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So how might they be used to improve life for the disabled?

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A million Scots live with disability or chronic illness.

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What difference could new Holyrood powers make to their

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And the Salvador Dali painting that's helping scientists crack

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The next five years at Holyrood will present an opportunity

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for whoever is elected to create quite a different welfare system.

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The Scottish Government will get control of 11 welfare benefits,

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from Personal Independence Payments to Carer's Allowance.

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It could choose to top some up or create new benefits.

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If it does, of course, money will have to be raised

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In the second of his films for Scotland 2016, Ian Hamilton

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speaks to disabled voters in rural communities to find out

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what they want when these new powers arrive.

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1 million people in Scotland have a long-term health condition or

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disability. Many of them live in a rural areas, which present a range

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of challenges. Following the independence referendum, one of the

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oh times of the Smith Commission was to transfer some welfare

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responsibilities from Westminster to Holyrood. Joy is blind. She lives

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with her guide dog velvet in having more -- Tab won. She is one of

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83,000 people in receipt of disability living allowance. She

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would like the Scottish Government to take a different approach. It is

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a very demeaning process. All disabilities are not the same. Even

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visual impairment is not the same. If you have arthritis Sundays during

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able to do things, other days not and all of these things have to

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taken into consideration. The Scottish Government will get control

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over 11 benefits including the disability living allowance,

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Personal Independence Payments, the spare room subsidy and Carer's

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Allowance. These will have a direct impact on people living here in

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Scotland. I would love to hear politicians talking about and

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enabling, progressive welfare system that supports people with a

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disability to integrate and live independently in society. That is

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very different to the narrative we hear from UK politicians and I think

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that is the sort of conversations that disabled people in Scotland

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want to hear. Not only will the next Scottish Government be taking over

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existing benefits, they will be able to top these up and create new ones.

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But they will have to find money to pay for these. We left Aviemore and

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headed to the stand to meet Morag. She is a a leading disability

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campaigner. For the next Scottish Government, what would you like them

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to do? I would like them to listen and I think a disabled person should

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be on any committee they have with these decisions are being made. The

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Scottish Government itself a number of years ago said there is no

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substitute for the real-world knowledge of the service user. I

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wish they would take that on board and have disabled people in the

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earliest stages of decision-making so that they can have input and

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influence. They should make what they're more acceptable. Evan has

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two part-time jobs totalling ten hours a week. They would like to

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work more, but says there are limited opportunities for employment

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in training locally -- and training. He would like a different approach

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from a future Scottish Government with his long-term Scottish

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disability isn't being continually assessed. I don't suppose you made a

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screen to change quickly. At no point is going to improve it is grim

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to be a lifetime thing, so once they have realised that, they should not

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have took the test it. -- it is going. There are expectations that

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the Scottish Government will fall back some of the controversial

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welfare changes but one expert says there may be little room to do so.

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They will have a limited sum of money and it will have two manage

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that money anyway they have never done before. The way that it works

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for the most part for the Scottish Government is that they get a

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certain sum of money, divided according to what they want to send

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it on -- spend. Benefits aren't like that, they are driven by the numbers

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of people in need. The second problem is that you can't make

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anybody better off without making somebody else worse off somewhere

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else unless you're to spend more money and often a lot more money.

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Disabled people like Joy saved when the Scottish Government get control

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of welfare benefits, they would like them to stop continually reassessing

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them, particularly when they have lifelong conditions and instead take

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account of their geography and a variable nature of the disability.

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The question is, in five years' time, could the welfare's systems

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north and south of the border be different east 's? -- beasts.

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Joining me now to talk about all that here in the studio

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In Edinburgh for Scottish Labour is Ian Murray,

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and from the Liberal Democrats, Alex Cole-Hamilton.

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We asked the Scottish Conservatives to take part, but they told us

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Humza Yousaf, if the S is re-elected, will be see a very

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different welfare system to England in five years' time? -- SNP. It will

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be different. We don't have all the welfare powers the SNP would like to

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have but there will be fundamental differences, one of the most

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important what is a new Social Security agency to take a new

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approach. It would be the language of scroungers and spongers, it will

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be dignity and respect, but when it comes to practicalities, we will

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abolish the bed and tax when we can, the 84 day rule so that disabled or

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ill children will not have their carer allowance taken off them. We

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will not cut disability allowance and there a lot of other things we

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have set out in our manifesto and a fundamental is about dignity and

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respect. I'm not surprised nor Conservative has turned up, they're

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probably hiding from disastrous decisions that they have made have

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really affected people were your studio is in the heart of Govan. I'm

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not surprised they have chosen not to turn up. Ian Murray, what would

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Scottish Labour do that is radically different from now? Someone in your

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package said we should involve disabled people and I think that is

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the best way of going forward to design a new system when these

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powers are transferred but it's not just the 11 powers that are actually

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on the face of the bill, but we were successful in getting amendments

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adopted by the Government that allows the adoption of a new benefit

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in a devolved area and to top up reserve benefits. For example, we

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will make sure that Carer's Allowance is paid at the level of

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jobseeker's allowance and that the Scottish welfare fund will allow

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payment in cash and kind and as Humza Yousaf had said we will make

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sure the bedroom tax is no longer in place in Scotland. Their animal host

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of things that can be done and this gives us a real opportunity for that

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change and I think one of the most important aspect of this whole

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debate is getting away from the rhetoric that the Conservatives have

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been using. We have fallen into the ability of talking about welfare

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when we should be talking about Social Security, so a new engagement

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with disabled people, he knew of Ettrick and compassion that we want

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for ourselves and families -- rhetoric. We also need to make sure

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that assessment is that are done with disability living allowance are

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done with compassion because someone who is blind is not going to get any

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less blind and deaf or when their assessment is done they should be on

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that benefit for the remainder of their lives unless they can

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miraculously reading their site but alongside that kind of example is

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ensuring that people who want to go into work, and the vast majority of

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disabled people as they can work, they desperately want to work, the

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new powers allow us to design a new work system that would support them

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back into the workplace and employment. Alex Cole-Hamilton, we

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had complaints in the film about the lack of employment opportunities,

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particularly in rural areas. Disabled people and already more

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than twice as likely to be unemployed as able-bodied people. Is

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there anything the Liberal Democrats would do to address that? I think

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the scale of that problem is horrific. A local authority plan to

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get 200 young people with disabilities back into employment

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and had only succeeded in 11 the following year. There are range of

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inhibitions in that. I later, these programmes and complain about SNP

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policy but there is broad consensus across the parties represented on

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this programme tonight about what the package of new powers to be used

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for -- could be used for and I think we need to increase the Carer's

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Allowance to the level of jobseeker's allowance. Due to go

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further than that. It is not just about welfare powers, it is about

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the existing powers we have now. We passed an act of Parliament in the

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last session, the self-directed support act which is about

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disability empowerment so that people with disabilities can direct

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out that budget is spent. That is working well in some places but

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there isn't just the service provision necessary to make that

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dream a reality. We need to do more to address that. The broad consensus

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across the parties on how we should use the welfare powers. Broad

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consensus but you had the professor in that package saying you can't

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make anyone better off without making someone worse off, so Humza

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Yousaf, if you improve disability benefits, who will be worse off? I

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suppose in one respect, the highest earners in Scotland will be paying

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more than those south of the border. We will make sure that the tax cut

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that Tories are giving to highest earners will not be happening in

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Scotland so those entering the most will not -- will be paying. You made

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a lot of other financial promises. Sure but our manifesto is fully

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costed. Secondly, we be balancing the books for nine years with John

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Swinney every year. I certainly got faith in a finance minister lay John

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Swinney but these are difficult decisions to make. I would like to

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do it with a full set of financial levers to be able to do that. It

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will be challenging but I have no doubt that the changes to be made

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will not only improve disabled people's lives but we managed in the

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budget. Ian Murray, there are difficult decisions ahead for

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Holyrood. Would you actually be able, with the tax increases your

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suggesting, to fund promises to disabled people? Humza Yousaf said

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he wanted to use the power of taxation to raise more money but is

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refusing to use them, particularly the introduction of the 50p tax rate

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for those earning ?150,000 per year. What is critical when it comes to

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disability benefits and the most vulnerable in society who need all

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support the social cutesy system that they rely on public services --

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Social Security, and if we go down the road of not using the powers,

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we're just going into another five years of cuts. If we continue to cut

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public services and not invest in the future, it is the vulnerable and

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disabled in rural areas that will lose out the most. If we continue to

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cut college education, which is a vital way for disabled people to get

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back into the workplace, you can't do that on the cheap and the SNP are

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offering no additional resources to be able to do that. Alex

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Cole-Hamilton, how would a Liberal Democrats pay for their pledges you

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are making to replace the work programme and double the help for

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people with mental health problems? Will an extra penny in taxpayer for

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that? The penny earned taxes for education. We would significantly

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read profile the health budget. I would like to address a fundamental

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mistake. There is a suggestion that money given to people with

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disabilities is just dead money. It's not. It's an investment in

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helping them to realise their potential and get them economic

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reactive so it is not just a money pit, it is something that will make

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them more active participants in community and economic producers.

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Scientists at Glasgow University have established a world first

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by cracking the communication code of our brains.

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The pioneers in the world of cognitive neuroimaging have

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examined how brains process what we see.

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And as our science correspondent Kenneth Macdonald reports,

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they've done it with more than a little help from Voltaire -

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If you are and how Salvador Dali's mind work is a matter of conjecture.

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This helps a lot how our minds work, or how our brains see. Our main

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interest was studying how the brain works as an information-processing

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machine. It is quite difficult to do because we observe brain signals but

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it is difficult to know what they do. Do the get information from the

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visual world, do they not? If so, how? To be sent information from one

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region to the brain, if so, how? Misses were Salvador Dali comes in

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and 40. In 1940 Dali painted slave market. That is Voltaire, or is it?

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You can see here to faces. The colour of the dress and the dress.

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If you default is a bit and step away from the image or take off your

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glasses, you will see the bust of Voltaire with the two faces of the

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nuns become to eyes. Techniques like these have made it possible to open

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our heads to cognitive neuroimaging. We can find early on amongst the

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early seconds of processing that the brain processes very specific

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features, such as the left eye or the right eye, a corner of the nose

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or mouth. With this at about 200 million seconds, we also find the

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brain transfers features across the two hemispheres in order to

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construct a fool representation. It has taken 15 years and funding from

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the Wellcome trust for the Glasgow research to be able to track the

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brain 's processes, measured in 1000th of a second. We asked people,

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what do you see here? Do you see Voltaire? Or do you see the nuns? Or

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do you not know what you are seeing? After many such trials, with

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mathematical techniques, we can reveal what features the brain is

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using for each perception. For the nuns, it would be primarily the two

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heads and for a volunteer, which are seeing right here, which is a more

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global view of this face. It makes Glasgow University and kind of

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Bletchley Park of the brain. Able not just a monitor signals, like

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Alan Turing and his colleagues, actually crack the code they

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contain. It is very important because prior to this research,

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people would know to brain regions communicate as they knew what the

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Germans were doing in World War II, they were communicating with each

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other. Likewise, prior to the enigma of cheering, people did not know

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what they working indicating about. -- Turing. What else is it for?

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Elsewhere it hot people to see and sort fabrics. Understanding why our

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brains do this could help machines work better in the future. Robots

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could just be the beginning. In able to track very finely where, when and

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how the information is processed in the brain, not only will inform

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brain science in terms of understanding fundamental mechanisms

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of information-processing, also clinical science in terms of

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understanding where, when and how we can have systematic distortions

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information-processing, some information pathways being

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disrupted, by strokes for example. So far, researchers have cracked the

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code but how do our brains decide that is Voltaire or two nuns? More

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research is needed before we can answer that one. Indeed, some people

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think one of the nuns is a beard. Maybe the two Dutch merchants.

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Whatever you think, it's your decision. Science is getting closer

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to working out how you made it. Fascinating stuff there

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from Kenneth Macdonald reporting from Glasgow's

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Bletchley Park of the Brain. Now, in a fortnight's time

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the polls will have closed And while one party leader may be

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getting the royal treatment, we'll have to wait till then

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to see who reigns supreme. The SNP launched their manifesto

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yesterday. Make no mistake, unlikely manifestos of other parties, this

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manifesto is the programme for Government. And, to be honest, it

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looks as though despite the obvious candidate waiting in the wings to

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replace higher and the people who think her regime has too much power

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in the land, she will continue to reign over us at least for the next

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few years. Yes, in case you missed any of the coverage, today is the

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Queen's 90th birthday. Celebrated with patriotic fervour across the

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country. Although, not everyone joined in. Apart from that, what

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else has been setting the heather alight this week in the Holyrood

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campaign? To be honest, not much. Shall I put the soil in? There has

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been a succession of photo opportunities. Some more bizarre

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than others. Ruth Davidson has been making mud pies and promising that

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ending the council tax freeze would allow local authorities to spend

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more on schools. I am not sliding down it, I can guarantee. For the

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Lib Dems, Willie Rennie was blinded by the light. He is calling for the

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immediate publication of a national survey of skills attainment in

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Scotland. And Patrick Harvie of the Greens has been out enjoying the

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sunshine. Ukip brushed off more claims two claims that the party is

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dysfunctional. And Labour's Kezia Dugdale played nicely. Before

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challenging the SNP to match her pledge to protect education budgets

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from cuts. Meanwhile, back at the SNP manifesto launch, there was a

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commitment to baby boxes for appearance of all newborns. A

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promise to close the attainment gap in education, a pledge to use tax

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and social security powers to lift people out of poverty, and ambitious

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targets to tackle climate change. That is all the party manifestos

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published them. Apart from labours. That is not out until Wednesday of

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next week. We go to the polls a week today.

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Here now to talk about that and some of the day's other news

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is the journalist Cal Flyn and businessman

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Kevin, it would be fair to say you are no fan of the SNP. Do you think

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this manifesto is a programme for Government, as Nicola Sturgeon says?

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A programme for Government... It's a triumph, is what it is. A triumph of

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form over function. It is glossy and big but timid. Maybe that meditate

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is because it is a programme for Government but what it is in effect

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is a programme of in action. Isn't it more realistic than the other

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parties? They would never have to input lament the policies of the

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polls are to be believed. I think the idea of raising ?1 billion of

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tax in the Scottish economy would be unrealistic as narrow thinking,

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particularly if you look at the SNP RE party who have talked about

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social justice and the mentioned austerity once. The mentioned social

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justice zero times. The party that says they want to offer an

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alternative to Tory austerity and yet do almost nothing on tax, that

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is in action, I think. That is timid. Cal Flyn do you think that

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that have worked out where the centre of that goal opinion truly

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is? Is that what we are seeing in this manifesto? Yes, I think when we

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look at the policies that come from all across the spectrum. We have a

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Scandinavian style with the baby boxes and on the other style we have

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the money going directly into the hands of head teachers. This is like

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the Academy programme down south. Saying that, what you see here is

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you look for total domination. They are not looking for the traditional

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left footers, they are looking for the centre as well. It is rich with

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the unionist parties to be looking at the SNP and criticising them for

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not using tax powers that we only have because of the yes movement and

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the SNP. We have those tax powers, fought for them and do not use them.

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That is weird. We are going into an election and... They have powers but

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they do not want to use them. I think they do not want to not use

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them but it would be a bad time to bring it up. Anybody else having a

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good campaign this week? I think Willie Rennie had a stroke of genius

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with an amusing photo call. I think a lot of people have been talking

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about. It is taking the same line that has brought Ruth Davidson into

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the spotlight. Somebody who's not afraid to laugh at themselves. It

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can backfire terribly but it is nice to see a sense of fun in the

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Scottish politics at the moment. Let's move on, you might have

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noticed it is the Queen's 90th birthday today. Lots going on to

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mark the day. Do you think, Kevin, Scots care as much as the rest of

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the UK about the monarchy? Whether it's as much as the rest of the

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UK... They clearly do, you just have to look at the referendum and the

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yes campaign argued for the Queen to remain as monarch. So, that is

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really an affection for the Royal family. Whether there is an

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affection for the hereditary village, which some of us struggle

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with, is another question. -- privilege. We might be against the

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principle but the Queen seems like a good egg. We saw Prince William

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talking yesterday about how the Royal family as to modernise and

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stay relevant. That's it challenge for him. Can they do that? I do not

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know if they monarchy can be modern. The print seems to be at a loss as

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to whether that is possible. -- the Prince. Nobody is willing to take on

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this huge constitutional question. Maybe after Queen Elizabeth that is

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a time when that question is going to arise. Barack Obama flew into

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London this evening and he is going to make an appeal for the unity

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kingdom to remain within the European Union. How is that going to

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go down, do you think? Obviously the outcome pain will hate it but it

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will be interesting to see how many did not scream foul when he

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expressed an opinion on the Scottish referendum. How did that go down? Is

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that helpful when somebody like home intervenes on domestic issues? On

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the UK level, it is. He still has star dust about him. The sheen might

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have come off in his own country but he is respected worldwide. It would

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help the campaign with somebody of his credibility express an opinion,

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which he is entitled to. We saw eight former Treasury Secretary is

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writing from America. We have many voices from across Europe as well.

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If it is not Obama alone then require people from overseas telling

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us the same message, perhaps that will have a good effect. It is

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hypocritical, Boris Johnson says, for a US president. Why should she

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be advocating the UK sovereignty... Has it got point? No, I do not think

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he does. If you are watching a friend doing something you think is

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stupid, you should tell them. Maybe that, really he is watching someone

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with whom he has a special relationship with a decision which

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is a bad idea. Is this about Britain or self interest? I think self

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interest. This is a bridge from America to Europe. If the UK is up

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there, the do not have the same influence in Europe. If the UK is

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outside Europe, it could have a domino effect. Sweden could be next.

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I think itself interest. Thank you both very much.

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That's it for tonight and for this week.

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# I only wanted to you laughing in the purple rain.

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