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As BP cuts one in five North Sea jobs, does Aberdeen's oil and gas

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More bad news as BP cuts 600 North Sea jobs.

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Does this mark a tipping point for an industry already

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BBC Scotland is promised more control over its budget

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but the Scottish Culture Secretary wants to go further -

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And more trouble for Police Scotland, the force that

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broke the law, as Holyrood's justice committee go over its head to seek

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answers from the officers who spied on journalists' sources.

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The industry was braced for bad news but today's announcement by BP

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600 jobs, that's one in five of the company's North Sea

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workforce, will be out of a job, most of them by the end of the year.

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The company blames toughening market conditions but says it's committed

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With 65,000 jobs already gone, we'll consider the impact

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on Aberdeen and the wider Scottish economy.

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But first from Aberdeen here's Steven Duff.

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Over the past 50 years, we have grown from an office of 15 people to

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a regional employee base of over 4,000. BP is one of the big players

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in the North Sea. It was there in the beginning. Executives insist it

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will be there for the future. Today, workers in Aberdeen briefed on a new

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round of job cuts in all 600 will lose their jobs by the end of next

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year. BP would not speak publicly. The oil and industry body say they

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are having to cut their cloth because of market conditions. It is

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a personal shock for those involved. But it reflects the broad choice as

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many companies are making across the sector in response to a dramatic

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fall in oil price. The fall was great news if you're filling up but

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not if you're a company like BP trying to make a profit or even

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break even on a barrel of oil. The business of oil is political as well

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as economic. It is important to note and work in BP's continued

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commitment to the North Sea. BP has reiterated today its investment

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plans, both in capital investment and operational investment in the

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North Sea this year, and has said it sees a long-term future for its

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business in the North Sea. We've got to continue to work with the

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industry as the Chancellor has been doing to make the North Sea as

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attractive as possible to carry on investment. BP will invest $4

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billion this year in the North Sea. It insists it's very much part of

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its long-term future plans. Just before we came on air,

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Jake Malloy from the RMT union came If a major operator like BP is

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shedding one in five of its small see staff, you must be pretty

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concerned about the future of oil and gas. Seriously concerned. We

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have been concerned for over a year now. This news is devastating news.

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We had anticipated a degree of attrition and some cuts, but 600 has

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come as a serious, serious body blow. What is the impact in

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Aberdeen? Is there any optimism left? No, I think optimism was lost

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early last year when all the analysts predicted it was going to

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be quite a significant period, looking at two years, but whilst the

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optimism went, I don't think anybody was pessimistic to think that what

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it we are seeing would transpire. And worrying times now, given the

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news from BP today. What are you seeing in Aberdeen? What is the

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effect on businesses and people living in Aberdeen? Well, I do think

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it's really... Filtered through right down yet. We're seeing quite a

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significant difference in people being able to park cars in the

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street. There are some office blocks completely empty. But the knock-on

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effect now with the likes of BP announcing this, you're going to see

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hotels, taxis, bars and restaurants... It filters right out

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through the entire economy. The supply industry is suffering. The

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shipping side, helicopter traffic is affected. That will affect road

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transportation and everything else. Although you say you are braced for

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more job losses, it isn't just that, is it? Even the way people are being

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employed now in order to cut costs is changing. Yes, we are seeing an

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increase in the use of what the term ad hoc short term almost zero

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contract hours, which we oppose at any time, it is a wrong way and

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dangerous way to engage people in this industry. Now, the Scottish

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government has set up a task force a year ago to deal with this. I

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understand you are on the task force. Has it managed to save any

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jobs? In a word, no. The objective of the task force was to try and

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help people suffering as a consequence of the cuts. Ironically,

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we thought we had bottomed out. And the previous chief executive of BP

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actually sat on the group as well. The last meeting was in December. I

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don't know whether he was aware of the extent of the cuts that were

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coming with the company. But the task force were not aware of it, so

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it came as a shock I suspect the chair of the task force, who has

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done a very good job... As regards saving jobs, no, there's no way of

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saving any jobs at all. Do you think there is more the government,

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Scottish and Westminster, could be doing now to help out? I think

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Westminster specifically needs to get a grip on things here because

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this goes way beyond the issue of jobs. This is about security of

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supply. It is about sustaining oil production from the North Sea at a

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level which will prevent us importing, it'll prevent us going

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into decommissioning, saving the taxpayer millions, and it'll prevent

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cost fluctuations, and trying to get oil supply from different

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jurisdictions. There is a big game to play and I don't think

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Westminster at any stage in the last 30 years has actually taken any

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great interest other than to siphon off as much money as quickly as they

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possibly could at any given time. Thank you very much for joining us

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this evening. Listening to that was The Herald's

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business editor, Ian McConnell. Pretty gloomy stuff there from one

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of the unions representing the people that are going to lose their

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jobs. Is there any optimism? I think you're right, it is a gloomy picture

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with lots of job losses. Today's announcement another manifestation

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of that. I think in terms of room for optimism, you can look at some

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of the big new developments that are coming on. They've invested a lot of

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money already, and they've emphasise their commitment. These are projects

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with long lifetimes. The oil price will fluctuate, it'll go in cycles

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in that period. There are more mutual assets, some buyers, where

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players are withdrawing from the sector, and people coming in, and

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buying. We to maximise what is there, and the problem is that

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becomes more and more difficult in a low oil price environment. What

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about the skills lost at the moment? They will go elsewhere and find work

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elsewhere, so will it be easy enough when things pick up to attract them

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back? There is an issue around skills, being able to scale up when

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hopefully, the need comes around to do so. The Scottish engineering

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bodies highlighted the fact that a lot of people have come out of oil

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and gas and got into other sectors of the engineering sector. Not so

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long ago, the North Sea sector itself was struggling with skills.

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So, there is undoubtedly an issue with that. Aberdeen has a great

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skills base, particularly in the oil services side. The companies are

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cutting edge around the world. So that would be a concern. What effect

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is this having on the Scottish economy as a whole? I think the

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second-quarter growth figures for Scotland showed marginal growth,

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much less than what was fairly anaemic growth in the UK in all. The

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third quarter Scottish figures are imminent. Economists will be

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watching carefully to see whether that indicates it is a more

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permanent effect. Oil and gas is important in these surveys. We have

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heard that hotels restaurants and airports in Aberdeen, but there are

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more increasing worries that it will spread to other sectors and other

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parts of Scotland, as the chain effect continues. We all watch those

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figures with interest tomorrow when they are published. Thank you for

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coming in this evening. The Director General of the BBC,

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Tony Hall, has promised "more power" for BBC Scotland to

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control its future. Appearing before MSPs

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at Holyrood this morning, he stressed he wanted to see

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a vibrant BBC Scotland contributing But the Scottish government

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is pushing for more. In a moment I'll be speaking

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to the Scottish Culture Secretary, Fiona Hyslop, but first

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this from our political Broadcasting is always politically

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sensitive. In post-devolution post-referendum Scotland, that goes

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double. Programmes for Scotland, like River City, means jobs. But how

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about this? Waterloo Road, which was transferred from watched out

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agreement, making it a Scottish show. Critics call that lift and

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shift - programmes with little authentic bases in Scotland. Senior

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managers admit that was an issue when they gave evidence at Holyrood

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as part of a review of the BBC Charter. And Gordon MacDonald told

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them Scotland still received less investment per head than Wales and

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Northern Ireland. There is a shortfall of ?87 million spent in

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Scotland. In 2014-15, the BBC licence raised ?333 million. TV,

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radio and other output cost ?108.2 million. Programmes made for the

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network cost ?82.3 million, leaving ?132.5 million contributing to other

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UK programmes and services available for Scotland. The BBC managers were

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questioned closely on the notion of new Scottish TV and radio channels.

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The MSP Pramac were told those were early-stage options, later

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overtaken. One of the options we were looking at, in terms of whether

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they should be a second service on Radio Scotland, whether there was...

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Whether there was a balance of advantage, how do we get to the

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audiences, but I have to stress there were a number of options that

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were on the table. The convener summed up the core concern. The

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importance of BBC Scotland to the creative industries in Scotland, and

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I want if you could outline your view on the idea that they should be

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further devolution of the ABC to BBC Scotland. The directed general said

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a review of commissioning could help Scottish owners make the network,

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and a review of news would reflect the changing UK, and perhaps involve

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a Scottish six, a TV programme was Scottish, UK, and global news. I

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want the director for Scotland as for Wales to have more power to

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decide the services that the people in Scotland want for Scotland. I

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also want the director of Scotland to have a powerful voice in

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determining what the BBC does as a whole. The Culture Secretary

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welcomes those reviews but wanted to go further. I believe it is time for

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BBC Scotland to be resourced, to be bold and creative for Scotland. The

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Scottish government is proposing a federalised BBC that would allow BBC

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Scotland to control decision-making within Scotland, and I stress

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independent of government. There was very close questioning today but

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potential consensus, too. I believe the committee wants to sound a

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positive note urging the BBC to transfer more funding, commissioning

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and decision-making to Scotland. It is likely the report will be

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followed by a full Parliamentary debate urging the BBC to act.

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Here now to explain exactly what she means by empowering

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and resourcing BBC Scotland is Culture Secretary Fiona Hyslop.

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Why do you want a BBC Scotland to have a federal structure's what

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difference would it make? How would it improve broadcasting? We know

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from the BBC's order research Scottish audiences are saying they

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don't not see the BBC reflecting themselves as much as they could do

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and it is a major criticisms in relation to the news. That aside

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what we want to see is a greater economic impact so BBC Scotland can

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contribute to the creative industries in Scotland. There was a

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lot of agreement today. I agree we should have more power for Scotland.

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For a whole lot about building an online channel and certainly we need

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more platforms for Scottish productions. Decision-making and

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commissioning that currently takes place in London or Manchester should

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be moved in part to Scotland. We say there should be by the whole

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structure, others say it is about decentralisation. BBC Scotland house

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to play catch up to devolution in the first place but it is an

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important opportunity to help build companies, creativity and economic

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impact not just what BBC employees, Ed important as it is, but for other

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industries in Scotland. That is not what we're getting at the moment

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from BBC but we can build on that going forward. There was a dispute

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over figures. You said the BBC only spends ?35 million on local output

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in Scotland while the BBC said it is more than ?100 million. Do you

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accept that figure? The enquiry has now brought out these figures and I

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think that is very helpful. The managing director of finance for the

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UK BBC agreed with our figure of 35 million for an off the line original

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creative content for television. They agreed with our figure. What I

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do want... But it was 100 million, not 35 million. She said, in the

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official report that she agreed with our figures of 35 million. She

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talked about 74 million and terms of costs. That is overheads, outside

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broadcast right, not original content. I was very pleased we got

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an admission and in agreement from the BBC that 4300 ?23 million of

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licence fee payment from Scotland small amount is spent original

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content. It should be Scottish jobs and the long-term. You would like to

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see all that ?323 million raised in Scotland spent Scotland? Indeed. How

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much would you spend on network programmes that people you love like

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Doctor Who, strictly come dancing. Of course we can get these shores as

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other countries do. How much would that cost? Bear in mind, the

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managing director of finance for the BBC says there is a bit 200 million

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of that 323 million is supporting the BBC network. Let's look at the

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economic and creative impact. There is a consensus across Scotland

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around this. All the events we have been hosting. The committee chaired

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by a Conservative MSP agrees with this assessment. For what we provide

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we should be getting better quality in terms of the sustainable and

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creative content. Question Time is a very important short for the BBC but

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I don't think it's a lot Scotland. Is there any evidence of a Scottish

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audience wants to see a radically different programming? Apart from

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news and current affairs? Less than 50% of people in Scotland are

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satisfied with news and current affairs. I was encouraged and I

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think Tony Hall was listening and has been listening but we need to

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trust their decision making and commissioning and editorial control,

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moving in that direction I think we can work with him to move them even

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further. Thanks for coming in. Now, more controversy

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for Police Scotland. Holyrood's justice committee says it

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will bypass them and directly invite four police officers

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to give evidence. The officers were named

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by a Deputy Chief Constable during an investigation into police

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spying on journalists' sources. But the force has blocked

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the officers from explaining As Huw Williams reports,

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the issue emerged because of leaks claiming were flaws

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in a murder investigation. Another justice committee meeting

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and another senior policeman giving evidence. But not the four officers

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MSPs want to question. Can I express the disappointment of this committee

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that the four opposite the invited to come before us today we are

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prevented from doing so and pull the Scotland would not pass the

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invitation to those officers. The officers were named by Police

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Scotland at a hearing before Christmas. It's worth reminding

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ourselves that Emma Caldwell was murdered nearly 11 years ago but not

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one has been convicted. Last April the Sunday mail ran a story naming a

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suspect in highlighting what it said were shortcomings with the police

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investigation. Weeks later the Lord Advocate asked for more resources

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for the murder enquiry. We know the police broke the law try to find out

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where reporters were getting their information from without getting

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authorisation from a judge. The paper's editor said officers should

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instead focus on problems with the initial murder enquiry. Journalists

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are very protective of our sources and concerned when we discover

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please have spent time and resources trying to discover sources. --

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police have spent time. This is ultimately about the death of a

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young woman ten years ago and the need to find justice for heart and

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her family. Today concerned about police priorities were aired in

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Parliament. Rather than back to look at the investigation, the emphasis

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then moved on to looking at the source, rather than taking the job

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mean a point that there may have been something not quite right or

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something that could have been improved on with the original

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investigation. It is not mutually exclusive. What we're doing is both.

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There has been a lengthy exchange of letters between the comedy and

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Police Scotland, while the ward a white billboard, before officers to

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explain what happened and why. -- the four officers to explain what

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happened. We have taken legal advice on it and give individuals here at

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the heart of our response in terms of serious organised crime and

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serious criminality. Obviously their names have already been published

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but what we don't want to have is the identity is out there so people

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know who they are and then addresses and the risks are two reasons.

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Despite that the committee seems determined to hear from the four. We

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have decided to issue an invitation personally to each of the officers.

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They obviously do not have to accept and we will not compel them but

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should they wish to, accompanied by a member of the staff association

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and put forward their side of the story. The investigation into Police

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Scotland's culture and processes continues but there is something

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even more important than that. I hope justice is eventually delivered

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for the victim and the family. It appears both Scotland were more

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interested in who have been talking to journalists are investigating why

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they did not investigate the murder properly.

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Joining me now to talk about this and some of today's other news

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are Cat Boyd, whose standing for the RISE political alliance

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at the Scottish Elections and Andy MacIver, PR guru and former

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director of communications for the Scottish Conservatives.

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Welcome to you both. Let's start with that story, full stop, what do

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you think of the police's priorities? It is very worrying, but

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let's be honest, it is the latest in a long line of scandals for Police

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Scotland which I think is a direct consequence of centralisation of the

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police force. We have a armed police on the streets, stop and search of

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children, death in custody and now this. The truth of the matter is

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this will continue until there is reform of Police Scotland. I really

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hope our politicians will break up to the fact this will continue

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unless something changes. What about over a six-year? Does this not you

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have built your confidence? -- what about oversight? Cap is right to

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mention the other issues are likely Scotland but I think this is the

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most serious one as it indicates something potentially more sinister.

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This is a clear piece of legislation they have breached, it is so obvious

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what the intention is that you can't spy on journalists and it is such a

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basic tenet of a free media and free press that you cannot do this. It is

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a black and white issue and I think it is quite worrying they have

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crossed that line because the legislation was extremely clear and

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it is difficult to see how you can swallow an explanation that they

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just made a mistake, which is effectively what they said today.

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How the chemistry do think the posting of Scotland will be an the

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elections in May? I think it is huge. We have seen the replacement

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of Stephen APPLAUSE House and another officer who comes

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from the Met background. -- Stephen house. I think this is an

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issue that really matters to people and I can see any reform. It brings

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up the age old question of who watches the watchers? At the police

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are supposed to be watching Society and who watches the police? We have

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seen today in Parliament a senior police officer has taken the place

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of four officers who have broken the law. If it was URI who had committed

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a crime we would be expected to stand there. -- you or I. If the

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Scottish Government Scottish parliament can't get answers from

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the police but how do the families of Emma Caldwell get answers? It is

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a real concern for the majority of people will stop someone else who

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MSPs was looking for answers from was Tory hole. They said in light of

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increased devolution it was time to make changes. -- Pawnee halt. Andy,

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-- Pawnee hole. How do the rebuild trust in Scotland? Wrigley to

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separate the wheat post-referendum and pre-referendum environment. The

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has been going about for a while and what we have to accept, in my view,

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is we should start from the point of understanding most people in

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Scotland get their news from the BBC so we are very narrow in that sense.

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Most other countries have a wider variety of news sources. And very in

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favour of hyper localisation of broadcasting. STV Edinburgh and

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Glasgow have been good initiatives. I'm not convinced the BBC is the

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best and be able to deliver local news. I think the delivery of local

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news for example through BBC .co .uk has had a negative impact on local

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press. I do think you will get a different political viewpoint. My

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own viewpoint is that for as long as we're part of the UK, and that may

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be a long time not, I think it is reasonable to have national, UK and

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international news delivered throughout the UK and Scottish news

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delivered as it is right now. It is not a big deal for me, personally.

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Where is the money coming from? The BBC had an ex ?750 million worth of

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cuts. I am massively in favour of a public broadcaster but I don't think

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the BBC is beyond reform. I am glad we're talking about the Scottish

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news at six. There was also discussion of the potential online

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for Scotland. It has its pros and cons. There is the opportunity for

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BBC Scotland to do something like Netflix which is producing bribing

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documentaries. We are too narrow in whom we get, use from. We need a

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public broadcaster who can question Scottish politics and institutions.

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We have relieved that. That's it for tonight. I'm back tomorrow night see

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you then.

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