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Tonight on Panorama - the battle for the soul of the Labour Party. The

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leader, Jeremy Corbyn, adored by his supporters. It's not about an

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individual, it's about what we collectively as a society want to do

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and want to achieve. But challenged by his own MPs. The reason I'm

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standing is I want the Labour Party to survive. We've been on the

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frontline of Labour's Civil War. The battle for the soul of the Labour

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Party is going to be fought out in the streets of Brighton Hove. I

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think we are standing absolutely at the edge of a cliff. It might well

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be that one or other of the factions or both of us end up going over it.

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The fight is turning nasty. There has been abuse. There has been

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bullying. There have been threats. It's real. It's happened to me.

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Homophobic, sexist, anti-sellic -- Semitic, that's nonsense. Can the

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party unite or is this the end for Labour? Unless things change

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radically and rapidly, it's very doubtful that I'll see another

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Labour Government in my lifetime. Welcome to Brighton, the seaside

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town with an alternative street. Summer by the sea and it's holiday

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weather. But here inside Labour's biggest local party, the feuding

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between left and right has grown bitter. The struggle revolves around

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Jeremy Corbyn. CHEERING

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The Labour leader's in town for a leadership campaign rally and so are

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more than a thousand of his supporters. I think Jeremy Corbyn is

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perhaps Britain's greatest hope for a genuinely new type of politics.

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Many of the volunteers here are Momentum members, the grass-roots

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group fiercely loyal to Corbyn. We are ordinary people who are enthused

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and who have become active because we've got real hope now. This is a

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politics of hope. Labour's opinion poll ratings look dismal and he's

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fighting to stay on as leader. But he's still smiling, counting on

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Labour's members, whose votes will decide this election. Jeremy is a

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breath of fresh air. He's actually speaking some sense which is really

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speaking to the people. United we're very strong. United as a party we go

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forward to create that decent, better society. Jeremy Corbyn is

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good at packing out the crowds. They believe in him and many are drawn to

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his left-wing policies, anti-Trident, anti-tuition fees and

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renationalising the railways. Great job. I know why I got the job. Zblt

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Corbyn phenomenon is about timing. Labour's traditional, working-class

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support has been ebbing away for years. Jeremy Corbyn has built a new

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base and made it all his own. After all those New Labour compromises and

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one election defeat too many, they wanted something different. Jeremy

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Corbyn may have been around for decades, but he's certainly

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something different. Trouble is most Labour MPs believe he's a hopeless

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leader and they are out to stop him. Meet the challenger, Corbyn's

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enemy's are pinning their hopes on him. Hello there. Owen Smith calling

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from the Labour Party... I think you're better than him. I'm

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apparently better than the rest, that will do. He was one of more

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than 170 Labour MPs who declared they had no confidence in Jeremy

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Corbyn this summer. And today, he's come to Brighton too, campaigning

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for a council by-election. I fear that the Labour Party is in danger

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of an historic split. I think this is a battle for the soul of the

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Labour Party. The reason I'm standing is I want the Labour Party

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to survive. You're not voting for him? No. Oh, well, never mind. He's

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won the overwhelming backing of his fellow MPs, who believe Jeremy

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Corbyn is far too left-wing, unelectable. Beware of the dog,

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they're always my favourite. We've got to take seriously the fact that

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the public are moving away from us and that on a whole host of areas

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for a very long time, on the economy, on immigration, on Social

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Security we are losing the argument with the public. We have to do much

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better at going out and making the case to the public for why they

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should support us. And we haven't done that. But those close to Corbyn

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argue Labour's growing membership tells a different story. Large

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numbers of people feel the economy and society is not delivering for

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them. So they're looking for an alternative. The Labour Party

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provides that alternative. That's why they're joining us. We're the

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biggest political party in Europe now. We're now over half a million,

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nearly 600,000, I think growing all the time. I welcome that. Whoever

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wins Labour's leadership contest, they're going to have to try to heal

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the wounds of a brutal few months. Near Brighton, the fight has been

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particularly dirty. No-one knows that better than local Labour MP,

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Peter Kyle, a former aide worker and advisor to the Blair Government. He

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won the seat from the Tories in the 2015 election, one of the few bright

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spots in a dismal Labour performance. We only have one MP in

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the south-east beneath London now, that's me. I went through the whole

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pile. Unfortunately there's a new pile. Peter and his team have an

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unexpected problem, the local party membership has doubled to 6,000 in

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just over a year. It's now the biggest in the country and some of

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those new recruits are out to get him. There's suddenly just this

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anger, this visceral anger, which is unchannelled and it's unproductive.

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I'm pushed away from huge sections of the new membership. Democracy is

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being shut down. Things are so reductionist either you're a

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Corbynite or you're an enemy. That's not the party that I know and love.

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Things came to a head last December, when Peter Kyle voted in favour of

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air strikes on Syria in a free vote. In the days that followed, he

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received abusive and threatening messages. What I saw during the

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Syria debate was something that was a shock for me. Within the party

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there was an almost uncontrollable rage within one bit of it, which was

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being uncited, by people around the leader, within Momentum, people with

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axes to grind. Drop into any party meeting in this constituency and

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Labour's divisions are loud and clear. And they're heart felt. But

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it strikes me that Jeremy Corbyn's followers are keener on fighting via

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the social media and I dipped into the Labour Party forum for a week.

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I'm made of strong stuff, but these deeply horrible misogynyst,

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anti-Semitic, homophobic, vitriolic, thick and just mean people sent me

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away. I couldn't stand it. It was messing with my head. There is a

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slight bit of prejudgment on new members. You automatically assume

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just because we're coming in and supporting Corbyn, we're Trots or

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stormtroopers or whatever. We're actually not. What's happening here

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is a vivid example of what's happening in local Labour Parties up

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and down the country, MPs pitted against local members, members

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against each other and the atmosphere's become increasingly

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poisonous. There has been abuse. There has been bullying. There have

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been threats. It's real. It's happened to me. It's happened to

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many of my colleagues. Most party members are thoroughly decent, kind

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people but there are a small minority who are absolutely

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determined to silence any alternative voices, any debate, any

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criticism and the party simply can't survive that. The real worry for me

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is that it's being used to create an image that the Labour Party is some

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kind of cesspit, homophobic, sexist, anti-Semitic, this is nonsense. I'm

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offended that my party is being accused of that in this way. It's

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all done to try and shift the blame on Jeremy Corbyn. Back in Brighton

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Hove, the battle for control of Labour has intensified. At July's

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annual general meeting, a group of Corbyn supporters, backed by

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Momentum, were elected to key posts. But then, amid hotly contested

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allegations of bullying, intimidation and vote rigging, the

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local party was suspended and is now being investigated. Greg Hadfield

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was elected local party secretary that night before the vote was

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annulled. A former Daily Mail journalist, he's now one of

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Brighton's most devoted Jeremy Corbyn supporters. I think I'm a

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Nescafe socialist. Even though to some he might look a bit like a

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Conservative. You're not that Tory (BLEEP), are you? No I'm the

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secretary of the Labour Party, who was suspended. I got 66% of

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socialist vote and then I got suspended. I thought you were that

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Tory bloke. Because I'm wearing a jacket. He's off to rally the troops

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at a meeting organised by Momentum and to turn his fire on the MPs who

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rebelled against their leader. We're going to say to Jeremy Corbyn, look

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behind you, you've got 600,000 members supporting you. Don't look

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over your shoaleder to see 176 people trying to stab you in the

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back because when he wins in September, we'll be there for him

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and we'll be there for the Labour Party.

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APPLAUSE We're now approaching end game, the

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hidden fractures between the leadership, between MPs, between the

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members, this is where it's decided. The battle for the soul of the

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Labour Party will be fought out in the streets of Brighton Hove. I'm

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determined as a supporter of Jeremy Corbyn, we're going to win, because

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this cannot go on. In the background to this struggle, are two rival

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visions - those MPs who mostly believe change should be driven

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through Parliament and on the other side, those left-wingers who want to

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build, instead, a mass movement way beyond Westminster.

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Some in Labour see fighting for change outside Parliament as

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undemocratic, but there's also fear of entryists inside the party,

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members of far-left groups who've deliberately infiltrated Labour.

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That's banned under party rules. Brighton is central to these

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allegations. Ivor used to be an MP here, was a minister in Tony Blair's

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Government. He's now gathering evidence and attended the July AGM.

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What we are seeing is clear entryism. We have seen this. We have

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evidence that people who stood for election on July 9 are members of

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other organisations, which are prescribed by the Labour Party and

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have been prescribed since the 1990s. That is completely and

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utterly unacceptable. These people have hidden it in order to try and

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gain entryism into the Labour Party and I'm afraid, they have to be got

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out. Kept out of the party? Yes. Two of those accused of being entryists

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were elected to the local party's executive committee alongside Greg.

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The party is still suspended, so meet the Brighton, Hove and District

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Executive Committee in exile, as they like to call themselves. This

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one, I stand with Jeremy Corbyn. It's the basic message. Brilliant.

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Yeah. There's stickers as well. These are the Corbyn for Prime

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Minister, Corbyn for leader, love socialism sticker. We completely ran

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out of the national Jeremy Corbyn badges, but we've made more local

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ones. Phil Clarke stood against Labour five times, including the

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2015 Council elections. That's banned under Labour's rules. I've

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been in the social party and stood for trade union and socialist

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coalition. I did that because I felt that the Labour Party wouldn't again

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be a voice for working people and the trade unions. I'm not an

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entryist. I made a personal decision to join the Labour Party. I'm in the

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a member of any prescribed group in the Labour Party. I want to see a

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Labour Party that is what it was set up to be, which is the voice of

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working people through the trade unions in Parliament and that's why

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I'm a member. Mark Sandell was elected chairman of

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the local party until it was suspended. He's accused of being an

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entryist because of his support for the controversial far left group the

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alliance for workers liberty. It's a socialist organisation, not a party.

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It publishes a newspaper which, I think, is a very good newspaper, I

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support. But is he a member of the AWL? We don't have a membership. Is

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he a Trotskyite entryist? I don't see myself as an entryist. The

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Labour Party is the place where my politics will be most effective,

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it's the place where my politics have a history. The Labour Party

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were founded by great socialists who wanted to get rid of capitalism and

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change the world. It was also founded bit trade unions, which I've

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always been a supporter of, where else would I take my politics? I

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don't think you should ban people because you don't like their ideas.

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But Panorama understands that both men are under investigation by the

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national party. They could be banned by Labour for breaching party rules.

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So many party argue there is nothing to worry about. The Alliance for

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Workers love the deep, they must be delighted that they keep getting

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mentioned. There must be half a dozen of them in the whole country!

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You know the argument, we have seen many on the left, some from groups

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or other parties once opposed to Labour, coming aboard and joining

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behind Jeremy Corbyn, so the idea of entryism is not a myth, is it? The

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vast majority of people who are joining the Labour Party have got

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nothing to do with Trotskyism or entryism. Of course, there will be

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handfuls of people who are old hands, who might be regarded as

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people who have got a different political agenda. But for others,

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talk of entryism is like a grim echo of the past. Back in the mid-19th

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80s, the far left group Militant were a party within a party, and

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Neil Kinnock took them on and won. I am telling you you cannot play

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politics with people's jobs and with people's services!

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So has the problem returned? The idea that there are 300,000 or more

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entryists is absurd. There are people who have returned to the

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Labour Party who have the objective of securing the control of the

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movement by the ultraleft. They are well organised, they are

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experienced, they are obsessive, and they probably exert a

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disproportionate amount of influence.

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Early August, and it is Pride weekend. A celebration of gay rights

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in Brighton. Four MP Peter Kyle, today is a reminder of what Labour

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can achieve when it is in power. Many of the freedoms that we are

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celebrating today there were actually granted by a Labour

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government, the equalisation of the age of consent, gays serving in the

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military, civil partnerships. But it is divorced that springs to mind

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when talk turns to Labour's leadership babble. What has

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genuinely taken me by surprise is that the figures are practically

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50-50, or 60 for Jeremy, but it is genuinely much closer than I was

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expecting. Owen Smith has got an exhaustive schedule of touring

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around, because we are well aware that he needs to raise his profile,

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he needs to let people know what he stands for, and you know, let's be

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honest, a lot of people are saying, who is Owen Smith? Momentum is also

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at Pride, busy signing people up to the Jeremy for Leader campaign. This

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kind of street campaigning, harnessing people power, is what the

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Corbyn phenomenon is all about. We are getting enormous amount of

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support for Corbyn, a lot of them are Labour members, a lot of them

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are not, but the membership process has just begun. If Jeremy Corbyn

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does win the leadership election, some members of the local party are

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talking about these select and Peter Kyle. -- the selecting. He would

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effectively be sacked as the Labour candidate before the next general

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election. If you are an MP against nationalising the railways, against

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ending academy schools, if you are against taxing the rich, if you are

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politically against stopping the privatisation of the NHS and

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bringing it back into full public ownership, then why would you want

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to stand as a candidate for a party that supports those things? If he

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can convince the local members that he will stand for Labour and

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convince people that those ideas are ones he genuinely supports, then

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maybe. I very much doubt he can do that. Peter Kyle knows he faces a

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battle to hold his job. I hope he comes and stands against me so that

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I can ask him what he has done for the Labour Party in the last 20

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years, and I can say what I have done, and then we can put that to

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the vote. But I think the party has probably split more radically than

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it was in the 1980s. I think we are standing at the edge of a cliff, and

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it might well be that one or other of the factions, or both of us, and

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up going over it. I think it is that serious. Do you think this could be

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the end of the Labour Party? Of course, no party has a right to

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exist. And it is not just Brighton. Although Jeremy Corbyn denies he

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wants a purge of hostile MPs, one of his most powerful allies has a clear

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warning. I believe some of the MPs have behaved absolutely despicably

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and disgracefully, and they have not shown any respect whatsoever to the

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leader. They should be held to account. So those vocal dissidents

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who do not show the respect to the leader that you describe, when it

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comes to the selection, you say they are asking for it. Anybody who

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behaves in a way that is totally disrespectful, out with the culture

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of the Labour Party, basically they are asking to be held to account.

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The trouble with all of this is that it destabilises the party, it means

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that we are fighting each other, it loosens the collective bonds that we

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have when we work together and incorporate at local level and

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deliver real results for people. And it means that we are distracted from

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the real task, which is to unite, to move forward, to form not just an

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opposition but a government in waiting, and take that fight to the

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Tories. Last weekend, and the Trades Union

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Congress rolls into Brighton. While the unions plough through debate

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after debate about Brexit, workers per role writes, everyone is talking

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about the future of the party that the union set up to be there

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political voice, but they are united in agreeing that Labour is in a very

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bad place. Have you ever seen Labour in this kind of condition in your

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life? I remember difficult days through the 1980s, people come

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through in the end because the ultimate lesson is only united

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parties win. When you are divided, you lose, and I'm afraid that is the

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real lesson of politics that everybody has to learn at some

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point. Most believe leadership challenger Owen Smith is going to

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lose. He is here on the hunt for votes. Getting towards the end,

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right, so it has been tough, did you ever think it was going to be as

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tough as it has turned out to be? I thought it was going to be exactly

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this tough right from the beginning, we were under no illusions how this

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was going to be, it was going to be an argument within the family, and

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those are always difficult. You say you think you are going to win, you

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are the only person I have spoken to who thinks that. I know what we're

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doing in terms of the phone calls we have been making, the contacts we

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have been making, and it shows it is evenly balanced, and I will keep on

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going right to the. With the race almost over, Jeremy Corbyn looks

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like a winner, but can he win the election which matters the most? You

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must accept that, from where you stand now, you have got a mountain

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to climb to get anywhere near being a credible alternative government,

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you are not going to denied that, are you? Don't judge everything by

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opinion polls, think of a couple of factors. The last general election,

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less than half of the young people who had registered to vote actually

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took part in the election. In the poorest parts of the country, the

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turnout was the lowest. The involvement of young people in

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political activity is far greater than it was a year ago. So you are

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relying on people voting who have not voted in the past and who tend

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not to vote. Is that pie in the sky? No pies in any sky! Do you accept

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that your party has to unite again or face political oblivion? We have

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to unite as a party, and actually by and large we are united as a party.

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I say to the Parliamentary Labour Party, come together.

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Since the Brexit vote, British politics has never been quite so

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volatile. Or the country so divided. Many year and for a stronger

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opposition to the Government. And even Dean Court wood told me frankly

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that they need to improve. -- Team Corbyn. Do you need to deliver a

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better performance in opposing the Government? We have all got to raise

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the level of our game and learn lessons. I have had enough of

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politicians who think they are God's gift to politics, we have made

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mistakes like everybody else, we are willing to learn the lessons from

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our own PLP, particularly members who have been in this position. A

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bit of tutoring from old hands. Why not?

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Most expect Jeremy Corbyn will win, but if he does, even with tutoring,

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reuniting the party now looks as good as impossible. Some MPs who

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resigned from his Shadow Cabinet have told me privately they are

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contemplating returning to the team, but they won't pledge loyalty to his

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leadership. Hostility to Jeremy Corbyn runs deep. Not just in my

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lifetime, but stretching back to the 1930s, by any examination, this is

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the greatest crisis that the Labour Party has faced. You believe you may

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not see another Labour government in your lifetime, then? I am 74, and

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unless things change radically and rapidly, it is very doubtful that I

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will see another Labour government in my lifetime.

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For all the dire warnings, Labour MPs I have spoken to do not believe

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me -- Labour is about to split, but without reconnecting to the millions

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of voters who have turned their backs, Labour faces a dark future -

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slow decay, broken as a major force in British politics.

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