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How have simple medical devices left
thousands of women in total agony? I | 0:00:09 | 0:00:14 | |
think when you have this amount of
pain, it's horrendous, really | 0:00:14 | 0:00:20 | |
horrendous. American manufacturers
have made huge profits but are now | 0:00:20 | 0:00:26 | |
paying out millions of dollars in
damages. How can they sleep at night | 0:00:26 | 0:00:33 | |
knowing that they injure thousands
and thousands of women? Tonight on | 0:00:33 | 0:00:40 | |
Panorama - we reveal one of the
world's biggest medical companies | 0:00:40 | 0:00:44 | |
who failed to fully inform doctors
of the extent of the risks. If you | 0:00:44 | 0:00:48 | |
knew there was a problem, you should
have told everybody. And how | 0:00:48 | 0:00:54 | |
permanent mesh implants were put
inside women before long-term human | 0:00:54 | 0:00:59 | |
studies were completed. They're
experimental test subjects. They put | 0:00:59 | 0:01:05 | |
money in front of the health and
safety of women. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:09 | |
Panorama has been in contact with
dozens of women who are in extreme | 0:01:22 | 0:01:27 | |
pain. They've been recording their
stories. It's 4. 35am. Once again | 0:01:27 | 0:01:37 | |
I'm not sleeping. Can't sit upright.
It's like needles digging into my | 0:01:37 | 0:01:45 | |
groin. They're suffering after an
operation they were told was the | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
gold standard. It can feel like
glass, actual like broken glass. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:54 | |
That's the way I'd describe it. I'm
sore all the time, tired all the | 0:01:54 | 0:02:01 | |
time. Can't do anything. It really
has ruined my life. I've counted | 0:02:01 | 0:02:14 | |
them many times, every one of the
49. Each of the 49 steps to get to | 0:02:14 | 0:02:19 | |
Claire Daisley's flat is a struggle.
Do you want a rest? I tell myself | 0:02:19 | 0:02:28 | |
only a few. Three more. This is
Claire seven years ago. Like many | 0:02:28 | 0:02:37 | |
women, child birth left her with a
weakened bladder. So she had an | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
operation to fix it. She was told it
was a simple procedure. 20 minutes, | 0:02:41 | 0:02:49 | |
25 minutes. New woman. Sort you out.
Gold standard. You can get back to | 0:02:49 | 0:02:58 | |
your normal life. Just go straight
through to the left. A small strip | 0:02:58 | 0:03:03 | |
of plastic known as mesh was fitted
to support a tube from her bladder. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
But it damaged her nerves and caused
constant pain. I was crying getting | 0:03:07 | 0:03:13 | |
in the car, out of the car, coming
up the stairs. The pain in my legs | 0:03:13 | 0:03:19 | |
was just horrendous. There was no
feeling in my pelvic region. It was | 0:03:19 | 0:03:24 | |
numb. Can I give you a hand? Claire
had her mesh taken out two years | 0:03:24 | 0:03:34 | |
ago, but it has made the damage even
worse. I don't want to be here any | 0:03:34 | 0:03:39 | |
more. That's how far it's taken me.
Because sometimes you don't know if | 0:03:39 | 0:03:49 | |
you can take the next day... To the
day you've had, how can I go through | 0:03:49 | 0:03:58 | |
another day? I've been reporting on
the story of Claire and women like | 0:03:58 | 0:04:06 | |
her for the past three-and-a-half
years. Their campaign led to the | 0:04:06 | 0:04:12 | |
Scottish Government calling for a
suspension of mesh products. Vaginal | 0:04:12 | 0:04:23 | |
mesh implants are used to treat
incontinence or prolapse, when | 0:04:23 | 0:04:28 | |
organs move out of place in the
pelvis. When they were launched, in | 0:04:28 | 0:04:33 | |
the late '90s, they were seen as a
great thing, because they promised | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
quicker, cheaper surgery. They're
made of plastic and now, they're | 0:04:36 | 0:04:42 | |
inside millions of women worldwide.
Including tens of thousands in the | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
UK. E... That hook goes into the
patient's right side. That hook goes | 0:04:46 | 0:04:54 | |
into the left side. These are the
hooks used to fit mesh, similar to | 0:04:54 | 0:05:00 | |
the one Claire had. It looks
medieval. For manufacturers, for the | 0:05:00 | 0:05:06 | |
surgeons, we didn't see it that way.
We thought this is the gold | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
standard. Dr Wael Agur used to fit
mesh, but now he's got concerns. I | 0:05:09 | 0:05:19 | |
believe that the risks outweigh the
benefits of the vast majority of the | 0:05:19 | 0:05:24 | |
mesh procedures and mesh devices.
Looking back on this, we jumped on | 0:05:24 | 0:05:29 | |
the band wagon to do it and realised
later that perhaps that won't a very | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
good idea. Millions of women around
the world have had mesh implants. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:44 | |
For the vast majority, the treatment
has been a success. But for a small | 0:05:44 | 0:05:50 | |
minority, the complications have
been devastating. The proportion of | 0:05:50 | 0:05:58 | |
women affected is hotly contested.
Previous surgical treatments had | 0:05:58 | 0:06:02 | |
complications too. But the problems
some women have suffered with mesh, | 0:06:02 | 0:06:07 | |
from a range of manufacturers, are
significantly more serious than | 0:06:07 | 0:06:11 | |
patients and doctors had expected.
This is the worst thing that's ever | 0:06:11 | 0:06:18 | |
happened to me. If it weren't for my
kids, I wouldn't be here. I can | 0:06:18 | 0:06:22 | |
promise you that. The pain, it's
24/7. I had to retire from my job at | 0:06:22 | 0:06:34 | |
the age of 40 in 2013, because I was
not able to work. I was in too much | 0:06:34 | 0:06:42 | |
pain. But many doctors think mesh is
an important treatment option. In | 0:06:42 | 0:06:54 | |
total how many operations would you
have done? Linda Cardozo has fitted | 0:06:54 | 0:06:59 | |
thousands of mesh implants for
incouldn't nebs. She -- | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
incontinence. She refers to them as
tape. She's a world leading | 0:07:03 | 0:07:08 | |
urogynaecologist. I use the mother,
sister, wife test and say, would I | 0:07:08 | 0:07:12 | |
have it myself. And the answer is,
absolutely no doubt about it. The | 0:07:12 | 0:07:18 | |
vast majority of very, very -- are
very, very happy with their tapes. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:23 | |
Mesh for prolapse uses a bigger
piece of plastic and has led to | 0:07:23 | 0:07:29 | |
higher complication rates than for
incontinence. Its use is being | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
reviewed. You might think that any
device that's going to be put into | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
your body for the rest of your life
would be subject to rigorous testing | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
and regulation and that any side
effects would have been picked up in | 0:07:41 | 0:07:46 | |
clinical trials and reported prior
to its use. But when mesh came on | 0:07:46 | 0:07:57 | |
the market, that wasn't the case.
Whilst medicines require clinical | 0:07:57 | 0:08:02 | |
trials before use, mesh is a device,
so the rules were different. Mesh | 0:08:02 | 0:08:08 | |
for hernia was already in use, so
with vaginal mesh manufacturers | 0:08:08 | 0:08:13 | |
could argue their products were
similar. It's a process called | 0:08:13 | 0:08:18 | |
equivalence. That is a loophole in
regulation globally that says my | 0:08:18 | 0:08:23 | |
device is similar to your device,
could I have access to the market? | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
It means there was no clinical trial
evidence of particularly saying this | 0:08:27 | 0:08:33 | |
is safe device that's we can use
long-term. You're saying you can put | 0:08:33 | 0:08:37 | |
a permanent device into someone's
body without any clinical trials? | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
Yeah, this is the loophole, if you
like, in the system that leads to | 0:08:40 | 0:08:45 | |
dire consequences. Effectively, we
have to trust manufacturers to tell | 0:08:45 | 0:08:50 | |
us whether their own products work.
Would that be normal, though, to | 0:08:50 | 0:08:58 | |
start a procedure and, you know, a
permanent implantable device before | 0:08:58 | 0:09:03 | |
the clinical data? It's true of many
things that we implant. It's true of | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
artificial hips. They were implanted
before there was good data. It's | 0:09:07 | 0:09:11 | |
true of heart valves. They went in
before there were mature data. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:17 | |
Unfortunately, you have to start
somewhere. Launching products | 0:09:17 | 0:09:22 | |
quickly allows patients to access
new treatments faster. But did that | 0:09:22 | 0:09:27 | |
mean mesh was used in patients
before the risks were fully | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
understood? | 0:09:30 | 0:09:37 | |
To find out, I've travelled to
America, where most mesh comes from. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:46 | |
Take the exit on the right... Over
here is the headquarters of one of | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
the biggest mesh manufacturers in
the world. Ethicon is part of the | 0:09:50 | 0:09:58 | |
multibillion dollar company Johnson
and Johnson. Their mesh products are | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
commonly used in the UK. One of
Ethicon's corporate videos promoted | 0:10:00 | 0:10:11 | |
the benefits of their mesh products.
You can enjoy life and do things | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
that you always wanted to. But now
some 60,000 other women in the US | 0:10:14 | 0:10:20 | |
are suing Johnson and Johnson, after
problems with their mesh implants. A | 0:10:20 | 0:10:27 | |
division of Ethicon, a Johnson and
Johnson company. Adam Slater is the | 0:10:27 | 0:10:35 | |
lawyer representing 240 of them.
What Johnson and Johnson did is | 0:10:35 | 0:10:39 | |
terrible. They put money in front of
the health and safety of women. I | 0:10:39 | 0:10:44 | |
took the deposition of the worldwide
medical affairs director of Johnson | 0:10:44 | 0:10:48 | |
and Johnson and Ethicon in charge of
these products. He testified under | 0:10:48 | 0:10:53 | |
oath that they knew the risks from
day one. All of the different | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
adverse events I've asked you about
with regard to the devices, these | 0:10:57 | 0:11:01 | |
were known from the very beginning,
when the TVT began to be marketed, | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
correct? I agree. They knew that the
risk profile was horrific. Ethicon | 0:11:03 | 0:11:14 | |
said using only one part of his
testimony is selective. And that all | 0:11:14 | 0:11:20 | |
surgical pelvic floor procedures,
with and without mesh, come with the | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
risk of developing these
complications. They said they cared | 0:11:24 | 0:11:30 | |
deeply about patients who use their
products. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:38 | |
Panorama has obtained hundreds of
documents from US legal cases. Among | 0:11:42 | 0:11:50 | |
them, e-mails that appear to show
how doctors lobbied on behalf of | 0:11:50 | 0:11:56 | |
Ethicon to ensure patients kept
getting mesh implants. Our story | 0:11:56 | 0:12:06 | |
starts with this man, Dr Don
Ostergard. He's a vocal critic of | 0:12:06 | 0:12:13 | |
mesh and a decade ago, he argued
doctors should treat mesh surgery as | 0:12:13 | 0:12:19 | |
experimental. Since there was no
information as to what the long-term | 0:12:19 | 0:12:24 | |
effects of the mesh was, patients
were not able to be informed of what | 0:12:24 | 0:12:30 | |
would happen once that mesh is put
into place. That became a big | 0:12:30 | 0:12:37 | |
problem for Ethicon, when a major
doctors association, called ACOG, | 0:12:37 | 0:12:43 | |
agreed with Dr Ostergard. ACOG is
the leading professional | 0:12:43 | 0:12:49 | |
organisation, whose focus for over
50 years has the advancement of | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
women's health care... They issued
advice to their 55,000 members that | 0:12:52 | 0:12:56 | |
mesh for prolapse should be treated
as exarptal. -- experimental. Why | 0:12:56 | 0:13:03 | |
would it have mattered to the
manufacturers or to anyone else if | 0:13:03 | 0:13:08 | |
mesh was described as experimental?
If you're going to tell a patient | 0:13:08 | 0:13:14 | |
we're going to put some mesh in
yeah, and the mesh itself and the | 0:13:14 | 0:13:20 | |
procedure is experimental, patients
aren't going to like that. But six | 0:13:20 | 0:13:29 | |
months later, ACOG changed its
advice. This helped promote the | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
widespread use of mesh. The word
"experimental" was dropped and | 0:13:32 | 0:13:40 | |
e-mails from inside Ethicon help
explain why. They reveal that | 0:13:40 | 0:13:51 | |
behind-the-scenes Ethicon was
liaising with doctors about lobbying | 0:13:51 | 0:13:56 | |
ACOG. Among them Dr Vincent Lucente.
Here he is in a promotional video. | 0:13:56 | 0:14:02 | |
... Give women their lives back
again... Ethicon paid him 1. $1.7 | 0:14:02 | 0:14:08 | |
million over ten years to consult
and teach other doctors how to | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
implant mesh. But the e-mails show
he did more. Vincent Lucente went | 0:14:11 | 0:14:23 | |
behind-the-scenes and manipulated
ACOG and he got them to remove the | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
word "experimental". Dr Lucente
bragged to Ethicon saying, "This is | 0:14:26 | 0:14:33 | |
one I am taking the credit for" and
"this is a major victory". One | 0:14:33 | 0:14:40 | |
senior Ethicon employee was
overjoyed. The world wide marketing | 0:14:40 | 0:14:48 | |
director at Ethicon says, and this
is all capital letters, "I am doing | 0:14:48 | 0:14:53 | |
the happy dance. I love you, man."
And a big happy face. It's all about | 0:14:53 | 0:15:00 | |
money. That is a marketing director
who knows that the money train is | 0:15:00 | 0:15:05 | |
going to keep going. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:12 | |
Dr Lucente told as he made a single
phone call to Acog, because | 0:15:12 | 0:15:18 | |
"experimental" wasn't accurate. He
said the scope of his work with | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
Ethicon never included any lobbying
of professional bodies. Ethicon said | 0:15:21 | 0:15:25 | |
it is customary to engage with
physicians and researchers. And Acog | 0:15:25 | 0:15:34 | |
said Dr Vincent Lucente played no
part in the changing of the word. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
They said it was ambiguous and the
word mesh was already being used. -- | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
and mesh was already being used. I
am on my way to Philadelphia to meet | 0:15:42 | 0:15:46 | |
a woman who sued Johnson & Johnson
because of the damage caused by her | 0:15:46 | 0:15:51 | |
mesh implants. So, is this the first
time you have been back? Yeah. This | 0:15:51 | 0:15:59 | |
is the first time I've been back to
Philadelphia since 7th September, | 0:15:59 | 0:16:05 | |
when I won my verdict the first
time... Ella Ebaugh won $57 million. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:12 | |
I met her with her family at home
lawyer's office. This is my softball | 0:16:12 | 0:16:19 | |
days, when I played on a major
women's softball team called the | 0:16:19 | 0:16:24 | |
Lakerettes, and we were six time
national champions. Ten years ago, | 0:16:24 | 0:16:28 | |
Ella had two mesh is implanted to
treat a weak bladder. One of them | 0:16:28 | 0:16:34 | |
was Ethicon's latest model, the TVT
Secur. It felt like I was on fire, I | 0:16:34 | 0:16:41 | |
had infections all the time, my
groin is numb just sitting here. It | 0:16:41 | 0:16:47 | |
feels like the best way for me to
describe it is like pins and | 0:16:47 | 0:16:51 | |
noodles, like when your hand goes to
sleep. That's how I feel when I'm | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
sitting. So, in bed is where I spend
most of my time. This is you and | 0:16:54 | 0:17:04 | |
Jamie? This was a beautiful day. I
was sad because I couldn't help my | 0:17:04 | 0:17:12 | |
daughter out with her wedding and
getting things ready, because the | 0:17:12 | 0:17:16 | |
pain was just too bad. Ella went
through several surgeries to try to | 0:17:16 | 0:17:22 | |
remove the mesh from her body. The
pain that I have, I will have to | 0:17:22 | 0:17:29 | |
live with for the rest of my life.
There's nothing they can do to help | 0:17:29 | 0:17:33 | |
me. They said they can't reverse it?
Plus nothing they can do to fix it. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:38 | |
I love her no matter what. But it
sort of Rob us of what we expected. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:48 | |
Sju is still all that and a bag of
chips. It is tough, the man that I | 0:17:48 | 0:17:56 | |
love, I can't be intimate with him.
I am a wife, I'm a mother, I am 51 | 0:17:56 | 0:18:04 | |
years old. We should be enjoy in our
life together. Kila Baldwin is Ella | 0:18:04 | 0:18:13 | |
Ebaugh's lawyer. At the heart of
their case were e-mails from inside | 0:18:13 | 0:18:22 | |
the company about the TVT Secur. The
first time I went through these | 0:18:22 | 0:18:26 | |
e-mails my jaw almost hit the floor,
I thought this is really frightening | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
that a company can conduct itself
this way. These e-mails show that | 0:18:29 | 0:18:35 | |
Ethicon had done very little testing
on Ella before they planted it. In | 0:18:35 | 0:18:44 | |
fact they had only tested it on 31
women and in sheep. They had data | 0:18:44 | 0:18:49 | |
from sheep and 31 women and then
they decided, let's go ahead and | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
launch it anyway. That is certainly
not a clinical trial Lunsford they | 0:18:53 | 0:18:59 | |
are experimenting on test subjects.
This has not been tested in a | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
long-term study for safety. Ethicon
said it consistently evaluated its | 0:19:02 | 0:19:07 | |
products in clinical settings for
and after launch, and worked with | 0:19:07 | 0:19:12 | |
surgeons to develop them. They
empathised with women who | 0:19:12 | 0:19:17 | |
experienced complications, but said
the vast majority see an | 0:19:17 | 0:19:21 | |
improvement. Women like Ella are
experiencing permanent side-effects. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:30 | |
On a daily basis, these are the
medicines I now have to take. These | 0:19:30 | 0:19:35 | |
are all my painkillers, this is one
to help protect my stomach from the | 0:19:35 | 0:19:41 | |
painkillers. And these are the two
that I used to take... I think one | 0:19:41 | 0:19:45 | |
of the things that is missing at the
minute is the understanding of the | 0:19:45 | 0:19:50 | |
severity of these complications. My
life feels like it's over. I | 0:19:50 | 0:20:00 | |
struggle every day to just try to
have some kind of a life. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:07 | |
Panorama has seen evidence that
inside Ethicon, a doctor had | 0:20:12 | 0:20:19 | |
concerns almost a decade ago about
what the company was telling | 0:20:19 | 0:20:21 | |
surgeons. There is an e-mail here
from 2008 which shows the companies | 0:20:21 | 0:20:29 | |
own associate medical director. She
writes to bosses saying they should | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
amend the instructions for use,
known as the IFUs, what doctors used | 0:20:33 | 0:20:39 | |
to explain to patients what some of
the risks or complications of an | 0:20:39 | 0:20:43 | |
operation might be. Whilst the
instructions refer to painful | 0:20:43 | 0:20:49 | |
side-effects, they suggested they
were transitory, or not permanent. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:53 | |
But in 2009, she says... From what I
see they are not transitory at all. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:59 | |
They were not updated at the time -
and that matters. We would expect | 0:20:59 | 0:21:05 | |
all the company hands of information
about the adverse events to be | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
present in the manufacturer's
instructions for use, because this | 0:21:08 | 0:21:12 | |
is what I would rely on in
identifying all available risks so | 0:21:12 | 0:21:17 | |
that I can explain these two by
patients. Ethicon said that the IFUs | 0:21:17 | 0:21:23 | |
were evaluated by a specialist and
that the wording was appropriate for | 0:21:23 | 0:21:28 | |
the intended users, trained
surgeons. They said it was | 0:21:28 | 0:21:33 | |
appropriate for professional
educational materials. It can take | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
years for the worst effects of mesh
to appear. This problem has started | 0:21:36 | 0:21:41 | |
to come into light in the last few
years. We did not realise the extent | 0:21:41 | 0:21:47 | |
of this problem five, six years ago.
Years after it is fitted, mesh can | 0:21:47 | 0:21:57 | |
cut into nearby organs. So, this
must be the ninth or tenth trip to | 0:21:57 | 0:22:09 | |
the toilet tonight between 12 and
six. Which is what mesh has done to | 0:22:09 | 0:22:17 | |
me. So, I've hardly had any sleep.
Helen Flinders had two mesh implants | 0:22:17 | 0:22:29 | |
fitted for incontinence in 2011.
They were not made by Ethicon but I | 0:22:29 | 0:22:36 | |
different mesh manufacturer. I was
told that this is gold, A-star | 0:22:36 | 0:22:44 | |
surgery. For a couple of years I was
OK, I was fine. And this is what | 0:22:44 | 0:22:49 | |
happens, that often women have it
fitted and they're fine for the | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
first few years. Three years after
her operation, her symptoms got | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
worse. The mesh into the tube from
her bladder. It is called an | 0:22:55 | 0:23:03 | |
erosion. I do get like a burning
pain where the tapes sit. I can feel | 0:23:03 | 0:23:09 | |
exactly where the tapes are sitting,
a really hot, fiery feeling inside. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:16 | |
Now, she's about to have an
operation to try to remove her mesh. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:21 | |
So, I've heard four operations in
the last two and a half years. To | 0:23:21 | 0:23:28 | |
fix the erosions and to try and
relieve the discomfort that I'm | 0:23:28 | 0:23:35 | |
experiencing. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:39 | |
Julie Satari had a mesh fitted for
incontinence ten years ago. I was | 0:23:46 | 0:23:57 | |
very happy, everything was very
comfortable. I was back at work | 0:23:57 | 0:24:01 | |
within two weeks. I thought it was a
success. She then suffered a | 0:24:01 | 0:24:08 | |
prolapse and had a second mesh put
in. At this point she became more | 0:24:08 | 0:24:12 | |
unwell. Sometimes I'm in pain,
particularly at night, it can be | 0:24:12 | 0:24:17 | |
quite aggressive. She visited 11
consultants to try to fix the | 0:24:17 | 0:24:22 | |
problem. Frustrated is how I feel
most of the time. Frustrated, it | 0:24:22 | 0:24:28 | |
makes me angry. I get quite
emotional sometimes. She's been | 0:24:28 | 0:24:35 | |
chatting with Helen on the phone for
months. Now, they're both at a | 0:24:35 | 0:24:41 | |
private hospital, where they're
having their mesh removed. How real | 0:24:41 | 0:24:52 | |
does this feel now? Really real. How
are you feeling? A little bit | 0:24:52 | 0:24:57 | |
nervous about it but I know I'm in
good hands. Figures compiled for | 0:24:57 | 0:25:05 | |
panorama show that since 2006, there
have been more than 6000 procedures | 0:25:05 | 0:25:11 | |
for mesh removal or partial removal
on the NHS. Because mesh is designed | 0:25:11 | 0:25:17 | |
to work its way into surrounding
tissue, it is hard to remove it | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
completely. Sohier El-Neil and her
team have done hundreds of surgical | 0:25:20 | 0:25:26 | |
removal is. We're going to go ahead
with this surgery today? Briefly | 0:25:26 | 0:25:37 | |
again, risk of bleeding, infection,
trauma to the bladder, the urethra | 0:25:37 | 0:25:44 | |
and surrounding tissues and vessels
- any questions? No, I'm ready! What | 0:25:44 | 0:25:52 | |
was happening was that increasingly
people saw this as a Kwik-Fit is and | 0:25:52 | 0:25:56 | |
therefore many people were advised
to go ahead and have some form of | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
insertion of mesh. It was felt that
patients were going to get the best | 0:25:59 | 0:26:05 | |
deal, the Hospital, the NHS,
everybody was getting a good deal. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:08 | |
At actually, at the end of the day,
those in whom it worked, great. But | 0:26:08 | 0:26:13 | |
those in whom it didn't did not get
a great deal. It is now clear that | 0:26:13 | 0:26:21 | |
some women weren't told the full
extent of the risks. The rules for | 0:26:21 | 0:26:27 | |
devices like mesh are set to change
in a few years. But in the meantime, | 0:26:27 | 0:26:31 | |
more than 1000 women from England
and Scotland are now involved in the | 0:26:31 | 0:26:35 | |
collection. About half of them are
suing the NHS. I think it is a | 0:26:35 | 0:26:42 | |
disaster. Everybody who has had a
device now needs to be in a | 0:26:42 | 0:26:47 | |
registry, we need to follow it up
and we need to say, what is the true | 0:26:47 | 0:26:52 | |
rate of benefit and harm? Many
doctors say mesh can have real | 0:26:52 | 0:26:58 | |
benefits for the majority of women.
You cannot operate without | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
complications occurring in a small
minority of cases. You are never | 0:27:01 | 0:27:06 | |
aware of complications that may
occur many years later. And that | 0:27:06 | 0:27:08 | |
doesn't just occur with these tapes
and meshes. So, where does that | 0:27:08 | 0:27:14 | |
leave all the women who have mesh
inside them? There is no need to be | 0:27:14 | 0:27:19 | |
an chess. The vast majority of women
will not have problems with these | 0:27:19 | 0:27:26 | |
vaginal implants, but be vigilant,
because problems can develop years | 0:27:26 | 0:27:30 | |
later. Helen's mesh was removed. It
is early days but she's feeling | 0:27:30 | 0:27:39 | |
hopeful. So, I'm 16 days post-op and
I feel great, to be honest. I can go | 0:27:39 | 0:27:48 | |
four or five hours without needing
to urinate. So, I'm not looking for | 0:27:48 | 0:27:53 | |
a toilet everywhere I go now. But
for other women, the damage caused | 0:27:53 | 0:28:01 | |
by a small piece of plastic cannot
be undone. It was 20-25 minutes to | 0:28:01 | 0:28:08 | |
destroy your life. That's all it
took. And I'm never going to get it | 0:28:08 | 0:28:13 | |
back. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:18 |