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This is war as I've known it all my career.

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It's rarely been armies fighting armies.

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For the most part, it's been guerrilla warfare.

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EXPLOSION

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Suicide bomber and the sniper on the one side,

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tanks and planes on the other.

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GUNFIRE

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'My producer and I are on the road in northern Iraq.'

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There's not an awful lot of room.

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This is the kind of thing I've been doing for virtually all my 50 years,

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heading off to some front-line in an armoured vehicle

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with my flak jacket and my helmet

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and a small team of friends and colleagues.

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In this case we're heading up to Mosul,

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still held by Islamic State, so-called.

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In this programme, I want to look at the way the world has changed

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during my 50 years as a foreign correspondent.

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And we are in Iraq

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because it's played such an important part in my career.

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'It's easy to assume that bad news is the only news,

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'but my experience has been rather different, as we'll see.

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'With our cameraman sitting in front and our security adviser driving,

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'we are getting near Mosul now.'

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There, it looks pretty recent, actually, doesn't it?

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'Until a few days ago, this territory was held by Islamic State.

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'Craters were made by IEDs - roadside bombs.

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Islamic State captured Mosul two-and-a-half years ago.

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Now the Iraqi Army is on the offensive

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but the ground is littered with hidden explosives

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and booby-traps left by IS.

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When we get there, gents, please be aware of your footing,

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in case there's any mines or anything that hasn't exploded yet.

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There you are. And then you will be able to say, "Well, I told them!"

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Just off the main road are some well-to-do family houses

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which IS used as a bomb factory.

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'They've smashed through the walls and heaped up earth

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'to protect themselves from attack.'

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'The earth comes from the tunnels and bunkers

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'which IS carved out under the houses.

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'Islamic State is a formidable enemy with experienced soldiers

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'from Saddam Hussein's old army,

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'fighting alongside the religious extremists.'

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He says the tunnel's just here.

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Oh, my God, yes.

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Yes.

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This is the main tunnel entrance.

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It's quite deep, full of rubbish and stuff that's collected there,

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I suppose, when it was captured.

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It just runs all the way, what is that, about 200, 300 yards,

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to the main road, so they could take the bombs with them

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and not be seen by aerial reconnaissance or drones.

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I'm tempted to go down there, but...

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I think it's a job for a producer, actually, Peter.

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I suppose it's a bit dodgy.

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We don't know if it's been clear to what extent

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-so it's probably not the best idea.

-Cleared of explosives?

-Explosives.

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'A Western air strike destroyed this particular bomb factory.

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'The area is now controlled by the Peshmerga,

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'a pro-Western Kurdish force.

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'The lethal evidence of the factory's output is all around us.'

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This is pretty much a bog-standard IED - a roadside bomb.

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It's not terribly sophisticated but absolutely does the business.

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I've been reporting on wars like this since the early 1970s.

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Proxy wars, sectarian wars, dirty wars, with civilians getting

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the worst of it and being forced to become refugees.

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GUNFIRE

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More shooting.

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It all brings back quite difficult memories for me.

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The worst incident really, I suppose, in my entire career

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13 years ago,

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during the invasion led by the Americans of Iraq,

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when my team and I got caught up in a, well, what they call

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a friendly fire incident.

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REPORT: The Kurdish troops had been advancing all morning

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and had just captured the town of Dibajan.

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In order to get there, we tagged onto a convoy

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of American and Kurdish special forces.

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It was very soon after this moment that the bomb landed.

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BOMB STRIKE

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SHOUTING

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It's the ammunition going up. Just keep your head down.

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They're coming back. It's coming back.

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Get away from here.

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Get down.

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SHOUTING

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Keep down. Keep down. It's just the ammunition going up.

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Just keep your head down.

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A thousand-pound bomb landed within yards of us.

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We were a big team. We were doing a Panorama and news

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and there were seven of us altogether.

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REPORT: There were bodies everywhere.

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I counted 15 and more died later.

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Dozens of people were injured.

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Is that somebody in the back of our vehicle?

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No, it's not. I can't find Kamran.

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That was when we realised that our translator, Kamran Abdul Razak,

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was missing.

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There's Kamran lying down on the grass.

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I'm going to go and check him out.

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Our security adviser went over to help him.

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A big bit of shrapnel had hit Kamran's leg.

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We and the American medics worked for some time to try to save him.

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This is just a scene from hell, here. All the vehicles on fire.

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There's bodies burning around me.

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There's bodies lying around.

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This is a really bad own goal by the Americans.

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Set fire to all the chickens.

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-Burnt the chickens?

-Yes, the chickens.

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I'd spent the previous few weeks with Kamran,

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working with him day and night.

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And when the US Navy plane mistakenly dropped its bomb

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right on us, I was standing next to him.

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Kamran was young and really pleasant.

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An Iraqi Kurd.

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He'd seen my reports on television

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and thought he'd have plenty of adventures if he joined us.

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Fred, just turn towards me, mate.

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Our entire team was injured, including Fred Scott,

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who carried on filming throughout.

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But Kamran died.

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It's coming back.

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Of those seven, six of us had escapes...

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that were...

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really miraculous.

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'Now I've come back to where it happened.

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'A memorial has been set up here to the dead.'

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This all seems completely different.

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I wouldn't know...

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I wouldn't know where we were.

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There are the names of the people who died.

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And that's dear Kamran's name there.

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Poor, poor Kamran was...

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lay against a bank of earth...

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..with both his feet, really, almost entirely cut off by the shrapnel.

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It just seems such a stupid waste.

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There he was, 24 years old.

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Erm, I've never really...

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..got over the loss of him.

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I think it's important not to, actually.

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I want to keep his memory with me

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so I've got a photograph of him on my desk.

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Such a nice kid and the only reason he was here,

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the only reason he died, was because he wanted to work with me.

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And that was, erm, that killed him.

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I've arranged to meet up with Kamran's family in a few days' time.

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-REPORT:

-'Pull the statue down.'

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After the bomb attack, I carried on to Baghdad,

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to report on the fall of Saddam Hussein.

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The overthrow of a dictator is usually a messy business,

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which countries take years to recover from.

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Yet, over my career, the number of dictatorships

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has dropped sharply from 90 to only 20 now.

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A worldwide appetite for freedom really took hold

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with the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989.

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It brought an end to the Cold War and changed our world radically.

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I was in Berlin to see it. An unforgettable memory.

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CHEERING

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The old Soviet empire was in a state of total collapse everywhere.

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In Eastern Europe, I watched the series of major after-shocks

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which followed.

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Most of them were pretty much bloodless, but not in Romania.

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GUNFIRE

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The Army deserted the Communist regime

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of President Ceausescu and sided with the revolutionaries

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against the secret police,

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who fought a brief but savage rearguard action.

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GUNFIRE

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We've come round the back of the building

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where the secret police are holed up and you can hear them firing now.

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They're firing down in this direction.

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Every now and then, bullets zing off the walls behind us.

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The battle started at dawn.

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The break up of the Soviet empire led to a succession

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of vicious little wars, like here in Bosnia.

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As big groupings broke up and small nations asserted their independence,

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the worst conflicts were in the former Yugoslavia.

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The siege of Sarajevo by the Bosnian-Serbs

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was one long, brutal war crime.

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GUNFIRE

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I've covered wars and insurrections and massacres throughout my career

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and have witnessed some terrible sights.

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'Until recently, the world seemed to be getting a lot better.

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'There's been a dramatic decline in wars over 40 years,

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'with the deaths down by three-quarters.

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'Generally speaking, deaths from terrorism dropped too.

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'They're on the rise again now

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'but not yet back to the levels of the 1970s.'

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1989 could have been the year China, too, became democratic.

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It certainly wasn't immune from the changes sweeping the rest of

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the Communist world.

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Campaigners for democracy gathered in Tiananmen Square and paralysed

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the Chinese government for a month. It took a massacre to defeat them.

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Everybody knows that the Army has the power to do something

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about this, to clear this entire place, if it chooses to.

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The only question is, does it choose to?

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I watched as it happened.

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The front line in the battle for political change in China

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has shifted to Hong Kong, where there is now a clear threat to democracy.

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I've returned with my producer, Peter Leng,

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and my cameraman, Joe Phua.

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Over the years, we've often worked together,

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especially on human rights stories.

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First, though, there's a chance for us all to catch up.

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OK, let's get a steamed fish head.

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Goose intestine with preserved vegetables, that sounds good.

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And...I think pork knuckle stew. OK.

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Tuck in, because the fish heads are very good, actually.

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You and I have worked together all over the world,

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for the last 20 years. Why do you do the job you do?

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I think, like you, John, I think, you know,

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there's a story out there, you know, we want to see the truth.

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I mean, we see things like nobody else sees.

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Unbelievable journey.

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-And good friends, too.

-Here's to good friends.

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A lot of my life has been spent reporting on people freeing

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themselves from authoritarian rule.

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Democracy has flourished worldwide.

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In the 1970s, there were fewer than 40 democracies.

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Today, there are around 100.

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But democracy hasn't happened in China.

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And now the Chinese government seems to be trying to clamp down in

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Hong Kong, despite the promises Beijing made at the handover from Britain.

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A bookseller named Lam Wing Kee ran a shop in central Hong Kong with

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'four colleagues, selling books which were critical of China's leadership.

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'Lam was grabbed by the authorities during a trip

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'to the mainland and detained, with no access to a lawyer.

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'His shop closed down.'

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OK, well, this is it, all absolutely locked up, padlocked and so forth.

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I can't tell you... Perhaps I'm being naive.

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..but how shocked I am about this.

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I've known Hong Kong for 30 years,

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it's always a place which is normal and safe and the rule of law

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applies, and here comes the hand of Beijing on an obscure little

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bookseller, up two flights of stairs, grabs him,

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kidnaps him and takes his business away from him.

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I find it horrifying.

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Hello. 'Lam was eventually released. But he was a shaken man.'

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-TRANSLATION:

-When I was detained, an officer from the central special

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investigative unit wanted me to work for them.

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By running the bookshop and monitoring all the buyers and

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readers.

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They wanted to keep the bookstore open and use

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me to monitor Hong Kongers and Chinese mainlanders,

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so the bookshop would become a surveillance point.

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Does all this experience you've had make you afraid for the

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future of democracy in Hong Kong?

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I feel the future of democracy in Hong Kong will be even worse.

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But I believe we can fight against it,

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and we fight with peaceful and rational means.

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I've been interviewing dissidents like Mr Lam throughout my entire

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career, and in my experience,

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people who stand up for their freedoms usually win in the end.

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But for now, China isn't giving way, quite the reverse.

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We're outside LegCo, Hong Kong's equivalent of a Parliament.

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A group of pro-democracy demonstrators has gathered outside.

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This is allowed by the authorities, but they oblige Hong Kong's

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politicians to swear an oath of allegiance to Beijing.

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And when, in October,

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two young politicians wanting outright independence for

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Hong Kong refused to do that, they were barred from the Parliament.

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The pro-democracy activists hit a very sensitive nerve in China.

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A very senior Chinese politician said to me once,

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"You can never know how insecure a government feels

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"when it knows it hasn't been elected."

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And that seems to be China's big problem at the moment.

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The country's economic success has brought

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a new aggressive nationalism.

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Our brave new world will, it seems,

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be dominated by three mutually suspicious leaders.

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Xi Jinping from China,

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Vladimir Putin from Russia

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and now Donald Trump from the United States.

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President Xi Jinping presents himself as the iron leader.

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It's clearly the only way he can see to make sure that Chinese communism,

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what's left of it, will survive.

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But if it does, it will be a total exception,

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a throwback in our interconnected, information-rich world.

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Russia, by contrast, is in decline.

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Its income from oil has dropped disastrously.

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Vladimir Putin's answer? To be more militarily aggressive,

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to restore national pride at home,

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and reassert Russia's position as a world power.

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One of his boldest moves, alarming NATO, was to capture Crimea from

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Ukraine, even though he'd signed a treaty promising he wouldn't.

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This is the most important of the bases in Crimea,

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and the Ukrainians had been planning to defend it to the end.

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None of that happened, of course.

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Putin has had an astonishing rise from the low ranking official

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I first saw in the early '90s to the president now commanding

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world attention.

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Once a year he gives a press conference in which anyone

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can ask anything, and he answers completely off-the-cuff.

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Western countries almost universally now believe that there's

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a new Cold War.

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Would you care to take this opportunity to say to people from

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the West that you have no desire to carry on with a new Cold War and

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that you will do whatever you can to sort out the problems in Ukraine?

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-TRANSLATION:

-Russia has indeed contributed to the tension that we are seeing in

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the world, but only in the sense that it's protecting its

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national interest more and more robustly.

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We don't attack in the political sense, we just defend our interests.

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So, Russia's more aggressive, China's more authoritarian,

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and America?

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Our country is in serious trouble.

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We don't have victories any more.

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We used to have victories, but we don't have them.

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When was the last time anybody saw

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us beating, let's say, China

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in a trade deal? They kill us.

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I beat China all the time.

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It seems to be turning more isolationist and protectionist,

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symptomatic of the way many people in the West feel they've lost

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out as a result of globalisation.

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With such entrenched and conflicting positions,

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the world is entering a more dangerous time.

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And some people are wondering if democracy will survive.

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During my career, I've met and interviewed well

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over 200 political leaders worldwide.

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Some have been impressive, most have been average to hopeless.

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Only one seemed to me to be unquestionably great.

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-ARCHIVE REPORTER:

-'Mr Nelson Mandela, a free man,

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'taking his first steps into a new South Africa.'

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When free elections came in South Africa in 1994,

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there seemed to be a real danger of civil war.

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Thanks to Mandela and his effect on other politicians, it didn't happen.

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Today we are entering a new era for our country.

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Today we celebrate not the victory of a party,

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but a victory for all the people of South Africa.

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South Africa showed that good can genuinely overcome cruelty

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and oppression.

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Yet as a young correspondent in the 1970s,

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inexperienced and distinctly plummy, I was just shocked by the way

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black people, and especially black children, were treated.

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Coming from homes like this, they start off at a disadvantage.

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With eight or often ten people crammed into each tiny house,

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it's hard for children to do their homework at night.

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They have to do it by candlelight because, for the most part,

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there's no electricity yet in Soweto.

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It's a pleasure nowadays to go back to the Soweto township and

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see the money and style there today.

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It's also a joy for me to visit the school my two daughters went

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to in Johannesburg. When Julia and Eleanor were there in the

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'70s, it was whites only.

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Nowadays, Fairways school has taken its place in the rainbow nation,

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and it feels so much freer and happier as a result.

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# South Africa

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# South Africa... #

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Still, some of the old race hatreds are rearing up again.

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And today, many young black people regard Nelson Mandela as an

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Uncle Tom who sold out to the whites.

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And there's no avoiding the corruption and crime in the

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new South Africa.

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Nevertheless, Nelson Mandela's peaceful revolution created

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a model of change for the world.

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I knew him and loved him.

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And when he died, I went back to report on his funeral.

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It took place away from the cameras, while the South African

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air force paid its last respects.

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BUGLE SOUNDS

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A bugle sounded over the grave of the most admired leader on Earth,

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who once went barefoot over these hills.

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After 50 years of reporting on the world,

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I honestly believe that in spite of everything,

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human beings are starting to order their affairs better.

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If so, it's partly thanks to the example of people like

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Nelson Mandela.

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But there's no ignoring the tragedies that still afflict us.

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Back here in Kurdish northern Iraq, there's unfinished business.

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The shocking mistake of an American pilot,

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which killed my translator, Kamran, still troubles me.

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OK, well, time to get ready.

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I've dug out my old notebook from the time.

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"Road to Dibajan, land cruisers, two planes."

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And these are just notes I jotted down right up to the moment,

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really, when we got bombed.

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And I suppose that squiggle, I don't remember,

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but must be perhaps when it happened.

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And then my notes afterwards that I wrote that afternoon.

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"Kamran took 20 minutes to die, poor kid.

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"All my fault that he was with us,

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"though I specifically asked him beforehand if he wanted to come.

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"Even so, I feel dreadful."

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OK, I'll bring this with us. Let's go.

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Back in 2003, I had to break the news of Kamran's death

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to his mother, Fauzia.

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Now I'm heading back to see the family again.

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I must say, of all the stuff we've been doing for this film,

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this is the one bit that I really, really dread.

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I mean, forget going up to the front line and the mines and the

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tunnels and so on, this is the difficult bit.

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Kamran's elder brother, Nariman, had to identify his body.

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HE SOBS

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I'm really... I'm so sorry.

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I know.

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OK.

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Here she is.

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Hello.

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KURIMAN SPEAKS OWN LANGUAGE

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So she's saying that every time she sees you on TV,

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she thinks you bring him back, her son.

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Oh, God.

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If only I could.

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If only I could, I would.

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What did she say?

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She's just saying she's forgiven you.

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-Oh, really?

-Yeah.

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-KURIMAN:

-She say that is his day to die.

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I can't say I feel good now.

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But at least she forgives me anyway.

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It means a great, great deal to me.

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I don't think it will take the pain away,

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but I think it makes it easier to bear.

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I'm sorry.

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My years as a reporter have given me many difficult, but often

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uplifting, experiences.

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I've seen great historical wrongs righted,

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and entire nations escape from cruelty and oppression and flourish.

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But standing at the grave of my friend Kamran Abdul Razak,

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I can't possibly forget that these extraordinary experiences

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have come at a price.

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