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Britain is facing the biggest shake-up in food and farming | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
since the Second World War. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
The direction will be higher prices, less choice and poorer quality. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:12 | |
Some farmers fear a bad Brexit deal could drive them out of business. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:17 | |
I've been through a couple of foot and mouth outbreaks. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
This is more important, more crucial to get right. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
Others say food standards could drop. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:28 | |
We'll see the environment damaged, we'll see livestock cruelly treated. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:33 | |
But could food costs actually be lower when we're out of the EU? | 0:00:33 | 0:00:38 | |
If we buy food from world sources rather than just the European Union, | 0:00:38 | 0:00:42 | |
prices are something like 20% lower on average. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:46 | |
And can we strike a good deal? | 0:00:46 | 0:00:48 | |
So we are a highly desirable market. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
That actually gives us some strength in our negotiation. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
We don't have to just roll over. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
This is a once in a lifetime opportunity for a realistic | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
chance for us, to have a say in the way that our farms are farmed. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:01 | |
Our farms and our food feels very British - | 0:01:16 | 0:01:20 | |
traditional countryside | 0:01:20 | 0:01:21 | |
and meals steeped in our culture. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
But in truth, the European Union affects every part of our food | 0:01:24 | 0:01:28 | |
chain from field to fork. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
The EU say what farmers are allowed to grow | 0:01:31 | 0:01:36 | |
and, indeed, what they're not. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
The EU sets animal welfare and food standards regulations, | 0:01:39 | 0:01:43 | |
and will ban imports that don't meet them. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:47 | |
EU payments come direct to farmers, keeping quite a few of them | 0:01:47 | 0:01:52 | |
in business. And many of the people that pick and pack our food... | 0:01:52 | 0:01:57 | |
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..are in Britain thanks to EU rules | 0:01:59 | 0:02:01 | |
on free movement of labour. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
And free-trade regulations mean that fresh fruit and veg | 0:02:04 | 0:02:09 | |
and that cheeky continental treat are around all year duty-free. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
The EU even controls what can go on the label of our food. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:20 | |
So when we do leave the European Union, | 0:02:20 | 0:02:24 | |
where is our next meal coming from? | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
Brexit negotiations have just begun, but the UK's divorce bill has | 0:02:30 | 0:02:34 | |
to be agreed before we start to talk about trade. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
Food and farming, which together make Britain's biggest | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
manufacturing sector by far, are ripe for discussion. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
So, I'm cooking up a traditional British lunch. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:53 | |
Smells good. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:54 | |
I've invited Guy Smith of the National Farmers' Union, | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
food and farming campaigner Vicki Hird and James Cleverly MP, | 0:03:01 | 0:03:05 | |
a Brexiteer and trade committee member in the last Parliament. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:09 | |
What are their vital ingredients for a healthy | 0:03:09 | 0:03:11 | |
exit from the European Union? | 0:03:11 | 0:03:13 | |
Do you think this administration really values farming? | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
Any civilised country has to ask itself, | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
do we want to become | 0:03:20 | 0:03:21 | |
recklessly dependent on imports for our food needs? | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
And I accept that is a political question, there is no | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
easy answer to that. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:28 | |
But I think that's the question that we have confronting us | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
-at this moment in time. -What do you think, Vicki, | 0:03:31 | 0:03:33 | |
do you think this is a kind of fork in the road moment? | 0:03:33 | 0:03:35 | |
It is a fork in the road. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:36 | |
We're demanding a massive refocus and rethink | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
because a huge amount of protection | 0:03:40 | 0:03:42 | |
that we've got for our water, | 0:03:42 | 0:03:43 | |
for our wildlife, for our health, for our safety, comes from Europe. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:48 | |
Because we're leaving the EU, there is no status quo option, | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
so we're going to have to have some reform. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
The criticisms that we as a society, and perhaps as policymakers, | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
have just | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
not paid food and farming as much attention as it | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
deserves, I think, is a very, very fair criticism. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
But we're not going to let vast tracts of the British countryside | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
just go to weed. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:08 | |
So the whole food chain is in for a shake-up, | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
and it starts with farming. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
The EU strongly supports farmers, | 0:04:19 | 0:04:21 | |
but far from all of them support the EU. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:25 | |
Despite the fact that British farmers receive around £3 billion in | 0:04:25 | 0:04:30 | |
subsidy payments from the European Union, many of them voted to leave, | 0:04:30 | 0:04:35 | |
believing that life outside the EU provided them with more opportunity. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:40 | |
So, with opinion split on the consequences of Brexit, we've been | 0:04:45 | 0:04:49 | |
to visit two Welsh livestock farmers - one alarmed, one excited. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
24-year-old Jacob Anthony farms in the South Wales Valleys. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
I think one of the main reasons I voted to leave the EU is | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
because I'm a young farmer and I'm looking to the future. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
I think a lot of us in the industry weren't happy with the way | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
that our sector was going and the way that farming was going, | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
so I felt that this was a once in a lifetime opportunity | 0:05:13 | 0:05:15 | |
for realistic change. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:17 | |
Away. Away, away. Away, away. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:22 | |
Away, away, away. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:23 | |
Jacob works alongside his father and grandfather to raise lamb and beef. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:28 | |
He thinks Europe-wide decisions about farming just don't work. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
At the moment, with the way the EU works, there's one agricultural | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
policy that's meant to fit all 28 nations that are in the EU. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:40 | |
That agricultural policy was meant to fit countries farming | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
reindeer in the Arctic Circle all the way down to | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
farmers in the Mediterranean farming olives. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
He believes Britain's contribution to the European budget props up | 0:05:49 | 0:05:53 | |
bad farmers here and boosts rivals overseas. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
British farmers and the British people are actually | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
subsidising foreign countries in eastern Europe, for example, | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
and improving their farming to help them become competitors with us. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:07 | |
Jacob is keen to send his flock to new markets in places like China. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:13 | |
I feel that by leaving the EU now it gives us a chance to have a | 0:06:14 | 0:06:18 | |
head start and negotiate other trade links with emerging markets. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:22 | |
Let's infiltrate them now and negotiate with them new trade deals | 0:06:22 | 0:06:27 | |
that we haven't been able to whilst we've been a part | 0:06:27 | 0:06:29 | |
of the European Union. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:30 | |
60 miles north and back in early March, we visited | 0:06:33 | 0:06:37 | |
when John Davies was checking on the lambs born overnight. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:41 | |
It's a family business stretching back more than a century. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
I have a responsibility to the next generation. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
We didn't inherit this business from the last generation, | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
we are merely caretakers for the next. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:01 | |
He works alongside his wife, two children | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
and 87-year-old father, who all muck in. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
Yeah, so we've got a few hundred ewes in here now, | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
mainly twins, some ewe lambs here. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
John voted Remain, | 0:07:20 | 0:07:21 | |
and sees huge peril in the wrong deal or a careless Brexit deal. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
Brexit could have a massive effect on our food-producing | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
ability in this nation. That's a key strategic decision to make. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:36 | |
Come on. Come on. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:38 | |
He says continued subsidy is vital for the survival of hill | 0:07:38 | 0:07:42 | |
farming especially. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:43 | |
The new man in charge of agriculture, Michael Gove, | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
has pledged to maintain current subsidy levels | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
until at least 2022, but John is also very worried about trade. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:54 | |
Trade is so important to sheep farmers because nearly 40% | 0:07:55 | 0:07:59 | |
of lambs are exported and of those nearly all 95% go to the EU. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:05 | |
We need unfettered | 0:08:07 | 0:08:09 | |
and free access to the European market for what we produce. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:13 | |
We need those standards to be equivalent for any products | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
coming in. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:18 | |
But if those standards are not the same, John fears cheap, | 0:08:18 | 0:08:22 | |
mass-produced beef from international competitors | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
will drive him to the wall. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:26 | |
I'm really scared of imports produced to completely | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
different standards, hormones, you know, feed-lock beef, etc. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
We're based on pasture, green, pleasant land. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:37 | |
You know, high environmental standards. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:39 | |
We really are proud of that. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
But pride alone can't support farming. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:45 | |
He says we need a policy which echoes the wartime push to | 0:08:45 | 0:08:49 | |
grow what we eat. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:50 | |
-ARCHIVE: -It's up to you - dig for victory. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
For John, it's important we aren't too dependent on foreign imports. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:59 | |
He thinks it's a matter of our national security. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
I believe that we need to learn the lessons from the past. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
There was a real recognition of the need to produce a certain | 0:09:06 | 0:09:10 | |
level of food here in the UK. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
We will soon dip below 50% of the food that we eat being | 0:09:12 | 0:09:16 | |
produced in this country. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:17 | |
I don't think that's a healthy position. I really don't. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
And across the border and into the Midlands, | 0:09:26 | 0:09:28 | |
this British farming business say they could abandon these shores. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:32 | |
G's Fresh in the Vale of Evesham is one of our biggest suppliers | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
and growers of fresh vegetables. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
But they also have farms in Poland, the Czech Republic, | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
Senegal and Spain. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:51 | |
The company has around 3,000 foreign workers, | 0:09:54 | 0:09:56 | |
mainly drawn from around Europe. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:58 | |
Are there any British workers on the line here? | 0:10:05 | 0:10:07 | |
-Yes. -There are? -Yes. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:08 | |
-About roughly how many, I mean... -Erm... -Roughly. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:11 | |
-Five. -Five. Out of 80 or so working in here today? -Yes. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:18 | |
So they've got to find a lot more... | 0:10:18 | 0:10:19 | |
-Yes. -..if all the migrant labour goes. -Yes. Yes. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
Yeah. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:23 | |
So what are we looking at here? | 0:10:24 | 0:10:25 | |
So this is the first of our UK asparagus, so we've literally | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
just started harvesting in the last week, this crop is... | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
Out in the field is managing director Derek Wilkinson. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
He's the boss and the only British passport holder. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:39 | |
He's worried about losing his Bulgarian and Romanian pickers. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:43 | |
The local area has very low unemployment, and Derek has | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
found he can't recruit seasonal British workers in enough numbers. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:51 | |
I can see why that matters to you | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
but why should that matter to the UK shopper? | 0:10:53 | 0:10:55 | |
Well, it depends whether the UK shopper wants British produce. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
Erm... | 0:11:00 | 0:11:02 | |
You know, cos without the labour, | 0:11:02 | 0:11:04 | |
75,000 seasonal staff employed in horticulture, and without | 0:11:04 | 0:11:08 | |
that labour we will not have a British horticultural industry. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:12 | |
The Government, aware of these concerns, | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
may revitalise the Seasonal Agricultural Workers Scheme, | 0:11:15 | 0:11:19 | |
which gave access to foreign labour without the right to live here. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:23 | |
Nearly four million people across the UK are employed in the food | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
and drink sector, but Derek feels it's unloved. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:30 | |
He's seen headlines about sweet hot deals for the car | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
industry or banking, and fears farming may be sold out. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:37 | |
The whole future of our horticultural | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
industry could be decided in a simple late-night meeting | 0:11:39 | 0:11:43 | |
and it could be a trade-off against something else, you know, | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
keeping financial services here. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:47 | |
That is the most worrying thing for us. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
And if it goes the wrong way for them, | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
G's Fresh can still grow stuff - but just not here. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:57 | |
We've got overseas operations, | 0:11:57 | 0:11:58 | |
we've got the capability to go and set farms up anywhere. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
But leaving the UK is not a decision you'd take lightly? | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
I'm a British farmer through and through and, yeah, to suddenly | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
stop farming here, moving overseas, would be a heavy heart moment and... | 0:12:07 | 0:12:13 | |
But, you know, we'd do it. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
The fate of farming is important | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
but what happens to food and its price directly affects all of us. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:24 | |
Some people are already struggling to afford three meals a day. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:29 | |
This is a place where food prices really matter. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:36 | |
The Kingstanding Food Community cafe is a charity serving | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
affordable meals in a deprived area of Birmingham. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
It's open six days a week, | 0:12:47 | 0:12:48 | |
staffed by a network of more than 80 volunteers. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
Since we voted Leave, some food staples have already risen 5%, | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
mainly due to the fall in the value of the pound. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
Some analysts suggest another jump of 3-5% may be on the way. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:06 | |
So what are you making here today? | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
-We're making some bread today. -Ah. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
So the bread is made every day in the community cafe to feed | 0:13:11 | 0:13:16 | |
the local community. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:17 | |
How do you think families round here are finding food prices currently? | 0:13:17 | 0:13:22 | |
What we're finding is our volunteers increasingly, | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
and rightly so, are going from shop to shop to shop to find | 0:13:25 | 0:13:29 | |
where they can find their cheapest food. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
Kingstanding is in the top 1% on the deprivation index nationally, so | 0:13:32 | 0:13:37 | |
you are in an area that's perhaps one of the most poverty stricken | 0:13:37 | 0:13:43 | |
in the whole of the country in terms of both income and cuts in the area. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:47 | |
We get people in here who are definitely hungry. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
So you really are trying to keep the prices as low as possible to make | 0:13:50 | 0:13:55 | |
-them affordable for that clientele. -To make them as affordable | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
as possible for people, yes, | 0:13:58 | 0:14:00 | |
so that they can access it daily if need be. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:02 | |
To help keep meals healthy and their costs down, | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
they get as much food as possible from their own allotment. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
Long term, if food prices continue to hike, it would have a | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
massive impact on a project like this. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:16 | |
We can't afford to put our prices up in order to cover | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
the additional price because people simply won't come. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:25 | |
So, yeah, it would have a massive negative impact. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
So how is leaving the EU going to affect food price and supply? | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
The main supermarkets didn't want to be in this programme, | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
so I met with Justin King, | 0:14:44 | 0:14:45 | |
former chief executive of Sainsbury's, who supported Remain. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:50 | |
There has been, in my estimation, almost no conversation | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
about the potential impact of Brexit on the food supply chain. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:58 | |
By definition, that means the public at large | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
generally are completely in the dark. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:03 | |
In the dark and, he says, facing three key dangers. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
I think one can say very clearly what the direction will be. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
You know, higher prices, less choice and poorer quality, | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
because all of those dimensions have been improved by these open | 0:15:17 | 0:15:23 | |
trading relationships that we've had over the last 40 years. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
Brexit, almost in whatever version it is, will introduce friction, | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
it will introduce barriers. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:34 | |
That makes it less efficient, which means all three of those | 0:15:34 | 0:15:39 | |
benefits - prices, quality and choice - go backwards. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:43 | |
Why are we not hearing this from the supermarkets? | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
The last thing you're going to see the serving chief executive | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
any retailer say is, "We intend to put up prices." | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
The intention of supermarkets is to drive price down, quality up | 0:15:53 | 0:15:59 | |
and, therefore, improve value for money. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
That was their ambition the day before the Brexit vote | 0:16:01 | 0:16:05 | |
and it will remain their ambition after it. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
Brexit just made it a whole lot harder, in my estimation. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
Others are more optimistic. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:14 | |
Consumer goods manufacturer and Leave campaigner John Mills | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
believes the EU keeps prices artificially high for the shopper. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:21 | |
Food prices inside the European Union vary from food | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
product to food product, but on average they're something | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
like 20% higher than they are in the rest of the world, | 0:16:29 | 0:16:34 | |
so there's very substantial scope for food prices coming down | 0:16:34 | 0:16:39 | |
if we switch source of supply outside the European Union. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:43 | |
But that is because of a lower standard of production, | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
and if we're going to get the cheaper price, we'll have to have | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
-that lower standard. -I don't think that's true at all. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:51 | |
I think the reason why food prices are higher inside the European Union | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
is because they've got tariffs which keep the prices up. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:59 | |
It's not anything to do with quality, | 0:16:59 | 0:17:01 | |
it's to do with the institutional arrangements, which means | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
that the food prices are kept much higher to increase farmers' incomes. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:08 | |
The Government has said little about plans for food | 0:17:11 | 0:17:13 | |
and farming after Brexit, so we wanted to speak to the new | 0:17:13 | 0:17:17 | |
Defra secretary, Michael Gove, or his team. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
But they declined. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:22 | |
Defra said... | 0:17:22 | 0:17:23 | |
The problem for our Brexit negotiators is that changing | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
the food and farming system is likely to create winners and losers. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:42 | |
If Britain opens up to the global market, | 0:17:46 | 0:17:49 | |
shoppers might be winners, as it could drive down food prices. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
Under this scenario, | 0:17:53 | 0:17:54 | |
farmers who mainly export worldwide could also win. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:59 | |
But losers from freer trade would be those farmers unable to | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
compete with cheap imports. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:04 | |
And if instead the Government chose to protect those farmers and ensure | 0:18:04 | 0:18:09 | |
higher standards, consumers could then lose out from higher prices. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:13 | |
There's a lot at stake | 0:18:16 | 0:18:17 | |
and the politicians want to get it right because every voter buys food. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:22 | |
The Prime Minister has already been driving for new deals in America. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:35 | |
Our special relationship with the USA could provide | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
a source of cheap food. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:39 | |
Much of that food could end up coming from here - this is Iowa, | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
a state of pig farms, big fields and where pigs outnumber people by 7-1. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:52 | |
Some feel food production in the USA is more factory than farming. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:59 | |
The scale is huge in comparison to the UK. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
The USA is the world's largest beef producer, | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
supplying one fifth of the beef eaten around the world. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:10 | |
One person who has helped put steak many of those plates is | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
Iowa cattleman David Trowbridge. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
So we are custom feeding these cattle, | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
we like to say that we run a hotel and a restaurant. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:23 | |
-So... -And what is it that this hotel and restaurant is particularly | 0:19:24 | 0:19:27 | |
offering that makes people bring their cattle here? | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
Are you a farmer or a maitre d' for cows? | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
We're pretty much cattlemen. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:34 | |
Taking care of cattle is what we do every day. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
This farm houses up to 8,000 cattle | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
being intensively fed and fattened up for market. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:45 | |
They're outside, but not grazing, unlike our beef cattle, | 0:19:45 | 0:19:49 | |
which are largely grass-fed. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:50 | |
We have the grain and the resources | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
to produce a very high nutrition, | 0:19:54 | 0:20:00 | |
very desirable edible product for the world. And the United States | 0:20:00 | 0:20:07 | |
is one...really the only place on earth that we can produce | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
that product and Britain's a great possibility where we can go | 0:20:11 | 0:20:15 | |
with our product and increase our profitability and provide a safe | 0:20:15 | 0:20:20 | |
and nutritious product for the British people. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
With a new president in the White House, David feels it's time | 0:20:23 | 0:20:27 | |
to make American farming great again and win new orders from abroad. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:31 | |
With the new administration that we have, that wants to do | 0:20:31 | 0:20:35 | |
bilateral agreements with individual countries, we are | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
very excited about bringing the US product into Britain. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:43 | |
What would you say to British cattle farmers - | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
just tough that they've got to go to the wall? | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
Well, we hope not, we don't want to destroy an industry | 0:20:47 | 0:20:52 | |
within another country. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:54 | |
But it's up to your consumers or what they want to pay | 0:20:54 | 0:20:58 | |
for the product. If it costs more to produce it in Britain or | 0:20:58 | 0:21:02 | |
if we can do it cheaper here, that is a concern. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:06 | |
In the UK, we spend roughly 8% of our income on food. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:20 | |
Americans spend just 6%. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
And that's less than any other country in the world. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
It's partly down to large-scale, cheap and efficient farming. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:30 | |
Production methods may differ from Britain | 0:21:33 | 0:21:35 | |
but one thing we have in common is family ownership. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
90% of farms here are run by families. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
The Meier have farmed here in Iowa for more than 100 years. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:48 | |
Curtis has just invested 900,000 in this new cattle shed with | 0:21:48 | 0:21:53 | |
rubber flooring, underfloor dung storage and variable ventilation. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
They're comfortable, they've got plenty of room to lay down. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
They're... You know, they're not overcrowded. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
We've had some southern cattle that we've brought in here, | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
they were a little on the wild side, they'd be crawling the walls. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:17 | |
You put them in here a week | 0:22:17 | 0:22:18 | |
and they're a completely different pen of cattle. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
They're content, they just seem to adapt to the environment. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:25 | |
Curtis' farm is surrounded by plenty of fields, | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
but the cows aren't in them. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:31 | |
It's where their feed grows, largely genetically modified crops. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
We don't grow any GM crops commercially in the UK - | 0:22:36 | 0:22:40 | |
the EU severely restricts them. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
You've got 550 cattle in here. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
They're not going to get outside and be on grass. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
-Is that a problem for you? -No. No. No. -Is it a problem for them? | 0:22:49 | 0:22:54 | |
I don't think so. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:55 | |
Cos most British beef is raised outside on pasture | 0:22:55 | 0:23:00 | |
and a lot of British farmers, and some shoppers, | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
think that's the way it ought to be done. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:04 | |
What would you say to that? | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
You've got to have corn-fed beef to get marbling in the muscle. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:11 | |
That is what adds flavour and juiciness | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
and tenderness to that cut of beef, in my opinion. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:19 | |
But probably the most controversial difference in livestock farming | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
either side of the Atlantic is the American use of growth | 0:23:22 | 0:23:26 | |
hormones banned in the EU. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
The hormone is administered with this | 0:23:29 | 0:23:30 | |
and it goes in as an implant into the ear. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
Now, each shot costs about three or four dollars | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
but the weight of meat it puts on is worth about 30-40. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:42 | |
These hormones are banned in Britain. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:44 | |
With potential foreign competitors using farming techniques | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
currently prohibited in the UK, would we welcome their food? | 0:23:56 | 0:24:01 | |
Let's ask. First stop on our trip, Leicester city centre. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:05 | |
Here we go. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:07 | |
Right, now we've got that sorted, | 0:24:14 | 0:24:16 | |
the idea of this is to find out | 0:24:16 | 0:24:17 | |
whether people would be inclined to buy imports | 0:24:17 | 0:24:21 | |
if it made their food cheaper, and I'm going to get them | 0:24:21 | 0:24:23 | |
to stick one of these Panorama logos on home-grown or | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
imports, depending on what they think. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
If importing food made it cheaper, would you be happy to have | 0:24:28 | 0:24:32 | |
more imports of food or would you stick with home-grown? | 0:24:32 | 0:24:34 | |
Home-grown. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:35 | |
-Lovely. -If you can support the British farmers, I would. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
I could see us go back to the old values, really, you know, | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
where everything was home-grown and England, you know, | 0:24:41 | 0:24:44 | |
looked after itself. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:45 | |
This, I would have 100%, | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
-but we need to buy in... -Mm-hm. -..and we need to sell out. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:54 | |
-OK. -That's it. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:55 | |
Lovely. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:57 | |
Cross country, to a farm shop. | 0:24:57 | 0:24:59 | |
Yeah, that's great. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
Here we are - Coventry farmers' market. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:10 | |
-Here? -Yup, perfect. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:12 | |
-Come on, over you come. Don't be shy. -Thank you. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
I can see you looking interested. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:19 | |
People really do seem to favour the idea of British food. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:28 | |
Whether they do that when they've actually | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
got the money in their hands in the shop is a different matter, | 0:25:30 | 0:25:32 | |
but they certainly sound convincing. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
So, I'm off - back to my lunch party. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
Guy, you know, we spoke to people and said, precisely, | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
"If food imports were to make food a little cheaper, | 0:25:47 | 0:25:51 | |
"would you like that scenario?" And they still said, "Stay home-grown." | 0:25:51 | 0:25:55 | |
That's what WE hear. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:57 | |
And that's really encouraging. And... | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
But do you believe them? | 0:26:00 | 0:26:01 | |
Well, I'm sceptical that they will deliver that. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:05 | |
I'm aware that people tend to say things to people with | 0:26:05 | 0:26:07 | |
clipboards outside supermarkets. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
Price sometimes sways consumers more than anything else | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
and that's what we've got to be careful of. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:15 | |
Price, of course, will be important. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:17 | |
And for some people who are struggling financially, | 0:26:17 | 0:26:19 | |
price of what you put on your plate and what you feed your children | 0:26:19 | 0:26:23 | |
with is one of the most important decisions that they can make. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:27 | |
It is very important, but we've got to remember when people | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
are food poor, in food poverty, it's not necessarily | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
about making food ever cheaper, lower quality or more processed. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:37 | |
I get that, but you keep... you keep... | 0:26:37 | 0:26:39 | |
And I'm going to pull you up on this every time you do it. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:41 | |
You keep making the jump and it's a logic flaw | 0:26:41 | 0:26:44 | |
to suggest that cheap means low quality. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
What you can see in America is a massive race to the bottom | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
when it comes to food. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:51 | |
They've really invested heavily in industrial systems, | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
particularly when it comes to livestock. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:56 | |
History has shown us that you can't just put up | 0:26:56 | 0:26:58 | |
barriers to global markets. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
I mean, we do exist within global markets, | 0:27:01 | 0:27:03 | |
we can't pretend that we don't and a lot of our animal welfare | 0:27:03 | 0:27:08 | |
regulation, I think, is absolutely right and is not something I... | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
I don't think, I don't perceive there being any appetite to row back | 0:27:11 | 0:27:13 | |
on that. We don't need the EU's intervention to protect some of | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
those things, cos British consumers would want to keep that. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
Well, I'm wary of that. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:21 | |
That cheaper product grown to different standards, | 0:27:21 | 0:27:24 | |
lower cost of production, will... | 0:27:24 | 0:27:26 | |
may well win the day. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
We all eat and the food industry is worth more than car-making | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
and aerospace combined. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
Farms cover almost three-quarters of our landscape. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
It's going to need a lot of | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 | |
special attention in Brexit negotiations, | 0:27:41 | 0:27:45 | |
if we are not to have very material | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
and adverse consequences downstream. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
It's not too late. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:51 | |
But it's a pretty short period of time, a lot less than two | 0:27:52 | 0:27:56 | |
years now, and food needs to get on the agenda pretty soon. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
The establishment doesn't really like Brexit | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
and they're throwing up difficulties all over the place, | 0:28:03 | 0:28:05 | |
which I don't think are going to materialise | 0:28:05 | 0:28:07 | |
to anything like the extent to which they claim. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:09 | |
The European Union is so ingrained in our food and farming | 0:28:09 | 0:28:13 | |
that Brexit could change the face of our countryside, | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
the fate of our farmers and the very stuff on our plates. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:20 |