30/05/2017 Reporting Scotland


30/05/2017

Extended edition of Scotland's national news programme, rounding up the latest from the election campaign trail. With studio guests and analysis.


Similar Content

Browse content similar to 30/05/2017. Check below for episodes and series from the same categories and more!

Transcript


LineFromTo

Here, on BBC One, it's time for the news where you are.

:00:00.:00:00.

Good evening, on Election Reporting Scotland tonight...

:00:00.:00:07.

The SNP launch their manifesto, with the promise of an independence

:00:08.:00:10.

referendum at the end of the Brexit process.

:00:11.:00:15.

But where does Scottish Labour stand on the vote, and are Kezia Dugdale

:00:16.:00:19.

and Jeremy Corbyn at odds over the issue?

:00:20.:00:46.

Just nine more sleeps to polling day, and the final

:00:47.:00:48.

manifestos are being launched, drawing the battle lines

:00:49.:00:50.

Today it was the SNP's turn to lay out their programme for government.

:00:51.:00:55.

Our political editor Brian Taylor reports.

:00:56.:00:59.

Welcome to the manifesto launch of the real opposition.

:01:00.:01:07.

Angus Robertson set the tone before the main event.

:01:08.:01:10.

An intro, perhaps a little bit too much for some.

:01:11.:01:29.

Nicola Sturgeon has three key aims, to gain a place of the Brexit

:01:30.:01:35.

negotiation, hold an independence referendum...

:01:36.:01:37.

With their true colours being exposed in this

:01:38.:01:39.

campaign, we have a real chance to keep them in check.

:01:40.:01:43.

The SNP cannot form the UK Government but

:01:44.:01:50.

Nicola Sturgeon says SNP MPs have a proud record

:01:51.:01:52.

Moving ahead she told activists, the party would tackle

:01:53.:01:57.

poverty through a ?10 an hour minimum wage and thwarting benefit

:01:58.:01:59.

The SNP has called to stand up for Scottish interests.

:02:00.:02:09.

They back an extra ?118 billion and they were funded

:02:10.:02:16.

by prolonging borrowing beyond Conservative levels.

:02:17.:02:22.

They back a 50p top tax rate as the UK as a whole.

:02:23.:02:29.

In Scotland, tax payers might be able to avoid

:02:30.:02:32.

it, thus cutting the Scottish budget and they back full

:02:33.:02:34.

control of welfare to be devolved to Holyrood.

:02:35.:02:38.

They say they are opposed to what they regard as unfair Tory

:02:39.:02:41.

For older people, that means fighting against Conservative

:02:42.:02:48.

plans which means conservative constraint and pension pledges.

:02:49.:02:51.

The Tory manifesto is nothing short of

:02:52.:02:53.

an assault on pensioners, from the dementia

:02:54.:02:56.

the winter fuel allowance and the ending of the triple lock.

:02:57.:03:06.

The SNP wants an extra ?11 billion spent in

:03:07.:03:09.

England matching the Scottish budget.

:03:10.:03:12.

Scotland will get a share of the cash and they dropped the 1% pay

:03:13.:03:16.

cap for nurses while still insisting on an affordable deal.

:03:17.:03:20.

Nicola Sturgeon controls devolved services

:03:21.:03:24.

and she backs higher allowances for company investment and reduce

:03:25.:03:28.

national insurance for firms taking on new employees.

:03:29.:03:32.

Nicola Sturgeon wants a second referendum once the details of

:03:33.:03:40.

Having won the election last year and got a vote in

:03:41.:03:49.

the Scottish Parliament for the Tories to stand in the wake of

:03:50.:03:53.

That is what they're doing, standing in the way

:03:54.:03:59.

Straight to head out to canvass votes and with just over a

:04:00.:04:03.

week to go, there is no time to waste.

:04:04.:04:07.

Let's discuss that and other things with our panel of top pundits,

:04:08.:04:12.

Jenni Davidson from Holyrood Magazine

:04:13.:04:17.

and Stephen Daisley from the Daily Mail.

:04:18.:04:27.

Welcome to you all. Stephen, the SNP are obsessed with independents and

:04:28.:04:34.

it is number ten in their list of ten key pledges here. Should it have

:04:35.:04:40.

been more prominent? I don't think so. Looking back to the local

:04:41.:04:44.

election campaign, the opposition parties have made the obsession with

:04:45.:04:51.

independents bad driving motivation. It is right the SNP are focusing on

:04:52.:04:55.

other means of bringing round the changes they can see. It is very far

:04:56.:05:05.

down the list. We did have a referendum and they voted, no. It

:05:06.:05:13.

makes us wanting to put forward a list of things they can do within

:05:14.:05:17.

that framework where at the end still putting forward a proposal for

:05:18.:05:23.

an independent referendum moving forward. Back in 2015, the fight was

:05:24.:05:28.

with Labour and now it is about the Tories. On the process of where we

:05:29.:05:31.

are, is that the right way for the are, is that the right way for the

:05:32.:05:35.

-- right way for the Conservatives and the SNP? The point of

:05:36.:05:41.

independence being ten out of ten on a manifesto, that isn't the figure

:05:42.:05:46.

we want to focus on. The Nicola Sturgeon, it is the number-1 point

:05:47.:05:51.

and that is why the Conservatives are pushing an anti-independence

:05:52.:05:57.

message in this election. It is not more important than the manifesto.

:05:58.:06:03.

The manifesto is wanting to hold onto grass roots. We will walk over

:06:04.:06:12.

hot coals to vote SNP. Holding onto seats like Perthshire, Edinburgh

:06:13.:06:17.

South West, where there is a strong no vote in 2014. Like any manifesto,

:06:18.:06:25.

they are trying to finesse these things. That key thing in the

:06:26.:06:29.

manifesto was a vote for the SNP will strengthen the right of the

:06:30.:06:32.

Scottish Parliament to decide when a Scottish referendum is held. There

:06:33.:06:40.

was a vote on mat recently and if the SNP had gone to sway, we would

:06:41.:06:46.

be on our way to a second referendum already. The Conservatives are the

:06:47.:06:57.

party. Labour has been sidelined and we will see how that works out with

:06:58.:07:00.

this apparent surge that Jeremy Corbyn has seen south of the border.

:07:01.:07:08.

This is a yes versus no election. Jenni is with me. The SNP want to

:07:09.:07:14.

hold the Tories to account and stop them having a free rein when it

:07:15.:07:19.

comes to austerity. The SNP can only win 59 seats. How will that work?

:07:20.:07:26.

They have 2% themselves as useful and it is interesting that manifesto

:07:27.:07:30.

starts with points about different campaigns that SNP MPs have been

:07:31.:07:37.

getting on with. Campaign against violence against women, Alison

:07:38.:07:49.

voting against the rape clause, the issue of the Scottish tax havens.

:07:50.:07:56.

Better track record so far. It is showing they are getting on with

:07:57.:07:59.

their day job and they are working on things and can make a difference.

:08:00.:08:05.

There are precisely back to reason may has made U-turns and they can

:08:06.:08:12.

push form more nudes -- more U-turns. Angus Robertson, they have

:08:13.:08:20.

a lot of tweets in the manifesto of different people including people

:08:21.:08:23.

who are not journalists who want keeping the SNP praising the words

:08:24.:08:31.

of Angus Robertson. It is pushing this. We are not going to Govan and

:08:32.:08:37.

Nicola Sturgeon isn't going to be a Prime Minister but we can get the

:08:38.:08:41.

job done and be effective. Stephen we have seen a lot of Jeremy Corbyn.

:08:42.:08:47.

Free childcare for over a million children will be affected. He was

:08:48.:08:51.

unable to see how much it would cost. Does that matter at this stage

:08:52.:08:57.

in an election campaign? I don't think it does. We should be looking

:08:58.:09:02.

at the policy and whether or not is cost. The narrative of focusing on

:09:03.:09:08.

whether he made a gaffe here or there is coming off the back of the

:09:09.:09:12.

Conservative Party's concept of strong and stable leadership. It is

:09:13.:09:18.

promoting that Jeremy Corbyn is not competent. Nationalising the

:09:19.:09:23.

railways is incredibly popular and it is wanting to make him seem

:09:24.:09:31.

incompetent. That number does exist. You mentioned this earlier run,

:09:32.:09:36.

Stephen. Was the advice that we would warm more to Jeremy Corbyn the

:09:37.:09:41.

more we saw of him? One thing about Jeremy Corbyn, I am not a fan of his

:09:42.:09:49.

mother if you caught him on The One Show early on when he was talking

:09:50.:09:55.

about his favourite manhole covers, that is a good example of Jeremy

:09:56.:10:01.

Corbyn seeming human. People don't take a lot of interest in politics

:10:02.:10:08.

and Sam Maher taking it up for the first time. He seems like an OK

:10:09.:10:13.

person. The day -- day after day, there are more revelations coming

:10:14.:10:18.

about his past associations, the IRA, sharing a platform with his

:10:19.:10:24.

friends from Hamas and Hezbollah and people will look at that and think,

:10:25.:10:29.

what is wrong with this man? Thank you very much indeed for your time

:10:30.:10:31.

this evening. More from the campaign

:10:32.:10:33.

trail coming up. But first, Sally McNair has

:10:34.:10:35.

the rest of the day's news. The other parties have been

:10:36.:10:37.

focusing their attention on the SNP's plans for

:10:38.:10:41.

a second independence referendum. But there is continuing confusion

:10:42.:10:43.

over Labour's position. Labour's UK leader, Jeremy Corbyn,

:10:44.:10:45.

has said that he would allow one to be held

:10:46.:10:48.

if the Scottish Parliament His comments appeared to put him

:10:49.:10:51.

at odds with Labour's Scottish leader, Kezia Dugdale,

:10:52.:10:56.

who last week offered a "cast iron" guarantee that Labour would oppose

:10:57.:10:58.

a second independence referendum. Two leaders of the same party,

:10:59.:11:03.

both of them concentrating But do they see eye-to-eye

:11:04.:11:08.

on the SNP's call for a second If the Scottish Parliament

:11:09.:11:14.

and the Scottish people want a referendum, they have a right,

:11:15.:11:19.

that was the whole point of the devolution

:11:20.:11:22.

agreements in the 1990s. I think any referendum should take

:11:23.:11:28.

place, if there is to be one, But the Labour manifesto opposes

:11:29.:11:31.

a second referendum. It doesn't sound like the cast-iron

:11:32.:11:58.

guarantee. It is in the UK wide manifesto. Unnecessary and unwanted.

:11:59.:12:02.

It is not the made up view of the Labour Party.

:12:03.:12:05.

If there is a perception that Labour is sending mixed messages,

:12:06.:12:08.

that is something that opponents can only raise a glass to.

:12:09.:12:11.

I think Jeremy Corbyn has sold the jersey and independence.

:12:12.:12:13.

He says he wants discussions with the SNP about allowing

:12:14.:12:15.

He said it was fine if Scotland wanted one.

:12:16.:12:21.

The Scottish people will stand against Nicola Sturgeon and we can

:12:22.:12:30.

send Nicola Sturgeon a message, that Scotland doesn't want

:12:31.:12:32.

The Prime Minister insists now is not the time.

:12:33.:12:44.

The Scottish Liberal Democrat leader, campaigning today,

:12:45.:12:47.

wants voters to get behind his team and accuse the SNP of using

:12:48.:12:50.

They hardly mentioned independence at all,

:12:51.:12:58.

but we know as soon as the election is over,

:12:59.:13:01.

that is all they will bang on about for the next few years.

:13:02.:13:07.

They did that after the last election and the one

:13:08.:13:10.

It is because they always put independence first,

:13:11.:13:13.

rather than sorting out issues like the education system

:13:14.:13:15.

There is still eight days of this competition to go before voters

:13:16.:13:21.

decide which political direction they will take.

:13:22.:13:27.

Thousands of female workers at Scotland's largest council have

:13:28.:13:29.

The Court of Session has ruled that women in Glasgow have been excluded

:13:30.:13:35.

Around 6000 are understood to be affected, with many claims

:13:36.:13:40.

It's still unclear what the scale of the pay-outs will be.

:13:41.:13:47.

This is going to run into tens of millions of pounds.

:13:48.:13:49.

Upper estimate, 100 million, somewhere in the middle,

:13:50.:13:51.

?50 million will be paid out to women across Glasgow.

:13:52.:13:55.

The women will have to wait some time to get this money

:13:56.:14:02.

and of course, tragically, a number of women

:14:03.:14:04.

since we started these cases because of the messing about

:14:05.:14:08.

by Glasgow City Council, women have died before they have

:14:09.:14:12.

But for those who are still here, they will get substantial pay-outs.

:14:13.:14:20.

The Western Isles Council has thanked the people of Manchester

:14:21.:14:22.

for their actions to help two girls and their families from Barra,

:14:23.:14:25.

14-year-old Eilidh MacLeod died, her friend Laura MacIntyre,

:14:26.:14:30.

who's 15, was badly injured in the Manchester Arena bombing.

:14:31.:14:36.

Time now to talk about the day's events with our

:14:37.:14:43.

Tonight in Aberdeen, we have Callum McCaig from the SNP,

:14:44.:14:47.

in Edinburgh, we have the Scottish Conservative MEP Ian Duncan

:14:48.:14:50.

and the Scottish Lib Dem MSP Liam McArthur, and here in Glasgow

:14:51.:14:54.

is Martin McCluskey from Scottish Labour.

:14:55.:14:59.

Thank you all for joining me here this evening. Callum McCaig, in the

:15:00.:15:07.

first five pages of the manifesto, you mention the Tories five times.

:15:08.:15:14.

You imagine independence once. Is that because you think people are

:15:15.:15:18.

sick and tired of hearing about it? Well if they have been watching this

:15:19.:15:21.

programme I think they might just be! But I am pleased to be standing

:15:22.:15:25.

on the manifesto that monster and austerity and wants to invest in

:15:26.:15:30.

public services and protect people's jobs and pensions. I do not think it

:15:31.:15:33.

is a Westminster to decide whether or not Scotland you have an

:15:34.:15:36.

independence referendum. I think it is the people of Scotland who should

:15:37.:15:40.

have that choice and we had that in the last Scottish elections for the

:15:41.:15:45.

Scottish..., the SNP were elected comfortably with that mandate in

:15:46.:15:48.

precisely the circumstances we find ourselves in and let us not forget

:15:49.:15:52.

that Scotland is being removed from the EU against the express will of

:15:53.:15:56.

the people of Scotland. But this is not an election of -- about

:15:57.:16:01.

independence, as you see it? Two years ago, the S one 36 to 59

:16:02.:16:07.

seats, we didn't become independent. We could win the seats and we would

:16:08.:16:11.

not become independent. We will become independent as among the

:16:12.:16:14.

people of Scotland vote for that to happen. I think that should happen

:16:15.:16:18.

as a result of the mandate that has been given to the Scottish... And

:16:19.:16:21.

endorsed by the Scottish Parliament and I do question how anyone who can

:16:22.:16:28.

claim to be a Democrat thinks it is OK for the Scottish Parliament, the

:16:29.:16:32.

democratically elected body representing Scotland, to be

:16:33.:16:36.

overruled by a party that has roughly 40% of the vote. So you say

:16:37.:16:41.

a vote for the SNP will reaffirm the right of the Scottish Parliament to

:16:42.:16:43.

demand when a referendum should happen. Last time you got 50% share

:16:44.:16:49.

of the vote, if you get less than that, surely that gives you less of

:16:50.:16:53.

a right to demand when a referendum should happen? As you have said,

:16:54.:16:57.

talking about reaffirming, so the mandate comes from the Scottish

:16:58.:17:03.

Parliament elections, it is about a principle here, I happen to think

:17:04.:17:07.

and the SNP happen to think that it is the people of Scotland through

:17:08.:17:09.

the Scottish Parliament that have the right to decide on our

:17:10.:17:16.

constitutional future. Some folk have said Scotland should know its

:17:17.:17:20.

place, but it should be told we are not planning to do that but I think

:17:21.:17:25.

we have grown up as a country and as a democracy and I think it is

:17:26.:17:27.

perfectly legitimate for our party to go into this saying, we will

:17:28.:17:32.

endorse the mandate we have already had. Martin, Jeremy Corbyn has said

:17:33.:17:38.

again today there should be a second referendum if the Scottish Farmer

:17:39.:17:42.

wants one. Yet again he seems to be at odds with Kezia Dugdale who says

:17:43.:17:46.

they should not be won. Is right? There is no division here at all.

:17:47.:17:50.

Both Jeremy Corbyn and Kezia Dugdale are standing on a manifesto that

:17:51.:17:54.

says we oppose a second independence referendum and why do we oppose it?

:17:55.:17:58.

Just as Jeremy has said time and time and time again, it would lead

:17:59.:18:05.

to austerity, affecting our public services, schools, hospitals, ?15

:18:06.:18:11.

billion worth of cuts. But he said he would not stand in the way of a

:18:12.:18:16.

second independence referendum. Both Kezia Dugdale and Jeremy Corbyn are

:18:17.:18:19.

opposed to a second independence referendum. That is for the reasons

:18:20.:18:23.

that it would hate working people across Scotland and it is not

:18:24.:18:27.

something we are going into this election supporting. Ian Duncan from

:18:28.:18:31.

the Scottish Conservatives, news just in, Ayew guff poll out suggests

:18:32.:18:39.

your lead has struck to five points. -- a U guff poll. That would leave

:18:40.:18:43.

you about 16 seats short of an overall majority. This election

:18:44.:18:47.

could turn out to be a massive, massive misjudgement. There is only

:18:48.:18:51.

one poll that matters, that is the one on the 8th of June. I suspect we

:18:52.:18:57.

will see a significant movement in our polling again because of the

:18:58.:19:00.

things we are saying day in, day out. So you are not worried about

:19:01.:19:06.

that at all? I think it will sharpen people's mines, who do you want as

:19:07.:19:11.

Prime Minister, Jeremy Corbyn and all the paraphernalia and nonsense

:19:12.:19:14.

he brings, or risk-mac that is the choice. You will not get Nicola

:19:15.:19:23.

Sturgeon or Tim Farron. If independence is so unpopular, in

:19:24.:19:27.

Scotland, as you say and Jeremy Corbyn is such a terrible leader,

:19:28.:19:32.

why are you going down in the polls? Crewe I don't think we are at all,

:19:33.:19:37.

in fact if you look at it, I am sure there is a narrowing. The SNP itself

:19:38.:19:42.

has fallen, we see it having almost awards for 2% and we Conservative

:19:43.:19:48.

Party grown to almost 30%. It is a fall in the SNP support and a growth

:19:49.:19:51.

in the Conservative support. Liam McArthur, last week Willie Rennie --

:19:52.:19:56.

accused the SNP are being obsessed with independence. He said they must

:19:57.:20:00.

then we are stupid because they barely mention independence in the

:20:01.:20:02.

manifesto. It looks like your other party obsessed with independence. We

:20:03.:20:07.

started up the campaign Nicola Sturgeon assuring the voters this

:20:08.:20:12.

election was not about independence while her predecessor was busy

:20:13.:20:15.

telling people it absolutely was. We have seen a pattern of behaviour

:20:16.:20:20.

over successive elections, whether in Europe, Westminster or Hollywood,

:20:21.:20:24.

that in the run-up to polling day, the SNP tried to show everyone it is

:20:25.:20:28.

not about to vote for independence, then as soon as the votes are cast,

:20:29.:20:33.

it is absolutely about a mandate for in this case a second in divisive

:20:34.:20:39.

independence referendum. So they have previous on this and that is a

:20:40.:20:43.

very valid point that Willie Rennie has been pointing out. But for the

:20:44.:20:48.

Lib Dems, this is an election about independence in Scotland? Well, as I

:20:49.:20:53.

say, the SNP have got previous on this. Given the Parliamentary

:20:54.:21:01.

arithmetic, the fact the SNP at 56 out of 59 seats, it is clearly a

:21:02.:21:07.

choice between the SNP and those such as ourselves, who are opposed

:21:08.:21:12.

to any divisive independence referendum. I think that is the

:21:13.:21:15.

majority view from voters across Scotland, including many who voted

:21:16.:21:23.

in the first referendum. I do not detect the appetite to go through

:21:24.:21:26.

that once again. That is why he think you're seeing a bit of a

:21:27.:21:30.

rearguard action being fought by the SNP. Martin, the polls seem to be

:21:31.:21:35.

moving back in your paper tonight with this one especially, can you

:21:36.:21:37.

still close the gap further with nine days to go? I think they can, I

:21:38.:21:42.

think the momentum is with the Labour Party in this election. When

:21:43.:21:47.

you look at the SNP manifesto, beware of nationalists with empty

:21:48.:21:51.

promises that is what we saw from the SNP today. Thank you all very

:21:52.:21:52.

much for your time. It's been a roller-coaster

:21:53.:21:54.

24 hours for Jeremy Corbyn. Even Nigel Farage tweeted to say

:21:55.:21:56.

the Labour leader had done well in last night's TV debate, but then

:21:57.:21:59.

came a difficult radio interview this morning when Mr Corbyn

:22:00.:22:01.

didn't seem to know the cost So it was everything to play

:22:02.:22:04.

for earlier this evening when it was his turn to sit

:22:05.:22:07.

on the famous One Show sofa. Boys and girls jobs, do you have

:22:08.:22:25.

that in your own house? No. Some people say that you haven't

:22:26.:22:28.

necessarily always gone out of your way to be a Prime Minister, you are

:22:29.:22:31.

more of an activist. Is there a difference? I have been active in

:22:32.:22:36.

politics, human rights and many things my life. Did I ever set out

:22:37.:22:40.

in life to become Prime Minister? No. I set out in life to try and

:22:41.:22:45.

change things and try and bring about greater justice in our

:22:46.:22:49.

society. Moving onto our first film, it is all about a banker. But with a

:22:50.:23:00.

difference. That was my grandad, born in Lowestoft, moved to

:23:01.:23:02.

Sunderland and eventually to London. He was a solicitor in healing and he

:23:03.:23:08.

was known as the poor man's lawyer. I learned quite a bit from him. I

:23:09.:23:15.

would like to present The One Show with a jar of my jam. Very kind of

:23:16.:23:19.

you! 90 very much for your time and your jam today! Thank you very much.

:23:20.:23:22.

Earlier, I spoke to entertainment critic Siobhan Synott.

:23:23.:23:28.

It has been an eventful 24 hours per Jeremy Corbyn. He went off rather

:23:29.:23:35.

well at the Channel 4 debate, did less well on woman's hour, where he

:23:36.:23:39.

managed to mess up the childcare policy figures, the main aim, I

:23:40.:23:47.

think, was to get across his message of being a warm, intelligent, the

:23:48.:23:50.

kind of person you could vote for without leaving one of those tricky

:23:51.:23:54.

mistakes that follow you around on social media for the next three or

:23:55.:23:58.

four days. And did he do that? How did he converted Theresa May? He was

:23:59.:24:03.

a lot more relaxed than Theresa May. But guinea pigs on a Peruvian

:24:04.:24:09.

barbecue are more relaxed than that. He came across as sporty, he looked

:24:10.:24:15.

good, he seemed very relaxed, perhaps a little bit dull, I mean

:24:16.:24:21.

quite a lot! His advisers have always said people would warm to him

:24:22.:24:25.

the more they saw him. I think he reaches out to the community that he

:24:26.:24:30.

really speaks to but I'm not sure if anyone else will rarely find

:24:31.:24:34.

themselves charmed by him on The One Show. What we learned about him, few

:24:35.:24:38.

details of his family, his grandfather used to be known as the

:24:39.:24:45.

poor man's lawyer, but nevertheless, it is good to see that he has family

:24:46.:24:49.

ties and that he is very fond of them, we learned more about his

:24:50.:24:53.

allotment and me he gave away a pot of jam. One pot between an entire

:24:54.:25:00.

studio! One standout moment for you? What did you learn you didn't know

:25:01.:25:04.

before about him? He knows a lot about drain covers. He certainly

:25:05.:25:09.

knows his drains. I am not sure if Trainspotting is the way we want to

:25:10.:25:13.

go as the future Prime Minister, but that is what we're looking for, he

:25:14.:25:16.

has that. -- train spotting. And that's Election

:25:17.:25:18.

Reporting Scotland. Tomorrow on the campaign trail,

:25:19.:25:19.

the Scottish Lib Dems and Ukip Scotland launch

:25:20.:25:21.

their manifestos, plus there's So, join us again tomorrow

:25:22.:25:23.

night at 10:30 Good evening. It has been a lovely

:25:24.:25:44.

enter the day but tonight the clear skies mean it is dry, quite

:25:45.:25:46.

Download Subtitles

SRT

ASS