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And nearly all the job losses are here in Scotland. | :00:00. | :00:24. | |
20,000 jobs have gone in Scotland since December. | :00:25. | :00:31. | |
Yet barely any in the rest of the UK. | :00:32. | :00:34. | |
A Trump/Clinton battle for the White House moves a step closer | :00:35. | :00:40. | |
And how often have you thought about the soil beneath your feet? | :00:41. | :00:43. | |
It's a much-ignored natural resource. | :00:44. | :00:55. | |
Disappointing news for the Scottish economy today as it was revealed | :00:56. | :00:58. | |
we continue to have a higher unemployment rate than | :00:59. | :01:00. | |
New figures show the jobless total here rose by 20,000 | :01:01. | :01:05. | |
A thousand jobs were lost everywhere else. | :01:06. | :01:09. | |
In a moment, we'll be asking our Business Editor what lies | :01:10. | :01:11. | |
behind this growing gap in the unemployment figures. | :01:12. | :01:13. | |
But first, here's our Business Correspondent, | :01:14. | :01:16. | |
This engineering plant is a long way from the North Sea, but it is still | :01:17. | :01:32. | |
feeling the impact from the collapse in the price of oil. It makes | :01:33. | :01:37. | |
high-tech parts for the offshore industry. But buyers are saving | :01:38. | :01:40. | |
their cash, so jobs here have been lost. Things have got much, much | :01:41. | :01:48. | |
tougher over the last year. We are at a fraction of the turnover we | :01:49. | :01:54. | |
were doing before. We have lost six people from our workforce, we had to | :01:55. | :01:59. | |
make them redundant. Most of our competitors have done the same | :02:00. | :02:03. | |
thing. The oil industry has been hit hard and that is bad news for | :02:04. | :02:06. | |
employment. The latest figures across Scotland show the number of | :02:07. | :02:11. | |
people out of work and looking for a job rose by 20,000. And Scotland's | :02:12. | :02:16. | |
and employment rate is now higher than it is across the UK as a whole. | :02:17. | :02:22. | |
But these problems go beyond the North East and the offshore | :02:23. | :02:26. | |
industry. Scotland's manufacturers have had a difficult year. With some | :02:27. | :02:33. | |
of the best known names facing closure. And Scotland's service | :02:34. | :02:37. | |
sector, which employs the most people as a barely grown in recent | :02:38. | :02:41. | |
months. For the first time in a longer time we are beginning to see | :02:42. | :02:45. | |
evidence of a real disconnect in what is happening in Scotland and | :02:46. | :02:50. | |
the rest of the UK. Oil certainly is part of the story, but maybe some of | :02:51. | :02:55. | |
our other key sectors, like financial services are not doing as | :02:56. | :03:00. | |
well as we might hope. I think the whole problem of uncertainty | :03:01. | :03:05. | |
associated with the stagnation of the European economy, the question | :03:06. | :03:07. | |
of uncertainty associated with Brexit and the question of | :03:08. | :03:12. | |
uncertainty associated with what would have the Scotland a Brexit | :03:13. | :03:20. | |
occurred. So as our big employers face big challenges, what scope is | :03:21. | :03:24. | |
there for small scale at job creation? At this event in Glasgow | :03:25. | :03:28. | |
today, entrepreneurs and community groups were talking shop using old, | :03:29. | :03:33. | |
empty buildings for new ventures and new jobs in uncertain times. This is | :03:34. | :03:38. | |
happening all across the world. And maybe if we actually recognise that | :03:39. | :03:42. | |
and go, we are living in one of the most volatile economic times, we | :03:43. | :03:47. | |
need to be more flexible, we need more innovation, we cannot hark back | :03:48. | :03:50. | |
to the past with people saying, oh, wouldn't it be good if Woolworths | :03:51. | :03:55. | |
came back? That is gone. This engineering firm is taking up that | :03:56. | :03:59. | |
challenge, looking for orders beyond the oil industry. The question now | :04:00. | :04:04. | |
is can other Scottish employers and its workforce do the same? | :04:05. | :04:06. | |
Here now to discuss what this all means is our Business | :04:07. | :04:09. | |
Hello, Douglas. Hello. Why is the job situation here so different to | :04:10. | :04:22. | |
the rest of the UK? Is it all down to oil and gas? No. I think it is | :04:23. | :04:29. | |
worth saying that through a lot of the downturn in years that we've | :04:30. | :04:33. | |
been in for roughly 80 years, Scotland has mirrored an awful lot | :04:34. | :04:37. | |
of what the UK has been doing. It has been an average parts of the UK | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
in a way that London has been an outlier. Scotland has been fairly | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
average. That has now changed. There is a guy virgins and in almost every | :04:46. | :04:52. | |
account you look at, where you have got statistics, the guy virgins does | :04:53. | :04:55. | |
not look good from a Scottish perspective. It's partly the London | :04:56. | :05:03. | |
effect. The South East has a huge dynamic effect on the UK and London | :05:04. | :05:07. | |
has strengths which lead to an balance is across the UK. Stop blood | :05:08. | :05:11. | |
has not done badly in avoiding too much influence from that. -- | :05:12. | :05:16. | |
Scotland. Oil and gas is the dimensional be Scottish economy | :05:17. | :05:19. | |
which really stands out. It was a very strong for several years when | :05:20. | :05:22. | |
we needed it to be strong and other things were we, it is now, because | :05:23. | :05:26. | |
of the oil price, moved into a much worse position. The downturn has | :05:27. | :05:30. | |
spread more to the Scottish economy that we expected. That suggests | :05:31. | :05:34. | |
there is more to this than oil and gas, as you are here from Professor | :05:35. | :05:39. | |
David Bell. There is something else wrong about the sectors we have | :05:40. | :05:43. | |
strength in, the kind of sectors we exported. We are vital to dependent | :05:44. | :05:47. | |
on certain sectors, whiskey for instance. A quarter of our exports | :05:48. | :05:52. | |
are in a whiskey and although that had strong growth in recent years, | :05:53. | :05:56. | |
the past three years so it's falling significantly. Financial services | :05:57. | :06:02. | |
have problems as well. Business confidence is not strong. Consumer | :06:03. | :06:07. | |
confidence is a week as well. The retail figures came out today and in | :06:08. | :06:10. | |
food and fashion, they are going backwards. There is some willingness | :06:11. | :06:16. | |
from consumers to spend on big items like furniture and such. We heard | :06:17. | :06:22. | |
Professor Bell they're talking about the European referendum damaging | :06:23. | :06:28. | |
business confidence. Could this have something to do with constitutional | :06:29. | :06:31. | |
and certainty in Scotland? Yes, first of all, you are talking about | :06:32. | :06:35. | |
the prospect of a Brexit, the question of whether the UK leave the | :06:36. | :06:41. | |
European Union in June. -- leaves. It is already affecting investment | :06:42. | :06:47. | |
and things been postponed, particularly in the property sector | :06:48. | :06:49. | |
in Scotland where house prices fallen, which is not the case in any | :06:50. | :06:54. | |
part of the UK. There is something different about the Scottish | :06:55. | :06:58. | |
property market there. Inward investors as well looking at the UK | :06:59. | :07:03. | |
as a place to invest will be suspect about the risk of that uncertainty, | :07:04. | :07:09. | |
about Britain's trading position. We know and it was referred to again | :07:10. | :07:14. | |
thereby Professor Bell, we know that if Britain votes to leave the EU and | :07:15. | :07:21. | |
Scotland does not, we are back into independent referendum territory. -- | :07:22. | :07:24. | |
independence referendum. But even if it doesn't, Scotland has realigned | :07:25. | :07:29. | |
itself, whoever is to blame, they have seen to realign themselves | :07:30. | :07:33. | |
around this question of Independence. That brings | :07:34. | :07:36. | |
uncertainty and there are economic consequences from a, because | :07:37. | :07:39. | |
business does not lie that kind of political uncertainty. Are you | :07:40. | :07:42. | |
surprised we haven't heard more from the politicians about this from the | :07:43. | :07:46. | |
rest of the UK during the Scottish election campaign? I am quite | :07:47. | :07:52. | |
surprised by the com yes. The familiar discussion in this fifth | :07:53. | :07:58. | |
Scottish Parliamentary election is around spending priorities, how will | :07:59. | :08:02. | |
you put big lumps of money into things that are popular? | :08:03. | :08:05. | |
Particularly the health service and education or whatever. We have the | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
new dimension about tax and that is really being talked about in terms | :08:10. | :08:13. | |
of how you redistribute the extent to which you can use the levers of | :08:14. | :08:21. | |
tax. How you use them to close the inequality gap, for instance. There | :08:22. | :08:24. | |
is little discussion about what is happening in the economy long term, | :08:25. | :08:28. | |
the big trends, some are global trends, those that affect Scotland | :08:29. | :08:32. | |
in particular and what can be done about them. There is a little | :08:33. | :08:35. | |
analysis coming from any of the parties about what Scotland needs to | :08:36. | :08:39. | |
do next to take the economy and to regenerate bits of it which it | :08:40. | :08:46. | |
inevitably needs, it needs regeneration, industries that way as | :08:47. | :08:49. | |
others come up and what you can do about that does not seem to be part | :08:50. | :08:53. | |
of the debate that we have got in the Scottish Holyrood election. OK, | :08:54. | :08:57. | |
Douglas, thank you for coming in this evening. | :08:58. | :08:58. | |
The Ukip leader in Scotland, David Coburn, has said his | :08:59. | :09:01. | |
critics in the party should consider quitting. | :09:02. | :09:03. | |
On the campaign trail in Inverness, Mr Coburn hit back at the ten senior | :09:04. | :09:06. | |
activists who wrote to party bosses calling for him to be replaced. | :09:07. | :09:09. | |
Here's our political correspondent, Glenn Campbell. | :09:10. | :09:22. | |
Ukip's larger than a life lead in Scotland has a Nigel Farage for | :09:23. | :09:29. | |
company in Inverness. The UK party leader and also to David Cockburn | :09:30. | :09:33. | |
and has little time for those who have demanded his replacement. We | :09:34. | :09:38. | |
are on the verge of establishing a toehold in Holyrood. Some people are | :09:39. | :09:43. | |
jealous, it happens in every party and walk of life. -- Holyrood. Among | :09:44. | :09:48. | |
the critics, the UK former treasurer in Lothian who says he acted not out | :09:49. | :09:51. | |
of jealousy but concern for his party's reputation. I look at David | :09:52. | :09:57. | |
Cockburn in a position of prominence and think whoever made that decision | :09:58. | :10:01. | |
that he is a good candidate to be in that job and he clearly isn't in | :10:02. | :10:05. | |
terms of his character and terms of its competence. Mr Coburn's | :10:06. | :10:10. | |
opponents say Ukip is dysfunctional in Scotland and in a letter to party | :10:11. | :10:15. | |
headquarters, blamed him for bad publicity. It was after appearing on | :10:16. | :10:19. | |
a BBC debate on immigration that Mr Coburn amid comments comparing the | :10:20. | :10:24. | |
SNP Government minister to the terrorist supporting cleric Abu | :10:25. | :10:30. | |
Hamza. It was eschew but think to say and inappropriate. He | :10:31. | :10:34. | |
apologised, but the activist's letter described this as a major | :10:35. | :10:39. | |
public gaffe. -- public gas. The document also raises concerns about | :10:40. | :10:43. | |
the liberal strategy dubbed operation... | :10:44. | :10:56. | |
I'm sorry, I am a patriot. Today, Mr Coburn insisted he had not realised | :10:57. | :11:07. | |
he used the wrong name. Before arriving here in Inverness, David | :11:08. | :11:11. | |
Cockburn dismissed the criticism as a nonsense. He says those | :11:12. | :11:15. | |
responsible were a disgruntled minority and that half of the group | :11:16. | :11:20. | |
of ten had already left the party. Now, he wants the other half to | :11:21. | :11:25. | |
think about going to. They should consider their positions and quite | :11:26. | :11:28. | |
frankly, they have not been doing much for the party. They did not | :11:29. | :11:32. | |
help me get elected and are not doing anything in this campaign, so | :11:33. | :11:35. | |
quite honestly, what is the point of them being in the party if they're | :11:36. | :11:40. | |
not doing that? Mr Coburn's keeping his job and does not think his party | :11:41. | :11:45. | |
critics will harm his chances of toasting future election success. | :11:46. | :11:50. | |
Now, the prospect of Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton facing each | :11:51. | :11:54. | |
other in the US Presidential election in November moved a step | :11:55. | :11:57. | |
closer last night as they each won decisive victories in their home | :11:58. | :12:00. | |
Both frontrunners are now well on their way to securing | :12:01. | :12:03. | |
Joining me now from Washington to discuss where they go from here, | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
is our North American reporter, Anthony Zurcher. | :12:09. | :12:15. | |
Anthony, a comfortable winner last night by Hillary Clinton in her home | :12:16. | :12:21. | |
state. Is it all but over and for Bernie Sanders? It is looking that | :12:22. | :12:26. | |
way. He had longer odds going into New York to get the nomination and | :12:27. | :12:30. | |
with the decisive winner by Hillary Clinton, it is all but impossible. | :12:31. | :12:34. | |
She raised all of the games Sanders made when he won seven at the last | :12:35. | :12:39. | |
eight states in just one fell swoop with this dominating performance in | :12:40. | :12:43. | |
New York. So it is not looking good for him. And yet, he has not stepped | :12:44. | :12:49. | |
aside? No, he hasn't. And he entered this race wanting to Bush is | :12:50. | :12:55. | |
progressive against -- agenda, free college education universal. I do | :12:56. | :12:58. | |
think he think he thought he would be competitive when he entered the | :12:59. | :13:03. | |
race, so the fact it is now out of reach does not mean he cannot | :13:04. | :13:05. | |
continue to talk about the issues that are important to him and he can | :13:06. | :13:10. | |
get to the convention and maybe shape the Democratic platform, shape | :13:11. | :13:14. | |
their agenda going forward. Last night was also a big winner for | :13:15. | :13:19. | |
Donald Trump. But a gift -- but a bit of a different tone? He has made | :13:20. | :13:26. | |
a name for himself with his brash attitude, his belligerence, his loud | :13:27. | :13:29. | |
outspokenness, and it was a much more moderate, restrained Donald | :13:30. | :13:33. | |
Trump last night. He was talking about the economy, not belittling | :13:34. | :13:38. | |
his opponent, he was emphasising his electability and the number of votes | :13:39. | :13:41. | |
he has got, the number of delegates he has got and although earlier | :13:42. | :13:46. | |
today he was back on the campaign Trail and sounding a little more | :13:47. | :13:50. | |
like his old self, so we will see how long this new Donald Trump last. | :13:51. | :13:55. | |
It was a good knife him and he were not delegates in New York and kept | :13:56. | :13:58. | |
his hopes of winning the nomination alive. What happens if he doesn't | :13:59. | :14:06. | |
win the nomination outright? Well, if he doesn't follow this path and | :14:07. | :14:12. | |
get winners next week in places like Pennsylvania, Maryland, Indiana and | :14:13. | :14:15. | |
California at the beginning of June, if he doesn't take this magic mark | :14:16. | :14:20. | |
of 1237 delegates, then it could be an open convention and at that | :14:21. | :14:24. | |
point, there will be a lot of political wrangling in Cleveland | :14:25. | :14:26. | |
where the Republicans all meat if Trump does not somehow manage the | :14:27. | :14:32. | |
delegates to come over to his side. Someone like Ted Cruz, his primary | :14:33. | :14:35. | |
opponent would have an opportunity to make his pitch. | :14:36. | :14:42. | |
They could convince someone who wasn't running for President to take | :14:43. | :14:48. | |
nominations. It is unprecedented in modern US politics. What happens | :14:49. | :14:54. | |
next? Next Tuesday, we have another slate of states. Pennsylvania, | :14:55. | :14:58. | |
Maryland, Connecticut, Delaware. A lot of states that are close to New | :14:59. | :15:02. | |
York and similar to New York in their attitude and style. Right now, | :15:03. | :15:06. | |
Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are leading in the polls, and if they | :15:07. | :15:10. | |
take this momentum, this surge of support that they got last night in | :15:11. | :15:15. | |
New York and turn it into wins next week across the board, I think they | :15:16. | :15:19. | |
have got to be feeling pretty confident that they will face off | :15:20. | :15:23. | |
against each other in November. What can we gauge so far from this | :15:24. | :15:27. | |
process about who might actually be the next president of the United | :15:28. | :15:32. | |
States? Well, it has been surprising on the Republican side how much | :15:33. | :15:37. | |
support outsiders have got. I don't think anyone thought that Donald | :15:38. | :15:40. | |
Trump would be able to generate the kind of support he has. Ted Cruz was | :15:41. | :15:45. | |
considered an outsider, as well. Someone who wasn't well liked in | :15:46. | :15:49. | |
Washington by the establishment, and he is in second place candidates. A | :15:50. | :15:56. | |
lot of anger and resentment over among Republican voters. So that you | :15:57. | :15:59. | |
can see the Democratic side, too. Hillary Clinton was the chosen one, | :16:00. | :16:04. | |
the one who had all the money, all the establishment support. Everyone | :16:05. | :16:07. | |
thought she was going to be able to waltz to the and incomes Bernie | :16:08. | :16:12. | |
Sanders who wasn't even registered as a Democrat when he entered the | :16:13. | :16:18. | |
race. He has capitalised on the outs well among progressives, liberal | :16:19. | :16:21. | |
tubercle believers, young voters who find his pitch for free college | :16:22. | :16:27. | |
education to be essential. And so he has presented much more of a | :16:28. | :16:30. | |
challenge than anyone could have imagined. It has been a contest of | :16:31. | :16:37. | |
surprises and outside is doing well. Thank you for joining us. My | :16:38. | :16:39. | |
pleasure. We've heard a lot from candidates | :16:40. | :16:40. | |
during this election campaign about protecting | :16:41. | :16:42. | |
Scotland's natural resources. They were at it on this | :16:43. | :16:46. | |
programme just last night. But they usually mean wind, | :16:47. | :16:49. | |
solar or tidal power. When was the last time | :16:50. | :16:51. | |
you heard a politician Well, I should warn you that this | :16:52. | :16:54. | |
report from Huw Williams contains explicit shots of adults sniffing | :16:55. | :17:00. | |
soil - which some viewers And lastly hear our lovable | :17:01. | :17:18. | |
countrymen Arthur Fallowfield. I think the answer lies in the soil. | :17:19. | :17:23. | |
It may just be that Kenneth Williams' character had a point. | :17:24. | :17:29. | |
This field at the southern end of Loch Lomond has some of the best | :17:30. | :17:34. | |
views in Scotland. It also has the best soil. It won top prize at last | :17:35. | :17:40. | |
year's Royal Highland show. What makes the soil so special, it is | :17:41. | :17:43. | |
more to do with what I haven't done than what I have done. We don't use | :17:44. | :17:49. | |
ammonium nitrate fertiliser, which is acidic. The pH in this field has | :17:50. | :17:54. | |
remained at about 5.9, which is not perfect, but not too bad. I haven't | :17:55. | :17:57. | |
spread lime for eight years now here. The other things we don't use | :17:58. | :18:03. | |
of herbicides and pesticides, which may damage the microorganisms in the | :18:04. | :18:07. | |
soil. Goes on, look at this field and tell that this is prize-winning | :18:08. | :18:12. | |
soil? I don't think you could answer that, you have to get your spade out | :18:13. | :18:15. | |
and did. You have to see what is down below to know where the soil is | :18:16. | :18:22. | |
good and healthy. We can see the roots coming through the soil | :18:23. | :18:24. | |
sample, that is good. It should have an earthy smell to it, that has a | :18:25. | :18:32. | |
soil smell. They are sampling soil in Glasgow, too. These artists are | :18:33. | :18:36. | |
part of soil city, an initiative launched at the Glasgow | :18:37. | :18:40. | |
International Festival. They've come to this rose garden to look beneath | :18:41. | :18:46. | |
the surface. Soil city is a project to reimagine the city as if soil | :18:47. | :18:51. | |
matters. It is in Glasgow and we are trying to engage people, citizens, | :18:52. | :18:54. | |
activists, food growers, scientist. We're trying to bring all those | :18:55. | :18:59. | |
people together to have the conversation about soil and really | :19:00. | :19:02. | |
look at soil as a collective resource. It is so essential to | :19:03. | :19:06. | |
everything that we do, do how we produce our food, particularly in an | :19:07. | :19:09. | |
urban context, soil is often a bit neglected. We don't think about it. | :19:10. | :19:14. | |
Soil is something in the countryside, something that farmers | :19:15. | :19:17. | |
might care about, but it is essential to everything we do in the | :19:18. | :19:21. | |
city, as well. The James Hudson Institute in Aberdeen has been | :19:22. | :19:25. | |
sampling soil the decades. It is home to Scotland's national soil | :19:26. | :19:31. | |
archive. It really is a library of one of our most valuable resources. | :19:32. | :19:38. | |
One of its main worth is when you resample the soil. You can tell how | :19:39. | :19:42. | |
the soil has changed, for good or bad. As the carbon level dropped? | :19:43. | :19:53. | |
Increased? Has the New Jersey drops? Has the pH change? Should soil be an | :19:54. | :20:01. | |
election issue? The artist behind the project say yes. It should be an | :20:02. | :20:07. | |
issue. We are facing massive soil problems that is really in jeopardy | :20:08. | :20:12. | |
at the moment. It is also where a lot of life lives, it is full of | :20:13. | :20:17. | |
life in soil, but maybe not in cities where we have damaged that | :20:18. | :20:20. | |
soil, so part of the idea behind soil city is to bring people | :20:21. | :20:24. | |
together into this conversation to think about, what can we do to | :20:25. | :20:29. | |
revalue soil in the city? Giving people and politicians to care about | :20:30. | :20:35. | |
soil might not be easy, but it is fundamentally important. -- getting | :20:36. | :20:39. | |
people. Perhaps we all need to acknowledge that. It is also | :20:40. | :20:44. | |
important for food production, important for farmers, their | :20:45. | :20:46. | |
fundamental resource. They use it to grow crops and grow grass to feed | :20:47. | :20:51. | |
livestock. It is also really important for looking after the | :20:52. | :20:56. | |
environment. Soil has a big part to play in preventing greenhouse gas | :20:57. | :21:00. | |
emissions. Soil is really important for everyone. He knew what he was | :21:01. | :21:06. | |
talking about, that Arthur Fallowfield. I think the answer lies | :21:07. | :21:07. | |
in the soil. Now joining me in the studio | :21:08. | :21:09. | |
to discuss some of the day's other news is the health journalist | :21:10. | :21:13. | |
Pennie Taylor and the Daily Record's Political Editor, | :21:14. | :21:15. | |
Magnus Gardham. Let's go back to that Ukip story. | :21:16. | :21:27. | |
David Cockburn's troubles from within his own ranks. Coburn. Ten | :21:28. | :21:37. | |
people have said he is not suitable to be the face of the Brexit | :21:38. | :21:42. | |
campaign. Is that fair? It is a sign of a complete shambles that is Ukip. | :21:43. | :21:47. | |
Certainly when it comes to the Brexit campaign, it is going to be | :21:48. | :21:55. | |
very interesting to see whether Vote Leave, the officially designated | :21:56. | :21:57. | |
league campaign will have anything to do with David Coburn. From their | :21:58. | :21:59. | |
point to do with David Coburn. From their | :22:00. | :22:48. | |
their only elected official here in Scotland. If he wasn't at the helm, | :22:49. | :22:50. | |
who would there be to Scotland. If he wasn't at the helm, | :22:51. | :24:06. | |
world anti-doping agency is in Scotland tomorrow to talk about how | :24:07. | :24:10. | |
clean athletes can be better protected against athletes who | :24:11. | :24:14. | |
cheat. In advance of his talk in sterling, he has been speaking to | :24:15. | :24:15. | |
the BBC. Is there a point at which you look | :24:16. | :24:24. | |
at the least level sport, taking up space value the nature of those | :24:25. | :24:29. | |
performances? Yes and no. I don't watch cycling any more. I just don't | :24:30. | :24:40. | |
care. I hope the clearing it up a bit, but as we say in my continent, | :24:41. | :24:47. | |
I am from Missouri, show me. The other things, even athletics. I | :24:48. | :24:51. | |
don't know how you watch, but if I watch a 100 metre race, I watch the | :24:52. | :24:55. | |
race in excitement and then I look at the time. It is not one of these | :24:56. | :25:00. | |
things were you watch the clock and when the clock stops you look down | :25:01. | :25:03. | |
and try to figure out who got there first. It can still be exciting. But | :25:04. | :25:09. | |
what I don't like is when the uncertainty disappears. You can see | :25:10. | :25:17. | |
the full interview tomorrow night on HARDtalk at 8:30pm on BBC News. | :25:18. | :25:20. | |
Magnus, before I ask you about that, I must correct my mistake. I am so | :25:21. | :25:30. | |
sorry, I don't know why I said that. I do apologise. Just listening to | :25:31. | :25:35. | |
his comments then, do you think a lot of people share his | :25:36. | :25:38. | |
disillusionment about competitive sports now? Absolutely, I do. I | :25:39. | :25:43. | |
thought it was rather sad to hear him say that he no longer watches | :25:44. | :25:49. | |
cycling. I am an avid cycling fan, and I think to hear him say that is | :25:50. | :25:55. | |
a real blow to cycling. It undermines the efforts that the | :25:56. | :25:59. | |
sport is making to clean itself up after the infamous Lance Armstrong | :26:00. | :26:05. | |
era. Having said that, cycling particularly has a huge uphill | :26:06. | :26:11. | |
struggle to go along to rehabilitate itself. Fans of all sports hope that | :26:12. | :26:22. | |
winning performances are clean, but there have been enough scandals to | :26:23. | :26:27. | |
sell a seed of doubt in our minds, sadly. I wonder if we should be at | :26:28. | :26:32. | |
all surprised that is competitive cyclists, athletes, will do anything | :26:33. | :26:37. | |
to win. Reflecting on this story today, I realise that all my life, | :26:38. | :26:43. | |
I've grown up with stories about suspicions of what athletes were on. | :26:44. | :26:50. | |
It used to be Eastern Europe, European athletes, and women who | :26:51. | :26:53. | |
looked too much like men. It has gone on for ever. There is another | :26:54. | :26:57. | |
kind of race here, which is a game of TB P between the regulators and | :26:58. | :27:03. | |
those in whose interest it is to stretch the boundaries, sometimes | :27:04. | :27:08. | |
legally, sometimes illegally. It seems to be that it is integral to | :27:09. | :27:16. | |
sport, and probably always has been. But why do you think it matters so | :27:17. | :27:21. | |
much to the public? They're just trying to enhance their performance, | :27:22. | :27:24. | |
to be as good as they can be. Some people might argue that is OK if | :27:25. | :27:28. | |
everyone is doing it. Certainly. Cycling is a funny example. | :27:29. | :27:32. | |
Throughout much of the history cycling, it wasn't seen as cheating | :27:33. | :27:37. | |
to have a little me up, amphetamines and a tot of brandy in the old days, | :27:38. | :27:41. | |
it was part of the sport. If something helps an athlete perform | :27:42. | :27:46. | |
better and everyone was doing it, hey, why worry? I think it has | :27:47. | :27:52. | |
changed because the drugs have become so much more sophisticated. | :27:53. | :27:57. | |
You've got into this arms race, really, between the testis and the | :27:58. | :28:03. | |
coaches and the doctors who are producing performance enhancing | :28:04. | :28:11. | |
drugs. I think that is really changing the performances and they | :28:12. | :28:15. | |
become no longer credible. Is it taking the magic away? Fact it is | :28:16. | :28:22. | |
so... I don't think so. When I sit and watch an Olympic sprint, I am | :28:23. | :28:25. | |
still in awe of the human effort that has gone into it. It is | :28:26. | :28:30. | |
disappointing if, at some point later, it emerges that that wasn't | :28:31. | :28:34. | |
necessarily the fair race that it purported to be. We can't possibly | :28:35. | :28:38. | |
have a world where athletes have to be pumped up with fundamentally | :28:39. | :28:46. | |
experimental drugs before they can compete. We have to leave it there. | :28:47. | :28:48. | |
Thanks for coming in. I'm back tomorrow night, usual time, | :28:49. | :28:49. | |
so do please join me if you can. How are you feeling? | :28:50. | :28:54. | |
I'm withdrawing...very heavily. Returning to Britain tomorrow: | :28:55. | :29:07. | |
the not-so-secret weapon President Obama and Americans | :29:08. | :29:45. | |
of all political colours say So why exactly does the US seem | :29:46. | :29:55. | |
to care so much about it? The UK is an important part of being | :29:56. | :30:02. | |
part of the solution. | :30:03. | :30:07. |