26/06/2014 Question Time


26/06/2014

David Dimbleby presents topical debate from Wolverhampton, panellists include Anna Soubry MP, Lord Prescott, Paul Nuttall MEP, Maajid Nawaz and Neil Wallis.


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Tonight, we are in Wolverhampton, and welcome to Question Time. And

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good evening, everyone, whether at home or in our audience, waiting to

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put questions to the panel who do not know what they will be until

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they hear them. Conservative Defence Minister Anna Soubry, Labour's

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former Deputy Prime Minister, John Prescott, deputy leader of UKIP,

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Paul Nuttall, former Islamist extremist who recanted and is now a

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Liberal Democrat Parliamentary candidate, Maajid Nawaz, and the

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ex-Executive Editor of the News of the World, and friend and

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ex-colleague of Andy Coulson, Neil Wallis.

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We had many interest -- interesting questions. Let's start. Does hiring

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Andy Coulson show that David Cameron has bad judgement? John Prescott.

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Since I wrote to him on the first day he was about to appoint Andy

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Coulson, when he was leader Opposition, warning him he would be

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in real danger if he appointed this man, because I had been involved

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years before with this phone hacking and I knew he was actively involved

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in it. He had not been convicted, and now we know he has. And he still

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took command. I think there were many others, even his deputy leader,

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who told him not to do it. So that was a matter of bad judgement, and

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he made a mistake and he is now paying for it. Neil Wallis, I said

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you were a friend of Andy Coulson, and a colleague of his. Did David

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Cameron show bad judgement by hiring him? On what he knew at the time,

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no. There was an interesting piece in The Times today which pointed out

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that Andy Coulson was actually very good at his job. Can you make an

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argument that if they had looked at the wider picture and with

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hindsight, maybe. What I thought was that Cameron, and I agree with Judge

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Saunders, I thought he and the various political leaders yesterday

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made an appalling error of judgement when they issued statements

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condemning him while there was a trial still going on, before the

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other verdicts had been heard. That is a different matter. Because, as

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John Prescott said, and I would like you to address it, there were a

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number of people who went to the Prime Minister and said, you must

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not have him in Number Ten. Yes. But to finish off my point, you are

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entitled to a fair trial, whether you are employed by a Prime Minister

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or a plumber. That is the point of complaint. But yes, there were

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people who advised against it. Then again, there are people who will

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always advise you. If you remember, the Labour Party hired Damian

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McBride, for instance. There is no suggestion that he, who I know and

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is an interesting person, had done anything criminal at all. But these

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can be close calls, and with hindsight I can understand why John

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Prescott wants to fill his boots. Two of the journalists went to jail

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in 2006 working for the same paper. It was not just a rumour. I knew and

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they refused to believe it. There was evidence. You did not know Andy

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Coulson was responsible. That is the point. When we had the enquiry and

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there was a lot of evidence taken by the enquiry on oath, and that

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concluded that the Prime Minister did not do anything wrong when he

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hired Andy Coulson, based on the evidence put before him. Forgive me,

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John, I don't know whether you gave evidence put before him. Forgive me,

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evidence to the committee, for example, the select committee. In

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2010, the DC MS committee, came to the conclusion that Andy Coulson was

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not responsible and was not involved in phone hacking. There was a police

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investigation. They -- he told them that they believed him. Let me just

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say that the enquiry also found that on four occasions, the primers to,

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before he hired him, challenged him and said, were you involved in it?

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Four times he said no, as he did to others. Now the Prime Minister has

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apologised for that. others. Now the Prime Minister has

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right thing in apologising but did not do

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right thing in apologising but did on, based on the evidence before

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him. Cameron was warned. Why did he appoint him if he was warned? Was it

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just to cosy up to Murdoch? The Murdoch issue is

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just to cosy up to Murdoch? The this. It is right that there were

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allegations but there were a number of investigations that absolutely

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found that Andy Coulson was of investigations that absolutely

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involved in phone hacking. The Prime Minister did the right thing. Lord

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Leveson said, I can't give judgements on this until the court

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case is underway. On whether the Prime Minister was right, he was

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clear the Prime Minister Erdogan nothing wrong. Clearly, it was an

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error of judgement. Andy Coulson resigned in 2006 under a cloud and

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he was hired in 2007. He had been warned by journalists, and as Lord

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Prescott has told us, by politicians. Allegedly he was warned

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by Buckingham Palace not to take him on. He listened to nobody and he

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went ahead and did it. He either took him on because he thought he

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was a man of the people... The Tories were perceived as toffs and

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he have the common touch. Or else he took him on because he was trying to

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cosy up to News International in the run-up to the 2010 general election.

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APPLAUSE .

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He is making a serious allegation, so let him make it. That is a very

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serious allegation. There is an insidious relationship between the

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press and politicians in this country, and it needs to go away

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now. Why didn't he do security clearance? When I came on a cabinet,

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everybody goes there. They are given security clearance before you get

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into that job. He did not give them security coverage at the highest

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level. It is no good saying it is not true while John is speaking. Let

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him make his point. As long as I have my chance. It is my job to make

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sure you do. Yes, he was warned. Nick Clegg warned him before the

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appointment in 2010. Yes, he was warned. But even Prime Minister

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David Cameron has said something which I genuinely believe. John, I

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know you have been a victim of this. And you have suffered as a result of

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it. But it is actually really about people like the McCanns, who lost

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their daughter. The Prime Minister said that the test here is the

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victim test. If the Dowler family are not happy with what is going

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on... Gemma lost her 13-year-old sister in this. If they are not

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happy with what is going on, something is going wrong. Those are

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the real victims. The Prime Minister said that as the victim test, we

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have to look at how they respond to this. They are not happy with the

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situation, and they are not happy with the outcome. It is not about

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me, you and your friends. Although John has suffered, it is really

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about those who have lost family members. And they are still pushing

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for justice. A couple of weeks ago, the party leaders had photos taken

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holding copies of the Sun. Doesn't that prove they would all have done

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the same as Cameron did? You say that by holding copies of the sun

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for publicity, your party leader doing exactly the same thing as

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Cameron, cosying up to Murdoch. It is wrong and I wouldn't have done

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it. Tony Blair did the same, didn't he? I think that was wrong. The

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incestuous relationship between press and politicians is a serious

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matter. And with Gordon Brown and Tony Blair, there was this feeling

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that you had to cosy up to the Murdoch press and they will win the

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election for you. I used to argue strongly against that, because

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Rebekah Brooks particularly played them both off. I thought that was

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wrong. They played it not only to Labour by other parties as well.

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That needs to change. That is why Lord Leveson's rules need to come

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in, so we don't repeat it again. I have a vague memory that Nigel

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Farage had dinner with Rupert Murdoch recently, didn't he? Didn't

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he tell you? I believe he did. The good thing with all this, I suppose,

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is that newspaper sales are going down radically in this country. In

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the next century, by 2014 there will be no newspapers because people are

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getting information from the internet. -- 2014. I think the days

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of the big press barons are behind us and that is a good thing. Lets

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get the chronology of this slightly right, OK. The original arrests in

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phone hacking were in 2006. There was a Labour government in power. He

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was the Deputy Prime Minister. There were jail sentences in 2007. He was

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the Deputy Prime Minister. Labour were in power for the next three

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years, during which time there were various Home Secretaries, all of

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whom had access to this file, all of whom talked to the Metropolitan

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Police about this. And let's not forget, remember a bloke Tony Blair?

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He became, in 2010, the Godfather to Rupert Murdoch's children. What

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happened here was Labour ignored it. The Labour government he was the

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Deputy Prime Minister of, because it suited them. Rubbish. Let me give

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you the evidence. Why didn't the various Labour Home Secretaries

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demand further enquiries? Because they chose not to. Do you know why?

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For the simple reason that they wanted to cosy up to Rupert Murdoch.

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You can justifiably ask, why did politicians do this? Why is it that

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in my time as a senior executive there, and incidentally I was an

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editor of a Mirror Group paper that was supporting Labour, why do

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politicians always, always are prepared to crawl over broken glass

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to politicians. The relationship with Murdoch, I've been against for

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years, never went to his parties, you know, I thought it was wrong.

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When those people were prosecuted, they were working with you and

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Coulson, you became the Deputy Leader later in the middle of all

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this right, but one of the real problems was, I was trying to

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convince people my phone had been hacked. The police said it's wrong,

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the Crown Prosecution Service said it was wrong, your papers said it

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was wrong, I was just shouting as a left-winger. It's now been proved it

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was right. So what we said, and I managed to get it, I said we've got

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to get a Leveson Inquiry, it mustn't happen again. Let's let the court

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look after the criminal acts and your papers were really involved in

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massive actual hacking of people to thousands of people. But you all

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denied it I was one of them. You all attacked me. I got hacked too. I'm

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just telling you. Yes. Is In 200, Mr Prescott, you

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said you already knew. Pardon? In 2006, you said you already knew, so

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why did you do nothing about it? I had to prove it. It's a fair point.

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If I'd have had the evidence, what's interesting, I watched the Panorama

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programme the other night, they said they told a member of the Cabinet.

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Nobody can find out who that was. They never told me. I'd have been

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writing to the courts when I found out. But I was denied by the police,

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denied by the prosecutors. It was only later when they came and told

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me that my phone had been hacked 44 times that. Was when they were

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exposed. It's remarkable that you were the Deputy Prime Minister...

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APPLAUSE And one of the most powerful

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politicians in Government and you couldn't go to your Prime Minister?

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politicians in Government and you But I had to... Of course I did tell

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my Prime Minister but they would say what is the proof, right, that's the

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first point. They told me there was no proof. It

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was only when the courts yesterday said you and your lot were involved

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in the papers, Murdoch, tapping thousands of people. You all said

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it's a rogue reporter, then it came out, it's thousands of you at it,

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you lied all the time. You are asking me why I couldn't get it. I

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had them against me. Maajid? The truth lies somewhere in

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the middle probably. You can't be Deputy Prime Minister of the country

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and not know it. There is an incestious relationship going on

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here about Murdoch and it should be about what the structure should be,

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is it the Royal Charter? We are too busy fighting over whether who knew

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Murdoch who was his best friend and godfather, I mean why is it all

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about Murdoch? There aren't plenty of journalists not involved in that.

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There were local journalists doing good jobs. Let's not just make it

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about Murdoch. Let's discuss the solutions about how to regulate

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this. Fewer and fewer local journalists. The man in the pink

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shirt? Going back to Leveson, I think David Cameron's using Leveson

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in the same way as Tony Blair used the Hutton Report as a shield. No,

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because the Leveson Inquiry was judge-led. People gave their

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evidence on oath. He took evidence across the board, it took eight

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months and he made his findings. With the benefit of the hindsight

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which we now have, given the evidence at the time in front of the

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Prime Minister, Leveson and others found that actually, he made a

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decision that give than evidence was not a wrong decision. Leveson dealt

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with all the points that arise out of the employment of Coulson. He had

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all the evidence on it and listened to all of it under oath or that he

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listened to some of it and exonerated the Prime Minister on

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some of it but some he didn't address? He certainly looked at the

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events leading up to the employment of Andy Coulson in 2007. There were

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subsequent inquiries by the Metropolitan Police which John can

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be cross about quite rightly but he was cleared in all the police

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inquiries. There were others from the Select Committee and they said

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they believed him when he said he was not involved in phone hacking.

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The woman on the gangway, then you in a second. I think David Cameron

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said himself "I gave a friend a job," so no matter what people were

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to tell him, you, John, no matter what bad things people were telling

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him about Andy Coulson, he said he was his friend. I don't think he was

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a friend. He used those words. That's what he said in his speech.

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He said he gave him a second chance because he was sacked or resigned

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from the News of the World, but honestly, I don't believe that they

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were friends. The woman in spectacles in the fourth row. Seems

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to me that everyone's going back to the leave son inquiry but David

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Cameron rushed that through because he knew for a fact once the court

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case came to light and Andy Coulson was isn't down he'd have that to

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protect himself. The inquiry shouldn't have been held until the

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court had been heard, the court case had been herd. If the Leveson

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Inquiry was held now, it would be a completely different reaction veled

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have against David Cameron. Everyone agreed that it was the right thing

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to do, the Leveson Inquiry. The man at the back? You, Sir? The

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organisations and newspapers, including TV journalists, they are

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all guilty of the same offence. What is the offence? Phone hacking.

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This is my point that I didn't think it's just about Murdoch or the

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Corporation, this was a widespread problem, we picked on one company

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and one symbolic representation of the media generally. That's why it's

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high time we start focussing on the solutions to make sure that what

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Gemma Dowing is saying, the campaign to make sure that just it is is

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delivered -- justice is delivered. The Royal Charter that was proposed

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that was a voluntary code for journalists to subscribe to, they

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haven't subscribed to. So there are two models competing, the

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journalists one and the other one. The Parliament's ratified and they

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have to start working together to find a solution for the sake of the

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McCanns and the Dowler family to find justice for people who've lost

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their families and suffered and have these horrors.

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Look, did you, when you were the Deputy Editor, to Coulson, did you

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know that this was going on? Did you have any indication or do you sit

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there as a Deputy sometimes substituting and not knowing all the

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stories in the paper were coming from hacking? Well, I guess that I

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was a bit like the Deputy Prime Minister who didn't know anything.

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Are you saying you didn't know? Are you saying you didn't know?

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APPLAUSE I have always said that I thought

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that phone hacking was disgusting and was wrong. But did you know? No,

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I didn't. So they were just plooeddy incompetent, he was saying? I don't

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know who you are to call anybody bloody incompetent. Certainly were

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and you must have known. When you get a story, you look at it and say,

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what is the source? It didn't work like that. But not when I was a

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journalist. It wasn't like that. We have had an eight month trial,

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that's been going on now for three years. There was Leveson and there

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was a continued wrangle about it. The latest estimate is that there's

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been in the region of ?40 million. 400 detectives have been tied up on

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this for years. I have to wonder at a time when there's only 30 Defence

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Secretaryives investigating operation Yewtree into child sexual

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abuse, they have only spent ?3 million on child sexual abuse,

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whether we have proportion Ality or whether this is a time to think, you

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know what, if you took 20% of that ?40 million and put it into child

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sexual abuse, whether that might have been a better use of the money.

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Absolutely right. More investigated in child sexual

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abuse. ALL SPEAK AT ONCE

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You lot will now think twice warm front you -- before you ever think

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about that. Child sex was involved in the story. We are talking about

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Madeleine McCann's family, Milly Dowler's family as well. Child sex

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was involved in the story. Nobody Sa above the law. Nobody is above the

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law. Absolutely. Remember, some people

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pleaded guilty in all of this. We forget that. It's not just the

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conviction of Coulson. There are four other people who pleaded guilty

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because precisely this investigation was extant from the police. During

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the last three years, listening to the panel, Murs Murdoch's doubled

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his wealth. It's cost the country ?120 million. Who is going to send

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him the bill? He will get it. He will get it. It's

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said that they are now considering a corporate liability right and that's

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why he's being interviewed by the police. Can't go into details but I

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can tell you the consequences if anyone's found guilty, they carry

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the full costs, so hang on, he might have to pay for it!

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Let's move on. We have had 20 minutes or so on this. At home,

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And we usually do. Question from Graham Sedgely, please? How fearful

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should we be of British combatants returning from Syria?

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Anna Soubry, you start on this one? Of course we should be fearful.

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These are young males utterly committed to a cause which I think

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most of us overwhelmingly would say was the wrong cause. They would have

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gone off, engaged in fighting and will no doubt come back in favour of

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their cause, I would hope they wouldn't so yes we are fearful and

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should be fearful. This should be said. The overwhelming majority of

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young Muslim men, just like all Muslims, are ordinary, good, decent,

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law-abiding people. This is a small minority. It's still significant

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because they are so dangerous, but we think that there are somewhere

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between 400 to 500 out in Syria or Iraq who're Jihadists. There are

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Sarah Krauss measures which the Government is already taking to make

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sure we reduce the numbers -- various measures. The majority are

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law abiding people. various measures. The majority are

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can't be brainwashed. Some have been. When we all work together on

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this in various agencies and as a society, we hope we'll minimise

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those when they return. Do you society, we hope we'll minimise

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distinction between going abroad society, we hope we'll minimise

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here and creating mayhem in Britain? society, we hope we'll minimise

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Are they not too slightly different things? Not really because if they

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are fighting abroad they are things? Not really because if they

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those countries, even though we things? Not really because if they

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don't like the Syrian regime, they are engaged effectively in terrorism

:24:51.:24:53.

in a war so that in itself is wrong. If they then come back here and

:24:54.:24:57.

engage or try to engage in similar sorts of activity that are unlawful,

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the full force of the law should come down on them.

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The in pink? Many young men went to fight in Spanish Civil War against

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the fascists and we didn't have any Government worrying about what they

:25:13.:25:15.

were going to do when they come back even though a lot would have been

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communists. Why is this so different? I think this

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communists. Why is this so different. These are often young

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men. There are others on the panel that know more about this than I do.

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men. There are others on the panel These are young men who have a cause

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often which means that they would go so far, something which I don't

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think we have ever seen before so far, something which I don't

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our world where they are so far, something which I don't

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their cause and to kill others, so they are very different in the

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circumstances of the Spanish Civil War. I said before you used

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circumstances of the Spanish Civil member of a group and then you

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abandoned that and you are a democrat now, a rather different

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kettle of fish. Do you think we should be fearful of people coming

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kettle of fish. Do you think we back? We should. Fearful of

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kettle of fish. Do you think we in this country. We have to

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emphasise that if you see somebody that looks like me walking around

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the street, doesn't mean that they are going to attack.

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APPLAUSE However, having said that,

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APPLAUSE However, young men that have gone to fight

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from across the world. young men that have gone to fight

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called foreign fighters. They have gone to fight in Syria, more than

:26:22.:26:27.

ever went to Afghanistan. We are dealing with a hardened minority.

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There will be a Syria blow back. We have to prefair for that.

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There will be a Syria blow back. We have to prefair for I worry because

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I saw the video of the young man from Cardiff speaking -- prepare for

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that. I saw myself in from Cardiff speaking -- prepare for

:26:45.:26:47.

young man in 2010 wanted to be Prime Minister, he said. He spoke about

:26:48.:26:53.

the problems that the ewe were having in Cardiff. He spoke about

:26:54.:26:59.

how we could get involved. Somewhere between 2010 and 014, we lost that

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young man. If he succeeded, he would have been the first Muslim Prime

:27:05.:27:08.

Minister in this country but we lost his passion and init's terrorists

:27:09.:27:13.

got to him - 20146789 the question is, what can we do to make sure we

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don't lose more young men like that. That. You were lost, so explain why

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you were misguided in your own mind? I was born and raised in Essex. I

:27:28.:27:32.

faced severe violent racist attacks with hammers, machetes,

:27:33.:27:39.

screwdrivers, I watched my white friends stabbed. It's what we call

:27:40.:27:44.

the bad old days. Things have improved incredibly since then,

:27:45.:27:48.

around the Stephen Lawrence murder. Then there was the ideological

:27:49.:27:56.

narrative. A world view was sold to me that somehow there was a global

:27:57.:28:00.

war which was a false narrative. On the solutions, I want to very

:28:01.:28:05.

quickly say that look, it's been about 13 years since 9/11 and it's

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still until this day what we don't have is a coordinated strategy

:28:11.:28:14.

across all Government departments led by the Communities and Local

:28:15.:28:18.

Government department to intervene in communities on a several society

:28:19.:28:23.

level to identify young men like this guy who wanted to be Prime

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Minister, to channel their energy in a positive way so they end up on a

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Question Time panel instead of in Syria. We have to provide examples

:28:30.:28:37.

of role models so positive energy is channelled instead of negativity.

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With the fact that it has been revealed the government made the

:28:51.:28:55.

mistake of deporting Abu Qatada on the basis of terrorist actions of

:28:56.:29:01.

which he has been acquitted... He has been acquitted on one set of

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charges. The verdict on the other two are in September. By Jove, we

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did the right thing in deporting that man. Absolutely. It is about

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time we let the Arab steel with their situation. At the end of the

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day, we have the G8, and they also have the Arab league and so on. But

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they seem to take a step back. We need to not make them do anything

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but, you know, maybe push harder so they can deal with their own

:29:40.:29:42.

situation. At the end of the day, it is a far place from us. Also, I like

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what you do a lot of the time, but you are on the fence a lot of the

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time, to be honest. With your Twitter, for example, I know you do

:29:57.:30:04.

not want me to bring it up, where you send some photos of the profit

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and so on, all you have to do is do something and stir things up in the

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community. Muslim people living in this country, brought up and

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everything, it just takes a little bit of something small to ignite

:30:20.:30:27.

things. You, as a politician, coming from an extremist group, need to be

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much more careful about what you say and do. This was about the cartoon

:30:31.:30:37.

of the Prophet Mohammed. I don't think you needed to do it. I have

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read your explanation in the Independent and I think it is a

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lousy excuse, to be honest. It is something you should not have done.

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I will let him answer in a moment, but what is your view about people

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who go to fight in Syria, British men in particular? I am quite

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astounded by it, to be honest. At the end of the day, we are British

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Muslims. This is our country, and I love my country.

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It is a very difficult question, but I have come to the conclusion,

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having been involved in Iraq, which turned out to be wrong, that it was

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about regime change, not about using the UN. I am glad to see we stopped

:31:27.:31:31.

from going into Syria, but it does appear we are back to the old

:31:32.:31:36.

crusades. Put on a white sheet with a Red Cross and we fight the Arabs

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and Christianity fights Muslims, and we are beginning to see that. All

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these young men watching on the television see people they identify

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with in a very family way, and they feel they are being slaughtered in

:31:50.:31:53.

many places, driven out of their country, for what reason? For a

:31:54.:31:58.

reason that we seem to think that our open, democratic society is what

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we should impose on them. They probably think it is far different.

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In a way, we should reconsider what we are contributing to that. As to

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the men coming back, the lads coming back, which has been talked about,

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it is not the same as the Spanish civil war. But basically we have now

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passed terrorist legislation. If you commit an offence here, and they

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will be checked on when they come back, that is what you get

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prosecuted for. If they commit atrocities in other countries, there

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is the international court to take them. But everybody has to start

:32:33.:32:38.

thinking differently about this. We are contributing to what these young

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kids are seeing on the TV as their own people getting knocked about,

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for what? We had better start rethinking it. We are talking about

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500 Brits who have gone out to fight in Syria. I suspect it would have

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been more if William Hague and David Cameron got their way and we got

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involved in what is essentially a civil war. There would have been

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double that and it would have been utter madness. I think what we have

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to do in this country is to tackle extremism. Yes, it has to be done on

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a government basis but equally from the Muslim communities themselves.

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They have to deal with the tiny minority of extremists. 99% of

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Muslims in this country are peaceful, hard-working, obey the

:33:27.:33:29.

rule of law and are a benefit to Britain. OK. But the problem is you

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have a small minority who are basically giving everyone a bad

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name. This has to be done through education, teaching British values

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in schools, dealing with these pop-up jihadist meetings through

:33:43.:33:48.

anti-terrorist organisations, and the big one is let's stop involving

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ourselves in far-flung Middle East wars that have absolutely nothing to

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do with us. I thought, incidentally, Maajid

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Nawaz's contribution was excellent. I am old enough to remember the

:34:12.:34:15.

troubles in Ulster. I covered it as a reporter when they were at their

:34:16.:34:20.

worst, the times of the IRA, the Protestant terrorists, etc. And all

:34:21.:34:28.

I can see is that the only way to solve this is a two-way thing. It is

:34:29.:34:33.

a government thing, inasmuch as you have to cut of the source of the

:34:34.:34:36.

arms, the weapons that went to the IRA. In this circumstance, what all

:34:37.:34:42.

governments have failed to do is to cut off the supply of

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governments have failed to do is to preachers who come in here. As the

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governments have failed to do is to father of our boy in Cardiff said,

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he said he wasn't radicalised by the internet, he was radicalised in a

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room in Cardiff. In a mosque in Cardiff. How do we resolve that? We

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have to stop these radical extremists coming in. The other

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thing, it really comes down to the community. The community in Northern

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Ireland, the Catholic community, basically got sick to death and did

:35:14.:35:17.

not believe any more in what was going on. And it is when the

:35:18.:35:22.

community properly trains its young, properly talks to its young people,

:35:23.:35:28.

give them aspiration, and they make it clear they genuinely do not agree

:35:29.:35:34.

with this, then it started to change. It's a big responsibility on

:35:35.:35:38.

government to stop the preachers and give job opportunities and put money

:35:39.:35:43.

into it, but it is equally important that the community actually

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genuinely believes and convinces their young that it must not carry

:35:46.:35:56.

on and we must stop this. I have listened to what has been said, and

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the Conservative Party, the leading party in the country, have to make a

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stand on these extremists that are going out of the country and coming

:36:05.:36:09.

back in. You talk about action but the public want to know what you are

:36:10.:36:12.

going to do. When these come back into the country, what action are

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you going to take? There is or was the fact that we have good

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intelligence and counterterrorism measures. We have already taken away

:36:20.:36:26.

passports, so that they cannot even go out there, at least 64 people.

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Are we talking 500, 1000? go out there, at least 64 people.

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believe, and it is difficult without go out there, at least 64 people.

:36:37.:36:38.

good intelligence and good counterterrorism officers, which we

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do have. It is very difficult because we know one of the

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do have. It is very difficult going on holiday to Turkey and then

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finding their way to Syria or Iraq. I am seeing evidence in

:36:52.:36:52.

Nottinghamshire of I am seeing evidence in

:36:53.:36:54.

work within my local Muslim community, where I can think of one

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of my Muslim councillors who works absolutely with other women to

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persuade them in relation to the way they are bringing up their sons and

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the messages they are giving to their sons in that community. The

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other thing which is terribly important is the fact that many of

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these important is the fact that many of

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marginalised, often because they feel excluded because of racism and

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prejudice and ignorance, and because they feel they have no place and no

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value. What about when they come back from fighting in Syria? They

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will feel it even more, surely. The question was about them coming back,

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and you are in the government. What would you like to see happen? If we

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are only talking about 500, they can easily be controlled by, for

:37:42.:37:45.

example, you could tag them for a certain period of time, so you could

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monitor where they are going, what they are doing. After two or three

:37:49.:37:53.

months, when they have settled back into the community, leave them

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alone. If we can prove they have committed criminal offences and been

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involved in conspiracy, when they return that is what would happen. It

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is a criminal act to go and fight abroad, since 1870. We know that and

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that is why we take the passports away from people. We are introducing

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those measures as well, so when people come back we can take that

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action. I want you to answer the attack made on you. I am sure it was

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well-intentioned. I understand where you are coming from. The gentleman

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was talking because on my Twitter account, you can go and check it

:38:33.:38:37.

out, somebody tweeted an image of the Prophet Mohammed. As a Muslim, I

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retweeted it and said, I am not offended by anyone who is not bound

:38:43.:38:46.

by those rules to tweak the image. I said God is greater than to take

:38:47.:38:52.

offence. It was a cartoon of Jesus saying hello to Muhammad and

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Mohammed saying, how are you doing. It was really bland and it caused

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uproar. The reason is that it is prohibited within traditional

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interpretations of Sunni Islam to draw the Prophet Mohammed. My point

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was, coming back to this theme of communities, and this is where I

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would like to address you, sir. I have served time in prison, I

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opposed the Iraq war from a jail cell in Egypt. I know where you are

:39:17.:39:22.

coming from. I have seen all of the grievances of your worst nightmares,

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so I empathise with the concerns of Muslim communities. The issue is

:39:25.:39:29.

that we have to take the level of responsibility in our communities to

:39:30.:39:33.

address these issues. If racism was widespread when I grew up among

:39:34.:39:37.

white working classes in Essex, responsibility was taken to a point

:39:38.:39:40.

where we now have a black president of America. In civil society, it is

:39:41.:39:45.

now to blue to be racist. Likewise with homophobia and anti-Semitism.

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That is how civil society debates can shift when people get involved

:39:50.:39:54.

in activism. My purpose in retweeting the image was to say, we

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have to open up our faith to scrutiny, open our views and beliefs

:39:58.:40:02.

to scrutiny, as everyone else is scrutinised. We have to feel mature

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enough not to feel offended when somebody says, I do not agree with

:40:06.:40:09.

this view of your religion. We need to have an open debate about it, and

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that is what it means to be in a liberal society. You are right, it

:40:14.:40:22.

does have to be tackled in the communities. But equally, through

:40:23.:40:26.

our own actions, since the turn-of-the-century, we have been

:40:27.:40:30.

giving oxygen to these hate preachers because we have been

:40:31.:40:34.

following this sort of neo-conservative foreign policy

:40:35.:40:37.

where we think we can run around the world acting as the world's police

:40:38.:40:41.

man and spreading Western democracy to countries that have never known

:40:42.:40:46.

democracy. I am sorry. It just does not work. These civil wars are none

:40:47.:40:50.

of our business and we do not want to see any British blood spilled in

:40:51.:40:53.

these countries any more. I would like to take the next question. With

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Cameron 's seemingly having lost the battle over the next European

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Commission president, does this indicate future failure to

:41:09.:41:12.

renegotiate Britain's's relationship within the EU? It looks as though

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Jean-Claude Juncker is going to become president of the commission.

:41:17.:41:27.

I will get to vote on this in a couple of weeks. Pretty rare for you

:41:28.:41:33.

to go and vote in the European Parliament! You are hardly ever

:41:34.:41:40.

there. How many times have you been there since you have been an MEPs?

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Just the odd occasion. My job is to drive public opinion in this country

:41:48.:41:52.

and we have been very successful. Coming off the back of winning those

:41:53.:41:56.

European elections. I will get the opportunity to vote on Mr Juncker in

:41:57.:42:01.

a couple of weeks, and I will certainly be voting against his

:42:02.:42:04.

appointment because the European Parliament has that right to veto.

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The European Union has told us that we are very democratic now and we

:42:11.:42:14.

will give the European Parliament the right to vote on the European

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Commissioner. Guess how many candidates we have been given? One.

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Democracy, EU style. The fact is that if Mr Juncker is appointed, as

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we suspect, it will prove three things. One, the European Union has

:42:29.:42:31.

learned nothing from the European elections, where there was

:42:32.:42:35.

widespread euro scepticism across the European Union. Two, Mr

:42:36.:42:40.

Cameron's promise of renegotiation is pie in the sky, because you

:42:41.:42:44.

cannot renegotiate with an organisation that does not want to

:42:45.:42:48.

enter into negotiations. Thirdly, written is more isolated in Europe

:42:49.:42:51.

than it has ever been. Europe is going this way, we are going that

:42:52.:42:55.

way. The best thing to do is to leave the European Union, be friends

:42:56.:43:00.

with our European partners and trade with them, but leave the politics

:43:01.:43:08.

behind. Let me just here from the question before we come to Anna

:43:09.:43:13.

Soubry. Restate your view. I think it will be very difficult for him to

:43:14.:43:19.

renegotiate within the EU. But I think it is worth noting that around

:43:20.:43:24.

the time of the in-out referendum, we will have the presidency of the

:43:25.:43:29.

Council of ministers, and therefore he will be able to set the agenda

:43:30.:43:36.

somewhat. But that's by no means means he will be able to renegotiate

:43:37.:43:39.

a different relationship with the EU. And if this failure to get a

:43:40.:43:51.

change over Juncker means bad things for the renegotiation. Yes, he is

:43:52.:43:57.

part of the old guard. If we get elected, as a majority government,

:43:58.:44:01.

in 2015, we have set ourselves the absolute promise that we have two

:44:02.:44:06.

years to look at how we renegotiate our relationship with the European

:44:07.:44:10.

Union. I will put my cards on the table. I hope to remain a member of

:44:11.:44:15.

the European Union. It is in Britain's interests to remain within

:44:16.:44:18.

the European Union, but I don't like the current arrangement. I take the

:44:19.:44:23.

view, and it is increasingly shared across the European Union, that

:44:24.:44:25.

there is a mood for change. I think in those two years we will be able

:44:26.:44:31.

to establish alliances and sees that mood and we will be able to

:44:32.:44:35.

renegotiate. And then we will put it to the test and give people a

:44:36.:44:38.

referendum, and you will at last have the opportunity to decide

:44:39.:44:42.

whether you are in or out. If you vote the UKIP, they can't deliver

:44:43.:44:46.

that. All that they do, frankly, is take the money and don't turn up.

:44:47.:44:56.

You are paid, let me finish, you are an elected representative, not just

:44:57.:45:01.

of UKIP but of all the people in the constituency you represent, just

:45:02.:45:07.

like I am. I don't just represent the Tories, I represent all my

:45:08.:45:11.

constituents, and I certainly take my responsibilities seriously and I

:45:12.:45:14.

don't just take the money and not turn up to vote.

:45:15.:45:22.

APPLAUSE Hang on, hang on.

:45:23.:45:29.

Over half the votes which go through the European Parliament are

:45:30.:45:33.

non-legislative, they are not worth the paper they are written on. If

:45:34.:45:37.

there's a talk shop, it has no power to initiate any laws. The

:45:38.:45:41.

commission, which meets in secret, actually hands the laws down to the

:45:42.:45:45.

European Parliament to rubber stamp. The fact of the matter is, this is

:45:46.:45:50.

totally and utterly undemocratic and we'd be better off out. For you,

:45:51.:45:55.

Anna, for example, to make the laws of this land, all we want is for the

:45:56.:46:01.

people who make the laws to be the people we representing.

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APPLAUSE Do you have any qualms about, as you

:46:05.:46:10.

put it, having a flakey attendance record and taking about ?600,000 a

:46:11.:46:18.

year to do it? ?600,000? ! I wish I did take ?600 thoufz. An MEP's

:46:19.:46:23.

salary is ?81,000, but on top of that, you get... Let me finish. On

:46:24.:46:28.

top of that, you get 301 euro a day to sign in and, as I very rarely

:46:29.:46:34.

sign in, I earn less money than any other MEP. How many staff do you

:46:35.:46:41.

have though? My constituency has 7. 5 million people. Yours is about

:46:42.:46:47.

70,000. You will no doubt be issuing a writ for the ?6 00,000?

:46:48.:46:52.

70,000. You will no doubt be issuing idea where that figure came from.

:46:53.:46:57.

Over a number of years undoubtedly then.

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Over a number of years undoubtedly Juncker? I notice

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Over a number of years undoubtedly whole thing's been blown out of

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proportion? As you know, I don't agree with Ken on this one and it's

:47:10.:47:17.

not about the personality. The point is, it's not about the

:47:18.:47:20.

personalities, it's the fact that we need a new type of way of doing the

:47:21.:47:25.

European Union, dealing with the European Union. We don't need more

:47:26.:47:30.

of the same. Theres a generation of people. We need a new way of doing

:47:31.:47:35.

the EU if we are to stay in it as I want us to be in a European Union

:47:36.:47:38.

that works for the people, represents the

:47:39.:47:38.

right thing by them. We can do that. All right. There are others here.

:47:39.:47:44.

right thing by them. We can do that. know you are keen to keep on and on

:47:45.:47:50.

about it, but we have just got to ask John Prescott his view? In the

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1970s, I fought to get a referendum and we did get one and

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1970s, I fought to get a referendum that would take us out of Europe and

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I've never believed in a federal Europe. The free movement is giving

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us the federal Europe which I'm still against. But the people voted

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to stay in and I think they'll vote to stay in again. Now, coming to

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Juncker, I've worked with him and also I was in the European

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Parliament for a while. It wasn't a Parliament, it was an assembly.

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Still is. It has extra powers. But in my view, I disagree with him, I

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mean he's a decent kind of guy, he believes in a federal Europe. But

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Cameron has others in Europe that wanted to make some changes. He lost

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them by the way he negotiated. He got rid of them by going out and

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saying she's on my side, that created chaos in Germany. All the

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others supporting him were there. He's shown incompetence in

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negotiations again and very bad judgment. That's our Prime Minister.

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Second row from the back, you Sir? What I think of Mr Juncker

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personally is neither here nor there, but you keep using the word

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democracy. Mr Juncker's group is the biggest in the European Parliament,

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shouldn't they get the top job like the Conservatives do for being the

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biggest group in the British Parliament? I suspect - I'm the only

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true independent on this - and I suspect I'm like Cameron and haven't

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got a clue how to work this out. So on the one hand, I really, really

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resent the lack of democracy in Europe. I find it absolutely

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unbelievable, the idea that they can decide that this man from Luxembourg

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is going to be the effectively the Prime Minister of Europe. President

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of Europe. That's not democracy because you haven't got a vote in

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it. Did you choose? No you didn't. So I'm also, I agree, I'm not going

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to say anything but I'm against the federalists. I don't believe anybody

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should be telling me how to run the nuts-and-bolts of this country. I

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do, on the other hand, believe in a European, if you like, economic free

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zone. I would like the fact that I can move around Europe. I like being

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part of Europe in that way. I suspect I might, as John pointed

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out, end up voting to stay. But I have to say, every single day it

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gets harder because they slap the lack of democracy in our face.

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You, Sir, up there? This whole debate is a prime example of why

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voter turnout is so low. Nobody really cares about Mr Juncker or who

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is the President. It's about what actually happens to the real people.

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At the moment, we haven't had a question that affects real people in

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the UK and that's why people are so disenfranchised. John Prescott sat

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there and moaned about the Asians, yet you were part of the Government

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who voted for a war in Iraq and I just find it utterly mind-blowing.

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I'm happy that the Liberal Democrats didn't support the Iraq war but it's

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about the process and how to make it relevant is that the suggestion of

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Nick Clegg, what we have been pushing for, the countries should

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have a say as to who is Head of The Commission and not the MEPs,

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especially those elected not to do anything and claim the money for it.

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Hold on, stop fighting little battles and come back to the

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question that the questioner asked. Does the failure over this

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particular battle mean that the battle to get change will be more

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difficult? Yes, it will be more difficult but there are serious

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concerns ALL: Three parties have taken the same

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stance and it's rare that happens and they've done it. It's happened

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over this issue. They have done it because there are genuine concerns

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that Anna and everyone on the panel have raised about, for example, the

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sheer waste of money in the EU, the bureaucracy and the way in which the

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Parliament shifts every year. Millions of pound are wasted on

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shifting the Parliament twice a year. That is why we need a

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referendum. Juncker is from the old way of doing

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things and there needs to be a new vision for Europe. We all love our

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Swiss watches and Belgium chocolate, German cars and proposing in Paris,

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like I did! What we don't like, is the waste of money...

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LAUGHTER A referendum is a good thing from within Europe, stay

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within Europe and I would vote for negotiating to stay within the EU so

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we can stlen then our hand. -- strengthen our hand. I think

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everybody on the panel ice maizing the real point is is people want to

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know what are the terms that we want to renegotiate in terms of what are

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the key factors in what people want. I know a lot of people in business

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want to remain part of Europe but they are not happy with the aspect

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of the political, you know, integration and things like that.

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Also when you look at a day when today, for example, the statistics

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of immigration shows 400,000 more net migration to the UK which is not

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necessarily a problem, but people need to remember we need to develop

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our infrastructure to absorb these people and that's the real key, yew

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issue here and it's about making the infrastructure available. Because

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people are getting really, really annoyed that it's not the

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infrastructure which is built. People are very passionate in this

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country, we have a very, very diverse community and everybody

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should be proud of that. But it's the infrastructure, it's not built

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to absorb this. Paul Nuttall, does he have the

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solution for you in UKIP or not? I think to be honest, the idea of

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being completely out of Europe is very, very, very dangerous. Very

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dangerous. Hear, hear. APPLAUSE

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Just a brief answer, Paul. I want to get one last question in too before

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we stop. If Britain came out, we could trade and be friends with our

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European partners. We are the sixth largest economy. We have links to

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the Commonwealth. This country could be more democratic, more free and

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have more money. It makes sense to leave the European Union. We'd be

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far better in campaigning for what issues are and trying to move

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people's votes to come back to making more decisions in

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Westminster. All right, we'll leave it there.

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Campaign to stay in. I don't like leave ago sirious topic like this,

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but this is one topic that everyone is concerned about, and it's a

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question from Samina Hussain. Does Suarez' match ban suggest football

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is soft on violent behaviour? Is football soft on behaviour, just

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four months for biting someone's shoulder? You never bit anyone's

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shoulder, did you, John? I bet you wanted to? I'm a bit traditionalist

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like that. Just a little right hook. Suarez, properly treated. Is it

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right. Should he have been drummed out of football? He's a shocker.

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It's so sad because he's actually a brilliant footballer, I mean even

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Paul, we'd agree on this wouldn't we, a Liverpool fan! It was

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outrageous, third time he's done it. Personally if you could, I would

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have him charged. Something Personally if you could, I would

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that, he'd be on the edge of going Personally if you could, I would

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away. Four months. Liverpool are selling him, aren't they?

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away. Four months. Liverpool are think the fact that he's now gone

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and think the fact that he's now gone

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to see him in a Red Shirt until November, will be far more difficult

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for us to win the league. He'll have to take his teeth out!

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APPLAUSE I'm going to agree with my UKIP

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colleague and say, I'm also a I'm going to agree with my UKIP

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Liverpool fan. I've been a long-life fan. Oh, dear. You'll Never Walk

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Alone. We have just discussed something about the young men

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getting involved in violence and the dangers of that and how to stop it.

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This is not an example to set. Sportsmen should be setting a better

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example. Things should be coming together to pull this country

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together and not divide it. It's justified that he's disciplined. I

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can't resist this. It's a great topic to get our teeth into! And I

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just want to say, if Liverpool get an off, they should bite their hand

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off! All right.

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We've got to stop, but you look so eager to come in. I'll just bring

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you in, the young man eager to come in. I'll just bring

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left there. Quickly. I was wondering if the BBC was soft on football

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violence as they had Joey Barton on the panel a few weeks ago. Very

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true, very true. What kind of an example of that is that as a

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panelist? We have got John Prescott. To be fair, John acted in

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self-defence. No charges! Our hour is

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self-defence. sorry. I know there are lots to say

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on that, but our time is up. Next week we are in Croydon and

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we'll have Alan Johnson, Jo Swinson for the Liberal Democrats and the

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Deputy editor of for the Liberal Democrats and the

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Tony Gallagher. The week after that, we'll be in Inverness. We have a

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panel with no politicians at all on it in Inverness. Don't ask me why,

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but that's the way it is. If you want to come

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but that's the way it is. If you Inverness, go to the website and

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but that's the way it is. If you address is on the screen. Or you can

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call us: We'll get in touch with you. My

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thanks to all our panelists here and to all of you who came to

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Wolverhampton to take part in tonight's Question Time. Until next

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Thursday, good night. What's up?

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Oi, oi! Hey, Glastonbury.

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How you doing?

:59:36.:59:37.

David Dimbleby presents topical debate from Wolverhampton, with Conservative defence minister Anna Soubry MP, Labour's former deputy prime minister Lord Prescott, deputy leader of UKIP, Paul Nuttall MEP, anti-extremism campaigner and Liberal Democrat parliamentary candidate Maajid Nawaz and the former executive editor of the News of the World, Neil Wallis.


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