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Welcome to York, where in just half an hour's time

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Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn will face questions

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We're counting down to the start of

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the BBC Question Time Leaders Special.

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With just six days to polling day, Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn

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are gearing up for a special edition of BBC Question Time.

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They won't appear at the same time, instead each will take questions

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We're here in the spin room at the University of York

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along with commentators, bloggers and party representatives.

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This is where the battle of the party message will be played

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The party leaders arrived here a short while ago where

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in tonight's programme, hosted by David Dimbleby,

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each party leader will separately answer questions from the studio

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Theresa May will go first and Jeremy Corbyn second.

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We'll bring you the full debate at 8.30pm, with on-screen analysis

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We'll have the latest reaction from the BBC Reality Check team,

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who will be fact-checking the leaders comments in real time.

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And thoughts of the BBC's politics team and political commentators.

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Then at 10pm, I'll be back with a special reaction programme

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hearing from the parties and the pundits.

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Let's talk now to Shadow Business Secretary Rebecca Long Bailey,

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and Culture Secretary Karen Bradley.

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Karen Bradley, if I can start with you. You know Theresa May well, you

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work the third The Home Office, and wanted a sense of how the campaign

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was going as you see it. I worked with Theresa May Futuna half years

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and I've been honoured to serve in a Cabinet for nearly 12 months. She is

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determined lady and leader and you can trust her to make the right

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decisions. In six days we're going to be facing the most important

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election for a generation. The decision is whether people want

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Theresa May leading the Brexit negotiations or if they want Jeremy

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Corbyn. Tonight they can see what they think of those two leaders.

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When you first had that message a couple of weeks ago, did your magic

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that at this stage polls and everyone else seems to suggest

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Theresa May is under pressure. We always said that going into an

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election things can happen and the polls have been wrong in the past

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and they are tightening, there is no doubt about it. There is a risk that

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this time next week Jeremy Corbyn could be negotiating deals to get

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himself into Downing Street in the event of a hung Parliament. The

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Conservatives only need to lose 60s for that to be a reality. So tonight

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is an opportunity for people to see both readers and to decide who they

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want to go into the Brexit negotiations 11 days after the

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general election. How will Jeremy Corbyn be approaching tonight? He

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will be giving it his all. We do not want another seven years of

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Conservative rule. My community has been destroyed by the cuts in the

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local authorities do to the NHS. We have seen very little support for

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business to help our economy grow and prosper, productivity is down,

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we are in a state of affairs where wages are 10% lower than they were

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before the financial crash. While we are offering in the manifesto is a

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bold and transformative vision. This does not incur when the sides to

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make life a little better, this will transform our economy and society

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and make Britain a world leader. Today I launched our industrial

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strategy Barak committed to making us and innovation nation, where we

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will increase our investment in research and development to 3% of

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GDP. It is currently the low competitors across the world.

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Audiences like the one tonight have a knack of cutting to the chase and

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Afghan leaders questions they find uncomfortable. How do you think you

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will cope with those? I think he will cope very well. To debate him

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head-on. I hope the audience will have cleared the social cap is going

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to be, where Prime Minister Mac will put that, how many people will lose

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their winter tour fuel allowance, we have been told I could be up to 10

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million pensioners who feel they have been kicked in the teeth. The

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IFF says there is no money in the Conservative manifesto for the NHS

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or public services and there is no reference to costing or spending

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plans. I hope she is held to account on this policy issues tonight and

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ensure the audience will do that. Between you and me, how do you think

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Theresa May has ran the campaign so far? A lot of criticism for not

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turning up to the debate. She always said she was never going to go to

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that debate and she sticks to her plan, unlike Jeremy Corbyn who

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decided on the morning of the debate. It took in six weeks to

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decide. Rebecca Omega point about the economy and we will not have a

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strong economy unless they get a good deal from Brexit. -- Rebecca

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has made the point. This is why it is the most important election in a

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generation because in one week there is a risk that Jeremy Corbyn will be

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in number ten in Barking on Brexit negotiations not upside the SNP, the

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Liberal Democrats and who knows who else. Theresa May stood on the steps

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of Downing Street a few weeks ago deluded with paranoia accusing

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Europe of getting involved in the general election. She is not winning

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friends are influencing people. She says that no deal is better than a

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bad deal, although businesses are saying that is the worst outcome.

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They have picked some winners and losers, Abbas spoke the author

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Nissan, while leaving other companies out in the cold. This is

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not a strong and stable the go shooting position that this

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Government has set out to achieve. Are you nervous about tonight? I'm

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not nervous, I think Jeremy Corbyn will smash it. I hope that people

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see the risk that the rays and that it is not safe to vote for the

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Labour Party. So we're hearing from

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the politicians and the pundits, Sophie Long has been

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to a bar here in York. I'm just in the centre of York,

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just along the banks of the River Ouse, in a wine bar,

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and there's been quite a debate here ahead

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of tonight's special programme. Let me just introduce

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you and give you a taste. Steve, hi, have you been

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following the election campaign? And what you think of

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Theresa May's campaign so far? I think she shot herself

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in the foot by trying to hurt I'd like to ask her why she thinks

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it's OK for our friends who own a ?150,000 house

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to have their son left with ?100,000, and for my wife

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and I, who own a ?450,000 house, that if we get dementia,

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we have just got ?100,000 left, and it's cost us 350,

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and our friends it's cost 50. I will still vote for her,

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I would normally vote Ukip, but I will vote for her to keep

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the nutcase out. Let's speak to Ruby and Joe,

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you have a different perspective, you work at this wine bar,

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and you're a bit younger, shall we say, than Steve

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there, just in your 20s. Have you been

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following the campaign? Yeah, I've been following for

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Labour, following Jeremy. My main concern is the NHS,

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that I don't want it to be sold off or privatised and it remains

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accessible and So you'll be looking for questions

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on that tonight in tonight's debate. I just think that Labour has come

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out with the manifesto that been fully budgeted,

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and Corbyn as a leader, he's just so relatable and actually

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wants to spend the time getting That is the view of the voters and

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they will be asking questions tonight. Let's speak to Sir Michael

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Stoute on, the Defence Secretary. Are you nervous? No, but it is a big

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debate because this decision is only six days away and the country has to

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choose the right person to lead us into a successful Brexit

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negotiations. We say that is Theresa May, she has proven her leadership

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credentials already, and then Jeremy Corbyn has it all to do tonight, to

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explain how he will finance is spending promises, to explain his

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third offence record, and to defence how he will be propped up by Liberal

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Democrats Scottish Nationalists, what can you call it a quality

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Government could that be? What do you think about how Theresa May has

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ran the campaign so far? We never believed we were 20 points ahead

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five weeks ago, we never believed that. Inevitably as the campaign

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goes on the focus begins to sharpen. Only two people can become Prime

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Minister next Friday morning, Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn, that

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is the choice the country faces. It is difficult for the incumbent Prime

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Minister and it is difficult because she is going first as well. How do

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you think she will respond to the questions on past policy, the NHS,

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how has she been rehearsing? She has been preparing to defend our

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record... That got a laugh from the audience in a previous debate. We

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have seen a massive drop in unemployment, we have a strong

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record of putting more money into public services, getting the deficit

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down, but above all she has set out a clear vision for this country of

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how we negotiate this Brexit decision that we all took last year

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and how we build a stronger future for Britain after that. How

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important is tonight? It is very important, it is the last chance for

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people to focus on who will be Prime Minister next Friday, who has the

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leadership potential to take this into country Brexit and to build a

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stronger, fairer Britain have the Brexit. That is Theresa May and

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Jeremy Corbyn has a lot to prove tonight. Thank you for joining us.

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Everyone will be looking at the body language.

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Whenever there's a debate like this, no matter the format,

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the leaders will be aware that we're watching a performance,

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and body language, of course, has a lot to do with how

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Let's speak now to Darren Stanton, who's a body language expert.

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As we have been hearing, both Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May have been

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primacy -- have been practising. What will they have been told to

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avoid? I think any gesture that there is insincere or defensive. I

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look for a baseline, both politicians are very well coached.

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It any questions are as that the politicians are not happy to answer,

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they will be a break in their pattern of behaviour. So folding

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their arms are putting their hands in the pockets, these are breaks and

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the gestures that the politicians generally use. When you think of

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American elections, sweating is an issue. People think that sweating

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comes across as insincere or that they have something to hide, so I

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think sweating could be something that makes the voters think there is

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something not right. In terms of how they and so the question the

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audience will follow. They have got to be straight tonight. Absolutely.

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With 96% of communication being nonverbal, voters will not just be

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hearing what they say but also what they are not saying and is their

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body language consistent with the message they are trying to convey.

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Is this a discussion that can be lost more easily than it can be one?

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I think so, I think it will be very interesting and potentially very

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close. If one politician says the wrong thing, even if they have had a

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perfect performance, one thing to be the tipping point that makes the

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difference to the whole debate. What are the little things that most of

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us do not notice? What will you be looking for that gives away how they

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are feeling any particular moment? The way people present themselves is

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linked to a motion, so there are micro-expressions that are very

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fleeting flashes of the motion and these generally are happy or sad or

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fear or surprise or content, so if either politician says they are

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happy to answer the question but then they shall fear, why would they

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be masking that a motion? I will be looking for inconsistencies in terms

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of what they are saying and what their emotions are betraying. I

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would be terrified sitting in front of an audience of 150 people knowing

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that at least half of them were about to expose me, so how will they

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have camped themselves down before this? They will have had coaches,

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maybe rehearsing as best they can because if we rehearse as much as

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possible when they do go into the real setting the mind will imagine

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it has been through it before, so I think a little bit of nerds is a

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good thing but essentially it is just the fact that they rehearse so

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much. -- a little bit of nerves. It will be very very interesting. Thank

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you for joining us this evening. I'm going to talk to someone who is

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responsible for the Labour campaign. Andrew, is this where you thought

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you would be six days before polling day? I am pleased with the way that

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we have been able to get our progressive view of the different,

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more equal Britain and across to people and we are seeing that many

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of the policies we happily tied are resonating with people, it is the

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change for the better people want to see. If you had said six weeks ago,

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would we be here, I remember getting last that by one of the BBC Radio

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stations that interviewed me and they said, come on, you do not have

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a chance of winning this election, you are 20% behind in the polls and

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you are going to get battered. I said, let us have a bit of optimism

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and fairness here, because I think when people understand exactly what

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the Labour Party is about, the vision of a fairer and more equal

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Britain, we will see that public opinion shift, and that is what has

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happened in the last six weeks. Is the issue not Jeremy Corbyn the man

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and people have heard from him directly now. That is part of the

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reason why peoples have shifted, because the print media is

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traditionally hostile towards the Labour Party, that has always been

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the case, and we don't always get a fierce hearing in the media. What we

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have seen is because of the impartiality rules that govern the

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broadcast media, that actually people are listening and hearing the

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real Labour Party message and seeing the real leadership qualities, not

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what they might read in some sections of the print media. How

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have you advise Jeremy Corbyn to respond tonight? It is a difficult

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big and there is a lot to play for. My advice is just to be who you are,

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because one of the reasons I think people are moving towards the Labour

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Party is because for two long politics has been stage-managed in

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this country, we have played by the same rule books on the left and

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right of British politics, but people are beginning to see we are

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robots and we sound the same and look the same. Now people are

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starting... Here we have a Labour manifesto and the Labour top team

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that does not play by the traditional rule books, they look

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and sound like ordinary people with a desire to improve our country for

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the better. What are you saying to those in your own party who said at

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the beginning of the campaign that the leader was a liability. The

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thing about a six-week campaign is that we are out there knocking on

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doors and trying to convince people that there is a better way of doing

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things, politics is not have to be as it has been in recent years, that

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is a unifying factor across the Parliamentary Labour Party and the

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candidates out knocking on doors as we speak. We now that a Labour

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Government is better than any alternative Conservative Government

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that is on offer. We want to put that case, to change our country for

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the better on education, on health, on the economy, making sure our

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elderly people had dignity in old age, and that is the vision we are

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putting forward and why people are coming home to the Labour Party.

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Thank you very much. Now we can speak to Sam, the former director of

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community is and is for Jeremy Corbyn. We are also joined by a

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journalist and former Conservative spin doctor. How should Theresa May

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be approaching tonight? I think it is important, we heard Michael

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Fallon testifying to that earlier and I think it is interesting how

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people in your spin room are building up the significance of this

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evening. It will potentially set the tone to the run-up to the election

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and bearing that in mind, I would hope, and I'm sure that by Minister

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Mac has been preparing carefully to make sure she has antlers for some

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of the areas that have not been answered adequately throughout the

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campaign, as well as adding some new material to take us through to

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polling day. -- and sure that Theresa May has been preparing

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carefully. Jeremy Corbyn faces the same audience and follow-up

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questions, not what he is normally used to. How would you advise him to

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deal with that? He's seriously -- she once the Brexit negotiations but

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she is refusing to say since head-on. She seems to be kowtowing

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to Donald Trump's climate change decision today. I think Jeremy

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Corbyn will do very well tonight. Once we have unvarnished genomic

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cordon, people are realising that he is honest and he has integrity. --

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unvarnished Jeremy Corbyn. For Theresa May, it is falling apart, it

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is a disaster. You already hear rumours about the 9th of June. I

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advise Jeremy Corbyn to take things head-on, be honest, and set out your

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vision for this country and how were going to transform it for the

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better. Tax plans that say 95% of people will not pay any more and

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those at the very top, the super-rich, will pay a little more

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so we can have more nurses, are Fire Service is not slashed, our Navy and

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RAF are not better mated and we have 10,000 new police officers on the

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street under Labour. Is this where you thought Theresa May and the

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Conservative Party would be at this stage of the campaign? At the start

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of the campaign at the polls were extraordinary. Speaking to friends

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of mine at various levels of the Conservative Party, no one believed

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those polls at face value. People were talking about a Conservative

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win, but not in those amounts. That said, as I have indicated, I do not

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think it has been a very skilful campaign, there have been some

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problems with it, they the focus so much on Jeremy Corbyn and his

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personality has played to his advantage and we have lost touch

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slightly with what Theresa May's vision for post-Brexit Britain is

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about. She was good at the beginning spelling out something quite

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interesting that appeal to people beyond the Conservative Party, when

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she first came to power as Prime Minister, and in her speech that she

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gave to the Conservative Party conference last October. I am hoping

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we will get bored of that in the final days. Sam, if I can return to

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you, the attack tactic, will that work in front of an audience who had

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Jeremy Corbyn in front of them. I will Jeremy Corbyn deal with that?

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Jeremy Corbyn is about common decency in principle. I have come

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back from the campaign trail in the north-east of England and what is

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interesting is that the Labour Party manifesto usually cutting through

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those working-class voters that it or is that they could go at that,

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perhaps they voted for Brexit or in the past Ukip, but what I'm finding

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all the country is they are saying, the Labour Party has an agenda after

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taking back control of our country properly, rather than giving away

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all our national assets to foreign bidders. It is an interesting

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dynamic that the Tories but they keep coming and pick up all the Ukip

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thoughts and we're finding that lots of those people are saying it is too

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risky to have the Tories, the dementia tax, the cuts to local

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schools, people have had enough and they are thinking what the Labour

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Party has put forward is sensible, costed, and will make their lives

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better. Finally, is tonight's debate, debate is the wrong word,

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but her performance tonight, how crucial is it that she does not make

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a mistake or get something wrong? I think it is very important that we

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see the best of Theresa May this evening, it is the final one of

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these set piece debates or interviews and it will set the tone

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that the next couple of days, but it is important that she puts to rest

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some of the suggestions that we have heard from Sam on how the economy

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could support the kind of plans we have heard from Jeremy Corbyn. I

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have been critical of the focus on Jeremy Corbyn's personality in the

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campaign, that is been at the expense of picking holes in the

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Labour Party manifesto and how undeliverable it is. It is important

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she does that this evening. Thank you both very much for joining us

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tonight. Joining me is Owen Bennett,

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deputy political editor And Vicky ran schoolbag Young, our

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editor the stakes are a large? Jeremy Corbyn has the campaign, but

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with the momentum comes the chance that the quicker you go the tiniest

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thing contribute up. If he misspoke or gave the wrong figure again, it

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could derail the momentum. Theresa May has to get a strong and stable

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performance, she does not need to be flashy, she does not need to put on

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a fantastic performance, she just needs to show that she is not

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worried by the polls, she's taking it in her stride, and I think that

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will put a lot of boaters' fears to bed. Is this occurs to lose because

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of that reason? People's have different expectations of Jeremy

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Corbyn? Even though Labour seem to have this rise in the polls, the

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Conservative Party are still ahead and there is a long way for the

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Labour Party to golf. It is very much hers to lead. If could be

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strong and keep trying to -- could be strong and she keeps trying to

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see it as a choice between her and Jeremy Corbyn, who do you want

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running the country, I think that is the line she will go down tonight.

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Here are pictures of the two leaders arriving here earlier tonight. They

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have rehearsed, they have done what they can, the difficulty is that

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this is a Yorkshire audience which is a difficult act. You never know

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if the question is will curve ball or if they will heckle or what the

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mood of the room will be. On Monday, the audience were laughing at

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Theresa May will stop if they start getting on Jeremy Corbyn's back and

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start booing at him, it will be interesting to see how he copes with

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that. We will perhaps speak to you later on. The key young is here with

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me. This is important. Most people are probably just starting to

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finalise how they are going to vote in this election, the campaign has

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been going on for weeks but we are getting to that last bit now where

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people are focusing on who they are going to choose to be their next

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Prime Minister, and that is what Theresa May will be trying to do,

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she has been in the role for a year and will be saying that she is the

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person to lead us into Brexit negotiations, but she cannot have it

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all her own way, she needs to take questions, so if someone acts about

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local school funding or a local hospital, she will need to answer

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that and she cannot do that with sound bites. Jeremy Corbyn has been

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a backbencher all his life and now he has to convince people that he

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could be Prime Minister. The body language will be interesting.

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Neither of these two leaders that they would be in the position that

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they are six days before the election. The wider point that

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neither of them, although Pamina Sir has been at the top of Government

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for many years, she has not done a campaign like this. -- although

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Theresa May has been at the top. For her, this is the first time she has

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been exposed to this as well as Jeremy Corbyn. He has been elected

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twice to the Labour leader, he has done some hustings and debates.

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Explain the importance of this spin room, because in half an hour this

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will be busy. Each party has sent a number of people to come here to

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speak to us that the words, to talk about how they think it went, and

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how they think the other side did not do well, and they will be

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pointing at what one or the other is said and why that is significant or

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could have a big impact on the campaign, so everyone will be

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watching it very closely. Last time there were difficult questions for

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David Cameron and Ed Miliband. The format was harder than a lot of

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leaders shouting at each other. We will be back at 10pm immediately

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after that programme. At 8:30pm, it is time to go over the road

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