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At the Conservative party conference, the new Chancellor

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sets his own course for the UK economy, through the

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Phillip Hammond tells delegates he's committed to tackling the deficit,

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but drops his predecessor's target for getting Britain back

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In Hungary, government calls to reject EU

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but with too low a turnout to be valid.

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And we find out what Scotland is doing to help

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There was a sense of down with the old regime

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Philip Hammond certainly has a different style to George Osborne,

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but it seems he's intent on junking a fair bit of his

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The new Chancellor will axe plans to balance the books by 2020

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to help guard Britain against Brexit turbulence.

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And he said that it was common sense to invest

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But he nonetheless emphasised that the deficit is still too large

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and will need to be tackled. Graham Stewart reports.

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Fixing a roof when the sun is shining, reducing the deficit, that

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is how you deliver lasting economic security for working people.

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Long-term economic plan on course to prosperity. You can look get George

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Osborne's greatest hits? The catchphrases well worn the hard hat.

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A familiar sight on those photocalls at the nearest building site. The

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talk was of balancing books and administering a good dose of

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austerity. In the light of Brexit, a new Chancellor with a new song. The

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fiscal policies that your jawbone set out with a rate once for that

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time, but when times change, we must change with them. We will no longer

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target a surplus at the end of this Parliament, but make no mistake, the

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past of fiscal consolidation must continue. The Chancellor's Priory

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dessert invest in new homes and transport. Trying to balance the

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books he says can wait. Opposition parties have been calling for this

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in the financial crash. Housing and transport are devolved issues, but

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some believe it could present the Scottish Government with an

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opportunity. They may well get more to spend on investment projects, but

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it is likely there will be consequential is coming about as a

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result of increased spending on housing. They may have to borrow

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less themselves. That was their intention, to build up Scotland's

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infrastructure. It may be qualified good news. The Chancellor sought to

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reassure businesses with plans were pragmatic and measured. This MP said

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that in the later Brexit, the Chancellor was set preside over an

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act of economic vandalism. One of the UK Government's most committed

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Brexiteer is told the conference that Britain can more than prosper

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on its own. We have a skilled workforce, low levels of industrial

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disc at the back destruction, some of the best universities, we speak

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English, a strong research base, the right time zone for a global

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trading. Why would anyone not want invest in this country?

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APPLAUSE Delegates elected in the upbeat

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message, but its success of the Government's new economic strategy

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fringes on the Thames Britain byes exit from the European Union. We are

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still waiting France's on that. We are still waiting

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France's on that. Well, yesterday was dominated

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by a row over Scotland's role in the UK's negotiations

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to leave the EU. The Scottish Government's Brexit

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minister, Mike Russell, suggested the Scottish Parliament

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might reject the bill designed to repatriate laws

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from the EU to the UK. And he questioned the Prime

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Minister's commitment to involving the devolved nations,

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after she referred to divisive Our Westminster correspondent

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Nick Eardley has been asking the Scottish Secretary David Mundell

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how big a role each government The UK Government is going to

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establish the position that we take into those negotiations and

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obviously were going to take forward the views, the issues, the concerns

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of Scotland in relation to issues like agriculture, like fisheries,

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but across the hall read of other issues, like business requirements

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and may need to contribute to trade with the European market by example.

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We want to make absolutely sure that we have a constructive and good

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relationship with the Scottish Government. In fact, behind the

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scenes, behind the politics, I think that is happening. At the number of

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good meetings with Mike Russell who has met with David Davis. Officials

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are in daily contact info patient and developing these are gauche

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Asians. I want to be any constructive relationship. I'm not

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looking for issues and problems at every stage. I want us to come

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together in a team UK approach to get the best possible deal for

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Scotland and the whole of the UK. You mentioned Mike Russell, he

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thinks that the Scottish parliament will have to give legislative

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consent for your great repeal act, because it will impact on areas of

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demolition. Is he right? We have did see the terms of the act as

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published. I don't think is automatically the case that it would

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have to be required on Scottish parliament, but the war come forward

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with level of detail on that. I think what Mike Russell and others

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accept is that the Scottish parliament doesn't the UK weaving

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the EU. Obviously we have a say, debates and votes, too. We do not

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have a veto on the process. I want them to be fully engaged and that's

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why I'm going to appear before the Scottish parliament. We want to

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proceed on the basis of partnership. We are looking to work together, we

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are not looking for confrontation or unnecessary arguments are rows stop

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do you still think that Scotland should remain a member of the single

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market? I think what's important is that Scottish businesses should be

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able to trade in the EU without barriers are tariffs. I don't think

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that as we go forward, it's a good thing of the Prime Minister said, to

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get bogged down in definitions that have been bandied about in the past.

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Britain is going to have a unique deal. It's not going to be the

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normally deal, the Canada deal, reversed Greenlands, reverse Brexit

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are hard Brexit. It's going to be a unique deal and the important thing

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for Scotland and its businesses is that they have access to the EU

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market and there are no targets are barriers against their businesses.

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Well, it wouldn't be a party conference without its press pack

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and I've been speaking to two of its members - the political

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editor of the Courier, Kieran Andrews and the editor

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This was a first party conference speech from a new Chancellor Philip

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Hammond. Kevin Schofield, what did you think today about the clarity of

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his economic plan? It's interesting that this time last year, before the

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last election, where the Conservatives won on a platform of

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having a long-term economic plan. We heard that repeatedly during the

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election campaign and then won the Tories won it it seemed to do the

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trick for them. That long-term economic plan seems to have been

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quite short term. It has now been ripped up. George Osborne's aim of

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eradicating the deficit by 2020 has been ripped up by Philip Hammond,

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and is now acknowledging the hardest public spending that George Osborne

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wanted to pursue is counter-productive. He wants to give

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the economy a bit more leeway with Government spending, borrowing to

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invest. On the back of the Brexit result, Brexit really has changed

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the whole political landscape. Is this in any way a slight to George

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Osborne? Or is he just be more practical and taking pressure off

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himself and this new Government? Yes, he did mention that it's a job

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back for the Government to, every month when the borrowing figures

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come out, if there are not good, he wants to give himself leeway so that

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when those figures come out he can say he isn't borrowing up or down.

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Everything isn't measured against this target of eradicating the

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deficit. What is interesting is that how everything in the Conservative

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Party has changed. The Cameron project has now gone. David Cameron

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has departed and George Osborne has been sacked. The waters have been

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closed of the Cameron project. Michael Gove lives another David

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Cameron ally is no longer any power. It's remarkable how things have

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shifted so quickly. Keirin Andrews, how comfortable were the people in

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the whole do you think that this change of direction today? It was

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interesting that yesterday, before Theresa May two to the stage, there

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is a fool video praising David Cameron talking up everything that

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he had done for the Conservative Party. As Kevin says, they are now

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new series. They are comfortable with that. The atmosphere in the

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call is a bit like May herself. It is quite reserved and cam. I'm not

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sure it's entirely knows what it's doing, but it certainly gives the

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impression that it does to the outside world. In terms of the plan

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the mentioned in terms of investing in housing and transport, there

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wasn't much more specific detail, was, Ciaran? No, there wasn't. It

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was a speech that was light on detail, but big the vision. Again,

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that big, brutal break from George Osborne and his priorities. You just

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get the feeling that with Brexit, with the new Government, there is a

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bit of making it up as they go along from the Conservatives are right

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now. It is understandable to a good degree, but that can only carry on

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for a short period of time, before they start getting called out if an

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official decides to present itself at Westminster. We heard from Liam

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Fox today for the second time in a week documentary post Brexit, but

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again not much detail. No, it's almost as if number ten had ordered

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the Cabinet ministers, don't create news. There is not a great deal of

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news stories. Journalists want to news stories to get their teeth into

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in each speech. The urbane light on the detail. Everything is gearing up

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for Theresa May's speech on Wednesday. That is going to be the

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big news event as far as this conference is concerned. Everything

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is geared towards that. You are a race, the Liam Fox speech was

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low-key. What was noticeable was that the hall itself was have to

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empty for a Liam Fox. He was pitched as the hero of the right, the man

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who helped bring about Brexit. It was quite a pride thing. I am sure

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that he did not like it very much himself coming back to you, Theresa

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May has now given a indication of the timeline for Brexit four minus

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17. The financial markets today, the pound was down once again to a role

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matching up to its till July low. Is the concern within the Conservative

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ranks about the lack of future direction and clarity that they

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have? Anything that comes back in a big way to the Chancellor's pitch

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today and one of the reasons Phil Hammond, as I am looking to take a

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difficult political direction to George Osborne for ideological

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reasons, there is a big practical reason there and that is, you know,

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we are in financially uncertain waters. The pound has been all over

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the place, mainly dipping. For the Conservative Party, they want to

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give themselves as much breathing space as possible in the economy, so

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that they can try and figure out what is going on. You get the

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impression that they will think they have the nub of something there, but

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who knows how that is going to play out. Again, just those bits of

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detail, how those trade arrangements will work. There was nothing from

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Liam Fox on that today. It feels that there is a step to go and I

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think people are acknowledging that. Just quickly, how did you assess the

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mood today generally exist yet been there at the conference? It is quite

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a marked departure from last week. We were both in Liverpool for the

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Labour conference and it was pretty chaotic. There is a lot of

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infighting. Labour is at war with itself. This was a conservative by

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contrast, a fairly united party. They got what they wanted in terms

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of Brexit. Marriage is about how it plays out and what things are going

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to look like. To May is fond of saying, Brexit means Brexit. It is a

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much more united and professional party this week. It is in marked

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contrast from the Labour conference. Thank you both.

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In Hungary, a referendum has been held on whether to take part

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in the EU scheme to relocate refugees who have already

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The Prime Minister, Viktor Orban, declared victory today -

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after 98% of those who took part supported his call

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But only 43% of the electorate voted,

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less than the 50% needed for the vote to be valid.

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Mr Orban said he would change Hungary's constitution to make

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I've been speaking to Edward Lucas - who is a senior editor

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at The Economist and an expert on Eastern European politics.

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It is the real setback for Victor Orban who has had a charmed life

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since he won the Hungarian election. He has had no opposition and has

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been popular. This time he has tripped up because only 43% of the

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votes were valid. -- 43% voted. The Hungarian public is no longer

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prepared to be marched onto the stage. There does seem to be the

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division in that those who were against it were willing to turn out

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and vote and the plan that would see only 1300 asylum seekers go to

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Hungary is not a large amount but obviously something that people feel

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strongly against. He has put this up. And the even more right-wing

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party, Jobbik, they have made it into being bossed around by

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Brussels, but it is a small number and the overwhelming majority of

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migrants do not want to move to Hungary because the language is

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difficult and living standards are low. They want to move to the richer

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countries of Western and northern Europe. He is maybe using that as a

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bogeyman to scare the public and the result of the referendum shows that

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did not work. As he and the voters who voted to dry to send that

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message to Brussels? He was to send a message to Brussels that he does

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not want to be bossed around because there are other things that he wants

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to do on the economy and politics which run up against European laws

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and values and so on. I think he thought this was a good opportunity

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to stick up for national sovereignty in a Brexit we although he does not

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want Hungary to leave the EU. That was the plan, the migrant issue was

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just an excuse to have a bit of a scrap with Brussels, and now he has

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fallen flat on his face. Hungary is not alone in this. The Slovak and

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Czech leaders have both expressed concern about this. They want more

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robust borders and also the anti-immigration party in Germany

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doing well last month in elections. Is this a bubbling problem? There is

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certainly a lot of concern amongst the public all over Europe about the

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idea of uncontrolled migration and the idea that the EU does not have a

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proper border. What we are seeing is that the Visa free passport free

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zone in Europe is turning into a type of country. That is going to

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survive with three travel within that Sony has got to do a better job

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of policing and protecting border. That is a new country taking ship

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before our eyes. There is a huge push for that from Germany, not

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least, and what the Czechs and Slovaks think is neither here nor

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there. There is something quite repellent about countries that have

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had such a dramatic history themselves being invaded and

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occupied, having Soviet troops coming in and crushing the

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democratic experiments, and they have fled in their tens of thousands

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on repeated occasions to Western Europe, and were received with open

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arms, so they know what it is like for civilians and other people who

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are fleeing these terrible things, so I think it is deplorable that

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they do not show more solidarity with them. How much is this about

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xenophobia given that you mention Hungary has tended to be more of a

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transit state for migrants rather than somewhere where they would want

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to settle? There is a myth in these countries that they are ethnically

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homogenous countries with no tradition of having any sort of

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foreigners therefore it is a terrible shock to them in a way that

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a multicultural society like Germany or France is quite different, it can

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absorb lots of migrants. That is rubbish. There are large ethnic

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minorities in Hungary and Slovakia and also the fact that they have

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fewer ethnic minorities than they did as the result of Hitler and

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Stalin. Stalin killing all the Jews, -- Hitler killing all the Jews. The

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idea that these are temples of ethnic purity that had to be

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preserved from foreigners is a myth that is just conjured up by cynical

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opportunistic nationalistic politicians. Thank you.

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Parts of southern and eastern Africa are experiencing their worst famine

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It's been estimated that more than 30 million people will be

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short of food by the end of the year.

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Already in Malawi, almost half of under-five-year-olds are

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If they survive, and that's a big if, the after effects

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Aid agencies have launched emergency appeals.

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And the Scottish Government has re-committed itself to help

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with development funding - offering more money

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Drought is baiting in Zimbabwe and in Ethiopia. Oxfam Scotland are in

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Malawi to see for themselves the situation. 6.5 million people here

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are facing food insecurity. And in recent years Malawi has faced

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floods followed by drought which both presumably are equally

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devastating. Malawi is one of four countries the

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Scottish Government is committed to support but why isn't Scotland's job

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to fund international development? There has been a long-standing

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belief that Scotland should do the right thing and in a modestly have

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projects in the developing world. It is part of our long tradition that

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goes back 150 years to missionary and other work that Scotland has

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supported and it is right to be do that in the future. Aid agencies

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have been encouraging the Scottish Government to continue development

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funding, even a time of hostility. We cannot

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ignore the people in our midst, but at the same time the levels of

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poverty, the type of poverty we see in the countries where we are

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working is really very different. We are talking about governments that

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are not able to cope with that poverty or response to those people

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in any way that we would recognise as being a sufficient level. We do

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have to look after people and balance that with global

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responsibility. Money from Scotland meet immediate needs and builds up

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capacity to cope with future shocks. This builds the resilience of the

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people. What difference does it make to have

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support from Oxfam Scotland and also from the Scottish Government?

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Oxfam Scotland say the rate aid could make a real difference.

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The rains are due to start any time soon. How much Falls could be more

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crucial this year than for the past 30 years.

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Now joining me to discuss the day's big stories

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from The Herald and Zara Kitson who's an activist with the Scottish

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We are going to talk about Philip Hammond's warning to the

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Conservative Party conference. He was talking about a post-Brexit

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roller-coaster for the economy and the idea of ending the aim of

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cutting the deficit by 2020. Did this give us a good setup ahead of

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his Autumn Statement in November? I think he left are great deal, it is

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all waiting for the Autumn Statement, Innocenti did not tell us

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a great deal about how we will tackle the problems he outlined. He

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made it clear that the clear economic water since the Brexit will

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is not likely to continue but he also talked about problems like

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productivity and inequality, although he was talking about

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regional inequality, without any prescription for who he is going to

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approach any of these things. Did you get any sense of a slowing down

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of hostility? It was an attempt to appear to be in control of the

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situation at the moment. The uncertainty that we are facing with

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the economy, with the triggering of Article 50, facing Brexit, that is a

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situation that it was an attempt to look like he was in control and he

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knows what he is doing and to try to reassure people, but I think some of

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that reassures us too little too late especially when the impact of

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hostility has been deeply felt across the UK and Scotland. He said

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more investment in housing and in transport but what does that mean in

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real terms? What does that mean here in Scotland when they are both

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devolved issues as well? That uncertainty still remains. We do not

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know what it means for the budget setting process. We are still in the

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same situation in Scotland where it is pushing our budget process back

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to the point where it will make scrutiny very difficult. That is

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something that we have been pushing on, Patrick Harvie has tables to the

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Scottish Parliament to ask the Scottish Parliament to at least put

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forward some scenario planning because we need some of that robust

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scrutiny to enable equalities groups and others to hold governments to

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account for that Scottish and national Government level. We need

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to see more coming in uncertain times. Moving to Hungarian politics.

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We were talking about it a few minutes ago. This vote there about

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the EU migrant quarters. It was a low turnout, below 50%, not actually

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valid, but the huge support to Fort against. What can be read into that?

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A depressingly high vote against the EU migrant quarters. I say

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depressingly high because plainly he campaigned very hard for this. One

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in four of billboards in Hungary were carrying this message about

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voting no. It an extraordinary campaign. What we seem to lack in

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Europe, real leadership from politicians and others in the sense

:27:22.:27:26.

that we do not have a politician of the calibre of Gandhi or Martin

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Luther King or Nelson Mandela, who is explaining the case for accepting

:27:35.:27:37.

people who are fleeing from desperate circumstances, the common

:27:38.:27:44.

humanity. We seem to have conceded the point that these people are

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deeds human eyes and they are a problem and needs to shut our

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borders and we need some leadership. Do you think there is a sense of

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intolerance growing and extremism? We also had the big protests in

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Poland today about the very strict abortion rules which they are trying

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to bring in. Yes, so there was the protests which loads of women were

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on strike in Poland, thousands of women, to stand up against plans to

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bring an outright ban to abortion, which would criminalise women and

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criminalise abortion, including abortion in the case of rape or

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incest. It is unfathomable that that type of human rights violation is

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happening but it is heartening and we are seeing these trends across

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Europe and it is very disturbing. We are seeing it in our own country, an

:28:34.:28:39.

attack on disabled people rights through austerity, an attack on

:28:40.:28:43.

women's rights in Poland, an attack on humanitarian rights in terms of

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the asylum crisis and we are seeing continuous attack on workers' rights

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in terms of the challenges that we are facing in the economy and the

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lack of leadership that has been shown there. There is a lot of these

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worrying trends. What is most worrying is that this kind of right

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wing rhetoric seems to just have three room at the moment and the

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media is perpetrating it and the public are there and getting behind

:29:10.:29:12.

it and it is causing real concerns in terms of conflicts and tensions

:29:13.:29:17.

between ordinary people, who are just going with the mass media that

:29:18.:29:22.

is being fuelled by those extreme right-wing agendas and that is a

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huge concern and something that we need to be talking about more, the

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direct implications. That is why I was supporting the woman in Poland

:29:32.:29:34.

today by wearing black and taking a picture and support because I think

:29:35.:29:37.

in this country if there is a violation happening to any other

:29:38.:29:41.

woman or any other person or human it is our duty to stand up and fight

:29:42.:29:48.

to protect those rights. The survey about worklife balance today was

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interesting. There seems to be some unhappiness and Scotland according

:29:53.:29:56.

to this research from the family friendly working Scotland campaign.

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Game on the back of a childcare debate last week. I wrote about this

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I interviewed the SNP MSP who was reprimanded for having her children

:30:10.:30:12.

in a committee meeting in Westminster and she said employers

:30:13.:30:19.

could do a lot more simply by telling people their shifts in

:30:20.:30:22.

advance or enabling people to swap shifts. We are that a low ebb in

:30:23.:30:26.

Britain in terms of employers looking out for the welfare of their

:30:27.:30:30.

workers. We see that with zero hours contracts and that kind of thing.

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There are simple things that could be done to improve people's worklife

:30:33.:30:38.

balance as the will was there. Very quickly. Yes, it's also points to a

:30:39.:30:43.

much wider problem. We have an economy that does not work

:30:44.:30:54.

for people and that does not care for people in that economy. That is

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a huge problem. Human beings are the most valuable resource we will ever

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have. Bringing up children is the most

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