Browse content similar to Too Poor to Stay Warm. Check below for episodes and series from the same categories and more!
Line | From | To | |
---|---|---|---|
Millions of people in the UK can't afford to keep warm in winter. | 7:29:15 | 7:29:19 | |
Sometimes, behind these closed doors, no-one really, | 7:29:19 | 7:29:22 | |
really knows your tears and your frustrations. | 7:29:22 | 7:29:25 | |
Their struggles are usually hidden from view. | 7:29:28 | 7:29:31 | |
So that's £12 in two days! | 7:29:31 | 7:29:34 | |
Are you telling me this is right? | 7:29:34 | 7:29:36 | |
This isn't right. | 7:29:36 | 7:29:37 | |
We've spent the winter with those really feeling the cold. | 7:29:39 | 7:29:43 | |
If it was warm in the bedroom, I'd be in there now. | 7:29:43 | 7:29:46 | |
But I daren't go in, because I'd end up with pneumonia. | 7:29:46 | 7:29:50 | |
And we reveal the shocking death toll caused by | 7:29:50 | 7:29:53 | |
Britain's cold-homes scandal. | 7:29:53 | 7:29:55 | |
Last year, we estimate about 9,000 people | 7:29:55 | 7:29:58 | |
died as a result of living in a cold home. | 7:29:58 | 7:30:00 | |
9,000 people. | 7:30:00 | 7:30:02 | |
We all feel the cold when the temperature drops. | 7:30:26 | 7:30:29 | |
But for some people, winter weather can be a matter of life and death. | 7:30:29 | 7:30:34 | |
The elderly are most at risk. | 7:30:34 | 7:30:37 | |
In the UK, one in ten pensioners is officially in fuel poverty. | 7:30:37 | 7:30:41 | |
That means they can't afford to heat their homes. | 7:30:41 | 7:30:44 | |
Hi, Olive, I'm Datshi. | 7:30:46 | 7:30:47 | |
Pleased to meet you. | 7:30:47 | 7:30:49 | |
The Government says it spends £2 billion a year helping | 7:30:49 | 7:30:52 | |
pensioners like Olive Naismith pay their fuel bills. | 7:30:52 | 7:30:55 | |
Put your hands round the cup. | 7:30:55 | 7:30:57 | |
It's right warm. | 7:30:57 | 7:30:59 | |
'But Olive still can't keep warm on her state pension.' | 7:30:59 | 7:31:02 | |
I've got a cold most of the winter. | 7:31:02 | 7:31:05 | |
I'm fed up with them, | 7:31:05 | 7:31:06 | |
because I'm never free from it in the winter months, and I'm cold. | 7:31:06 | 7:31:10 | |
Me hands are cold all the time, and my feet. | 7:31:10 | 7:31:13 | |
I can't walk some days with my feet. | 7:31:13 | 7:31:16 | |
Olive can only afford to heat one room of her bungalow. | 7:31:19 | 7:31:23 | |
She's moved her bed into the living room so she can live | 7:31:23 | 7:31:26 | |
and sleep in a single room. | 7:31:26 | 7:31:28 | |
It's strange, me bed being in the lounge. | 7:31:30 | 7:31:32 | |
If it were warm in the bedroom, I'd be in there now. | 7:31:33 | 7:31:36 | |
That's that done. | 7:31:36 | 7:31:38 | |
But I daren't go in, because I'd end up with pneumonia. | 7:31:38 | 7:31:41 | |
SHE SNIFFS | 7:31:43 | 7:31:45 | |
This is the coldest weekend of the winter so far. | 7:31:45 | 7:31:49 | |
It's starting to go cold now. | 7:31:49 | 7:31:51 | |
I'm in the lounge with the fire on, and you go into the kitchen | 7:31:52 | 7:31:57 | |
or to the toilet, and you can feel how freezing it is. | 7:31:57 | 7:32:02 | |
It's going to be cold tonight, really cold. | 7:32:02 | 7:32:05 | |
It wasn't supposed to be this way. | 7:32:14 | 7:32:17 | |
David Amess thought he had found a solution 16 years ago. | 7:32:17 | 7:32:21 | |
Have you seen the impact that fuel poverty can have on people? | 7:32:22 | 7:32:26 | |
Well, I have. | 7:32:26 | 7:32:27 | |
It's not only some families being in despair | 7:32:27 | 7:32:30 | |
because they can't afford to heat their properties. | 7:32:30 | 7:32:34 | |
But I had a constituent die of hypothermia. | 7:32:34 | 7:32:37 | |
In this day and age, for someone to die of fuel poverty is | 7:32:37 | 7:32:41 | |
totally unacceptable. | 7:32:41 | 7:32:43 | |
The Conservative MP campaigned for fuel poverty to be ended by law. | 7:32:43 | 7:32:48 | |
In the year 2000, Parliament agreed. | 7:32:48 | 7:32:51 | |
Fuel poverty would be stopped by 2016. | 7:32:51 | 7:32:55 | |
Year after year, governments have reassured me that fuel poverty | 7:32:55 | 7:32:59 | |
would be eradicated, and now we find ourselves in this situation | 7:32:59 | 7:33:04 | |
that we're coming up to the target date and it hasn't been met. | 7:33:04 | 7:33:08 | |
We don't want words, we want action. | 7:33:08 | 7:33:11 | |
According to the Government's own figures, | 7:33:17 | 7:33:20 | |
there are still more than five million people | 7:33:20 | 7:33:23 | |
in fuel poverty today. | 7:33:23 | 7:33:25 | |
The promise has been broken. | 7:33:25 | 7:33:27 | |
Nobody from the Government would be interviewed, but it says it's | 7:33:28 | 7:33:32 | |
requiring energy companies to... | 7:33:32 | 7:33:34 | |
And that... | 7:33:37 | 7:33:39 | |
..has already been spent... | 7:33:40 | 7:33:41 | |
The Government says the poorest in our society get... | 7:33:44 | 7:33:47 | |
That's little comfort for the millions | 7:33:54 | 7:33:56 | |
still feeling the cold today. | 7:33:56 | 7:33:58 | |
They can be left with some tough choices. | 7:33:58 | 7:34:01 | |
If I checked it every day, I'd panic. | 7:34:04 | 7:34:07 | |
So every couple of days, I check, realise how much I've used, | 7:34:07 | 7:34:10 | |
how much I've got left and then I kind of work my budget, | 7:34:10 | 7:34:14 | |
what I've got left then, around the electric and the gas. | 7:34:14 | 7:34:18 | |
Maria relies on temporary work and lives on a low income. | 7:34:21 | 7:34:26 | |
She regularly has to choose between her heating and her electricity. | 7:34:26 | 7:34:30 | |
The heating, it just goes off, and you'll go cold. | 7:34:30 | 7:34:35 | |
But everything will go in darkness if it's your electricity gone. | 7:34:35 | 7:34:38 | |
And you know then what you should have chosen... | 7:34:38 | 7:34:41 | |
and it's most definitely the electric! | 7:34:41 | 7:34:44 | |
SHE CHUCKLES | 7:34:44 | 7:34:46 | |
Not much in my fridge at the moment. | 7:34:47 | 7:34:49 | |
A bit of chilli that I made, and I've got some smoky bacon. | 7:34:49 | 7:34:54 | |
And sometimes it's a choice between eating and staying warm. | 7:34:54 | 7:34:58 | |
You'll go without, and then you'll just find yourself | 7:34:58 | 7:35:01 | |
going into a pattern where you're skipping. | 7:35:01 | 7:35:04 | |
And then you're skipping again. | 7:35:04 | 7:35:06 | |
Maria's far from alone. | 7:35:07 | 7:35:09 | |
An estimated 12 million people across the UK skip meals | 7:35:09 | 7:35:13 | |
to pay their energy bills. | 7:35:13 | 7:35:15 | |
Sometimes, behind these closed doors, | 7:35:17 | 7:35:20 | |
no-one really, really knows your tears and your frustrations. | 7:35:20 | 7:35:23 | |
The Government used to have a simple definition of fuel poverty. | 7:35:33 | 7:35:38 | |
If you needed to spend more than 10% of your income | 7:35:38 | 7:35:41 | |
heating your home, you were fuel poor. | 7:35:41 | 7:35:43 | |
But when it became clear the Government would miss | 7:35:44 | 7:35:47 | |
the 2016 target to end fuel poverty, they changed the definition. | 7:35:47 | 7:35:52 | |
This is the way the Government used to measure fuel poverty. | 7:35:54 | 7:35:58 | |
You can see it's going up and up. | 7:35:58 | 7:36:00 | |
The new measure is this one here, | 7:36:00 | 7:36:03 | |
and you can see that this measure doesn't change at all. | 7:36:03 | 7:36:07 | |
So the Government tells us fuel poverty hasn't increased at all. | 7:36:09 | 7:36:13 | |
But if they hadn't changed the definition, | 7:36:13 | 7:36:16 | |
the numbers would be shocking. | 7:36:16 | 7:36:18 | |
Unfortunately, today, approximately 20% of the population, | 7:36:19 | 7:36:24 | |
we estimate, are fuel poor - one in five households. | 7:36:24 | 7:36:28 | |
There are now far more people in fuel poverty than | 7:36:31 | 7:36:34 | |
when Parliament voted to eradicate it. | 7:36:34 | 7:36:37 | |
So instead of fuel poverty going down over that period, it's doubled. | 7:36:37 | 7:36:41 | |
The Government says the old measure... | 7:36:47 | 7:36:50 | |
.."who were reasonably well off". | 7:36:52 | 7:36:54 | |
The new measure was introduced following an... | 7:36:57 | 7:37:00 | |
It's... | 7:37:04 | 7:37:05 | |
..helps... | 7:37:05 | 7:37:07 | |
and gives a "more sophisticated understanding of fuel poverty". | 7:37:07 | 7:37:10 | |
But many single pensioners like Olive are no longer being counted. | 7:37:12 | 7:37:17 | |
Even though she is sleeping in her living room to keep warm, | 7:37:17 | 7:37:21 | |
she's not classified by the Government as fuel poor. | 7:37:21 | 7:37:24 | |
They ought to come and live with me for a week. | 7:37:25 | 7:37:28 | |
Tell them to come around, I've got a spare bed for them. | 7:37:28 | 7:37:32 | |
SHE CHUCKLES | 7:37:32 | 7:37:33 | |
Yeah. | 7:37:33 | 7:37:35 | |
Oh, dear. | 7:37:35 | 7:37:37 | |
Yes, they don't understand, love. There's a lot of struggling. | 7:37:39 | 7:37:43 | |
A hell of a lot. | 7:37:43 | 7:37:44 | |
Olive is a classic example of the problems with the new measure | 7:37:49 | 7:37:52 | |
the Government has introduced. | 7:37:52 | 7:37:54 | |
Despite the fact she has to spend a lot of her pension on heating | 7:37:54 | 7:37:59 | |
just that one room, she's no longer classified as fuel poor. | 7:37:59 | 7:38:02 | |
That seems really strange, that she's not being officially | 7:38:02 | 7:38:05 | |
-counted in the figures. -She is clearly fuel poor, | 7:38:05 | 7:38:08 | |
but under the new statistical definition she's excluded. | 7:38:08 | 7:38:12 | |
Oh, look, there's some ducks. | 7:38:16 | 7:38:18 | |
-Ducky! -Ducky! | 7:38:18 | 7:38:20 | |
It's not just pensioners who are struggling. | 7:38:20 | 7:38:22 | |
Ducky, here you go! | 7:38:22 | 7:38:24 | |
More than a million working families are officially in fuel poverty. | 7:38:24 | 7:38:28 | |
Look, that one's saying hello with its tail. | 7:38:28 | 7:38:30 | |
LAUGHTER | 7:38:30 | 7:38:32 | |
No matter how hard we work, you just feel like you're banging | 7:38:35 | 7:38:38 | |
your head against a brick wall, going round and round in circles. | 7:38:38 | 7:38:42 | |
Hayley works at the University of Brighton | 7:38:45 | 7:38:48 | |
and her partner, Dan, is a builder. | 7:38:48 | 7:38:50 | |
But they're still struggling to keep warm. | 7:38:50 | 7:38:53 | |
January is usually the worst | 7:38:53 | 7:38:55 | |
because the bills are due in, and then it gets cold, | 7:38:55 | 7:38:58 | |
and then you've got to try and put money on the gas and electric. | 7:38:58 | 7:39:01 | |
If I've got the money to put more on, then fine. | 7:39:01 | 7:39:04 | |
If I haven't, then it's just put extra layers on | 7:39:04 | 7:39:07 | |
and hope for the best. | 7:39:07 | 7:39:08 | |
I don't like it in the winter when it's freezing cold at night | 7:39:10 | 7:39:13 | |
and it feels like someone's rubbing ice on my nose. | 7:39:13 | 7:39:17 | |
-You wanted the Hello Kitty one? -Yeah. -Well, sorry, | 7:39:17 | 7:39:19 | |
you can't have it. | 7:39:19 | 7:39:21 | |
Oh, what, has it gone funny? | 7:39:21 | 7:39:22 | |
-It's all mouldy. -Oh, yeah, I don't mind. | 7:39:22 | 7:39:25 | |
Like many people living in cold houses, | 7:39:25 | 7:39:28 | |
Hayley's family are battling damp. | 7:39:28 | 7:39:31 | |
It's a combination that's bad for their health. | 7:39:31 | 7:39:34 | |
The worst bit is in the corner above her bed where she sleeps. | 7:39:34 | 7:39:39 | |
I know it's not good for her. | 7:39:39 | 7:39:42 | |
Other than cleaning it, what else can I do? | 7:39:42 | 7:39:45 | |
I get really poorly sometimes and get a chesty cough. | 7:39:48 | 7:39:52 | |
The roof gets really damp and I start... | 7:39:52 | 7:39:57 | |
I'm up all night coughing and I don't like it. | 7:39:57 | 7:40:00 | |
I'd like to move to a house that doesn't have any | 7:40:00 | 7:40:03 | |
mould in the bedrooms or anywhere. | 7:40:03 | 7:40:05 | |
That would be better, really! | 7:40:06 | 7:40:09 | |
The cold and damp has also affected Hayley's son. | 7:40:16 | 7:40:19 | |
He's already had several chest infections | 7:40:21 | 7:40:24 | |
and had to be rushed to hospital for one of them. | 7:40:24 | 7:40:27 | |
I don't want my children to grow up thinking that this is normal, | 7:40:27 | 7:40:31 | |
to live in this kind of house, with everything, is normal. | 7:40:31 | 7:40:37 | |
And to be this ill is normal. | 7:40:37 | 7:40:40 | |
No child should grow up like this. | 7:40:40 | 7:40:43 | |
We all pay the price. | 7:40:47 | 7:40:50 | |
Fuel poverty is costing the NHS an estimated £1.3 billion a year. | 7:40:50 | 7:40:55 | |
It's all down to the link between cold homes and ill health. | 7:40:57 | 7:41:01 | |
People with asthma are particularly at risk. | 7:41:02 | 7:41:04 | |
We also see far higher rates of respiratory infections, | 7:41:04 | 7:41:07 | |
far higher rates of heart attacks and strokes. | 7:41:07 | 7:41:11 | |
So some really quite significant and serious impacts on physical health. | 7:41:11 | 7:41:15 | |
I'm just putting my oven on to... | 7:41:20 | 7:41:24 | |
get some heat in here. | 7:41:24 | 7:41:26 | |
It's absolutely freezing, | 7:41:26 | 7:41:28 | |
so this just gives me a bit of heat on me hands. | 7:41:28 | 7:41:31 | |
If the temperature in your home regularly | 7:41:33 | 7:41:35 | |
drops below 18 degrees, your health can suffer. | 7:41:35 | 7:41:40 | |
It's every couple of weeks I've been getting these chest infections. | 7:41:40 | 7:41:43 | |
My doctor has given me a new Ventolin spray | 7:41:43 | 7:41:46 | |
because I'm just... All the time, as soon as I get rid of one, | 7:41:46 | 7:41:50 | |
I seem to come down with another one. | 7:41:50 | 7:41:52 | |
And it can get far worse than chest infections and winter bugs. | 7:41:57 | 7:42:02 | |
New figures show how many people died last winter as a | 7:42:02 | 7:42:06 | |
direct consequence of cold homes. | 7:42:06 | 7:42:09 | |
Fuel poverty kills people. | 7:42:09 | 7:42:12 | |
And last year, we estimate about 9,000 people | 7:42:12 | 7:42:14 | |
died as a result of living in a cold home. | 7:42:14 | 7:42:16 | |
9,000 people. | 7:42:16 | 7:42:18 | |
That's almost 80 people dying every day. | 7:42:20 | 7:42:23 | |
And those lives could be saved. | 7:42:23 | 7:42:26 | |
Across Europe, countries with far colder winters than ours | 7:42:26 | 7:42:29 | |
have far fewer deaths. | 7:42:29 | 7:42:31 | |
If houses were properly warm, properly heated, | 7:42:33 | 7:42:36 | |
properly insulated, | 7:42:36 | 7:42:37 | |
we wouldn't see anything like these numbers of deaths. | 7:42:37 | 7:42:40 | |
It's entirely preventable. | 7:42:40 | 7:42:42 | |
If that was an epidemic of some disease, or doctors making mistakes, | 7:42:42 | 7:42:45 | |
there would quite rightly be people marching in the streets | 7:42:45 | 7:42:47 | |
and causing an outrage. But this is because of the cold. | 7:42:47 | 7:42:51 | |
It's a very quiet and hidden epidemic. | 7:42:51 | 7:42:54 | |
The Government insists it takes fuel poverty seriously. | 7:43:00 | 7:43:03 | |
It's invested... | 7:43:03 | 7:43:05 | |
..to help people who are... | 7:43:06 | 7:43:09 | |
And it's set up a committee to tackle the problem. | 7:43:13 | 7:43:15 | |
As a fuel poverty expert and a former Government advisor, | 7:43:17 | 7:43:21 | |
Nigel Farren was a strong candidate to sit on the panel. | 7:43:21 | 7:43:25 | |
But the interview didn't go as planned. | 7:43:25 | 7:43:27 | |
Very quickly, I realised that actually they didn't welcome me | 7:43:29 | 7:43:34 | |
being somewhat critical of current Government policy. | 7:43:34 | 7:43:38 | |
Really, what they were looking for was a yes person. | 7:43:38 | 7:43:42 | |
Nigel, with his years of experience working on the front line | 7:43:45 | 7:43:48 | |
of fuel poverty, didn't make it onto the Government's committee. | 7:43:48 | 7:43:53 | |
But Lawrence Slade did. | 7:43:56 | 7:43:58 | |
His organisation describes itself as "the voice of the energy industry". | 7:43:58 | 7:44:03 | |
You sit on the Government's newly announced | 7:44:05 | 7:44:07 | |
Fuel Poverty Committee. | 7:44:07 | 7:44:08 | |
Do you think it's too full of industry members like yourself? | 7:44:08 | 7:44:12 | |
No, because I'm not there representing the industry. | 7:44:12 | 7:44:14 | |
I'm there as someone who applied for the position | 7:44:14 | 7:44:17 | |
and went through normal Government appointment procedures. | 7:44:17 | 7:44:20 | |
I'm an independent person on that committee. | 7:44:20 | 7:44:23 | |
Lawrence isn't the only industry insider. | 7:44:24 | 7:44:27 | |
Half the committee members have direct links to the energy industry. | 7:44:27 | 7:44:32 | |
And we know why they were picked. | 7:44:32 | 7:44:34 | |
We've seen the application form. | 7:44:35 | 7:44:37 | |
It says the Government wants people with strong private sector or | 7:44:38 | 7:44:42 | |
business experience. | 7:44:42 | 7:44:44 | |
The application also states that | 7:44:44 | 7:44:46 | |
"expertise in fuel poverty is not required". | 7:44:46 | 7:44:49 | |
So you don't have to be an expert on fuel poverty | 7:44:50 | 7:44:53 | |
to sit on the Fuel Poverty Committee. | 7:44:53 | 7:44:55 | |
I really struggle with how Government can believe | 7:44:57 | 7:45:02 | |
that by appointing three people that come from the energy industry | 7:45:02 | 7:45:07 | |
they will receive impartial expert advice | 7:45:07 | 7:45:10 | |
on the problem of fuel poverty. | 7:45:10 | 7:45:13 | |
What clearly is needed is a group that actually holds | 7:45:13 | 7:45:16 | |
Government to account on this issue. | 7:45:16 | 7:45:18 | |
The Government says it wanted to appoint... | 7:45:19 | 7:45:24 | |
And the committee includes those... | 7:45:24 | 7:45:27 | |
It's not just the Government being blamed for cold homes. | 7:45:33 | 7:45:36 | |
Energy companies have also been criticised for failing to | 7:45:36 | 7:45:40 | |
pass on the reduction in oil and gas prices. | 7:45:40 | 7:45:43 | |
This month, the Competition and Markets Authority | 7:45:44 | 7:45:48 | |
accused energy companies | 7:45:48 | 7:45:49 | |
of being uncompetitive and of overcharging customers. | 7:45:49 | 7:45:53 | |
But the industry says the picture is improving. | 7:45:53 | 7:45:56 | |
We have significantly more suppliers in the market, | 7:45:58 | 7:46:01 | |
we have prices that are being driven down every week | 7:46:01 | 7:46:05 | |
as an effect of competition coming through. | 7:46:05 | 7:46:07 | |
So, actually, I think | 7:46:07 | 7:46:09 | |
the market is improving its measure of competition every week. | 7:46:09 | 7:46:13 | |
RINGING | 7:46:13 | 7:46:15 | |
Energy companies have also come under fire for pushing | 7:46:16 | 7:46:20 | |
customers onto expensive prepayment meters. | 7:46:20 | 7:46:24 | |
Right, so that's my meter telling me that my credit's really low | 7:46:24 | 7:46:28 | |
and it's under £1. | 7:46:28 | 7:46:30 | |
And it's making this ringing sound. | 7:46:30 | 7:46:32 | |
So I've now got 99 pence on it to last me until I can top up. | 7:46:32 | 7:46:37 | |
-Can I also put a fiver on the electricity card? -£5, yeah? | 7:46:46 | 7:46:50 | |
Thank you. | 7:46:50 | 7:46:52 | |
'There are now almost eight million of these meters across the UK.' | 7:46:52 | 7:46:56 | |
-There you go. -Thank you. -Thank you. | 7:46:56 | 7:46:58 | |
You have to top up the meter in advance. | 7:47:01 | 7:47:04 | |
So if you haven't got the cash, you can't stay warm. | 7:47:04 | 7:47:07 | |
I've used a prepayment meter since I was a kid. | 7:47:09 | 7:47:12 | |
And I know how much stress they can cause. | 7:47:12 | 7:47:15 | |
It was almost like a fifth person in our home with us. | 7:47:15 | 7:47:19 | |
And we became very aware of it draining very, very quickly | 7:47:19 | 7:47:25 | |
and what things used up more credit than others. | 7:47:25 | 7:47:29 | |
So it was a big added stress. | 7:47:29 | 7:47:32 | |
It's the anxiety of using the credit that's on the meter, | 7:47:32 | 7:47:36 | |
and it's also the anxiety of what you need to use energy-wise. | 7:47:36 | 7:47:42 | |
Do you prioritise your heating? Do you prioritise a hot meal? | 7:47:42 | 7:47:46 | |
Do you prioritise watching TV? | 7:47:46 | 7:47:48 | |
Most new meters go in to collect debt. | 7:47:51 | 7:47:55 | |
So when you put money on the meter, | 7:47:55 | 7:47:57 | |
not all of it will make it to your boiler. | 7:47:57 | 7:48:00 | |
WOMAN SNIFFS | 7:48:00 | 7:48:02 | |
Every Monday, I put £10 on. | 7:48:02 | 7:48:05 | |
You're not actually getting £10, you're only getting seven, | 7:48:05 | 7:48:08 | |
because three of it is going for the debt. | 7:48:08 | 7:48:10 | |
Like millions of others, Joanne Hayes was put onto | 7:48:12 | 7:48:15 | |
prepayment meters when she fell behind on her bills. | 7:48:15 | 7:48:19 | |
They're like a debt collector in the home. | 7:48:19 | 7:48:23 | |
You have to pay up or the lights go out. | 7:48:23 | 7:48:25 | |
When you run out, it runs out, there's no...no other way round it. | 7:48:27 | 7:48:32 | |
When you've got no electricity, you've got no electricity. | 7:48:32 | 7:48:36 | |
You're in total blackness. | 7:48:36 | 7:48:38 | |
To know that I had no gas and electricity | 7:48:40 | 7:48:43 | |
until the next time I could try and get me hands on some money, | 7:48:43 | 7:48:47 | |
it's just been living in hell with them two meters. | 7:48:47 | 7:48:50 | |
Absolutely living in hell. | 7:48:50 | 7:48:52 | |
Although Joanne's debt has now been cleared, | 7:48:54 | 7:48:57 | |
prepay meters are one of the most expensive ways to pay for energy. | 7:48:57 | 7:49:01 | |
So the poorest customers have to pay the most. | 7:49:01 | 7:49:05 | |
£1.63 - it's flashing "emergency available". | 7:49:05 | 7:49:09 | |
Come on, where's all me money gone? | 7:49:09 | 7:49:11 | |
So that's £12 in two days! | 7:49:15 | 7:49:18 | |
Are you telling me this is right? This isn't right. | 7:49:21 | 7:49:24 | |
This is not right. | 7:49:25 | 7:49:27 | |
SHE SNIFFLES | 7:49:28 | 7:49:29 | |
I just feel like getting a hammer and smashing the machine, | 7:49:29 | 7:49:32 | |
swear to God, I do. | 7:49:32 | 7:49:34 | |
If I could get someone to take it out me bloody house, I would, | 7:49:35 | 7:49:38 | |
I really would. | 7:49:38 | 7:49:39 | |
Do you recognise the stress | 7:49:41 | 7:49:43 | |
and worry that prepayment meters bring to people's lives? | 7:49:43 | 7:49:47 | |
I certainly recognise that for some households up and down the country | 7:49:47 | 7:49:51 | |
that, yes, it obviously brings a significant amount of stress. | 7:49:51 | 7:49:55 | |
Look, energy has to be paid in some way. | 7:49:55 | 7:49:58 | |
Prepayment meters are not a perfect solution, but it's a way of managing | 7:49:58 | 7:50:02 | |
people's debt and actually getting them back on their feet again. | 7:50:02 | 7:50:06 | |
-You need to move, you really need to move. -We've got a warrant, love. | 7:50:07 | 7:50:10 | |
I don't care what you've got, you need to move. | 7:50:10 | 7:50:12 | |
If you are in debt, your energy company can force you | 7:50:12 | 7:50:15 | |
to have a prepayment meter. | 7:50:15 | 7:50:16 | |
Customers have started filming how they go about it. | 7:50:16 | 7:50:19 | |
It's the police. | 7:50:19 | 7:50:21 | |
Can you come to the window or open the door, please? | 7:50:21 | 7:50:24 | |
If you refuse to let your energy provider into your home, | 7:50:24 | 7:50:27 | |
they can bring the police. | 7:50:27 | 7:50:28 | |
If you do not communicate within the next five minutes, | 7:50:28 | 7:50:30 | |
they are going to put the door in. | 7:50:30 | 7:50:32 | |
This is causing me harm and anxiety! | 7:50:37 | 7:50:42 | |
It's supposed to be a last resort. | 7:50:42 | 7:50:44 | |
TOOL WHIRS | 7:50:45 | 7:50:47 | |
But more than half a million prepayment meters have been | 7:50:47 | 7:50:50 | |
forcibly installed in six years. | 7:50:50 | 7:50:53 | |
You and the police, or them, | 7:50:53 | 7:50:54 | |
had the choice to strong-arm me into having a meter fitted. | 7:50:54 | 7:50:57 | |
-I didn't want a meter fitted. -It's the warrant. | 7:50:57 | 7:50:59 | |
The warrant is the boss, not us. | 7:50:59 | 7:51:01 | |
Energy firms can get a warrant to enter your home | 7:51:01 | 7:51:04 | |
and charge you hundreds of pounds for the cost. | 7:51:04 | 7:51:07 | |
CRASHING | 7:51:07 | 7:51:10 | |
Smashed their way in. They've smashed their way in. | 7:51:10 | 7:51:13 | |
Hello, sir. | 7:51:13 | 7:51:15 | |
Some think these warrants are handed out far too lightly. | 7:51:21 | 7:51:25 | |
They're approved in batches by magistrates, | 7:51:25 | 7:51:28 | |
usually with only the energy companies present. | 7:51:28 | 7:51:31 | |
I've just been in court and I'm really surprised. | 7:51:33 | 7:51:36 | |
I expected the energy companies to have to work a lot harder to | 7:51:36 | 7:51:38 | |
get their warrants. | 7:51:38 | 7:51:40 | |
All they did was they told the magistrate there were no | 7:51:40 | 7:51:42 | |
vulnerable customers, he had a quick look through the paperwork | 7:51:42 | 7:51:45 | |
and within five minutes he'd signed them all off, no questions asked. | 7:51:45 | 7:51:49 | |
And experts say this is happening all over the country. | 7:51:51 | 7:51:55 | |
In my mind, there's no doubt about it, | 7:51:56 | 7:51:58 | |
this warrant process is being abused. | 7:51:58 | 7:52:00 | |
It's almost a rubber-stamping exercise. | 7:52:00 | 7:52:03 | |
We hear magistrates flying through 10, 20 applications | 7:52:03 | 7:52:06 | |
in five, ten minutes. | 7:52:06 | 7:52:08 | |
That is just not good enough. | 7:52:08 | 7:52:10 | |
There are now so many of these warrants being issued, | 7:52:14 | 7:52:17 | |
one London council is helping local residents to challenge them. | 7:52:17 | 7:52:21 | |
We're seeing lots and lots of cases of energy companies trying to | 7:52:24 | 7:52:27 | |
install prepayment meters if people are getting into debt. | 7:52:27 | 7:52:30 | |
We feel it should be a last resort, | 7:52:30 | 7:52:32 | |
but often it's kind of pushed upon the resident. | 7:52:32 | 7:52:36 | |
Toby Morgan is going to meet a disabled woman | 7:52:36 | 7:52:39 | |
who is being threatened with prepayment meters she doesn't want. | 7:52:39 | 7:52:43 | |
It's an urgent case because British Gas | 7:52:43 | 7:52:46 | |
has already been to court and obtained a warrant. | 7:52:46 | 7:52:49 | |
The warrant's been issued - they can basically go | 7:52:49 | 7:52:52 | |
and install the prepayment meters if we don't get something done. | 7:52:52 | 7:52:55 | |
Susan Lulko's disability makes it difficult for her to | 7:52:57 | 7:53:00 | |
get around and can leave her bedbound for days at a time. | 7:53:00 | 7:53:04 | |
She's not blameless. Susan is in debt to British Gas | 7:53:05 | 7:53:09 | |
and they've been trying to contact her for 11 months. | 7:53:09 | 7:53:13 | |
Unable to reach her, | 7:53:13 | 7:53:14 | |
British Gas wrote to say they're applying for a warrant. | 7:53:14 | 7:53:18 | |
I opened the letter. | 7:53:18 | 7:53:20 | |
It said, "We're going to obtain a warrant to enter your premises | 7:53:20 | 7:53:25 | |
"and we will be fitting..." | 7:53:25 | 7:53:28 | |
Not, "We will consider..." | 7:53:28 | 7:53:30 | |
"We will be fitting prepayment meters." | 7:53:30 | 7:53:33 | |
Susan then phoned British Gas and told them | 7:53:36 | 7:53:39 | |
about her mobility problems. | 7:53:39 | 7:53:41 | |
But they went to court for the warrant anyway. | 7:53:41 | 7:53:44 | |
Energy companies are only supposed to install meters | 7:53:45 | 7:53:48 | |
if they're safe and practical to use. | 7:53:48 | 7:53:50 | |
-Hello, is that Susan? -Yes... -Hi there... | 7:53:50 | 7:53:53 | |
British Gas say it's not clear | 7:53:53 | 7:53:55 | |
whether or not that would have been the case. | 7:53:55 | 7:53:57 | |
The thought of them coming in, forcing my door | 7:53:57 | 7:54:00 | |
and putting these meters in that I didn't want, that I couldn't use... | 7:54:00 | 7:54:05 | |
They might as well have just cut off the gas and electric. | 7:54:07 | 7:54:10 | |
The regulator, Ofgem, says energy companies aren't allowed to install | 7:54:10 | 7:54:15 | |
meters if a customer's disability makes topping up difficult. | 7:54:15 | 7:54:19 | |
So you wouldn't be able to reach this anyway, would you? | 7:54:19 | 7:54:22 | |
Ofgem says companies should check before applying for a warrant. | 7:54:22 | 7:54:27 | |
British Gas say Susan's 11-month silence made that difficult. | 7:54:27 | 7:54:30 | |
PHONE RINGS | 7:54:30 | 7:54:32 | |
-RECORDED MESSAGE: -Helpline at British Gas... | 7:54:32 | 7:54:34 | |
My name is Toby Morgan, I'm calling up from Islington Council, | 7:54:34 | 7:54:37 | |
on behalf of a resident who I'm with at the moment. | 7:54:37 | 7:54:40 | |
When Toby rings British Gas, they don't know we're recording | 7:54:40 | 7:54:43 | |
the call and they make a crucial admission. | 7:54:43 | 7:54:47 | |
Susan's mobility problems are marked on their records. | 7:54:47 | 7:54:51 | |
She's got a disability, hopefully you've got that noted down... | 7:54:51 | 7:54:55 | |
-ON PHONE: -We've just got on there that it's poor mobility... | 7:54:55 | 7:54:59 | |
Poor mobility, yeah. | 7:54:59 | 7:55:00 | |
-ON PHONE: -Yeah, we've got that down on there. | 7:55:00 | 7:55:03 | |
So British Gas went to court even though | 7:55:04 | 7:55:07 | |
they knew meters might not be appropriate for Susan. | 7:55:07 | 7:55:10 | |
First and foremost, | 7:55:11 | 7:55:13 | |
we kind of want the whole warrant process to be sort of halted. | 7:55:13 | 7:55:17 | |
Where the meters are located, as well, | 7:55:17 | 7:55:20 | |
it's not going to be possible for her to use them like that. | 7:55:20 | 7:55:24 | |
Could you just confirm you've put a hold on the legal action stuff? | 7:55:24 | 7:55:29 | |
British Gas agrees to drop the warrant | 7:55:29 | 7:55:32 | |
and a repayment plan is put in place. | 7:55:32 | 7:55:35 | |
They won't go ahead with the whole warrant process. | 7:55:35 | 7:55:38 | |
And they're not going to come round on the fifth | 7:55:38 | 7:55:40 | |
and knock on your door and install the prepayment meters. | 7:55:40 | 7:55:43 | |
So that's... That's good news anyway. | 7:55:43 | 7:55:45 | |
-Yeah, very good news. -Yeah. | 7:55:45 | 7:55:46 | |
British Gas denies breaking the rules. | 7:55:52 | 7:55:55 | |
They say they would have stopped the installation | 7:55:55 | 7:55:57 | |
if it wasn't... | 7:55:57 | 7:55:59 | |
..to use. | 7:55:59 | 7:56:02 | |
They say the case highlights the importance of... | 7:56:02 | 7:56:04 | |
And they only seek a warrant... | 7:56:07 | 7:56:10 | |
It's all a long way from what the Government promised 16 years ago. | 7:56:23 | 7:56:28 | |
Fuel poverty has been redefined, while millions are on expensive | 7:56:29 | 7:56:33 | |
prepayment meters and thousands are dying from the cold. | 7:56:33 | 7:56:37 | |
I think it should be an issue | 7:56:39 | 7:56:41 | |
that's a far higher priority for governments. | 7:56:41 | 7:56:44 | |
9,000 people dying of the cold last winter - that's not acceptable. | 7:56:44 | 7:56:48 | |
Those at risk can only dream of a warmer future... | 7:56:52 | 7:56:56 | |
If I can get up from here and walk there, | 7:56:57 | 7:56:59 | |
and not go like that - "Oh, it's freezing..." | 7:56:59 | 7:57:02 | |
Just to walk out... | 7:57:02 | 7:57:04 | |
Yeah, it's luxury. I'd like some of it. | 7:57:04 | 7:57:06 | |
..while some know they will be trapped in fuel poverty | 7:57:09 | 7:57:13 | |
for the rest of their lives... | 7:57:13 | 7:57:15 | |
Come on, Sam. | 7:57:15 | 7:57:17 | |
..even if they no longer count in the official figures. | 7:57:17 | 7:57:21 | |
Well, there's no way out of this, is there? | 7:57:21 | 7:57:24 | |
It's like fighting a hopeless battle. | 7:57:24 | 7:57:26 | |
Come on, love, eh? | 7:57:27 | 7:57:28 | |
Go and have a little wander round. | 7:57:29 | 7:57:31 | |
And it'll be the same next year... | 7:57:34 | 7:57:36 |