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And nearly all the job losses are here in Scotland.

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20,000 jobs have gone in Scotland since December.

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Yet barely any in the rest of the UK.

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A Trump/Clinton battle for the White House moves a step closer

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And how often have you thought about the soil beneath your feet?

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It's a much-ignored natural resource.

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Disappointing news for the Scottish economy today as it was revealed

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we continue to have a higher unemployment rate than

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New figures show the jobless total here rose by 20,000

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A thousand jobs were lost everywhere else.

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In a moment, we'll be asking our Business Editor what lies

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behind this growing gap in the unemployment figures.

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But first, here's our Business Correspondent,

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This engineering plant is a long way from the North Sea, but it is still

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feeling the impact from the collapse in the price of oil. It makes

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high-tech parts for the offshore industry. But buyers are saving

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their cash, so jobs here have been lost. Things have got much, much

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tougher over the last year. We are at a fraction of the turnover we

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were doing before. We have lost six people from our workforce, we had to

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make them redundant. Most of our competitors have done the same

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thing. The oil industry has been hit hard and that is bad news for

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employment. The latest figures across Scotland show the number of

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people out of work and looking for a job rose by 20,000. And Scotland's

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and employment rate is now higher than it is across the UK as a whole.

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But these problems go beyond the North East and the offshore

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industry. Scotland's manufacturers have had a difficult year. With some

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of the best known names facing closure. And Scotland's service

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sector, which employs the most people as a barely grown in recent

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months. For the first time in a longer time we are beginning to see

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evidence of a real disconnect in what is happening in Scotland and

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the rest of the UK. Oil certainly is part of the story, but maybe some of

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our other key sectors, like financial services are not doing as

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well as we might hope. I think the whole problem of uncertainty

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associated with the stagnation of the European economy, the question

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of uncertainty associated with Brexit and the question of

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uncertainty associated with what would have the Scotland a Brexit

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occurred. So as our big employers face big challenges, what scope is

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there for small scale at job creation? At this event in Glasgow

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today, entrepreneurs and community groups were talking shop using old,

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empty buildings for new ventures and new jobs in uncertain times. This is

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happening all across the world. And maybe if we actually recognise that

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and go, we are living in one of the most volatile economic times, we

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need to be more flexible, we need more innovation, we cannot hark back

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to the past with people saying, oh, wouldn't it be good if Woolworths

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came back? That is gone. This engineering firm is taking up that

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challenge, looking for orders beyond the oil industry. The question now

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is can other Scottish employers and its workforce do the same?

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Here now to discuss what this all means is our Business

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Hello, Douglas. Hello. Why is the job situation here so different to

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the rest of the UK? Is it all down to oil and gas? No. I think it is

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worth saying that through a lot of the downturn in years that we've

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been in for roughly 80 years, Scotland has mirrored an awful lot

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of what the UK has been doing. It has been an average parts of the UK

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in a way that London has been an outlier. Scotland has been fairly

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average. That has now changed. There is a guy virgins and in almost every

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account you look at, where you have got statistics, the guy virgins does

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not look good from a Scottish perspective. It's partly the London

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effect. The South East has a huge dynamic effect on the UK and London

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has strengths which lead to an balance is across the UK. Stop blood

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has not done badly in avoiding too much influence from that. --

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Scotland. Oil and gas is the dimensional be Scottish economy

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which really stands out. It was a very strong for several years when

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we needed it to be strong and other things were we, it is now, because

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of the oil price, moved into a much worse position. The downturn has

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spread more to the Scottish economy that we expected. That suggests

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there is more to this than oil and gas, as you are here from Professor

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David Bell. There is something else wrong about the sectors we have

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strength in, the kind of sectors we exported. We are vital to dependent

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on certain sectors, whiskey for instance. A quarter of our exports

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are in a whiskey and although that had strong growth in recent years,

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the past three years so it's falling significantly. Financial services

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have problems as well. Business confidence is not strong. Consumer

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confidence is a week as well. The retail figures came out today and in

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food and fashion, they are going backwards. There is some willingness

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from consumers to spend on big items like furniture and such. We heard

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Professor Bell they're talking about the European referendum damaging

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business confidence. Could this have something to do with constitutional

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and certainty in Scotland? Yes, first of all, you are talking about

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the prospect of a Brexit, the question of whether the UK leave the

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European Union in June. -- leaves. It is already affecting investment

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and things been postponed, particularly in the property sector

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in Scotland where house prices fallen, which is not the case in any

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part of the UK. There is something different about the Scottish

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property market there. Inward investors as well looking at the UK

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as a place to invest will be suspect about the risk of that uncertainty,

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about Britain's trading position. We know and it was referred to again

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thereby Professor Bell, we know that if Britain votes to leave the EU and

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Scotland does not, we are back into independent referendum territory. --

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independence referendum. But even if it doesn't, Scotland has realigned

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itself, whoever is to blame, they have seen to realign themselves

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around this question of Independence. That brings

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uncertainty and there are economic consequences from a, because

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business does not lie that kind of political uncertainty. Are you

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surprised we haven't heard more from the politicians about this from the

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rest of the UK during the Scottish election campaign? I am quite

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surprised by the com yes. The familiar discussion in this fifth

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Scottish Parliamentary election is around spending priorities, how will

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you put big lumps of money into things that are popular?

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Particularly the health service and education or whatever. We have the

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new dimension about tax and that is really being talked about in terms

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of how you redistribute the extent to which you can use the levers of

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tax. How you use them to close the inequality gap, for instance. There

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is little discussion about what is happening in the economy long term,

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the big trends, some are global trends, those that affect Scotland

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in particular and what can be done about them. There is a little

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analysis coming from any of the parties about what Scotland needs to

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do next to take the economy and to regenerate bits of it which it

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inevitably needs, it needs regeneration, industries that way as

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others come up and what you can do about that does not seem to be part

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of the debate that we have got in the Scottish Holyrood election. OK,

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Douglas, thank you for coming in this evening.

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The Ukip leader in Scotland, David Coburn, has said his

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critics in the party should consider quitting.

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On the campaign trail in Inverness, Mr Coburn hit back at the ten senior

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activists who wrote to party bosses calling for him to be replaced.

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Here's our political correspondent, Glenn Campbell.

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Ukip's larger than a life lead in Scotland has a Nigel Farage for

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company in Inverness. The UK party leader and also to David Cockburn

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and has little time for those who have demanded his replacement. We

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are on the verge of establishing a toehold in Holyrood. Some people are

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jealous, it happens in every party and walk of life. -- Holyrood. Among

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the critics, the UK former treasurer in Lothian who says he acted not out

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of jealousy but concern for his party's reputation. I look at David

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Cockburn in a position of prominence and think whoever made that decision

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that he is a good candidate to be in that job and he clearly isn't in

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terms of his character and terms of its competence. Mr Coburn's

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opponents say Ukip is dysfunctional in Scotland and in a letter to party

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headquarters, blamed him for bad publicity. It was after appearing on

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a BBC debate on immigration that Mr Coburn amid comments comparing the

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SNP Government minister to the terrorist supporting cleric Abu

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Hamza. It was eschew but think to say and inappropriate. He

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apologised, but the activist's letter described this as a major

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public gaffe. -- public gas. The document also raises concerns about

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the liberal strategy dubbed operation...

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I'm sorry, I am a patriot. Today, Mr Coburn insisted he had not realised

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he used the wrong name. Before arriving here in Inverness, David

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Cockburn dismissed the criticism as a nonsense. He says those

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responsible were a disgruntled minority and that half of the group

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of ten had already left the party. Now, he wants the other half to

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think about going to. They should consider their positions and quite

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frankly, they have not been doing much for the party. They did not

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help me get elected and are not doing anything in this campaign, so

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quite honestly, what is the point of them being in the party if they're

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not doing that? Mr Coburn's keeping his job and does not think his party

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critics will harm his chances of toasting future election success.

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Now, the prospect of Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton facing each

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other in the US Presidential election in November moved a step

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closer last night as they each won decisive victories in their home

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Both frontrunners are now well on their way to securing

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Joining me now from Washington to discuss where they go from here,

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is our North American reporter, Anthony Zurcher.

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Anthony, a comfortable winner last night by Hillary Clinton in her home

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state. Is it all but over and for Bernie Sanders? It is looking that

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way. He had longer odds going into New York to get the nomination and

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with the decisive winner by Hillary Clinton, it is all but impossible.

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She raised all of the games Sanders made when he won seven at the last

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eight states in just one fell swoop with this dominating performance in

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New York. So it is not looking good for him. And yet, he has not stepped

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aside? No, he hasn't. And he entered this race wanting to Bush is

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progressive against -- agenda, free college education universal. I do

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think he think he thought he would be competitive when he entered the

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race, so the fact it is now out of reach does not mean he cannot

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continue to talk about the issues that are important to him and he can

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get to the convention and maybe shape the Democratic platform, shape

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their agenda going forward. Last night was also a big winner for

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Donald Trump. But a gift -- but a bit of a different tone? He has made

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a name for himself with his brash attitude, his belligerence, his loud

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outspokenness, and it was a much more moderate, restrained Donald

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Trump last night. He was talking about the economy, not belittling

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his opponent, he was emphasising his electability and the number of votes

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he has got, the number of delegates he has got and although earlier

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today he was back on the campaign Trail and sounding a little more

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like his old self, so we will see how long this new Donald Trump last.

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It was a good knife him and he were not delegates in New York and kept

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his hopes of winning the nomination alive. What happens if he doesn't

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win the nomination outright? Well, if he doesn't follow this path and

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get winners next week in places like Pennsylvania, Maryland, Indiana and

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California at the beginning of June, if he doesn't take this magic mark

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of 1237 delegates, then it could be an open convention and at that

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point, there will be a lot of political wrangling in Cleveland

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where the Republicans all meat if Trump does not somehow manage the

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delegates to come over to his side. Someone like Ted Cruz, his primary

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opponent would have an opportunity to make his pitch.

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They could convince someone who wasn't running for President to take

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nominations. It is unprecedented in modern US politics. What happens

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next? Next Tuesday, we have another slate of states. Pennsylvania,

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Maryland, Connecticut, Delaware. A lot of states that are close to New

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York and similar to New York in their attitude and style. Right now,

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Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are leading in the polls, and if they

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take this momentum, this surge of support that they got last night in

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New York and turn it into wins next week across the board, I think they

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have got to be feeling pretty confident that they will face off

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against each other in November. What can we gauge so far from this

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process about who might actually be the next president of the United

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States? Well, it has been surprising on the Republican side how much

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support outsiders have got. I don't think anyone thought that Donald

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Trump would be able to generate the kind of support he has. Ted Cruz was

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considered an outsider, as well. Someone who wasn't well liked in

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Washington by the establishment, and he is in second place candidates. A

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lot of anger and resentment over among Republican voters. So that you

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can see the Democratic side, too. Hillary Clinton was the chosen one,

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the one who had all the money, all the establishment support. Everyone

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thought she was going to be able to waltz to the and incomes Bernie

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Sanders who wasn't even registered as a Democrat when he entered the

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race. He has capitalised on the outs well among progressives, liberal

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tubercle believers, young voters who find his pitch for free college

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education to be essential. And so he has presented much more of a

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challenge than anyone could have imagined. It has been a contest of

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surprises and outside is doing well. Thank you for joining us. My

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pleasure. We've heard a lot from candidates

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during this election campaign about protecting

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Scotland's natural resources. They were at it on this

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programme just last night. But they usually mean wind,

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solar or tidal power. When was the last time

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you heard a politician Well, I should warn you that this

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report from Huw Williams contains explicit shots of adults sniffing

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soil - which some viewers And lastly hear our lovable

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countrymen Arthur Fallowfield. I think the answer lies in the soil.

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It may just be that Kenneth Williams' character had a point.

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This field at the southern end of Loch Lomond has some of the best

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views in Scotland. It also has the best soil. It won top prize at last

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year's Royal Highland show. What makes the soil so special, it is

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more to do with what I haven't done than what I have done. We don't use

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ammonium nitrate fertiliser, which is acidic. The pH in this field has

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remained at about 5.9, which is not perfect, but not too bad. I haven't

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spread lime for eight years now here. The other things we don't use

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of herbicides and pesticides, which may damage the microorganisms in the

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soil. Goes on, look at this field and tell that this is prize-winning

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soil? I don't think you could answer that, you have to get your spade out

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and did. You have to see what is down below to know where the soil is

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good and healthy. We can see the roots coming through the soil

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sample, that is good. It should have an earthy smell to it, that has a

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soil smell. They are sampling soil in Glasgow, too. These artists are

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part of soil city, an initiative launched at the Glasgow

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International Festival. They've come to this rose garden to look beneath

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the surface. Soil city is a project to reimagine the city as if soil

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matters. It is in Glasgow and we are trying to engage people, citizens,

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activists, food growers, scientist. We're trying to bring all those

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people together to have the conversation about soil and really

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look at soil as a collective resource. It is so essential to

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everything that we do, do how we produce our food, particularly in an

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urban context, soil is often a bit neglected. We don't think about it.

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Soil is something in the countryside, something that farmers

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might care about, but it is essential to everything we do in the

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city, as well. The James Hudson Institute in Aberdeen has been

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sampling soil the decades. It is home to Scotland's national soil

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archive. It really is a library of one of our most valuable resources.

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One of its main worth is when you resample the soil. You can tell how

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the soil has changed, for good or bad. As the carbon level dropped?

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Increased? Has the New Jersey drops? Has the pH change? Should soil be an

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election issue? The artist behind the project say yes. It should be an

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issue. We are facing massive soil problems that is really in jeopardy

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at the moment. It is also where a lot of life lives, it is full of

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life in soil, but maybe not in cities where we have damaged that

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soil, so part of the idea behind soil city is to bring people

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together into this conversation to think about, what can we do to

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revalue soil in the city? Giving people and politicians to care about

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soil might not be easy, but it is fundamentally important. -- getting

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people. Perhaps we all need to acknowledge that. It is also

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important for food production, important for farmers, their

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fundamental resource. They use it to grow crops and grow grass to feed

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livestock. It is also really important for looking after the

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environment. Soil has a big part to play in preventing greenhouse gas

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emissions. Soil is really important for everyone. He knew what he was

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talking about, that Arthur Fallowfield. I think the answer lies

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in the soil. Now joining me in the studio

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to discuss some of the day's other news is the health journalist

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Pennie Taylor and the Daily Record's Political Editor,

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Magnus Gardham. Let's go back to that Ukip story.

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David Cockburn's troubles from within his own ranks. Coburn. Ten

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people have said he is not suitable to be the face of the Brexit

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campaign. Is that fair? It is a sign of a complete shambles that is Ukip.

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Certainly when it comes to the Brexit campaign, it is going to be

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very interesting to see whether Vote Leave, the officially designated

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league campaign will have anything to do with David Coburn. From their

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point to do with David Coburn. From their

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their only elected official here in Scotland. If he wasn't at the helm,

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who would there be to Scotland. If he wasn't at the helm,

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world anti-doping agency is in Scotland tomorrow to talk about how

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clean athletes can be better protected against athletes who

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cheat. In advance of his talk in sterling, he has been speaking to

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the BBC. Is there a point at which you look

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at the least level sport, taking up space value the nature of those

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performances? Yes and no. I don't watch cycling any more. I just don't

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care. I hope the clearing it up a bit, but as we say in my continent,

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I am from Missouri, show me. The other things, even athletics. I

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don't know how you watch, but if I watch a 100 metre race, I watch the

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race in excitement and then I look at the time. It is not one of these

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things were you watch the clock and when the clock stops you look down

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and try to figure out who got there first. It can still be exciting. But

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what I don't like is when the uncertainty disappears. You can see

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the full interview tomorrow night on HARDtalk at 8:30pm on BBC News.

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Magnus, before I ask you about that, I must correct my mistake. I am so

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sorry, I don't know why I said that. I do apologise. Just listening to

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his comments then, do you think a lot of people share his

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disillusionment about competitive sports now? Absolutely, I do. I

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thought it was rather sad to hear him say that he no longer watches

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cycling. I am an avid cycling fan, and I think to hear him say that is

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a real blow to cycling. It undermines the efforts that the

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sport is making to clean itself up after the infamous Lance Armstrong

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era. Having said that, cycling particularly has a huge uphill

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struggle to go along to rehabilitate itself. Fans of all sports hope that

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winning performances are clean, but there have been enough scandals to

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sell a seed of doubt in our minds, sadly. I wonder if we should be at

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all surprised that is competitive cyclists, athletes, will do anything

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to win. Reflecting on this story today, I realise that all my life,

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I've grown up with stories about suspicions of what athletes were on.

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It used to be Eastern Europe, European athletes, and women who

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looked too much like men. It has gone on for ever. There is another

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kind of race here, which is a game of TB P between the regulators and

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those in whose interest it is to stretch the boundaries, sometimes

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legally, sometimes illegally. It seems to be that it is integral to

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sport, and probably always has been. But why do you think it matters so

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much to the public? They're just trying to enhance their performance,

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to be as good as they can be. Some people might argue that is OK if

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everyone is doing it. Certainly. Cycling is a funny example.

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Throughout much of the history cycling, it wasn't seen as cheating

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to have a little me up, amphetamines and a tot of brandy in the old days,

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it was part of the sport. If something helps an athlete perform

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better and everyone was doing it, hey, why worry? I think it has

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changed because the drugs have become so much more sophisticated.

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You've got into this arms race, really, between the testis and the

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coaches and the doctors who are producing performance enhancing

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drugs. I think that is really changing the performances and they

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become no longer credible. Is it taking the magic away? Fact it is

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so... I don't think so. When I sit and watch an Olympic sprint, I am

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still in awe of the human effort that has gone into it. It is

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disappointing if, at some point later, it emerges that that wasn't

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necessarily the fair race that it purported to be. We can't possibly

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have a world where athletes have to be pumped up with fundamentally

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experimental drugs before they can compete. We have to leave it there.

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Thanks for coming in. I'm back tomorrow night, usual time,

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so do please join me if you can. How are you feeling?

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I'm withdrawing...very heavily. Returning to Britain tomorrow:

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the not-so-secret weapon President Obama and Americans

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of all political colours say So why exactly does the US seem

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to care so much about it? The UK is an important part of being

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part of the solution.

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