performance is | :22:41. | :22:42. | |
subject to proper scrutiny? In 2006, here in Cornwall, one of | :22:43. | :22:55. | |
the biggest private companies working in the NHS won a ?32 million | :22:56. | :23:03. | |
contract. Serco was to provide the out of hours GP service. It meant | :23:04. | :23:08. | |
anyone falling ill after hours would be treated by a doctor working for | :23:09. | :23:13. | |
the company. In May 2012, Maggie Sloggett needed an out of hours | :23:14. | :23:16. | |
doctor when her partner Darren became unwell. He deteriorated quite | :23:17. | :23:22. | |
quickly, and in that time I felt I needed to phone for help. They then | :23:23. | :23:28. | |
said, we'll get someone to ring you back. She says she never received a | :23:29. | :23:35. | |
call and Darren was getting worse. He was unable to talk and I couldn't | :23:36. | :23:39. | |
communicate with him to find out how he was feeling. I was shaking, I was | :23:40. | :23:42. | |
quite frightened to be honest. She called an ambulance and | :23:43. | :23:50. | |
paramedics gave Darren morphine and took him to hospital, where he | :23:51. | :23:56. | |
recovered. Serco say their team did call back twice, but the calls went | :23:57. | :24:02. | |
to voice mail. They say they took no further action once it was confirmed | :24:03. | :24:07. | |
an ambulance was on its way. While Maggie and Darren's case may have | :24:08. | :24:10. | |
simply been crossed wires, others were complaining about the time it | :24:11. | :24:15. | |
took to see a doctor. It was then revealed that Serco's records were | :24:16. | :24:19. | |
wrong. They said a few patients did see a GP on time when they hadn't. | :24:20. | :24:25. | |
Whistle-blowers started to raise concerns. We've spoken to a number | :24:26. | :24:30. | |
of informants, including a nurse who worked for Serco. | :24:31. | :24:33. | |
I came in one morning and there had been one car doctor for the whole of | :24:34. | :24:40. | |
Cornwall during the night. She went on to raise concerns about how data | :24:41. | :24:45. | |
was manipulated. If Serco didn't meet their targets to see patients | :24:46. | :24:49. | |
in the time I'd allocated for them, it was flagged up as a fail. There | :24:50. | :24:54. | |
were times that I knew that targets weren't being met, and yet it was | :24:55. | :24:58. | |
being recorded there had been no failures. | :24:59. | :25:03. | |
Serco's audit uncovered 252 occasions over six months where | :25:04. | :25:06. | |
patient response times were altered by two employees. That's just 0.2% | :25:07. | :25:15. | |
of all calls and some were only changed by a few seconds. But that | :25:16. | :25:19. | |
sometimes meant the company scored a pass rather than a fail. And some | :25:20. | :25:26. | |
months the NHS Trust thought all emergency patients were being seen | :25:27. | :25:27. | |
within an hour, which wasn't true. Serco and the local Primary Care | :25:28. | :25:41. | |
Trust were summoned before the Public Accounts Committee at | :25:42. | :25:43. | |
Westminster and cross-examined by the chair, Margaret Hodge. While at | :25:44. | :25:50. | |
no time were they being accused of fraud, she wanted to get to the | :25:51. | :25:53. | |
bottom of why two Serco supervisors, who've now left, had manipulated the | :25:54. | :25:59. | |
data. What was the financial or other incentive for them to cheat? | :26:00. | :26:03. | |
There was no financial gain to them or the company for the changes that | :26:04. | :26:08. | |
they made. It's something we've reflected on as to what their | :26:09. | :26:11. | |
motives were and I can only assume that they wished to portray better | :26:12. | :26:19. | |
view of performance of the service. Because it seems to me very odd to | :26:20. | :26:23. | |
want to manipulate data, if there isn't an incentive there for you to | :26:24. | :26:28. | |
do it. She then questioned the NHS Trust on why, despite the 252 | :26:29. | :26:36. | |
errors, it hadn't penalised Serco. Why was that not enough for you to | :26:37. | :26:42. | |
think we should stop paying them? It was considered, because clearly we | :26:43. | :26:45. | |
expect our providers to give us honest information. Say yes or no. | :26:46. | :26:51. | |
252 lies was not enough, for you, in your judgement. One lie is too many. | :26:52. | :26:55. | |
They never got a penny less. They'd lied 252 times and they never got a | :26:56. | :26:57. | |
penny less. No they didn't. It is deeply frustrating to my | :26:58. | :27:07. | |
committee that, time and time again, where there's been a failure, the | :27:08. | :27:11. | |
terms of the contract are so poorly written that you can't actually fine | :27:12. | :27:14. | |
the private contractor for failure to deliver. They're good at winning | :27:15. | :27:22. | |
the contracts. They're less good at delivering the public services. And, | :27:23. | :27:26. | |
at the end, it's both the patient and the taxpayer who lose out. Serco | :27:27. | :27:31. | |
voluntarily paid back ?85,000 in performance-related bonuses. In a | :27:32. | :27:37. | |
written response, they told Panorama that the data manipulation was | :27:38. | :27:44. | |
wholly unacceptable. In relation to the claim of only one car doctor | :27:45. | :27:47. | |
covering the whole of Cornwall, they say this only ever happened once. | :27:48. | :27:52. | |
They went on to tell us that the last inspection by the Care Quality | :27:53. | :27:55. | |
Commission found it fully compliant, that the NHS found it is currently | :27:56. | :27:59. | |
providing a good service and feedback from patients is also very | :28:00. | :28:07. | |
positive. From private company employees manipulating documents to | :28:08. | :28:11. | |
dentists drilling for gold. We've uncovered worrying flaws in the | :28:12. | :28:14. | |
ability of the NHS to ensure all its money is properly accounted for. We | :28:15. | :28:23. | |
need to not be embarrassed, or in denial. We need to get on with | :28:24. | :28:27. | |
tackling the problem, minimising its cost, maximising resources available | :28:28. | :28:32. | |
for proper patient care. With potentially billions in savings on | :28:33. | :28:35. | |
offer, the cost of ensuring rigorous monitoring of NHS finances seems a | :28:36. | :28:39. | |
small price to pay to safeguard our money. | :28:40. | :28:44. |