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Tomorrow Pope Francis meets the Queen at the Vatican. | :00:09. | :00:14. | |
One year on, he's confronting the financial and sexual scandals his | :00:15. | :00:20. | |
predecessor couldn't cope with. The Church was considered a sort of | :00:21. | :00:23. | |
global culprit for all these scandals. | :00:24. | :00:28. | |
The Pope's making enemies amongst the rich and the powerful. But | :00:29. | :00:32. | |
Francis is putting the poor at the heart of his mission. | :00:33. | :00:38. | |
The Pope clearly says to us do keep a special eye on the poor. This is | :00:39. | :00:43. | |
just pure Marxism coming out of the mouth of the Pope. So can this Pope | :00:44. | :00:48. | |
bring a Revolution to the Catholic Church where others have failed? | :00:49. | :00:55. | |
But he's aware of the dangers? Yes, yes. | :00:56. | :01:13. | |
They call it the Francis effect. The Pope who's greeted like a rock star | :01:14. | :01:22. | |
whenever he appears. Tens of thousands of people pack St Peter's | :01:23. | :01:25. | |
Square in Rome at his weekly audience to catch a glimpse of him. | :01:26. | :01:30. | |
Francis is bringing disillusioned Catholics back to the church with | :01:31. | :01:33. | |
his common touch and his hard hitting words. | :01:34. | :01:39. | |
There's no doubt about the Pope's popularity. But who is Francis | :01:40. | :01:44. | |
really? And are the changes he's bringing to the Church for real, or | :01:45. | :01:51. | |
is it just style not substance? Above all, can Francis really | :01:52. | :01:53. | |
satisfy the enormous expectations that he's raised? He's becoming the | :01:54. | :01:59. | |
moral voice of the world. So people are listening to him. That's what | :02:00. | :02:03. | |
the religious leaders are supposed to be. | :02:04. | :02:08. | |
But in becoming the moral voice within the Church, Francis is | :02:09. | :02:14. | |
meeting resistence, making enemies. What we perceive is that the | :02:15. | :02:17. | |
honeymoon of the Pope is going to finish and in a short time we might | :02:18. | :02:21. | |
have those silent resistences coming out more loudly. | :02:22. | :02:28. | |
In his speeches the Pope's been spelling out why the Church needs a | :02:29. | :02:30. | |
revolution. A year ago the shock resignation of | :02:31. | :02:51. | |
the old Pope Benedict exposed the parlous state of the Catholic | :02:52. | :02:55. | |
Church. Benedict admitted he didn't have the stamina to carry on. | :02:56. | :03:01. | |
Scandals were rocking the Church. Corruption, sex abuse of children, | :03:02. | :03:04. | |
gay intrigues. Some of it even leaked by his own butler. | :03:05. | :03:14. | |
When the Cardinals met in conclave to choose a new leader they knew the | :03:15. | :03:23. | |
next Pope had to save the Church. One year ago the Church was | :03:24. | :03:26. | |
considered sort of a global culprit for these scandals. | :03:27. | :03:33. | |
Massimo Franco is one of Italy's foremost political commentators an | :03:34. | :03:46. | |
expert on the Vatican. The Church had arrived to such a | :03:47. | :03:50. | |
miserable condition that it had to behave as it did and the conclave | :03:51. | :03:53. | |
was a great surprise, a happy surprise. | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
When Francis was elected he stepped into the limelight not with the | :03:59. | :04:02. | |
usual formal words, but a simple Italian greeting. | :04:03. | :04:11. | |
Buena serra. And with that the first Latin | :04:12. | :04:14. | |
American Pope began to transform the style of the papacy. | :04:15. | :04:23. | |
The stuffy formality has gone out of the window. Pope Francis doesn't use | :04:24. | :04:29. | |
the Papal limousine. And he won't wear the special red Papal slippers. | :04:30. | :04:35. | |
The Pope tends to ring people up out of the blue. He left a jokey message | :04:36. | :04:37. | |
when some nuns weren't at home. The Pope's not a superman, he told a | :04:38. | :04:54. | |
paper. But he loves football and having his photo taken with his | :04:55. | :05:01. | |
fans. Francis has become a global phenomenon, with his Pope app and 17 | :05:02. | :05:10. | |
million followers on Twitter. His wish is to show the world that | :05:11. | :05:15. | |
to be a Pope you are a leader, but at the same time you are one of | :05:16. | :05:22. | |
them. And this is his philosophy, this was and this is, and this will | :05:23. | :05:25. | |
continue being his philosophy of life. | :05:26. | :05:30. | |
An Argentinian priest who knew him back home experienced the Pope's | :05:31. | :05:32. | |
extraordinary personal touch in St Peter's Square. | :05:33. | :05:38. | |
He said, what are you doing here? What are we doing here! He was | :05:39. | :05:43. | |
laughing. He gestured for me to get in. The first thing I thought was, | :05:44. | :05:53. | |
nobody's going to believe this! I was struck by the Pope's serenity, | :05:54. | :05:56. | |
the way he looks at people. He's seeing each individual person. | :05:57. | :06:03. | |
Putting the individual back at the heart of the Church is what Francis | :06:04. | :06:07. | |
has been doing for years where he came from. The Pope is from one of | :06:08. | :06:13. | |
Latin America's great cities, Buenos Aires in Argentina. He was born | :06:14. | :06:21. | |
Jorge Bergoglio into a family of working class Italian immigrants. | :06:22. | :06:32. | |
Jorge was one of five children. This is his sister Maria Elena in a rare | :06:33. | :06:44. | |
interview filmed at home. TRANSLATION: Ever since I can | :06:45. | :06:47. | |
remember, he's always been very present in our lives. He's always | :06:48. | :06:54. | |
been very warm, and protective. In the Milonga clubs at night they | :06:55. | :06:57. | |
still dance the tango. Just as the young Bergoglio did with his | :06:58. | :07:01. | |
girlfriend. Until one day during confession he experienced a powerful | :07:02. | :07:11. | |
urge to dedicate his life to God. TRANSLATION: Our father was happy | :07:12. | :07:15. | |
with Jorge's decision to become a priest. It was a little harder for | :07:16. | :07:19. | |
our mother. He was her son and he was leaving. But she was happy. Mum | :07:20. | :07:27. | |
lived to see him ordained. Dad didn't, he died very young. | :07:28. | :07:36. | |
Jorge Bergoglio quickly became head of the Jesuits, then Archbishop of | :07:37. | :07:39. | |
the great Metropolitan cathedral in the Plaza de Mayo. But he never | :07:40. | :07:47. | |
forgot his humble origins. He always used the subway, not a | :07:48. | :07:54. | |
chauffeur. For 20 years Archbishop Bergoglio | :07:55. | :07:57. | |
came to this barber shop off the square to catch up on the gossip and | :07:58. | :08:03. | |
the football scores. He bought his paper from the stand on the corner. | :08:04. | :08:08. | |
Until the vendor got a call from Rome. It was the Pope, cancelling | :08:09. | :08:15. | |
his subscription. One of the Pope's closest friends in | :08:16. | :08:19. | |
Buenos Aires is a rabbi. They wrote a book together on religion. | :08:20. | :08:25. | |
He is a leader, a natural leader who knows how to combine humbleness and | :08:26. | :08:29. | |
leadership to be very close to the people. It's in the vilas here, the | :08:30. | :08:43. | |
slums, you see the social deprivation the Pope wants the | :08:44. | :08:46. | |
Church to focus on. In doing so he's pushing into controversial political | :08:47. | :08:54. | |
territory. Pope Francis has said the Church must be a field hospital, | :08:55. | :08:57. | |
treating the wounded. He's saying that based on his experiences of the | :08:58. | :09:02. | |
slums here. He's putting the poor at the heart of his mission to change | :09:03. | :09:10. | |
the Catholic Church. It's Sunday morning and Father Juan | :09:11. | :09:13. | |
Isasmendi is celebrating Holy Communion. Archbishop Bergoglio | :09:14. | :09:17. | |
ordained him and asked him to dedicate his life to the poor. | :09:18. | :09:31. | |
TRANSLATION: He made us certain that only by practising our pastoral | :09:32. | :09:34. | |
ministry as if we were missionaries and getting close to people would | :09:35. | :09:37. | |
Christ's message flower in their hearts. | :09:38. | :09:42. | |
As Archbishop, Bergoglio doubled the number of priests in the slums. They | :09:43. | :09:46. | |
deal with poverty, violence and drugs. Everyone here knows Father | :09:47. | :09:59. | |
Juan. Father Juan showed me the football | :10:00. | :10:03. | |
stadium of San Lorenzo. It's the team the Pope supports, but it lies | :10:04. | :10:07. | |
alongside streets which are no-go areas. The effects of "paco" - a | :10:08. | :10:14. | |
cocaine-based drug - can be seen everywhere. The church provides a | :10:15. | :10:19. | |
safety net for the street people, the addicts and the prostitutes. | :10:20. | :10:27. | |
They feed 120 of the poorest people every day at the church, help them | :10:28. | :10:34. | |
find jobs. Nahwel was abandoned on the street | :10:35. | :10:39. | |
as a baby. He's still homeless but the Church has been a lifeline for | :10:40. | :10:46. | |
him. To him the Pope isn't just a remote figure in Rome. | :10:47. | :10:57. | |
TRANSLATION: He does many things no other Pope did before. He is great, | :10:58. | :11:01. | |
a good guy. When I listen to him speak I say, "This man is big, he's | :11:02. | :11:15. | |
cool". Yeah, he's a genius. Francis is still the champion of the | :11:16. | :11:20. | |
poor. But now in the grandeur of the Vatican. When the Pope appointed his | :11:21. | :11:30. | |
first Cardinals he made it clear he was shifting power in the Church, | :11:31. | :11:34. | |
away from Europe to the developing world. Benedict appeared in public | :11:35. | :11:37. | |
for the first time since his resignation. People saw it as a sign | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
he backed Francis in tackling the Curia - the Church's governing body. | :11:42. | :11:47. | |
This Pope doesn't want to be led by the Curia, the other one was a | :11:48. | :11:51. | |
prisoner of the Curia. The Pope must change radically the Curia. If he | :11:52. | :11:56. | |
doesn't change radically the Curia, he can be popular, he can succeed at | :11:57. | :12:00. | |
world level, but he will not actually change the Church. | :12:01. | :12:07. | |
The Curia has been dominated by Italians for hundreds of years. But | :12:08. | :12:12. | |
most of Francis new cardinals were from Asia and Africa. | :12:13. | :12:18. | |
Vincent Nichols of Westminster was one of the exceptions. | :12:19. | :12:24. | |
I think he wants a college of cardinals that reflects the | :12:25. | :12:27. | |
distribution of Catholics around the world. I think he wants a college of | :12:28. | :12:33. | |
cardinals of people who live with and work alongside the poor. And I | :12:34. | :12:36. | |
think he wants leaders from the great big cities of the world like | :12:37. | :12:40. | |
Buenos Aires, Rio and Seoul and London. | :12:41. | :12:47. | |
Three quarters of the world 1.2 billion Catholics live in Latin | :12:48. | :12:53. | |
America, Asia and Africa. What do you think of Pope Francis? | :12:54. | :13:02. | |
Nice. More than half the Cardinals are | :13:03. | :13:08. | |
from Europe, most from Italy. Now they're losing ground as Francis | :13:09. | :13:15. | |
gathers new advisors around him. The Italians have done a marvellous | :13:16. | :13:19. | |
job so far in being able to help the Holy Father, to take decisions. But | :13:20. | :13:23. | |
now's the time for professionalism, now that today the world is moving | :13:24. | :13:27. | |
so fast, changing so fast. He's answering the needs of the times. | :13:28. | :13:34. | |
Oswald Gracias is from India. He is one of the so-called C8, eight | :13:35. | :13:37. | |
Cardinals from the four corners of the world. They are the new power in | :13:38. | :13:41. | |
the Vatican. And that is threatening the old guard. | :13:42. | :13:45. | |
His critics are not usually open critics, they are people of the old | :13:46. | :13:49. | |
Curia who say he is going too far with reforms .They are telling that | :13:50. | :13:53. | |
he is a prisoner of a sort of Gorbachev syndrome. He is reforming | :13:54. | :13:57. | |
too much and too much in depth, so that he risks to destroy the Church. | :13:58. | :14:10. | |
Every change is difficult. Every change has resistance. Every change | :14:11. | :14:14. | |
makes people uncomfortable, but change is inevitable, and it's | :14:15. | :14:17. | |
always important to make change before you're forced to make the | :14:18. | :14:18. | |
change. It's not just within the Church that | :14:19. | :14:30. | |
Francis is stirring things up. His new Cardinal Vincent Nichols | :14:31. | :14:32. | |
received congratulations from a visitor once at the heart of British | :14:33. | :14:42. | |
politics. But just days before, he had upset | :14:43. | :14:46. | |
David Cameron. Taking his cue from Francis, the Cardinal criticised | :14:47. | :14:49. | |
welfare cuts for removing the safety net for the poor. | :14:50. | :14:53. | |
The Pope clearly says to us, do keep a special eye on the poor, and what | :14:54. | :14:57. | |
I was saying was what I'd been told by the priests who work on the | :14:58. | :15:00. | |
ground, people who are there alongside the poor. Now, the causes | :15:01. | :15:04. | |
of poverty are very complex, but nevertheless, there's something | :15:05. | :15:10. | |
wrong when people are just left. And I think the Holy Father would | :15:11. | :15:13. | |
understand that and echo that directly himself. | :15:14. | :15:24. | |
In his keynote exhortation to the faithful, Francis launched a | :15:25. | :15:40. | |
blistering assault on the whole capitalist system. | :15:41. | :15:48. | |
This is pretty strong stuff. The Pope attacks what he calls the | :15:49. | :15:51. | |
'economy of exclusion', which deadens us, he says, 'to the misery | :15:52. | :15:55. | |
of the poor'. He is scathing about the current 'idolatry of money'. | :15:56. | :15:57. | |
Condemning debt, corruption and tax evasion. The Pope's words have | :15:58. | :16:04. | |
infuriated Conservatives. Particularly in the US. The | :16:05. | :16:10. | |
Republican Party's favourite radio 'shock jock' attacked Francis. | :16:11. | :16:15. | |
The Pope here has now gone beyond Catholicism here and this is just | :16:16. | :16:19. | |
pure Marxism coming out of the mouth of the Pope. | :16:20. | :16:23. | |
But Francis keeps on highlighting the world's most intractable social | :16:24. | :16:31. | |
problems. His first trip was to Lampedusa, the | :16:32. | :16:34. | |
Italian island where desperate migrants from Africa wash up. Many | :16:35. | :16:39. | |
drown on the way, victims of people trafficking. | :16:40. | :16:44. | |
The Church can't close her eyes or be insensitive to the sufferings of | :16:45. | :16:48. | |
people. That is not the Church which Jesus wants. | :16:49. | :16:50. | |
Pope Francis is reminding us of this. You are not just there to | :16:51. | :16:55. | |
correct people. You are there to help people. That is what you have | :16:56. | :17:00. | |
got to do. The Pope also wants to get to grips | :17:01. | :17:03. | |
with the most difficult international conflicts. One of his | :17:04. | :17:08. | |
first acts was to wash the feet of young offenders. Including, | :17:09. | :17:15. | |
controversially, two Muslim women. Both of us believe that dialogue is | :17:16. | :17:17. | |
the key to avoid conflicts. His Jewish friend is going with | :17:18. | :17:28. | |
Francis to the Middle East next month to try and bring warring | :17:29. | :17:32. | |
faiths together. How does Pope Francis think he can | :17:33. | :17:36. | |
achieve anything in the Middle East? It's so difficult. What is he able | :17:37. | :17:40. | |
to do? Special prayers, special moments of | :17:41. | :17:43. | |
spirituality, this is the diplomacy of the Pope. The idea is to feel | :17:44. | :17:48. | |
some deep sentiment of friendship to both of the sides. | :17:49. | :17:58. | |
Before solving the world's problems, the Pope must tackle the Vatican. | :17:59. | :18:05. | |
This city state within a state is used to running its own affairs. It | :18:06. | :18:12. | |
has its own diplomats, financial institutions, its Swiss Guard. This | :18:13. | :18:15. | |
was once the Renaissance court of the Borgias. The scene of plots and | :18:16. | :18:19. | |
murder. But Francis has refused to play the King. | :18:20. | :18:46. | |
In a clear break with tradition, Francis has chosen to live in Santa | :18:47. | :18:52. | |
Marta, a modest guest house. Not alone in the Papal apartment. | :18:53. | :18:59. | |
TRANSLATION: When the Pope says he lives here for | :19:00. | :19:17. | |
psychiatric reasons, he means for his sanity. | :19:18. | :19:22. | |
He is surrounded by more ordinary people, not isolated in a Papal | :19:23. | :19:25. | |
apartment under the influence of the Vatican's courtiers. | :19:26. | :19:29. | |
How Francis lives is a rebuke to the whole Vatican edifice of status and | :19:30. | :19:37. | |
power. He wants to say to all the Cardinals | :19:38. | :19:42. | |
and Bishops who fight to get all the best flats in the Vatican, listen, | :19:43. | :19:46. | |
times have changed. And this is a big challenge because I think in the | :19:47. | :19:49. | |
Vatican, his choice has been very much disputed,. And is still | :19:50. | :19:56. | |
disputed, although silently. The Pope invited his old friend from | :19:57. | :20:00. | |
Buenos Aires to lunch in the guesthouse. | :20:01. | :20:05. | |
He is surrounded in Santa Marta by very faithful, trustful people. | :20:06. | :20:13. | |
Has he talked to you about the difficulties he faces in Rome? | :20:14. | :20:21. | |
Of course, he is aware on that. Yes, he knows exactly what the problems | :20:22. | :20:26. | |
are. Francis has demoted some of his | :20:27. | :20:28. | |
predecessor's most powerful officials. | :20:29. | :20:31. | |
The new Pope keeps his own diary, makes his own phone calls. And he | :20:32. | :20:41. | |
has an authoritarian streak. He is a man who knows very well what | :20:42. | :20:46. | |
being a Pope means, so he is a man who knows what power is. He is a man | :20:47. | :20:52. | |
with sometimes a short temper. He gets angry if somebody doesn't do | :20:53. | :20:53. | |
what he has decided must be done. Francis quickly decided something | :20:54. | :21:07. | |
must be done to end the financial scandals which have tainted the | :21:08. | :21:08. | |
Curia. This medieval-looking tower is the | :21:09. | :21:18. | |
Institute for Religious Works. The so-called Vatican Bank. For years, | :21:19. | :21:24. | |
it was used as a conduit for dirty money, even involving criminal | :21:25. | :21:25. | |
organisations like the Mafia. Nello Rossi, an Italian Prosecutor | :21:26. | :21:37. | |
who has tried Mafia cases, has investigated the Vatican Bank. | :21:38. | :21:49. | |
TRANSLATION: The Vatican City State is an enclave within the Italian | :21:50. | :21:52. | |
state, therefore any financial institutions operating in it have no | :21:53. | :21:54. | |
boundaries. There are no financial controls. | :21:55. | :21:59. | |
For a long time, extreme secrecy prevailed and a lack of | :22:00. | :22:01. | |
co-operation. The Bank was established to give the | :22:02. | :22:08. | |
Church financial sovereignty, but some accounts were misused. | :22:09. | :22:16. | |
Some people were able to use the Vatican Bank for money-laundering | :22:17. | :22:21. | |
purposes. It was like wading across a river without leaving a trace. | :22:22. | :22:29. | |
They could send money into a secret account there and get it back | :22:30. | :22:30. | |
through another bank. When international financial | :22:31. | :22:41. | |
regulations were tightened up, the Vatican Bank was seen as toxic. In | :22:42. | :22:46. | |
2010, the police began to investigate. Italy's main banks | :22:47. | :22:50. | |
stopped dealing with the Vatican Bank. The last Pope, Benedict, tried | :22:51. | :22:56. | |
to clean it up, but was thwarted by powerful insiders in the Vatican. | :22:57. | :23:01. | |
Were there strong people within the Vatican perhaps who did not want | :23:02. | :23:06. | |
those reforms to succeed? TRANSLATION: I can't say anything | :23:07. | :23:08. | |
about this, but the bureaucratic structure, old habits and old ways | :23:09. | :23:11. | |
of operating surely represented a resistance, as far as I could see | :23:12. | :23:13. | |
from the outside. But after Francis arrived, he | :23:14. | :23:25. | |
increased co-operation with the authorities. | :23:26. | :23:31. | |
After a two-year investigation, a senior Vatican official was | :23:32. | :23:34. | |
arrested. Monsignor Scarano was charged with money laundering and | :23:35. | :23:42. | |
corruption. It is extraordinary that he could go | :23:43. | :23:46. | |
to the Vatican Bank and withdraw 600,000 Euros. As he admitted | :23:47. | :23:51. | |
himself, go out easily and come back to Italy without any checks. | :23:52. | :23:57. | |
Scarano lived in this extravagant 17-room apartment. All paid for, | :23:58. | :24:03. | |
allegedly, when he used false donations to move money from | :24:04. | :24:08. | |
offshore to the Vatican. He denies the charges. | :24:09. | :24:32. | |
Pope Francis has set up a new system directly challenging the old Curia. | :24:33. | :24:39. | |
Now Cardinals from different parts of the world and professional | :24:40. | :24:42. | |
advisors will manage the Church's finances. | :24:43. | :24:46. | |
The former Director-General of the Bank and his Deputy are awaiting | :24:47. | :24:49. | |
trial for violating money laundering laws. The Pope has even acknowledged | :24:50. | :24:56. | |
the Vatican Bank might have to be closed down. But whatever happens | :24:57. | :25:00. | |
from now on, he says the Church's finances must be based on | :25:01. | :25:02. | |
transparency and honesty. We can perceive very well there are | :25:03. | :25:14. | |
tensions. Tensions with the powers that are | :25:15. | :25:18. | |
within the Vatican and have been there historically for a long time? | :25:19. | :25:23. | |
Yes, there are very much tensions with all the powers which covered | :25:24. | :25:27. | |
the dirty manoeuvres of the Bank for years. | :25:28. | :25:31. | |
In Rome, the Pope is taking on powerful forces. But he too has been | :25:32. | :25:38. | |
under pressure for what he did back home many years ago. | :25:39. | :25:47. | |
Argentina is still scarred by the 'Dirty War' of the '70s, when the | :25:48. | :25:53. | |
Pope, then Jorge Bergoglio, was a rising star in the Catholic Church. | :25:54. | :25:59. | |
A right-wing military dictatorship ruled and thousands of young people | :26:00. | :26:02. | |
regarded as left-wing radicals disappeared. Many were tortured and | :26:03. | :26:12. | |
killed. Among them were some priests sympathetic to the class struggle. | :26:13. | :26:17. | |
But many in the Church hierarchy collaborated with the military. | :26:18. | :26:28. | |
It was a very, very terrible time. A dark time, a time of darkness. | :26:29. | :26:32. | |
Jorge Bergoglio was head of the Jesuits. He demanded his priests | :26:33. | :26:38. | |
stop working in a slum. It was risky politically. They refused. | :26:39. | :26:44. | |
A writer on a left-wing paper here accused the Pope of being complicit | :26:45. | :26:48. | |
in the arrest and torture of two priests. One has since died and the | :26:49. | :26:54. | |
other refutes the claims. The Pope himself has strongly denied the | :26:55. | :26:57. | |
accusation, saying he did what he could to save the priests. | :26:58. | :27:06. | |
A friend of the Pope's says she owes her life to him. Alicia Oliviera was | :27:07. | :27:12. | |
a lawyer, forced into hiding during the Dirty War. | :27:13. | :27:16. | |
Jorge Bergoglio used to drive her secretly in his car to see her young | :27:17. | :27:25. | |
son at school. TRANSLATION: He took a great risk because at the time, | :27:26. | :27:28. | |
Jorge was being followed and he was under surveillance. | :27:29. | :27:32. | |
It was also risky for me because they were looking for me. So we were | :27:33. | :27:34. | |
both in great danger. Alicia took me to the Jesuit school | :27:35. | :27:42. | |
where Bergoglio brought her so long ago. All this has been stirred up | :27:43. | :27:52. | |
since he became Pope. I'd say that Bergoglio's critics are | :27:53. | :27:55. | |
very vocal these days, they weren't quite so vocal at that time, because | :27:56. | :27:58. | |
no-one said anything, there were very few of us who dared speak out. | :27:59. | :28:09. | |
Jorge Bergoglio helped many people. Could he have done more? | :28:10. | :28:13. | |
I don't know. He did what he could. He did a lot. Maybe he could have | :28:14. | :28:23. | |
done more, but I'm very grateful for the huge amount he did. | :28:24. | :28:28. | |
He said, of course, that maybe we had to do much more in order to save | :28:29. | :28:32. | |
people, but when you are living in the middle of the drama, you do what | :28:33. | :28:35. | |
you can. Deciphering just what he did in | :28:36. | :28:50. | |
Argentina has become important to understand where the Pope is coming | :28:51. | :28:56. | |
from. Is he on the left or the right? And what does that means for | :28:57. | :29:01. | |
the Church? Those who know the Pope here say he's a more subtle figure, | :29:02. | :29:12. | |
not easily categorised. TRANSLATION: I think we're making a | :29:13. | :29:17. | |
mistake if we place him in a specific political category, because | :29:18. | :29:20. | |
he views reality according to the Gospels. I don't think those | :29:21. | :29:23. | |
parameters exist in his heart. I think he's a profoundly traditional, | :29:24. | :29:27. | |
but not at all conservative man. Frances has neatly sidestepped one | :29:28. | :29:30. | |
issue which has tripped up the Church many times - the gay issue. | :29:31. | :29:37. | |
The hypocrisy, as many see it, of condemning homosexual acts as a sin | :29:38. | :29:40. | |
while rumours of a gay lobby in the Vatican persist. | :29:41. | :29:47. | |
Francis gave a remarkable press conference in a plane soon after | :29:48. | :29:52. | |
becoming Pope. He made it clear when it came to sexuality it was the | :29:53. | :29:56. | |
individual that counted, not Church dogma. | :29:57. | :30:10. | |
It was perhaps surprising, given the position he took publicly as | :30:11. | :30:16. | |
Archbishop Bergoglio four years ago. When the Argentine government | :30:17. | :30:18. | |
legalised gay marriage he and the Church opposed it. A theologian and | :30:19. | :30:26. | |
gay rights activist, Marcello Marquez, wrote to Bergoglio to | :30:27. | :30:30. | |
protest. The Archbishop immediately rang him. | :30:31. | :30:40. | |
TRANSLATION: So he tells me he mostly agrees with my opinion. He | :30:41. | :30:43. | |
said he thinks Argentina is not ready for a same-sex marriage law, | :30:44. | :30:47. | |
but it is ready for people of sexual diversity to have rights. However he | :30:48. | :30:51. | |
was in favour of a civil partnership law, that's what he said to me. | :30:52. | :30:59. | |
So privately Bergoglio was more flexible and more liberal than his | :31:00. | :31:07. | |
public stance suggested. TRANSLATION: I think these gestures | :31:08. | :31:12. | |
and these symbols he's showed throughout this first year, reveal | :31:13. | :31:15. | |
that he is a strategist in evangelical terms and also political | :31:16. | :31:26. | |
terms. Gestures and symbols may not be | :31:27. | :31:30. | |
enough when it comes to tackling the biggest problem of all. The Pope has | :31:31. | :31:36. | |
acknowledged the sexual abuse of children by priests has stained the | :31:37. | :31:39. | |
Church's reputation and cost it millions in compensation. | :31:40. | :31:59. | |
TRANSLATION: But the sex abuse scandal is now about action not | :32:00. | :32:03. | |
words. And evidence from Argentina suggests the Pope's not always | :32:04. | :32:09. | |
tackled this problem head on. Sebastian Cuattromo was one of | :32:10. | :32:11. | |
thousands of children worldwide sexually abused by priests. It | :32:12. | :32:16. | |
happened at the Marianista college in Buenos Aires. | :32:17. | :32:26. | |
TRANSLATION: It was here I suffered sexual abuse. By the priests. You | :32:27. | :32:32. | |
were quite small at the time. 13? Yes, 13. Sebastian was brutally | :32:33. | :32:36. | |
abused for years by Father Picciochi, a teacher at the school. | :32:37. | :32:45. | |
TRANSLATION: I was really scared and kept silent, unfortunately. There | :32:46. | :32:48. | |
was a lot of abuse, violence and misuse of power. The priest was | :32:49. | :32:54. | |
eventually prosecuted and jailed. Sebastian won a legal battle to get | :32:55. | :32:59. | |
the school to accept responsibility. But they insisted he should keep | :33:00. | :33:03. | |
silent about it. Sebastian wasn't happy and took the issue to | :33:04. | :33:08. | |
Bergoglio's office. But he says the Church backed the school on the | :33:09. | :33:13. | |
confidentiality issue. TRANSLATION: My experience with the | :33:14. | :33:19. | |
then Cardinal Bergoglio as head of the Church in this city was very | :33:20. | :33:24. | |
bad, very negative. I had to face a position where they did not | :33:25. | :33:26. | |
acknowledge the seriousness of a crime such as the sexual abuse of | :33:27. | :33:29. | |
minors. They minimized and underestimated the scale of the | :33:30. | :33:38. | |
problem. We contacted the Archdiocese in | :33:39. | :33:41. | |
Buenos Aires but no one was available to speak to us about | :33:42. | :33:52. | |
Sebastian's case. In Rome Francis has set up a | :33:53. | :33:56. | |
commission on sexual abuse in the Church and his advisors insist | :33:57. | :34:04. | |
there's a new tough line. Zero tolerance is really the key | :34:05. | :34:07. | |
word of the policy. Certainly, whoever's made any mistake has got | :34:08. | :34:11. | |
to answer the law of the land, has got to be penalised. But now we also | :34:12. | :34:16. | |
have got to look ahead and make sure it doesn't happen again and also | :34:17. | :34:19. | |
make sure there are policies for child protection. | :34:20. | :34:27. | |
But campaigners say Francis's new Commission is just a talking shop. | :34:28. | :34:30. | |
The Church is still failing to get to grips with this scandal. | :34:31. | :34:45. | |
There has been for a long time a mentality, a culture of the secret | :34:46. | :34:48. | |
which prevented the church to confront this in the right way this | :34:49. | :34:52. | |
huge problem. So that the Church still now is subject to attacks by | :34:53. | :34:56. | |
people who say it is not doing enough. | :34:57. | :34:59. | |
Frances wants to move forward now. He's getting the Church to consult | :35:00. | :35:03. | |
Catholics everywhere on how to bring the teachings on the family into | :35:04. | :35:06. | |
line with modern life. Abortion, birth control and the rights of | :35:07. | :35:11. | |
divorcees to receive the sacraments. These are thorny issues. | :35:12. | :35:17. | |
For Pope Francis the real hard challenges are still to come. The | :35:18. | :35:24. | |
faithful love him, but he has yet to prove he can bring about lasting | :35:25. | :35:29. | |
change in the Catholic church. He is a very stubborn person. And he | :35:30. | :35:39. | |
will continue working and fighting very carefully through very clever | :35:40. | :35:46. | |
ways, intelligent ways. Francis may have sidelined some of | :35:47. | :35:49. | |
the church's most powerful officials. But they're still lurking | :35:50. | :35:55. | |
in the corridors of the Vatican. Yes, there are enemies. They have | :35:56. | :36:01. | |
gone underground because now he's very popular, but I'm sure that if | :36:02. | :36:04. | |
there are problems they will mushroom. They will come to the | :36:05. | :36:08. | |
surface and will point a blaming finger towards Francis. | :36:09. | :36:16. | |
There's a precedent for what could happen if Francis fails in his | :36:17. | :36:19. | |
Revolution. His predecessor resigned, worn out by the cares of | :36:20. | :36:26. | |
Papal office. If he doesn't succeed in bringing | :36:27. | :36:30. | |
about change, will he resign, do you think? What will he do? No, he's a | :36:31. | :36:36. | |
fighter, he's a fighter. He will not resign. | :36:37. | :36:43. | |
The Pope is still regularly in touch with his old friends back home. | :36:44. | :36:56. | |
They're all aware of the history of Papal Rome, the intrigues and | :36:57. | :36:59. | |
machinations, the mysterious end some papacies have come to. | :37:00. | :37:04. | |
TRANSLATION: I believe he has strong enemies in the Vatican, cardinals. | :37:05. | :37:08. | |
There's a lot of power, a lot of money. In fact, I tell him clearly. | :37:09. | :37:11. | |
I say, be careful, the Borgias are still there. But he's aware of the | :37:12. | :37:21. | |
dangers? Yes. Yes. But at the same time he believes that God will help | :37:22. | :37:30. | |
him. Pope Frances has millions of the | :37:31. | :37:34. | |
faithful urging him on. But the Church bureaucracy has hundreds of | :37:35. | :37:37. | |
years of experience in protecting its interests. The battle is far | :37:38. | :37:40. | |
from over. | :37:41. | :37:48. |