31/05/2017 Reporting Scotland


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champions his legacy hangs in the balance. Dan Rowan,

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On Election Reporting Scotland tonight:

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Going head to head just over a week before polling day,

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And the Scottish Lib Dems launch their manifesto,

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Just over a week to go until polling day and one of the biggest debates

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of the election campaign has just taken place.

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Theresa May refused to take part in the BBC debate,

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but Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn did decide to take part,

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announcing his decision earlier today.

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Lets go live to Cambridge and our Political Correspondent

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That's right. Good evening from the Senate house here in Cambridge where

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the debate has taken place just over an hour ago. 19 minutes of

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discussion in which the dynamics of the debate changed when Jeremy

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Corbyn announced at lunchtime today that he would, after all, take part

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in today's debate. Theresa May made it plain that she would not come,

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despite the fact that Jeremy Corbyn decided he would attend the debate.

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It meant that at times it was six against one, the opposition parties

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against the Conservatives, and making great play as to why Theresa

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May was not here. As you say, no Nicola Sturgeon either. The SNP was

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represented by Angus Robertson. Officials say he is the man that has

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been at Westminster and is used to dealing with the Westminster

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situation, and is used to challenging Westminster politicians.

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If Theresa May had decided to turn up, the SNP would have had a hard

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thing, and the possibility that Nicola Sturgeon would have taken

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part in tonight's debate. That did not happen. It was one of those

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debates where all of them will be quite happy with the way things

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went. They were able to get across the key points they wanted. There

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was no gaffe from any of the seven politicians, to cause problems, and

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with a week ago, they also to perhaps win over some of the

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undecided voters. It was fairly heated

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at moments, particularly on

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the subject of immigration? It was a very passionate 90 minutes.

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It was noisy, it was shouting at times. It seemed as though it was

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hard to control the politicians, because they were going at it hammer

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and tongs on a range of issues. But as you mentioned, immigration proved

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to be quite a passionate issue. In the Scottish context, no one seemed

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to disagree as far as Scotland was concerned, immigration and the

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number of people coming to Scotland were a problem. The argument was

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very much the reverse, that Scotland had been losing its population. It

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was said that immigration was not a problem in Scotland. The problem

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with Scotland was emigration. In other parts of the UK, a slightly

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different view on that one. Of all the subjects discussed tonight,

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social care, security matters, Brexit, immigration was one of the

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topics that raised the temperature. David, thank you so much.

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Now, the Scottish Lib Dems have launched their manifesto today,

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with leader Willie Rennie telling BBC Scotland that his party

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is set to make "great progress" in the election.

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Here's our political editor Brian Taylor.

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Scotland's capital, reefs in sunshine as if it weren't tough

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enough already to get people to focus on politics. But easing

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through the lunchtime crowds, Willie Rennie thinks he has found the

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formula. Picking apart his party's logo, he says the final Brexit deal

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must be put to another referendum. The option of staying in the EU. Is

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there another bit? But a second referendum on Scottish independence,

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it's a bird that won't fly. The SNP need to focus on the day job. That's

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why the Liberal Democrats are saying clearly, we are against a second

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divisive independence referendum, 4- stop. The

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MPs can't alter income tax, because that is devolved. Among other

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things, the Lib Dems would end the 1% pay cap, affecting public-sector

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employees. They would keep the triple lock on pensions, and provide

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guarantees to EU residents already in Scotland. Largely aimed at

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helping the universities. Post-oil, they would help the north-east

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economy to diversify. They paint a picture of a struggling economy,

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promising to boost growth, while eliminating the day-to-day deficit

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by 2020. They say they will make a positive case for immigration, but

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can they gain ground in Scotland? Lib Dems, it is a direct contest

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between us and the SNP. I know we are going to make great progress and

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grow in the election, because we are crucial to stopping that second

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divisive independence referendum before it even starts. But of

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course, the UK wide elections are fought street by street. Liberal

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Democrats hope that pavement politics will work for them once

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more. we've got the former

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Scottish Lib Dem policy convenor, Siobhan Mathers, Angela Haggerty,

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the editor of Common Space website; and the Political Editor

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of the Daily Record, David Clegg, Good evening to you all. Let's start

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off with the debate, because it is fresh this evening. What did you

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make of it, was it an easier watch than the ITV debate? At parts, the

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politicians were remarkably well-behaved. Something got the

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passions running, and it went back to talking over each other. But it

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was interesting, if you take away from it. Theresa May didn't come out

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of it looking very well. There was a question at the end about what each

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leader had in leadership qualities that should make them the Prime

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Minister. Of course, everybody took the opportunity to have a go at

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Theresa May for not turning up. That went on for minutes. Jeremy Corbyn,

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I think, it was a bit risky for him to turn up at the last minute,

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because there was a risk that the other party leaders might round up

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on him, but I think he dealt with that as well as he could have done.

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And I think, again, he seems to have, judging by social media at

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this stage, it seems to have gone down quite well. Another you got

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Paul has come out tonight, and it is putting the difference between the

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Tories and Labour at three points. The Jeremy Corbyn effect is what we

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are talking about, and we expect to be talking about Angus Robertson for

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the SNP. He is always competent and delivers well. Whether he will have

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the same impact as Nicola Sturgeon, I'm not quite sure. Sherborne, what

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did you make of Jeremy Corbyn's performance, given that it was a

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last-minute decision to join the debate? Jeremy Corbyn looks like he

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is having fun in this campaign. He is warming up, he has nothing to

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lose. He is entering into the spirit of it. That is really showing. The

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fact he is there, making an effort, it was basically him saying, "Where

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is Theresa May?" That went down very well, and it looked like he was

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enjoying it. It wasn't perfect, but not bad. David Clay, how much was

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Theresa May's absence and issue? It was referred to. It absolutely was.

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The most memorable moment of the debate didn't take place during the

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debate, it happened earlier when Theresa May was asked in an

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interview about it, and gave a pathetic answer about why she wasn't

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there because she was concentrating on Brexit. I think it undermined

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what is, after all, the central message of the Conservative

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campaign. Theresa May was not strong and stable enough to turn up at a TV

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debate. Jeremy Corbyn made the right position to capitalise on that. He

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has had the momentum in the last few days, the polls are narrowing will

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to turn up and take that home, the one disappointing thing for him may

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be, once he got onto the debate, he didn't make that much hay regarding

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Theresa May being there. I think it was Angus Robertson that made more

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of that. That go to the other story today, the Scottish Lib Dems

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launching their manifesto. They, like the UK wide party, would put a

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penny on income tax. Here, that would be used for mental health and

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education. Down south, it will beat NHS and social care, why the

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difference? The Lib Dems have always had the capacity to make policy

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separately, and we are quite proud of that. It is where the greatest

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need is. Up in Scotland, the priorities we have our education, it

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is dropping down the rankings. That is what we hear on the doorsteps.

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And mental health is shocking. There is a real opportunity to make a

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difference in Scotland. So that is why. What did you make of the

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Scottish Lib Dem manifesto? Actually, I was quite surprised

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about how it really struggle to break through. Again, judging by

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social media, at manifesto launches, they picked up traction, and I saw a

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bit more about the Scottish Ukip manifesto launch, than the Scottish

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Lib Dem one. It reflects how the Lib Dems, much like Scottish Labour, are

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struggling still to find where they fit within the constitutional

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debate, and that is the thing dominating the general election in

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Scotland. It is tricky for Willie Rennie as well, because he is

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backing this manifesto, and a referendum on Brexit terms, but they

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are mentally opposed to a second Scottish independence referendum. It

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is a conflict for the Lib Dems that they will have to keep explaining.

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Willie Rennie will find it quite tricky. Onto the Ukip manifesto,

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which was also launched today in Scotland, what did you make of... It

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was 32 pages, it was number light, if you like, if you give and policy

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things, but what now, post Brexit, can Ukip offer? Ukip are offering

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almost nothing across the UK, even more heightened in Scotland where

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they are hamstrung by a leader that is effectively a joke to Angela may

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have seen a lot about the Ukip manifesto being launched on Twitter

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today, but almost all of it will have been mockery. It has not been

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taken seriously by anyone except for the three people who launched it, I

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think. There is really no chance of any Ukip breakthrough. Everybody

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knows they are entirely irrelevant to the political debate here, and I

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don't think it will be going anywhere. OK. Thank you, all, for

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joining us this evening. More from the campaign

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trail coming up. But first, Anne Lundon has

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the rest of today's news. The Scottish child abuse inquiry has

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heard a succession of apologies, from a variety of organisations,

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that provided residential care. Our reporter Morag Kinniburgh

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was there as the public hearing phase of the investigation

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got underway. in memory of victims of child abuse

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who have died. Survivors want justice and action to protect

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children now. I was ignored in 1998. Over the years, I met and heard of

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many survivors who were the same. Once have changed. Scotland's

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changed. Child abuse has changed. Reporting and recognising child

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abuse has changed. I welcome you to the first day of phase one of our

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public hearings. The enquiry has suffered a series of resignations

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and criticism on the scope of its remit. Many children in Scotland

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have, over the years, been abused whilst in residential care. They

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suffered some terrible treatment, inflicted by those to whom their

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care was entrusted. That is a matter of grave concern. So far, 69

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institutions here have been investigated, from private boarding

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schools and hospitals, to counsel, church and charity care homes. It is

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thought thousands suffered abuse as well as neglect by those who were

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meant to be looking after them. In the first public hearings, churches

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and charities said sorry to children abused in their care. The Catholic

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community in Scotland has an overwhelming sense of shame that

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these abhorrent crimes occurred in the context of the church. And we

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are doing our utmost to ensure these things cart occur again. Kate Waugh

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seven when she was taken from Glasgow to Northern Ireland and was

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abused. She has come back to testify. Most people have got a

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right to justice. They need to have their voice heard. Don't be

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frightened to come forward because it's a great feeling afterwards, the

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feeling of peace within. Survivors are due to give evidence in the

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months ahead, they are urging thousands more to break their

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silence to help protect children in care now. Ukip has published its

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Scottish general election manifesto. It says its priorities are to

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encourage Scots to stay in Scotland, build their businesses and employ

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their fellow Scots. The party is fielding ten candidates in Scotland.

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The message is we want taxes now higher than the rest of the UK to

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make sure we are competitive. We want to stay in the UK and get out

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of the EU single market so we can make trade treaties with the world

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so we can get more jobs because we can do business with the growing

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areas of the world instead of having to refer to 27 other states and

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creative treaty that doesn't suit us. Staying with the election

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campaign and health think tank has warned that tens of thousands of UK

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pensioners living abroad could come home for NHS treatment unless the

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Brexit deal secures continued access to EU health care for expats. The

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Nuffield trust says there are 190,000 UK pensioners living in

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other EU countries. The UK Government contributes around ?500

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million a year towards their health care costs. Nuffield estimates it

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would cost the NHS another ?500 million to look after them if Brexit

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forced them to return home. On the campaign trail and five, the SNP say

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health care is a snapshot of Brexit problems to come. We have a

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government that still can't answer basic questions on what they are

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seeking to achieve in the law stations and how they're going to

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help our public services -- negotiations. And our economy deal

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with it implications. Liberal Democrats said if there is a bad

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Brexit deal, voter should get the chance to rejected. There are no

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easy fixes according to Labour's Scottish leader campaigning in

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Glasgow. This is a sorry mess caused by the Tories's gabble on hard right

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wing Brexit. If you vote for Labour you have a party focused on jobs,

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investment in the economy up taking the NHS, that's the difference

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between Labour and the Tories and that is the real choice in this

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selection. An Angus, the Conservative leader insisted her

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party is best placed to negotiate with the EU. This report shows we

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have to get the Brexit deal right and the election will decide who sit

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across the table from 27 other European countries to try to get

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that good deal for Britain. Do you want it to be Theresa May Jeremy

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Corbyn? Whoever ends up negotiating for UK's citizens living in the EU

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will probably have to guarantee similar rights to those from EU

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countries who choose to move to the UK. Time to speak to some

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politicians in Edinburgh. We have Alex Cole Hamilton and Iain McGill.

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With me in the studio is Patrick Grady from the SNP and Andy Hilland

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for Scottish Labour. Good evening to you all and thank you for joining

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us. What was behind Jeremy Corbyn's change of heart today over the BBC

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TV debate. Was it a last-minute U-turn on a plan to put pressure on

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Theresa May? Jeremy Corbyn didn't call this general election but I

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think it's a challenge he is relishing. He attended to's debate

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and Theresa May called the general election and is running away from

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it. Labour is going from strength to strength and underlined Scotland's

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candidates, it is only Labour candidates that can the Tories. Mr

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copper face criticism yesterday for not knowing the cost of Labour's

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pledge for free childcare -- Mr Corbyn. Do you know what the cost

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is? It doesn't make him look disorganised, I actually think

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Jeremy Corbyn has put forward a bold and radical manifesto. Should he not

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know the numbers in his own manifesto? It interesting that

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Theresa May gives figures mixed up and there is no highlighting of it.

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Jeremy Corbyn has put forward a manifesto and the majority of people

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in Scotland can unite behind it, it is investment in public services,

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skills and the NHS and it addresses poverty which is at shocking levels.

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Do you know what the childcare is? Not for England. ?2.7 billion. Iain

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McGill of the Scottish Conservatives, is confidence in

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Theresa May falling. Some of the polls suggest that there is? Polls

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are often going to tighten up as elections come closer. In Scotland

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the polls are tightening and it's within 10% of the SNP. Paul is

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always tighten as elections come closer. We are very happy and

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confident in Theresa May and the country that they will make the

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choice whether they are confident in Theresa May to deliver the Brexit

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deal the country needs on whether there was a coalition of case

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wobbling with each other in this debate. Do you trust the coalition

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of chaos to deliver a strong Brexit on Theresa May? Did that make

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Theresa May look weak to not turn up? She has been up and down the

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country, taking questions from the public, more so than Jeremy Corbyn,

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question Time this week, the sky and Channel 4 debate. We don't need more

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debates for the country to be deciding who they are going to vote

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for. She would have a more access to people across the country by being

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in that debate tonight than she did today. There have been debates, she

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has done debate and we don't need more debates to see who the country

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is going to be confident to deliver the Brexit negotiations. We will see

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next week if they are confident in Theresa May or the rabble that was

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on the debate tonight. But Scott Alex Cole Hamilton and pick up on

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one bit in your manifesto which the clarification that you want a

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referendum on the final terms of the Brexit deal that you continue to

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oppose a Scottish independence referendum. Why has it changed, what

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is the difference between the two just because you don't like the

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answer to one of them? In 2014, the SNP provided detailed manifesto of

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whatever is vision of independence looked like. The borders of Scotland

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rejected that. On the 23rd of June last year we saw the Leave camp a

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manifesto evaporate within hours. A pack of lies. The process started by

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the British people can only be finished by the British people. We

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want to give people the option that if it is a bad deal or no deal that

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they can reject that than have the option to remain in the European

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Union. There is nothing wrong with that. The changed circumstances this

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column, why not an opportunity to vote once again on the different

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circumstances, particularly when it's come from the Scottish

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Parliament? The Scottish National Party set itself a very high bar and

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said that actually it would bring forward a second independence

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referendum. successive opinion polls say it is the last thing that people

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want. That's the last thing we want to put Scotland through. The

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Scottish Liberal Democrats are opposing another device of

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independence referendum but we want to give people a say on the final

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terms of the Brexit deal because we can't trust that throughout Tubau of

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politicians. Patrick Grady for the SNP. Your manifesto yesterday stated

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an easing of the timetable on the second vote. Nicola Sturgeon says it

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won't happen until the end of the Brexit process. She didn't use those

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words before, she talked about the date but not those words at the end

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of the Brexit process. It's always good to be at the end of the Brexit

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process. That was what Theresa May said the end of the Brexit process

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would be. Once the Brexit process has come to an end on the terms of

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the final Brexit settlement are known, it's only right that the

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people of Scotland should have their say, that they should have a choice.

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Every other Parliament in Europe will have a final say on the Brexit

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deal, the House of Commons will have a final say, we think the people of

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Scotland, who voted 62% to remain in the European Union should have

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that say. Your manifesto says that winning at least 30 of Scotland 59

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seats give this triple mandate that you talk about foreign independence

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referendum. The popular vote in 2015 for the SNP was 50%, what if it

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falls below that this time? In our system in this country, the party

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with the most votes and the most seats are the winner of the election

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and if the SNP wins the election and we are taking nothing for granted.

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If we win the election next week, it gives us a mandate to take forward

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proposals in our manifesto to stand up against Tory austerity and

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against an extreme Tory Brexit and protect and strengthen the powers of

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the Scottish Government. That's not a mandate.

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Uefa south of the 50%. You haven't had the 50% mandate in the Scottish

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parliament. Even with the combined force in the Scottish parliament you

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haven't got the 50%. It's not a referendum the country once. Noises

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from the Liberal Democrats, we saw from Angus Roberts, the SNP have

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been the strong opposition to Tory austerity in the House of Commons.

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What kind of mandate would be needed? The SNP began this general

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election campaign saying it wasn't about independence at all but we saw

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with the launch of the manifesto that there has been a U-turn and

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they say if they gain a certain number of MPs that will be a mandate

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for a referendum. I actually think that in this general election, the

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voters in most consistencies across Scotland have a choice to vote for

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the SNP and that will be a vote for another independence referendum. You

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still oppose an indie referendum regardless? The Liberal Democrats

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pretending to be the party of protecting the union. Jeremy Corbyn

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said the first thing he would do as Prime Minister is speak to the First

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Minister about another independence referendum. We are running right out

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of time, thank you for joining us. Back tomorrow night at 10:30pm. From

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all of us here, good night. Hello there, good evening, the last

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day of the meteorological spring today and it was a cracker. Plenty

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of sunshine and blue sky but tonight the cloud rolling in. It will stay

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