31/05/2017 Reporting Scotland


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champions his legacy hangs in the balance. Dan Rowan,


On Election Reporting Scotland tonight:


Going head to head just over a week before polling day,


And the Scottish Lib Dems launch their manifesto,


Just over a week to go until polling day and one of the biggest debates


of the election campaign has just taken place.


Theresa May refused to take part in the BBC debate,


but Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn did decide to take part,


announcing his decision earlier today.


Lets go live to Cambridge and our Political Correspondent


That's right. Good evening from the Senate house here in Cambridge where


the debate has taken place just over an hour ago. 19 minutes of


discussion in which the dynamics of the debate changed when Jeremy


Corbyn announced at lunchtime today that he would, after all, take part


in today's debate. Theresa May made it plain that she would not come,


despite the fact that Jeremy Corbyn decided he would attend the debate.


It meant that at times it was six against one, the opposition parties


against the Conservatives, and making great play as to why Theresa


May was not here. As you say, no Nicola Sturgeon either. The SNP was


represented by Angus Robertson. Officials say he is the man that has


been at Westminster and is used to dealing with the Westminster


situation, and is used to challenging Westminster politicians.


If Theresa May had decided to turn up, the SNP would have had a hard


thing, and the possibility that Nicola Sturgeon would have taken


part in tonight's debate. That did not happen. It was one of those


debates where all of them will be quite happy with the way things


went. They were able to get across the key points they wanted. There


was no gaffe from any of the seven politicians, to cause problems, and


with a week ago, they also to perhaps win over some of the


undecided voters. It was fairly heated


at moments, particularly on


the subject of immigration? It was a very passionate 90 minutes.


It was noisy, it was shouting at times. It seemed as though it was


hard to control the politicians, because they were going at it hammer


and tongs on a range of issues. But as you mentioned, immigration proved


to be quite a passionate issue. In the Scottish context, no one seemed


to disagree as far as Scotland was concerned, immigration and the


number of people coming to Scotland were a problem. The argument was


very much the reverse, that Scotland had been losing its population. It


was said that immigration was not a problem in Scotland. The problem


with Scotland was emigration. In other parts of the UK, a slightly


different view on that one. Of all the subjects discussed tonight,


social care, security matters, Brexit, immigration was one of the


topics that raised the temperature. David, thank you so much.


Now, the Scottish Lib Dems have launched their manifesto today,


with leader Willie Rennie telling BBC Scotland that his party


is set to make "great progress" in the election.


Here's our political editor Brian Taylor.


Scotland's capital, reefs in sunshine as if it weren't tough


enough already to get people to focus on politics. But easing


through the lunchtime crowds, Willie Rennie thinks he has found the


formula. Picking apart his party's logo, he says the final Brexit deal


must be put to another referendum. The option of staying in the EU. Is


there another bit? But a second referendum on Scottish independence,


it's a bird that won't fly. The SNP need to focus on the day job. That's


why the Liberal Democrats are saying clearly, we are against a second


divisive independence referendum, 4- stop. The


MPs can't alter income tax, because that is devolved. Among other


things, the Lib Dems would end the 1% pay cap, affecting public-sector


employees. They would keep the triple lock on pensions, and provide


guarantees to EU residents already in Scotland. Largely aimed at


helping the universities. Post-oil, they would help the north-east


economy to diversify. They paint a picture of a struggling economy,


promising to boost growth, while eliminating the day-to-day deficit


by 2020. They say they will make a positive case for immigration, but


can they gain ground in Scotland? Lib Dems, it is a direct contest


between us and the SNP. I know we are going to make great progress and


grow in the election, because we are crucial to stopping that second


divisive independence referendum before it even starts. But of


course, the UK wide elections are fought street by street. Liberal


Democrats hope that pavement politics will work for them once


more. we've got the former


Scottish Lib Dem policy convenor, Siobhan Mathers, Angela Haggerty,


the editor of Common Space website; and the Political Editor


of the Daily Record, David Clegg, Good evening to you all. Let's start


off with the debate, because it is fresh this evening. What did you


make of it, was it an easier watch than the ITV debate? At parts, the


politicians were remarkably well-behaved. Something got the


passions running, and it went back to talking over each other. But it


was interesting, if you take away from it. Theresa May didn't come out


of it looking very well. There was a question at the end about what each


leader had in leadership qualities that should make them the Prime


Minister. Of course, everybody took the opportunity to have a go at


Theresa May for not turning up. That went on for minutes. Jeremy Corbyn,


I think, it was a bit risky for him to turn up at the last minute,


because there was a risk that the other party leaders might round up


on him, but I think he dealt with that as well as he could have done.


And I think, again, he seems to have, judging by social media at


this stage, it seems to have gone down quite well. Another you got


Paul has come out tonight, and it is putting the difference between the


Tories and Labour at three points. The Jeremy Corbyn effect is what we


are talking about, and we expect to be talking about Angus Robertson for


the SNP. He is always competent and delivers well. Whether he will have


the same impact as Nicola Sturgeon, I'm not quite sure. Sherborne, what


did you make of Jeremy Corbyn's performance, given that it was a


last-minute decision to join the debate? Jeremy Corbyn looks like he


is having fun in this campaign. He is warming up, he has nothing to


lose. He is entering into the spirit of it. That is really showing. The


fact he is there, making an effort, it was basically him saying, "Where


is Theresa May?" That went down very well, and it looked like he was


enjoying it. It wasn't perfect, but not bad. David Clay, how much was


Theresa May's absence and issue? It was referred to. It absolutely was.


The most memorable moment of the debate didn't take place during the


debate, it happened earlier when Theresa May was asked in an


interview about it, and gave a pathetic answer about why she wasn't


there because she was concentrating on Brexit. I think it undermined


what is, after all, the central message of the Conservative


campaign. Theresa May was not strong and stable enough to turn up at a TV


debate. Jeremy Corbyn made the right position to capitalise on that. He


has had the momentum in the last few days, the polls are narrowing will


to turn up and take that home, the one disappointing thing for him may


be, once he got onto the debate, he didn't make that much hay regarding


Theresa May being there. I think it was Angus Robertson that made more


of that. That go to the other story today, the Scottish Lib Dems


launching their manifesto. They, like the UK wide party, would put a


penny on income tax. Here, that would be used for mental health and


education. Down south, it will beat NHS and social care, why the


difference? The Lib Dems have always had the capacity to make policy


separately, and we are quite proud of that. It is where the greatest


need is. Up in Scotland, the priorities we have our education, it


is dropping down the rankings. That is what we hear on the doorsteps.


And mental health is shocking. There is a real opportunity to make a


difference in Scotland. So that is why. What did you make of the


Scottish Lib Dem manifesto? Actually, I was quite surprised


about how it really struggle to break through. Again, judging by


social media, at manifesto launches, they picked up traction, and I saw a


bit more about the Scottish Ukip manifesto launch, than the Scottish


Lib Dem one. It reflects how the Lib Dems, much like Scottish Labour, are


struggling still to find where they fit within the constitutional


debate, and that is the thing dominating the general election in


Scotland. It is tricky for Willie Rennie as well, because he is


backing this manifesto, and a referendum on Brexit terms, but they


are mentally opposed to a second Scottish independence referendum. It


is a conflict for the Lib Dems that they will have to keep explaining.


Willie Rennie will find it quite tricky. Onto the Ukip manifesto,


which was also launched today in Scotland, what did you make of... It


was 32 pages, it was number light, if you like, if you give and policy


things, but what now, post Brexit, can Ukip offer? Ukip are offering


almost nothing across the UK, even more heightened in Scotland where


they are hamstrung by a leader that is effectively a joke to Angela may


have seen a lot about the Ukip manifesto being launched on Twitter


today, but almost all of it will have been mockery. It has not been


taken seriously by anyone except for the three people who launched it, I


think. There is really no chance of any Ukip breakthrough. Everybody


knows they are entirely irrelevant to the political debate here, and I


don't think it will be going anywhere. OK. Thank you, all, for


joining us this evening. More from the campaign


trail coming up. But first, Anne Lundon has


the rest of today's news. The Scottish child abuse inquiry has


heard a succession of apologies, from a variety of organisations,


that provided residential care. Our reporter Morag Kinniburgh


was there as the public hearing phase of the investigation


got underway. in memory of victims of child abuse


who have died. Survivors want justice and action to protect


children now. I was ignored in 1998. Over the years, I met and heard of


many survivors who were the same. Once have changed. Scotland's


changed. Child abuse has changed. Reporting and recognising child


abuse has changed. I welcome you to the first day of phase one of our


public hearings. The enquiry has suffered a series of resignations


and criticism on the scope of its remit. Many children in Scotland


have, over the years, been abused whilst in residential care. They


suffered some terrible treatment, inflicted by those to whom their


care was entrusted. That is a matter of grave concern. So far, 69


institutions here have been investigated, from private boarding


schools and hospitals, to counsel, church and charity care homes. It is


thought thousands suffered abuse as well as neglect by those who were


meant to be looking after them. In the first public hearings, churches


and charities said sorry to children abused in their care. The Catholic


community in Scotland has an overwhelming sense of shame that


these abhorrent crimes occurred in the context of the church. And we


are doing our utmost to ensure these things cart occur again. Kate Waugh


seven when she was taken from Glasgow to Northern Ireland and was


abused. She has come back to testify. Most people have got a


right to justice. They need to have their voice heard. Don't be


frightened to come forward because it's a great feeling afterwards, the


feeling of peace within. Survivors are due to give evidence in the


months ahead, they are urging thousands more to break their


silence to help protect children in care now. Ukip has published its


Scottish general election manifesto. It says its priorities are to


encourage Scots to stay in Scotland, build their businesses and employ


their fellow Scots. The party is fielding ten candidates in Scotland.


The message is we want taxes now higher than the rest of the UK to


make sure we are competitive. We want to stay in the UK and get out


of the EU single market so we can make trade treaties with the world


so we can get more jobs because we can do business with the growing


areas of the world instead of having to refer to 27 other states and


creative treaty that doesn't suit us. Staying with the election


campaign and health think tank has warned that tens of thousands of UK


pensioners living abroad could come home for NHS treatment unless the


Brexit deal secures continued access to EU health care for expats. The


Nuffield trust says there are 190,000 UK pensioners living in


other EU countries. The UK Government contributes around ?500


million a year towards their health care costs. Nuffield estimates it


would cost the NHS another ?500 million to look after them if Brexit


forced them to return home. On the campaign trail and five, the SNP say


health care is a snapshot of Brexit problems to come. We have a


government that still can't answer basic questions on what they are


seeking to achieve in the law stations and how they're going to


help our public services -- negotiations. And our economy deal


with it implications. Liberal Democrats said if there is a bad


Brexit deal, voter should get the chance to rejected. There are no


easy fixes according to Labour's Scottish leader campaigning in


Glasgow. This is a sorry mess caused by the Tories's gabble on hard right


wing Brexit. If you vote for Labour you have a party focused on jobs,


investment in the economy up taking the NHS, that's the difference


between Labour and the Tories and that is the real choice in this


selection. An Angus, the Conservative leader insisted her


party is best placed to negotiate with the EU. This report shows we


have to get the Brexit deal right and the election will decide who sit


across the table from 27 other European countries to try to get


that good deal for Britain. Do you want it to be Theresa May Jeremy


Corbyn? Whoever ends up negotiating for UK's citizens living in the EU


will probably have to guarantee similar rights to those from EU


countries who choose to move to the UK. Time to speak to some


politicians in Edinburgh. We have Alex Cole Hamilton and Iain McGill.


With me in the studio is Patrick Grady from the SNP and Andy Hilland


for Scottish Labour. Good evening to you all and thank you for joining


us. What was behind Jeremy Corbyn's change of heart today over the BBC


TV debate. Was it a last-minute U-turn on a plan to put pressure on


Theresa May? Jeremy Corbyn didn't call this general election but I


think it's a challenge he is relishing. He attended to's debate


and Theresa May called the general election and is running away from


it. Labour is going from strength to strength and underlined Scotland's


candidates, it is only Labour candidates that can the Tories. Mr


copper face criticism yesterday for not knowing the cost of Labour's


pledge for free childcare -- Mr Corbyn. Do you know what the cost


is? It doesn't make him look disorganised, I actually think


Jeremy Corbyn has put forward a bold and radical manifesto. Should he not


know the numbers in his own manifesto? It interesting that


Theresa May gives figures mixed up and there is no highlighting of it.


Jeremy Corbyn has put forward a manifesto and the majority of people


in Scotland can unite behind it, it is investment in public services,


skills and the NHS and it addresses poverty which is at shocking levels.


Do you know what the childcare is? Not for England. ?2.7 billion. Iain


McGill of the Scottish Conservatives, is confidence in


Theresa May falling. Some of the polls suggest that there is? Polls


are often going to tighten up as elections come closer. In Scotland


the polls are tightening and it's within 10% of the SNP. Paul is


always tighten as elections come closer. We are very happy and


confident in Theresa May and the country that they will make the


choice whether they are confident in Theresa May to deliver the Brexit


deal the country needs on whether there was a coalition of case


wobbling with each other in this debate. Do you trust the coalition


of chaos to deliver a strong Brexit on Theresa May? Did that make


Theresa May look weak to not turn up? She has been up and down the


country, taking questions from the public, more so than Jeremy Corbyn,


question Time this week, the sky and Channel 4 debate. We don't need more


debates for the country to be deciding who they are going to vote


for. She would have a more access to people across the country by being


in that debate tonight than she did today. There have been debates, she


has done debate and we don't need more debates to see who the country


is going to be confident to deliver the Brexit negotiations. We will see


next week if they are confident in Theresa May or the rabble that was


on the debate tonight. But Scott Alex Cole Hamilton and pick up on


one bit in your manifesto which the clarification that you want a


referendum on the final terms of the Brexit deal that you continue to


oppose a Scottish independence referendum. Why has it changed, what


is the difference between the two just because you don't like the


answer to one of them? In 2014, the SNP provided detailed manifesto of


whatever is vision of independence looked like. The borders of Scotland


rejected that. On the 23rd of June last year we saw the Leave camp a


manifesto evaporate within hours. A pack of lies. The process started by


the British people can only be finished by the British people. We


want to give people the option that if it is a bad deal or no deal that


they can reject that than have the option to remain in the European


Union. There is nothing wrong with that. The changed circumstances this


column, why not an opportunity to vote once again on the different


circumstances, particularly when it's come from the Scottish


Parliament? The Scottish National Party set itself a very high bar and


said that actually it would bring forward a second independence


referendum. successive opinion polls say it is the last thing that people


want. That's the last thing we want to put Scotland through. The


Scottish Liberal Democrats are opposing another device of


independence referendum but we want to give people a say on the final


terms of the Brexit deal because we can't trust that throughout Tubau of


politicians. Patrick Grady for the SNP. Your manifesto yesterday stated


an easing of the timetable on the second vote. Nicola Sturgeon says it


won't happen until the end of the Brexit process. She didn't use those


words before, she talked about the date but not those words at the end


of the Brexit process. It's always good to be at the end of the Brexit


process. That was what Theresa May said the end of the Brexit process


would be. Once the Brexit process has come to an end on the terms of


the final Brexit settlement are known, it's only right that the


people of Scotland should have their say, that they should have a choice.


Every other Parliament in Europe will have a final say on the Brexit


deal, the House of Commons will have a final say, we think the people of


Scotland, who voted 62% to remain in the European Union should have


that say. Your manifesto says that winning at least 30 of Scotland 59


seats give this triple mandate that you talk about foreign independence


referendum. The popular vote in 2015 for the SNP was 50%, what if it


falls below that this time? In our system in this country, the party


with the most votes and the most seats are the winner of the election


and if the SNP wins the election and we are taking nothing for granted.


If we win the election next week, it gives us a mandate to take forward


proposals in our manifesto to stand up against Tory austerity and


against an extreme Tory Brexit and protect and strengthen the powers of


the Scottish Government. That's not a mandate.


Uefa south of the 50%. You haven't had the 50% mandate in the Scottish


parliament. Even with the combined force in the Scottish parliament you


haven't got the 50%. It's not a referendum the country once. Noises


from the Liberal Democrats, we saw from Angus Roberts, the SNP have


been the strong opposition to Tory austerity in the House of Commons.


What kind of mandate would be needed? The SNP began this general


election campaign saying it wasn't about independence at all but we saw


with the launch of the manifesto that there has been a U-turn and


they say if they gain a certain number of MPs that will be a mandate


for a referendum. I actually think that in this general election, the


voters in most consistencies across Scotland have a choice to vote for


the SNP and that will be a vote for another independence referendum. You


still oppose an indie referendum regardless? The Liberal Democrats


pretending to be the party of protecting the union. Jeremy Corbyn


said the first thing he would do as Prime Minister is speak to the First


Minister about another independence referendum. We are running right out


of time, thank you for joining us. Back tomorrow night at 10:30pm. From


all of us here, good night. Hello there, good evening, the last


day of the meteorological spring today and it was a cracker. Plenty


of sunshine and blue sky but tonight the cloud rolling in. It will stay


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