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a father who harmed his child. | 0:00:03 | 0:00:06 | |
I hate him. That's a strong word, but I do hate him and I always will. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
The parent convicted of shaking who protests his innocence. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:14 | |
You should dig deeper before you ruin their life. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
..the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
And the doctor found guilty of | 0:00:20 | 0:00:21 | |
giving irresponsible and dishonest evidence in court. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:26 | |
I can find nothing to support the hypothesis | 0:00:26 | 0:00:28 | |
that shaking was involved. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
The stakes could not be higher. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
Most miscarriages of justice can often be traced back | 0:00:33 | 0:00:38 | |
to an expert who has ventured outside their field of expertise. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:42 | |
Tonight, I'm on a journey into the heart of a row | 0:00:42 | 0:00:46 | |
over whether doctors can be certain when a baby has been shaken. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:51 | |
If I thought I had done anything wrong, I would have shut up. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:56 | |
Immediately. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:57 | |
He's got a really good sense of humour. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
He constantly makes people laugh every day. He makes me laugh. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
Charlie is nine years old and he has boundless energy. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:21 | |
He loves talking to people and meeting new people. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
I've come to meet Charlie and his mother Joanne | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
at their home in Huddersfield. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
-Where's Alison? -I'm just here, Charlie. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
Charlie was a healthy baby. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
-You all right? -Yeah. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
Now, he's almost completely blind. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
Is the light on at the moment? | 0:01:45 | 0:01:47 | |
On. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
On, yes. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:50 | |
Off. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:51 | |
It was a normal delivery and everything. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
When he was 15 weeks old, he collapsed | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
and was rushed to hospital. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:00 | |
They didn't think he was going to make it through the night | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
and he was just this tiny, tiny little baby and having these | 0:02:03 | 0:02:07 | |
massive seizures, which were just horrible to watch. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:11 | |
His father, who was looking after him, said he'd choked. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:15 | |
But that explanation didn't add up for doctors, | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
so both parents fell under suspicion. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
The doctor did ask me if Charlie had suffered any trauma. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
He said, "Has he had any falls? | 0:02:24 | 0:02:26 | |
"Has he banged his head? "Has anything happened to him?" | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
The police eventually charged Charlie's father with harming him. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:34 | |
At the start of his trail, he admitted shaking his son violently. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
I hope he lives with what he did to Charlie | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
for the rest of his life, every day. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
He was jailed for four years for causing grievous bodily harm. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
I hate him. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:56 | |
That's a strong word, but I do hate him and I always will. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
Charlie continues to live with the effects of being shaken. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
He suffered bleeding on the brain, behind the eyes | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
and brain swelling. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
Together, these three symptoms are called the triad. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:12 | |
For most doctors, they point towards a diagnosis of what used | 0:03:12 | 0:03:16 | |
to be called shaken baby syndrome. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
It's now known as abusive head trauma. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
Last year, hospitals recorded more than 100 cases | 0:03:22 | 0:03:26 | |
of babies with these symptoms. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:28 | |
We are now more confident that that so-called triad | 0:03:28 | 0:03:32 | |
of symptoms or signs, the bleeding behind the eyes, | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
the bleeding of the head and the sudden collapse, | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
we are more confident about that | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
as being caused by an abusive injury. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
Children's doctor Geoff Debelle says there is good scientific evidence. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:49 | |
It's the mainstream view. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:51 | |
Nothing's easy when it comes to this area, | 0:03:53 | 0:03:56 | |
but figures are up around 85% or over | 0:03:56 | 0:04:01 | |
in terms of probability, based on systematic reviews. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:05 | |
So, for every 100 babies with the triad of symptoms, | 0:04:07 | 0:04:12 | |
most doctors think further evidence of abuse | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
will usually be found in about 85 - | 0:04:15 | 0:04:18 | |
leaving 15 cases where we can't be sure | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
or where natural causes are discovered. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
Are these cases that keep you awake at night? | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
Yeah. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:30 | |
They do. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:33 | |
In what way? | 0:04:33 | 0:04:35 | |
Am I wrong? | 0:04:35 | 0:04:36 | |
That's the one. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:39 | |
How sure can I be? | 0:04:40 | 0:04:41 | |
Could it have been something else? | 0:04:41 | 0:04:43 | |
There are, though, a small number of doctors who believe the triad | 0:04:48 | 0:04:52 | |
is not strong enough evidence to diagnose abuse. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
I would think it may well be possible to shake a baby | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
sufficiently that you kill it. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
I'm sure that if you're violent enough, you could do that. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
But I don't think we can say | 0:05:06 | 0:05:07 | |
because we have the triad that shaking has taken place. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
Doctor Waney Squier studies babies' brains. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
Her research into how they develop | 0:05:15 | 0:05:17 | |
and how brain cooling can help treat injury has been a ground-breaking. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:22 | |
She believes there's a lack of proof | 0:05:22 | 0:05:24 | |
for the mainstream view on shaking. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:26 | |
There is very little science in shaken baby syndrome. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
It's become a label. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:35 | |
Virtually all of the data supporting shaken baby syndrome | 0:05:36 | 0:05:41 | |
have taken babies who had the triad and called them abuse. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:45 | |
We're not there at the time of collapse. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
We don't know if these babies have been shaken or not. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
Dr Squier gives expert evidence in court, usually for the defence. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:57 | |
In 2010, she was reported to the doctor's regulator, | 0:05:57 | 0:06:01 | |
the General Medical Council or GMC. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:05 | |
She's accused of misrepresenting research, | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
going beyond her expertise and misleading the courts. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
For the past 12 months, we've followed Dr Squier. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:18 | |
She fears being struck off, no longer allowed to practise medicine. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:23 | |
I'm still going to fight it very hard because I think that | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
would be completely wrong and completely disproportionate. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
I'm at the end of a long career, | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
over 30 years studying baby brains. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:34 | |
Today, she's on her way to the latest hearing. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:39 | |
She estimates she's given evidence in 50 cases | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
involving allegations of shaking. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
In the spotlight are six where judges were highly critical of her. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:50 | |
Now, there's a seventh - | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
an appeal against an adoption. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
The judges complained they didn't know Dr Squier | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
was under investigation. | 0:06:58 | 0:06:59 | |
It's a long day, | 0:07:03 | 0:07:04 | |
which goes against her. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
I'm still a bit numb. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:08 | |
I think it needs to sink in. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:09 | |
The hearing concludes she must inform the lawyer | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
she's working with that she's facing allegations. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
She says she always does. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
Back at work in Oxford, she checks the GMC website. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:29 | |
She remains defiant. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:31 | |
You've got this feeling inside where you just feel sick. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
I'm not going to be beaten up by a small group of people | 0:07:34 | 0:07:38 | |
who are determined to get me out of the courts. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
The GMC insists Dr Squier's views on shaking | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
are not under scrutiny, | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
just how she gives her evidence. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
Judges said that evidence of shaken baby syndrome... | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
I first met Dr Squier more than a decade ago. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:57 | |
She once agreed with most doctors that the triad | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
of brain and eye symptoms pointed to a child being shaken. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
I went along with what I was taught at medical school | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
and what was in the textbooks | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
and believed that shaken baby syndrome existed, | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
that if we had the triad, I would write the diagnosis | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
of shaken baby syndrome. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:18 | |
She even gave evidence for the prosecution in about ten cases | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
where parents were accused of shaking their baby. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
I remember being here at the Royal Courts of Justice in London | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
in 2005. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
I was reporting on a case where a mother was appealing | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
against her conviction and Dr Squier had given evidence | 0:08:38 | 0:08:42 | |
that had helped convict her. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
This time, Dr Squier was appearing for her. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:49 | |
Dr Squier had changed sides, | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
giving evidence against a conviction she'd helped to secure. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:57 | |
The mother's conviction was quashed. | 0:08:57 | 0:08:59 | |
There was new research into abusive head injuries in children. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:05 | |
It reported that the brain damage doctors expected to see | 0:09:05 | 0:09:09 | |
hadn't been found. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:10 | |
It made Dr Squier question the whole shaken baby diagnosis. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:15 | |
That's why she believes it's essential to challenge science | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
in cases where so much is at stake. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
I think one of the favourite parts of being a dad is feeding time. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:32 | |
These are precious photos for Ela. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
They show her brother Ryszard Spiewak in 2008 | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
with his newborn son Piotr. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
Unfortunately, I never had a chance to meet him. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
I hoped for it, but it... | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
didn't happen. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:52 | |
She was in Poland, Ryszard was in Peterborough. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
When Piotr was six weeks old, | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
he collapsed whilst in his father's care. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
Four days later he died. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
My mum called me and she told me | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
that my brother was arrested on the suspicion of murdering his son. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:10 | |
And I cried my eyes after hearing this. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
At the trial, the prosecution pointed to bleeding | 0:10:14 | 0:10:18 | |
and brain swelling, that suggested Piotr had been shaken. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:22 | |
He also appeared to have ten broken ribs and fractures to his skull. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:27 | |
It looked straightforward. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:30 | |
But defence experts discovered the skull fractures | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
were gaps in the bone caused by a genetic condition. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:37 | |
Some very senior people have | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
completely misinterpreted these findings. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
A colleague of mine in Oxford looked at the scans | 0:10:43 | 0:10:45 | |
and picked up the diagnosis. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
The prosecutor said, "Can we just stop the trial now and postpone it?" | 0:10:48 | 0:10:54 | |
My brother was released on bail, we thought... | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
"..This is it, he'll be released." | 0:10:59 | 0:11:01 | |
But that wouldn't be the end of the case. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:04 | |
These are some of the most difficult decisions that are made, | 0:11:11 | 0:11:15 | |
both by criminal courts | 0:11:15 | 0:11:16 | |
and family courts, where children can be taken into care. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:20 | |
I'm going to meet a retired High Court judge | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
who's presided over about a dozen cases | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
where shaking has been alleged. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
In cases where children have been harmed, | 0:11:29 | 0:11:31 | |
allegedly by their parents, the stakes are extraordinary high | 0:11:31 | 0:11:35 | |
because in a criminal case, a parent is facing a long prison sentence. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:39 | |
In family cases, they are facing the loss of surviving children. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:44 | |
Decisions that can pull families apart. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:50 | |
One of the UK's leading barristers says it adds to the pressure | 0:11:50 | 0:11:54 | |
in cases that stand or fall by the medical evidence. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:58 | |
In the criminal law, we call for certainty. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
You know, "Don't convict somebody," a judge will say, | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
unless you are sure that they are guilty. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
And that draws people into levels of sureness. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:14 | |
"I am categorically sure that this baby couldn't have had | 0:12:14 | 0:12:16 | |
"these injuries unless it was shaken." | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
Somebody on the other side saying, "Well, actually, I don't think it would have taken very much." | 0:12:18 | 0:12:22 | |
It's the system that does it, | 0:12:22 | 0:12:23 | |
it turns people into dogmatic witnesses. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
This area of medicine is a small world where experts know each other. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:36 | |
And Dr Squier is not the only one to have had a rethink. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:40 | |
-Hi. -How are you? | 0:12:41 | 0:12:43 | |
I'm so sorry I couldn't be here for your party. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
Dr Norman Guthkelch has just celebrated his 100th birthday. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:53 | |
He's one of the scientists who, more than 50 years ago, | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
helped identify the triad | 0:13:01 | 0:13:03 | |
by studying children who were shaken by their parents. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:07 | |
You can't just leap from an observation | 0:13:09 | 0:13:12 | |
to a conclusion of that sort | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
unless you're absolutely certain | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
that there's no other possibility. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:20 | |
He is also worried that some doctors are too quick to say | 0:13:21 | 0:13:25 | |
a child has been shaken. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:27 | |
No accusation of criminal activity should ever be made | 0:13:27 | 0:13:33 | |
without excellent reasons. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:37 | |
Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:44 | |
Dr Squier travels the world giving evidence in cases | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
of alleged shaking. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:51 | |
She's in the United States for the trial of 34-year-old David Allen. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:56 | |
He's accused of killing his baby son. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth | 0:13:59 | 0:14:01 | |
and nothing but the truth, so help you God? | 0:14:01 | 0:14:03 | |
-I do. -Kindly have a seat. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:04 | |
In the UK, filming isn't usually allowed in court, but here it is. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:09 | |
I can find nothing to support the hypothesis | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
that shaking was involved. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:17 | |
I cannot exclude there having been trauma, which left no mark, | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
and led to swelling. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
Yet, David Allen admitted shaking, crushing and dropping | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
his nine-month-old son, | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
then retracted his confession. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
Dr Squier accepts he may be guilty, | 0:14:32 | 0:14:36 | |
but can only comment on the child's brain damage. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
She says there are other explanations she can't rule out, | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
such as a stroke. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:44 | |
It's what I've seen in a number of other cases | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
with obstruction of blood flow out of the brain. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:51 | |
Next, the sort of questioning she regularly faces in UK courts. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:57 | |
-Rib fractures could be caused by trauma. -Yes. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
And wrist fracture could be caused by trauma, correct? | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
All of those can be explained by trauma, isn't that true? | 0:15:03 | 0:15:05 | |
Ah, they can, but it doesn't fit the whole picture in this case. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
According to you. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:09 | |
No, according to the findings, according to the evidence. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
-Thank you. -WOMAN: -And underneath it... | 0:15:12 | 0:15:14 | |
Her disciplinary action is also on the agenda. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
The prosecutor focuses on the cases the GMC is considering, | 0:15:17 | 0:15:22 | |
where others had diagnosed shaking. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
And you were indicating that that could not be a diagnosis | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
made in those cases? | 0:15:28 | 0:15:30 | |
In all of those cases, I suggested that shaking was unlikely | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
because there were other more likely causes of their collapse. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
After weighing all the evidence, the jury finds David Allen guilty. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:42 | |
He's now serving a 20-year prison sentence. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
Well, I'm getting quite used to being | 0:15:45 | 0:15:47 | |
one of the few experts for the defence, | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
sometimes I'm the only one, that's just the way it is. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:54 | |
Partly, it's a funding issue, | 0:15:54 | 0:15:55 | |
but it's mostly because I'm one of the few people | 0:15:55 | 0:15:57 | |
who is willing to challenge this shaken baby hypothesis. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:02 | |
Back in the UK, Dr Squier moves the 160 miles from home | 0:16:12 | 0:16:17 | |
to a rented cottage near Manchester, | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
ready for the five-month hearing that will decide her future. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:25 | |
Just look, look at that. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:26 | |
Isn't that absolutely fantastic? | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
She does accept some parents hurt their children, | 0:16:32 | 0:16:36 | |
but she's accused of insisting there could be natural causes, | 0:16:36 | 0:16:40 | |
whilst ignoring evidence that strongly points to shaking. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:44 | |
The case being made against you is that whether it's HIV, | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
choking, thrombosis, anything however unsupported, | 0:16:49 | 0:16:54 | |
that you will still say, "This is not shaking." | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
That's the nub of what the GMC is saying. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:02 | |
I believe that's incorrect | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
in that in all of these cases, | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
my arguments for an alternative diagnosis WERE supported, | 0:17:08 | 0:17:12 | |
whereas the shaking hypothesis was NOT supported in any of these cases. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:17 | |
Have you quite simply become too fixed, | 0:17:18 | 0:17:22 | |
too engrossed in your standpoint on this? | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
I very much hope not | 0:17:26 | 0:17:27 | |
because I'm constantly reading the literature, I'm constantly | 0:17:27 | 0:17:31 | |
seeing what those who believe in shaken baby syndrome are writing. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:36 | |
I, whenever I can, go to meetings and discuss it with those | 0:17:36 | 0:17:40 | |
who are willing to discuss it | 0:17:40 | 0:17:42 | |
because it's too important to get wrong. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:46 | |
She's also accused of offering opinions | 0:17:48 | 0:17:50 | |
outside her particular specialism. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
If any expert does that, it's serious. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
Most, but not all, | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
but most miscarriages of justice can often be traced back | 0:18:00 | 0:18:04 | |
to an expert who has ventured | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
outside their field of expertise, | 0:18:07 | 0:18:09 | |
but has nevertheless maintained that aura of authority, | 0:18:09 | 0:18:13 | |
which has led to people placing a reliance on it | 0:18:13 | 0:18:17 | |
they shouldn't have done. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:18 | |
Sir Mark was the judge | 0:18:20 | 0:18:21 | |
in at least one of the cases for which she's criticised. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:25 | |
But he has concerns about a small number of experts | 0:18:25 | 0:18:29 | |
on both sides of the argument. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:31 | |
And I think there are some who simply will not accept | 0:18:31 | 0:18:36 | |
that shaking can cause the kind of injuries that are regularly seen | 0:18:36 | 0:18:43 | |
and there are others who are sometimes too ready | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
to come to the conclusion there has been shaking, | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
when actually, it may be a case that medical knowledge | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
simply does not yet fully understand the mechanisms. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
Given these broader concerns, | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
some of Dr Squier's supporters | 0:18:59 | 0:19:01 | |
believe she's been unfairly targeted. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
I expected a very boring talk, to be honest, I expected it... | 0:19:04 | 0:19:08 | |
Heather Kirkwood, an American lawyer, | 0:19:08 | 0:19:10 | |
thinks Dr Squier's problems can be traced back six years | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
to a conference in the States | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
for international experts on shaken baby cases. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
She took careful notes at one workshop. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
Well, within five minutes it was clear that this was a talk | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
on a coordinated plan to eliminate those who questioned | 0:19:27 | 0:19:33 | |
shaken baby syndrome, particularly in the courts in the UK. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
Which must have caused him... | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
Colin Welsh, a detective inspector with the Metropolitan Police, | 0:19:38 | 0:19:42 | |
led the workshop. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:44 | |
He told delegates how convictions in the UK had increased. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
He said he'd worked with lawyers and doctors | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
to question everything about defence experts. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:54 | |
"Qualifications, employment history, testimony, | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
"research papers presented by these experts." | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
His notes were obtained under the Freedom of Information Act. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:06 | |
They describe how two of the most high-profile defence experts | 0:20:06 | 0:20:10 | |
were facing disciplinary action. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
"It is now inconceivable that the defence will be able to | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
"successfully deploy these experts in similar cases in the future." | 0:20:17 | 0:20:22 | |
One is Dr Squier, the other, Dr Marta Cohen. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:27 | |
I felt at some moments very down. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
I even had my... | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
I have considered leaving the UK. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:37 | |
Dr Cohen has an international reputation for investigating | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
unexplained deaths in babies. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
Everything that was said confirmed that there was a plan. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
It's very sad because the only way that science can progress | 0:20:48 | 0:20:53 | |
is through debate. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:55 | |
The way that this has been treated is to silence science. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
This is what I feel that they are just obliterating. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:02 | |
But the notes from the 2010 workshop also make DI Welsh's concerns clear. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:11 | |
He and others were worried by a number of cases | 0:21:11 | 0:21:14 | |
where people accused of harming children were acquitted. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
His belief is that people who do bad things to children | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
are getting away with it and that you're helping them. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
I very much hope we're not allowing child abusers to get away, | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
but my concern is that on the contrary, we're... | 0:21:29 | 0:21:33 | |
we're convicting or removing children from... | 0:21:33 | 0:21:38 | |
parents who haven't harmed their children because we haven't seen, | 0:21:38 | 0:21:43 | |
we haven't had enough emphasis on the natural causes of this triad. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:48 | |
..that their actions had cost the lives of... | 0:21:48 | 0:21:50 | |
Colin Welsh, who retired three years ago, hasn't commented. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
The Metropolitan Police say they fully supported | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
his involvement in the 2010 conference. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
Last October, Dr Squier's full hearing begins | 0:22:05 | 0:22:09 | |
at the Medical Practitioners Tribunal Service. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
Over the next five months, | 0:22:13 | 0:22:15 | |
the GMC prosecutor details the case against Dr Squier. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:20 | |
It takes place away from cameras. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
"She flouted the rules and was driven by a desire..." | 0:22:24 | 0:22:26 | |
"She gets a report that doesn't support her view, | 0:22:26 | 0:22:28 | |
"yet cracks on anyway with her..." | 0:22:28 | 0:22:30 | |
"We submit she acted irresponsibly in each case." | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
Her defence team fights back, saying all experts | 0:22:34 | 0:22:38 | |
provide some information outside their narrow specialism. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:42 | |
"The court will not be assisted by being left in ignorance | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
"that there are views opposing..." | 0:22:45 | 0:22:47 | |
"She did not give any evidence | 0:22:47 | 0:22:48 | |
"which was deliberately misleading or dishonest." | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
The panel retires to consider its decision. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:57 | |
Dr Squier is convinced cases like Ryszard Spiewak's | 0:22:59 | 0:23:03 | |
underline why scientific opinion should be challenged. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:07 | |
His trial was stopped when it was discovered a genetic abnormality | 0:23:07 | 0:23:12 | |
caused gaps in his son's skull. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
They weren't fractures, | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
but Ryszard soon faced a second trial, | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
again accused of shaking Piotr. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:24 | |
He insisted he hadn't harmed him, that his baby had a fit. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:28 | |
Doctor Squier gave evidence in his defence. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
We had a perfectly natural explanation for this. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:36 | |
This all could have been due to the malformation that this baby had, | 0:23:36 | 0:23:41 | |
the genetic problem. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:42 | |
But the prosecution said Ryszard | 0:23:42 | 0:23:44 | |
was a video game addict, angered by his crying son. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:48 | |
There was the triad of symptoms associated with shaking | 0:23:49 | 0:23:53 | |
and what appeared to be ten broken ribs. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:57 | |
He got senten...life sentenced with minimum 16 years. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:02 | |
We lost... | 0:24:02 | 0:24:04 | |
all the hope and... | 0:24:04 | 0:24:05 | |
..we didn't know what's going to happen next. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:09 | |
For six years now, | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
Ela and her mother have been visiting Ryszard in prison. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:17 | |
His case still worries Dr Squier, | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
so she discussed it with a leading geneticist. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:24 | |
He's funded new research | 0:24:24 | 0:24:25 | |
into the effect of Piotr's genetic condition on human ribs. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:30 | |
If it turns out to be linked to rib damage, then it could mean | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
Ryszard's conviction for murder is unsafe. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
If there is any doubt in someone's case, you know, | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
you should dig deeper and... | 0:24:42 | 0:24:44 | |
..you should check every detail before you actually convict someone | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
and ruin their life. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:50 | |
-ALL: -Happy birthday... | 0:24:51 | 0:24:53 | |
There's no doubt Charlie was shaken, | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
so his mum worries doctors won't be vigilant enough. | 0:24:56 | 0:25:00 | |
If Charlie's dad would have got away with what he'd done, I don't know... | 0:25:01 | 0:25:05 | |
how I would have lived with that. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
She now campaigns to highlight the dangers of shaking. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:12 | |
She has a simple message for anyone who becomes tired or stressed | 0:25:12 | 0:25:17 | |
caring for a baby. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:19 | |
Walk away. Put the baby down. Take a break. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
Let the baby scream or cry if it needs to, | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
that's not going to harm it or kill it. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
But if they pick that baby up, | 0:25:27 | 0:25:29 | |
just a few seconds of shaking can cause that damage | 0:25:29 | 0:25:33 | |
that is going to affect them for the rest of their life. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
The scientific arguments over shaken baby cases | 0:25:38 | 0:25:40 | |
will need to be resolved, | 0:25:40 | 0:25:43 | |
but that won't happen at disciplinary hearings, | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
according to the doctors' regulator. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:49 | |
The GMC and, indeed, the courts | 0:25:49 | 0:25:51 | |
are not a way of resolving scientific dispute. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:56 | |
We recognise that people have high passions around this area. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
Ultimately they will be resolved by scientific experts | 0:26:02 | 0:26:06 | |
coming together to more of a shared view of what is happening. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
Now, that's complex and difficult. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:11 | |
12 years ago, there was an equally bitter row over the way | 0:26:12 | 0:26:17 | |
doctors handled so-called cot deaths. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
There was an inquiry which took the heat out of that dispute, | 0:26:20 | 0:26:24 | |
led by Baroness Kennedy. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
I think it's very helpful to have | 0:26:27 | 0:26:29 | |
an inquiry that takes place | 0:26:29 | 0:26:31 | |
with a level of calm, where you can look at the evidence, | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
rather than turning on individuals. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
We shouldn't close our minds down on the fact that | 0:26:37 | 0:26:39 | |
there may be truths on both sides. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:41 | |
I asked if the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health | 0:26:42 | 0:26:46 | |
would consider leading such a review. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:49 | |
The notion you put of a - if I can say it - | 0:26:49 | 0:26:52 | |
a Baroness Kennedy-like working group would be an ideal way forward. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:58 | |
I think I'll take you up on that idea. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
We shouldn't be asking the courts to adjudicate on these arguments, | 0:27:01 | 0:27:07 | |
we should be doing it ourselves. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:09 | |
The college will discuss the idea at its next child protection meeting. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:15 | |
That will be too late for Dr Squier. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
Last Friday, the disciplinary panel decided | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
she'd brought her profession into disrepute | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
through the evidence she gave in court. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:27 | |
'It concluded she'd been irresponsible, | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
'dishonest and misleading.' | 0:27:30 | 0:27:32 | |
Do you regret getting involved in these cases? | 0:27:32 | 0:27:36 | |
If I thought I had done anything wrong, I would have shut up. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:40 | |
Immediately. And gone back and hidden away. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:44 | |
I don't think I've done anything wrong. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:48 | |
And I think that, essentially, this will be shown. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:53 | |
In the next fortnight she's likely to be sanctioned. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:58 | |
She may be struck off. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:00 | |
So, we light it, but we can't touch it. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:05 | |
We're lighting the candle to raise awareness | 0:28:05 | 0:28:08 | |
for the children that have passed away. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:10 | |
At the heart of these arguments are children who need our protection. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:15 | |
The most important thing is the child and finding out exactly, | 0:28:15 | 0:28:20 | |
you know, what happened, getting the truth. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
Finding that truth couldn't be more important for babies. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:29 | |
Dr Squier has been judged to be misleading in evidence she's given, | 0:28:29 | 0:28:34 | |
but that won't end the scientific row. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
Only doctors can do that. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:39 |