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disturbing. Two weeks ago, Spotlight made | :00:05. | :00:08. | |
contact with a man who said he was part of a long-running criminal | :00:08. | :00:13. | |
conspiracy, a fraud which exploits weaknesses in the system for | :00:13. | :00:18. | |
exporting horsemeat into the human food chain. A fraud which has a | :00:18. | :00:22. | |
direct bearing on the European food crisis. | :00:22. | :00:28. | |
Why is it important that what you are involved with get out? Why? | :00:28. | :00:34. | |
Number one would be the health and safety of people, 4G would be day | :00:34. | :00:38. | |
cruelty that goes on behind closed doors. The man we interviewed said | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
he was at the heart of that criminal operation. By speaking to | :00:41. | :00:47. | |
us, he says he is putting himself in danger. Tonight on Spotlight, | :00:47. | :00:57. | |
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his inside story of the criminal Over the past two months, the | :01:15. | :01:19. | |
scandal of untraceable horse meat in processed food has plunged the | :01:19. | :01:24. | |
European food industry into crisis. The Prime Minister has issued a | :01:24. | :01:29. | |
stern warning to any 100 and passing of horsemeat of -- passing | :01:29. | :01:33. | |
of horsemeat as beef. Thousands of samples are to be tested for | :01:33. | :01:37. | |
horsemeat. Three men were arrested earlier this evening on suspicion | :01:37. | :01:41. | |
of fraud as part of the investigation into horsemeat being | :01:41. | :01:46. | |
labelled as beef. Politicians in the UK and Republic | :01:46. | :01:50. | |
of Ireland attempted to contain the problem by pointing out meat | :01:50. | :01:54. | |
products are fundamentally safe and that the system for tracing horses | :01:54. | :01:59. | |
and horsemeat is working. This, for the moment, is a labelling problem, | :01:59. | :02:04. | |
an issue of fraud. There is a full investigation going on as to how | :02:05. | :02:08. | |
the imported additives got into the system and where they would come | :02:08. | :02:13. | |
from. But tonight, we can reveal that the system for slaughtering | :02:13. | :02:17. | |
horses and processing their meat has been corrupted and exploited by | :02:17. | :02:20. | |
a small group of individuals based in Northern Ireland and the | :02:20. | :02:25. | |
Republic. Several days ago, Spotlight made contact with a man | :02:25. | :02:30. | |
who claims to have been an insider in that conspiracy. We interviewed | :02:30. | :02:34. | |
him on two separate occasions. He cannot be identified, because he | :02:34. | :02:38. | |
fears for his safety, but during those interviews, he gave a | :02:38. | :02:44. | |
detailed account of how the fraud work. He started by telling us how, | :02:44. | :02:49. | |
over the last four years, large numbers of Irish horses were | :02:49. | :02:53. | |
purchased cheaply across the country by a small group of people. | :02:53. | :02:58. | |
Where did the horses come from? Anywhere, everywhere, moreover we | :02:58. | :03:06. | |
could get them. Good, bad, indifferent, it did not matter. | :03:06. | :03:12. | |
you buy them at markets? Some were born there, somewhat out and around | :03:12. | :03:15. | |
the country, a lot of them born -- bought a round the country. | :03:15. | :03:20. | |
Whereabouts? Around farms and places, people did not want them, | :03:20. | :03:24. | |
or could not afford them. After the economic crisis, there | :03:25. | :03:29. | |
was no shortage of people, north and south of the border, willing to | :03:29. | :03:32. | |
sell horses they could no longer afford to keep. | :03:32. | :03:37. | |
Did anyone ever ask you why you were so interested in buying up | :03:37. | :03:44. | |
their horse? People knew. They did not know they were going to a | :03:44. | :03:48. | |
factory, but thought they were going for dog food. They never | :03:48. | :03:56. | |
thought they were going into human food? No. Definitely not. | :03:56. | :04:00. | |
Most of the horses bought by the gang across Ireland were on the | :04:00. | :04:05. | |
face of it of little value. Horses which have proper documentation can | :04:05. | :04:09. | |
demand a higher price, often several hundred pounds, when sent | :04:09. | :04:14. | |
to slaughter, but need a document called a horse passport. It shows | :04:14. | :04:18. | |
the provenance of the horse and, crucially, its medication history. | :04:18. | :04:23. | |
And horses born since 2009 also need a microchip implanted under | :04:23. | :04:31. | |
their skin and the cheque number is recorded in the passport. This they | :04:31. | :04:36. | |
it says that, in theory, this system should allow any horse to be | :04:36. | :04:42. | |
properly identified. How the system works is that, since 2009, it is a | :04:42. | :04:46. | |
requirement when an owner applies for a passport that a horse has a | :04:46. | :04:50. | |
microchip present. That is always inserted in the left-hand side of | :04:50. | :04:55. | |
the neck, so it can be read in that position with a particular scanning | :04:55. | :05:04. | |
device. And so, since 2009, every horse that has a passport issued | :05:04. | :05:08. | |
for them would also have a matching microchip and microchip number that | :05:08. | :05:12. | |
can be read with this device and it is also to be found on the document | :05:12. | :05:17. | |
linked with that animal, so it should be a unique way of | :05:17. | :05:20. | |
identifying who this horse is and provide information about the | :05:20. | :05:25. | |
animal. That is the theory, but in practice, | :05:25. | :05:31. | |
the scam was simpler. They should always be a vet who inserts a | :05:31. | :05:34. | |
microchip in the horse and fills out the passport. The gang simply | :05:34. | :05:38. | |
did it themselves, inserting bogus microchips into the animal and | :05:38. | :05:42. | |
forging horse passports to match them. The end I eight -- the | :05:42. | :05:47. | |
insider says it happened on an industrial scale. In the trade, | :05:47. | :05:57. | |
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horse passports are known as books. They had a bag full of new books. | :05:58. | :06:02. | |
But some horses needed to have a microchip? What happened in that | :06:02. | :06:09. | |
case? They were inserted. How could that happen? Like an injection. | :06:09. | :06:14. | |
you ever cook chips into horses? Yes. But that has a number, how | :06:14. | :06:20. | |
does that work? You get the scanner and read it. And write the new | :06:20. | :06:25. | |
number into the passport? Yes. This meant that horses bought at | :06:25. | :06:31. | |
markets, or from farmers, for less than �50 were now worth several | :06:31. | :06:35. | |
hundred pounds when sold to abattoirs licensed to slaughter for | :06:35. | :06:42. | |
export abroad for human consumption. It was a licence to print money. | :06:42. | :06:47. | |
All we needed was horses, lots of them. | :06:47. | :06:53. | |
If there were about horses, you would get 16 on it, big and small, | :06:53. | :07:00. | |
you could even put 25, 26 horses. pack in as much as you can? Yes. | :07:00. | :07:05. | |
How much would you have paid for a fool lorry in total? Not much more | :07:05. | :07:10. | |
than �1,000 for them. The scam was lucrative, a lorry-load of horses, | :07:10. | :07:15. | |
costing no more than once �1,000 to buy, but fetching far more when | :07:15. | :07:19. | |
sold to an abattoir to be slaughtered for human consumption. | :07:19. | :07:24. | |
How much money we are you taking home? The average cheque would run | :07:24. | :07:30. | |
into about �5,000, something like that. And how much would be given | :07:30. | :07:40. | |
to you? You get �1,000. That is great money. Yes. | :07:40. | :07:45. | |
The money may have been good, but as time went on, the insider began | :07:45. | :07:52. | |
to see the cost of the criminal operation. Cruelty on a massive | :07:52. | :07:54. | |
scale. The gang were gathering large groups of horses together | :07:54. | :07:57. | |
before taking into England. But there were so many are waiting | :07:57. | :08:04. | |
transport, for long periods, horses would get no food, shelter or water. | :08:04. | :08:09. | |
He told us about that in his first interview. | :08:09. | :08:13. | |
They would be starving for weeks on end and in the bad weather. | :08:13. | :08:18. | |
Eventually, we thought about going around then, gathering their mark, | :08:18. | :08:23. | |
but there would be none of them there. -- gathering them up, but | :08:24. | :08:27. | |
there would be none of them and we could not get to them. Tell me | :08:28. | :08:31. | |
about the horses that did not make it to the journey, what happened to | :08:31. | :08:35. | |
them? There were horses that did not make the journey, but others | :08:35. | :08:45. | |
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did not make the journey... The insider pointed as to a | :08:48. | :08:52. | |
location where he said horses had died. These photographs taken | :08:52. | :09:02. | |
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ashore horse bones have submerged in the ground. One of the most | :09:03. | :09:06. | |
disturbing revelations from the insider is that horses were | :09:06. | :09:12. | |
regularly administered them a beautiful, known as bute, and be | :09:12. | :09:21. | |
The drugs would either be given in a horse's food or sometimes by | :09:21. | :09:25. | |
injection. Tell me about the horses that were | :09:25. | :09:29. | |
being transported, because they were cheap horses, they must not | :09:29. | :09:33. | |
have been in the best of shape. Some were not, but to stimulate | :09:33. | :09:38. | |
them and get them up on your feet again, you would give them seven | :09:38. | :09:46. | |
cortisone and bute. Bute is banned for human consumption and an EU law. | :09:46. | :09:52. | |
However, the current scientific consensus is that, even if | :09:52. | :09:55. | |
horsemeat containing bute has passed into the food chain, the | :09:55. | :10:05. | |
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risk to humans is low. Bute has been around for a long | :10:05. | :10:10. | |
time, widely roost, but some research showed a small number of | :10:10. | :10:16. | |
cases, people, humans, suffered from a particularly serious ailment | :10:16. | :10:21. | |
of the bone marrow. -- widely used. Act out of anaemia, average your | :10:21. | :10:25. | |
body switches off the production of red blood cells and it can be fatal | :10:25. | :10:29. | |
in some cases. But it was a very small number of cases that that | :10:29. | :10:34. | |
happened. Our insiders says that, in some | :10:34. | :10:41. | |
cases, horses were given bute just hours before being slaughtered. | :10:41. | :10:45. | |
a horse had a heart beat and could walk on its four Lex, you would | :10:45. | :10:50. | |
stand up on that Lawrie until he got to England. What would make | :10:51. | :11:00. | |
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that horse stand better and manage that trip? Bute. It was 16-18 hours. | :11:01. | :11:05. | |
There is no direct evidence that even this could harm human health, | :11:05. | :11:11. | |
but it does raise other concerns. That would be extremely bad news, | :11:11. | :11:14. | |
because the drug administered to the animal, immediately before | :11:14. | :11:19. | |
slaughter, means there will be high concentrations of the drug present | :11:19. | :11:21. | |
in the horse and those residues will make their way into the food | :11:21. | :11:29. | |
supply chain. For this professor, one of the biggest issues is that | :11:29. | :11:36. | |
we simply do not know what we are eating. This probably, from an | :11:36. | :11:39. | |
international standing, is probably one of the biggest issues we have | :11:39. | :11:43. | |
seen in relation to the Trust of that the supply chain we have | :11:43. | :11:51. | |
witnessed since B S E. What the insider told Spotlight over the | :11:51. | :11:54. | |
last two weeks has cast serious doubt on the security of the horse | :11:54. | :11:58. | |
passport system, a system set up to protect consumers when it comes to | :11:59. | :12:04. | |
how horsemeat enters the human food chain. What he says would suggest | :12:04. | :12:14. | |
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that horse passports are wide open Janice is chairperson of racehorse | :12:19. | :12:25. | |
sanctuary and she says her organisation has been concerned | :12:25. | :12:30. | |
about the disposal of low-value Irish horses for several years. | :12:30. | :12:36. | |
Most of them were being shipped across the Irish Sea to be | :12:36. | :12:39. | |
slaughtered and are then most of that meat was supposed to be going | :12:39. | :12:43. | |
to the Continent. However, we knew that the people we were working | :12:43. | :12:49. | |
with, the sheer numbers who were going through these yards, and the | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
numbers of export and import figures were not matching up. Where | :12:53. | :12:57. | |
were these horses going? believes the movement of so many | :12:57. | :13:01. | |
horses was only possible because the horse passport system has been | :13:01. | :13:07. | |
abused on a massive scale. A lot of the people who it is aimed at | :13:07. | :13:12. | |
policing, basically, are laughing up their sleeve at it because they | :13:12. | :13:16. | |
know nobody in authority is really bothering themselves to check | :13:16. | :13:22. | |
passports. When we ask people if we can see a passport if they will | :13:22. | :13:26. | |
rummage in their van and they will say, what colour is it? We will | :13:26. | :13:33. | |
tell them and they have every colour and type of bogus passports | :13:33. | :13:36. | |
which they will pull out and start to complete in front of you. It is | :13:36. | :13:41. | |
a total farce. And also at the ports, why our passports not being | :13:41. | :13:48. | |
checked? People will get a lorry which pulls up and they will handle | :13:48. | :13:52. | |
-- hand over a number of passports and the tailgate will be lowered so | :13:52. | :13:57. | |
that they can do a head count of how many horses in the lorry but no | :13:57. | :14:01. | |
passport is matched up to an individual horse on that lorry. You | :14:01. | :14:06. | |
could have any horses going through with any passport and the -- the | :14:06. | :14:10. | |
passports may look legitimate but the horses are not. Our insider | :14:10. | :14:14. | |
said checks at the ports never posed a problem for him. | :14:14. | :14:20. | |
Were you ever stopped? Never. anyone ever poor you win and say | :14:20. | :14:27. | |
why are you driving back big load of horses? Never. I wanted to ask | :14:27. | :14:31. | |
the minister at the Department of Agriculture and Rural Development, | :14:31. | :14:36. | |
Michelle O'Neill, about how lax the system appeared to be. She was not | :14:36. | :14:39. | |
available but the department did put forward the chief veterinary | :14:39. | :14:47. | |
officer. The control at the port was a head count first as the horse | :14:48. | :14:55. | |
passport. Horses were not unloaded. There is no place to unload them. | :14:55. | :14:59. | |
And there is no -- it is not safe to unload them. We did the best we | :14:59. | :15:04. | |
could do. It just wasn't good enough. I'm sorry, you say it is | :15:04. | :15:09. | |
just not good enough. What I am saying is I am looking at all of | :15:09. | :15:14. | |
the ways that we might harden the system to the risk of abuse. It is | :15:14. | :15:18. | |
too late. It is never too late to harden the system. The horses are | :15:19. | :15:22. | |
gone, they may have entered the food chain. And we do not know | :15:22. | :15:31. | |
where they have gone because they it went to England. Others were | :15:31. | :15:36. | |
aware of the situation at the ports. We began to notice that there were | :15:36. | :15:40. | |
certain individuals using reports on a regular basis, sometimes three | :15:40. | :15:45. | |
or four times a week, taking horses out of this country and we could | :15:45. | :15:50. | |
not understand why. It did not make any sense. Why would people be | :15:50. | :15:58. | |
spending money moving animals which had no value? The US PCA decided to | :15:58. | :16:02. | |
mount a surveillance operation. It began with this man, Lawrence | :16:02. | :16:06. | |
McAllister, a horse trader from County Antrim who was making | :16:06. | :16:10. | |
repeated trips to the north of England with trailer loads of Irish | :16:10. | :16:15. | |
horses. When he was arrested after driving off the ferry in Scotland, | :16:15. | :16:20. | |
the team had their first major breakthrough. He decided to | :16:20. | :16:24. | |
transport animals which were unfit for Transport. The animals were | :16:25. | :16:29. | |
suffering. They were lame and could not stand on the lorry. Bay and | :16:29. | :16:35. | |
powder but Laurie. During that process they discovered 40 forged | :16:35. | :16:42. | |
Irish horse passports and a box of microchips -- they impounded for | :16:42. | :16:48. | |
the lorry. Our insider says McAllister was part of a wider | :16:48. | :16:54. | |
criminal enterprise. In fact, he was one of the ringleaders in began | :16:54. | :16:58. | |
our insider worked for, delivering horses to England which were not | :16:58. | :17:04. | |
fit for human consumption. He was one of the top men. What do you | :17:04. | :17:14. | |
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mean? He would have been in the big gang, so he would. Was he taking | :17:15. | :17:21. | |
horses from Dublin or Belfast? far as I knew, he would be taking | :17:21. | :17:27. | |
them out through the north, through Belfast. Lawrence McAllister was | :17:27. | :17:32. | |
charged with animal cruelty and told not to work with horses. He | :17:32. | :17:36. | |
did not listen. He was later stopped as a passenger in this | :17:36. | :17:41. | |
lorry in Scotland carrying two horses. The vehicle was driven by | :17:42. | :17:46. | |
this man, Kieran Murphy from South Armagh. But Murphy and McAllister | :17:46. | :17:51. | |
were not just transporting horses. Hidden in the back of the lorry was | :17:51. | :17:58. | |
a large amount of cannabis. Murphy and McAllister are now in prison in | :17:58. | :18:01. | |
Scotland. McAllister was also convicted of animal cruelty rising | :18:01. | :18:07. | |
from the charges on his previous trip to Scotland. Lawrence | :18:07. | :18:13. | |
McAllister was caught in Scotland with drugs. Were you surprised? | :18:13. | :18:18. | |
He had to do something with all the money so I suppose that is one way. | :18:18. | :18:23. | |
The conviction of the two men in Scotland showed how the conspiracy | :18:23. | :18:28. | |
was now embracing other forms of criminality but it also helped | :18:28. | :18:34. | |
solve a riddle for the US PCA investigators. Why were so many | :18:34. | :18:41. | |
low-value horses being moved to England? The answer lay in the | :18:41. | :18:45. | |
answers in the lorry, fake passports and a bag of microchips. | :18:45. | :18:50. | |
Now the investigators were able to join the dots and workout that the | :18:50. | :18:55. | |
gang were passing and documented animals off as animals which were | :18:55. | :18:58. | |
fit for human consumption. The big concern was where those animals | :18:58. | :19:04. | |
were heading. This is the Red Lion abattoir in | :19:04. | :19:09. | |
Nantwich, Cheshire. The US PCA said it became a place of interest to | :19:09. | :19:13. | |
them and their investigation about where the Irish horses were being | :19:13. | :19:18. | |
taken to for slaughter. It would also appear to be well known to our | :19:18. | :19:22. | |
insider. I am going to show you a photograph. | :19:22. | :19:26. | |
Can you tell me what this photograph is? It is the factory. | :19:26. | :19:33. | |
We drove in. What factory? The Red Lion. We drove in around the back | :19:33. | :19:38. | |
and at the back there is another intake door. We went in through the | :19:38. | :19:47. | |
back in take tours. Is up a factory you delivered horses on forged | :19:47. | :19:51. | |
passports? Yes. That should never have been slaughtered for the human | :19:51. | :19:59. | |
food chain? Yes. Our insider says he delivered horses to Red Lion | :19:59. | :20:03. | |
abattoir on multiple occasions, horses which had forged | :20:03. | :20:07. | |
documentation and some of which had been recently administered | :20:07. | :20:14. | |
phenylbutazone or bute. Red Lion confirmed they purchased horses | :20:14. | :20:18. | |
from Ireland but insist this is done it legitimately and entirely | :20:18. | :20:28. | |
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But when we asked the Food Standards Agency about who decides | :20:44. | :20:50. | |
if the passport is authentic, they told us it is the company's | :20:50. | :20:54. | |
responsibility to ensure they accept horses and passport which | :20:54. | :20:59. | |
have been identified correctly. The FSA has also confirmed to Spotlight | :20:59. | :21:03. | |
that there is an ongoing investigation into inconsistencies | :21:03. | :21:07. | |
around a number of horse passports which have been used for the | :21:07. | :21:13. | |
slaughter of horses at Red Lion. We asked how peak meat exports which | :21:13. | :21:19. | |
operates Red Lion abattoir about that investigation and there | :21:19. | :21:29. | |
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representative told us -- High Peak Spotlight understand that they | :21:45. | :21:50. | |
passports under investigation are English horse passports. Red Lion | :21:50. | :21:54. | |
to say that as far back as two years ago they did become concerned | :21:54. | :21:58. | |
about the authenticity of horse passports coming from Ireland. So | :21:58. | :22:03. | |
much so that they said they wrote to the FSA and the Department for | :22:03. | :22:07. | |
the Environment, Food end rural affairs about the issue. DEFRA and | :22:07. | :22:14. | |
the FSA confirmed they received letters in May 2007. Much has been | :22:14. | :22:19. | |
made of these letters in the press. They have been reported as Red Lion | :22:19. | :22:25. | |
blowing the whistle on the Irish horse meat problem but while they | :22:25. | :22:29. | |
do refer to issues with the Irish horse passports, much of their | :22:29. | :22:33. | |
focus is on commercial disadvantages to Red Lion, as to | :22:33. | :22:37. | |
what they see as the over-zealous enforcement of regulations in the | :22:37. | :22:42. | |
UK, as opposed to the regulatory regime in the Republic of Ireland. | :22:43. | :22:47. | |
Red Lion also say they turned away hundreds of horses, many of them | :22:47. | :22:52. | |
from Ireland, in the cases where the paperwork was inadequate. They | :22:52. | :22:58. | |
gave us a specific example of when this happened, explaining on 21st | :22:58. | :23:04. | |
February 2011, they turned away 10 horses supplied by a horse dealer | :23:04. | :23:10. | |
in County Kildare called Mailey cash. We contacted him to ask about | :23:10. | :23:16. | |
his dealings with the Red Lion's owner, Derek Turner. | :23:16. | :23:20. | |
Mailey Cash has agreed to meet me. I am on my way to meet him at a | :23:20. | :23:23. | |
horse fair. There is a specific incident we | :23:23. | :23:29. | |
have been told about in February 2011 where there was a problem with | :23:29. | :23:33. | |
the horse's passports and they were horses from yourself. Have you | :23:33. | :23:39. | |
heard about that? What do you know about it? When was that? We were | :23:39. | :23:49. | |
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told it was February 2011. Never. There was never a problem. It was | :23:50. | :23:57. | |
never a problem. And you have been doing business with him since 2011? | :23:57. | :24:03. | |
I have. When was the last time he was over to you? Cripes. It could | :24:03. | :24:10. | |
have been a month ago. I sold him 18 horses. So why did, yes, no | :24:10. | :24:16. | |
problem. As recently as that? To that is very strange. He was | :24:16. | :24:21. | |
singled out as a horse dealer whose horses were turned away from Red | :24:21. | :24:25. | |
Lion abattoir but clearly he has given a different account and what | :24:25. | :24:31. | |
is more, he says Red Lion are among his best customers and he has been | :24:31. | :24:35. | |
sending them horses up until a few weeks ago. His account of his | :24:35. | :24:40. | |
business dealings with Derek Turner, the end of Red Lion abattoir seemed | :24:40. | :24:46. | |
to be backed up by independent evidence. Last year, Hillside | :24:46. | :24:51. | |
animal-welfare charity mounted an investigation into Red Lion, | :24:51. | :24:56. | |
installing secret cameras inside the abattoir. In November 2012 they | :24:56. | :24:59. | |
filmed this footage which appears to show cruelty to horses before | :24:59. | :25:09. | |
:25:09. | :25:14. | ||
The management of Red Lion say that, whilst they do not defend any | :25:14. | :25:18. | |
breaches, these examples were the only problems identified during | :25:18. | :25:22. | |
filming, which recorded the slaughter of hundreds of horses. | :25:23. | :25:26. | |
But the animal welfare charity also wanted to know where bosses were | :25:26. | :25:34. | |
coming from, so be tracked a lorry leaving Red Lion. We filmed lorries | :25:34. | :25:38. | |
unloading courses at the abattoir, then use a clone intelligence- | :25:38. | :25:40. | |
gathering to see where those lorries were going and we found | :25:40. | :25:47. | |
they were going to a horse dealer in Ireland then coming back. They | :25:47. | :25:53. | |
were going to one South West of Dublin. The company -- the charity | :25:53. | :25:58. | |
should us the tracking data they collected, showing the horses came | :25:58. | :26:03. | |
here to County Kildare, this was a November 2012, almost a year and a | :26:03. | :26:07. | |
half after Red Lion said they had turned away horses because of | :26:07. | :26:14. | |
passport issues. We went back to Red Lion to clarify whether they | :26:14. | :26:19. | |
still have concerns about passports supplied by Mr Cash and whether | :26:19. | :26:25. | |
they still used him as a supplier. But they refused to answer any more | :26:25. | :26:32. | |
questions. The export of live horses to | :26:33. | :26:36. | |
England seems to have occurred under a passport system wide open | :26:36. | :26:41. | |
to abuse. But tonight, we can reveal that the story does not end | :26:41. | :26:46. | |
in equine abattoirs and the UK, in fact, there may have been problems | :26:46. | :26:51. | |
closer to home. To understand why, you just have to look at the | :26:51. | :26:58. | |
numbers. In the UK last year, nearly 9,500 | :26:58. | :27:03. | |
horses and officially recorded as having been slaughtered. Just under | :27:03. | :27:09. | |
4,500 of them in Red Lion abattoirs. But last year, in the Republic of | :27:09. | :27:14. | |
Ireland, almost 25,000 horses were slaughtered. When it came to | :27:14. | :27:18. | |
slaughtering courses for export into the human food chain in Europe, | :27:18. | :27:23. | |
Ireland eclipsed England by far. And every horse lot of should have | :27:23. | :27:30. | |
had a passport. -- every horse slaughtered. Meet Charlie, by now, | :27:30. | :27:34. | |
maybe the most famous horse in Ireland. Journalists from all over | :27:34. | :27:40. | |
the world have wanted to meet him, because his story gets to the heart | :27:40. | :27:44. | |
of the apparent inadequacies in the Irish passport system. Because | :27:44. | :27:53. | |
Charlie, according to his microchip and passport, is officially dead. | :27:53. | :27:57. | |
After Charlie was found wandering the streets of Longford Town, | :27:57. | :28:01. | |
Hilary Robinson from a horse sanctuary was called out to rescue | :28:01. | :28:07. | |
him. She scanned his microchip, checked official records and | :28:07. | :28:10. | |
discovered that Charlie was recorded as having been slaughtered | :28:10. | :28:20. | |
:28:20. | :28:21. | ||
for human consumption on the 24th March 1920 12. -- 2012. | :28:21. | :28:26. | |
Are you surprised this happened? Knowing what I know now, no. At the | :28:26. | :28:32. | |
time, I was surprised. We had horses that were supposed to be | :28:32. | :28:35. | |
dead that were still alive. We told the department on numerous | :28:35. | :28:40. | |
occasions about the whole passport issue problem, but it is only now | :28:40. | :28:45. | |
people are starting to take notice. Hilary believes that Charlie | :28:45. | :28:49. | |
survive for a reason. He was not large enough to be slaughtered, so | :28:49. | :28:55. | |
his passport was used for another horse. Charlie is small in stature, | :28:55. | :28:59. | |
so I am sure a heavier, worth more money, horse went down the chute to | :28:59. | :29:06. | |
be slaughtered. What do you think of the Irish horse passport system | :29:06. | :29:12. | |
caused Mark -- passport system? we say it is very loose and easy to | :29:12. | :29:18. | |
be misused. It needs to be tighter and more affordable. Would you put | :29:18. | :29:23. | |
an estimate on the number of Charlies out there, horses that | :29:23. | :29:28. | |
have been slaughtered using someone else's identity? I am sure there | :29:28. | :29:33. | |
are hundreds. We are only a small place and have found three. How | :29:33. | :29:36. | |
many more are there across the country and across Europe? | :29:36. | :29:43. | |
Hillary was told by the passport issuing authority that a horse | :29:43. | :29:48. | |
holding Charlie's passport had been recorded as having been slaughtered | :29:48. | :29:55. | |
at an abattoir. Independently, the USPCA were also concerned about | :29:55. | :30:02. | |
this company. Acting on a tip-off, they sent a surveillance team there | :30:02. | :30:06. | |
from the 28 until the 30th March last year, just a few days after | :30:06. | :30:10. | |
the horse bearing Charlie's passport has been recorded as | :30:10. | :30:14. | |
slaughtered. This video is from that surveillance operation, | :30:14. | :30:19. | |
showing a man repeatedly beating a horse to go inside the abattoir. He | :30:19. | :30:24. | |
does it again a few minutes later. When the horse resists, another man | :30:24. | :30:29. | |
appears to reverse a machine towards it. The other man then | :30:29. | :30:36. | |
ushers it inside the abattoir. We informed the company of this | :30:36. | :30:40. | |
footage and asked them to comment. The denied that any of horses had | :30:41. | :30:45. | |
been treated cruelly prior to slaughter. The County Council also | :30:45. | :30:50. | |
confirmed that a vet was pleasant - - was present at the plant on that | :30:50. | :30:53. | |
day. We told the county council about | :30:53. | :30:58. | |
this footage and asked for a comment, but it is not -- but they | :30:58. | :31:03. | |
did not respond. The council said it was not aware of any breach of | :31:03. | :31:06. | |
legislation that would give any cause of concern to the public or | :31:06. | :31:09. | |
the council. There is no evidence that of horses | :31:10. | :31:15. | |
in this footage did not have proper documentation, but there is | :31:15. | :31:18. | |
evidence that concerns had been raised last year in an e-mail to | :31:19. | :31:23. | |
the authorities in the UK about alleged issues with horse passports | :31:23. | :31:29. | |
in this company. This is the e-mail sent to DEFRA in | :31:29. | :31:34. | |
the UK last March. It was written by a whistleblower in Ireland, | :31:34. | :31:38. | |
passed it to someone associated with Red Lion abattoir. That person | :31:39. | :31:43. | |
for readied be e-mailed to DEFRA. We cannot substantiate the serious | :31:43. | :31:48. | |
allegations in his e-mail, which were passed on to the authorities | :31:48. | :31:53. | |
by someone working for a competitor, but a detailed, naming individuals | :31:53. | :31:57. | |
associated, and alleging illegal practices which the whistleblower | :31:57. | :32:02. | |
says should be investigated. We know DEFRA has received this e-mail, | :32:02. | :32:07. | |
because they have confirmed it. We asked DEFRA if they acted on this | :32:07. | :32:11. | |
e-mail. They said it would be normal practice when receiving | :32:11. | :32:16. | |
allegations of this kind for them to alert the Irish Department of | :32:16. | :32:21. | |
Agriculture. So we asked the Department of Agriculture here in | :32:21. | :32:26. | |
Dublin if they had received those allegations. They said they were | :32:26. | :32:29. | |
not aware of them, but the department told us it has | :32:29. | :32:35. | |
possession of a number of horse passports removed from the premises | :32:35. | :32:39. | |
of the alleged company and that those are being examined as part of | :32:39. | :32:44. | |
a wider examination -- investigation. The company said | :32:44. | :32:48. | |
their blood is operated in accordance with all legislation. | :32:48. | :32:51. | |
They also serve the plant is not the subject of any complaint from | :32:51. | :32:56. | |
any of the relevant authorities and denied the allegations in the e- | :32:56. | :33:01. | |
mail sent to DEFRA. Spotlight has also discovered that | :33:02. | :33:04. | |
solicitors for the company have threatened to underrate Robinson | :33:04. | :33:09. | |
with libel proceedings, because they say she has been suggesting | :33:09. | :33:14. | |
another horse was deliberately passed off as Charlie. -- Fred and | :33:14. | :33:20. | |
Hilary Robinson. They denied the company had never had any record of | :33:20. | :33:25. | |
all horse with Charlie's passport. But there was confirmation that the | :33:25. | :33:30. | |
passport was returned and there is no awareness of any circumstances | :33:30. | :33:35. | |
that would happen for any other purpose than to report -- and to | :33:35. | :33:37. | |
record the War Horse as having been slaughtered. | :33:37. | :33:43. | |
The big question, of course, is who knew about the trade of Irish or | :33:43. | :33:47. | |
Cezanne false passports and when? As we have discovered, several | :33:47. | :33:51. | |
Government agencies have been aware for longer than you might find. | :33:51. | :33:55. | |
Spotlight understands that, in November 2011, a multi-agency | :33:55. | :34:00. | |
meeting was held at Aintree Racecourse. One of the subjects | :34:00. | :34:05. | |
discussed was the problem of horse passports and the transport of low | :34:05. | :34:09. | |
Matt Duke Irish horses to English abattoirs. The meeting was attended | :34:09. | :34:15. | |
by representatives from DEFRA, the SS PCA, officials from trading | :34:16. | :34:21. | |
standards, the World Horse Welfare Trust and officials from the | :34:21. | :34:23. | |
Department of Agriculture and Rural Development in Northern Ireland. | :34:23. | :34:29. | |
The fact that horse passports more discussed would this -- were | :34:29. | :34:32. | |
discussed would suggest that as far back as two years ago all these | :34:32. | :34:38. | |
agencies knew there was a problem. To actually get all those agencies | :34:38. | :34:43. | |
into one room and talking was a major achievement by someone. | :34:43. | :34:47. | |
Secondly, it would need to be a really important issue to get of | :34:47. | :34:51. | |
those agencies together and talking at the same time. And the third | :34:51. | :34:54. | |
thing is that when that meeting was over the people leaving that | :34:54. | :34:57. | |
meeting, within their own departments, had a responsibility | :34:58. | :35:02. | |
to tidy up and check out anything alleged which fell under their | :35:02. | :35:06. | |
responsibility. We do not believe that happened and I would go so far | :35:06. | :35:12. | |
as to say nothing happened. In 2011, in Aintree, there was a | :35:12. | :35:16. | |
meeting where there were many representatives and two agencies | :35:16. | :35:20. | |
President told us the movement of low horses was discussed. -- | :35:21. | :35:26. | |
agencies present. It may have been mentioned about abattoirs, but it | :35:26. | :35:30. | |
was largely about welfare during the transfer of horses. In any | :35:30. | :35:37. | |
event, in Northern Ireland, my staff examine consignments of | :35:37. | :35:41. | |
horses leaving Northern Ireland for England and check their passport | :35:41. | :35:47. | |
and welfare. This woman says they have been aware of this issue for | :35:47. | :35:54. | |
some time, that she alerted authorities to a number of holding | :35:54. | :35:56. | |
yards where low far your horses were corralled together before | :35:56. | :36:01. | |
being moved away in lorries, she suspected, to be slaughtered for | :36:01. | :36:04. | |
human consumption. She said she alerted about the issue time and | :36:04. | :36:11. | |
time again. We contacted the Animal Health and Welfare team at the | :36:11. | :36:16. | |
Department of Agriculture. When would that have been? Around 2005- | :36:16. | :36:21. | |
2006, explaining we felt that these holding yards really did need to be | :36:21. | :36:26. | |
policed. Your first contact them at eight years ago about this problem? | :36:26. | :36:32. | |
Yes. How many times have you been on to them since? Countless times, | :36:32. | :36:38. | |
and continually told it was not there remade, -- We met, nothing to | :36:38. | :36:43. | |
do with them, they did not want to know. Why were the holding of these | :36:43. | :36:48. | |
horses? I do not know why. As I say, if I had been aware of them, or | :36:48. | :36:52. | |
made aware of them, we would have investigated this did the with | :36:52. | :37:00. | |
respect, I have a letter here written telling you about these. | :37:00. | :37:05. | |
was told in 2009 and the concern was these low value horses were | :37:05. | :37:10. | |
being moved from those holding yards to abattoirs in England or to | :37:10. | :37:14. | |
markets in England. If I had the information, and the information on | :37:14. | :37:19. | |
a letter, I would be happy if you could give that to me, and I could | :37:19. | :37:24. | |
investigate that aspect. But if I had information which would have | :37:24. | :37:27. | |
allowed me to investigate, a move would have done so. | :37:27. | :37:32. | |
So how much did the authorities in the South know? The Department of | :37:32. | :37:35. | |
Agriculture in the Republic were not part of the Aintree meeting two | :37:35. | :37:42. | |
years ago. But we understand they were made aware of the problem. | :37:42. | :37:45. | |
The Department of her culture certainly knew there was a problem | :37:45. | :37:49. | |
with Irish horses. -- Department of Agriculture. A problem with | :37:49. | :37:53. | |
movement and with the paperwork. There is no room for manoeuvre on | :37:53. | :37:59. | |
that. That was known. In the Republic, we also know of one | :37:59. | :38:01. | |
approach to the Department of Agriculture which have hard | :38:01. | :38:05. | |
evidence of wrongdoing. In fact, that approach was made by her mac | :38:05. | :38:15. | |
:38:15. | :38:17. | ||
insider. -- our insider. So you went to a department | :38:17. | :38:24. | |
official in the Republic? You told them what you were working at? Yes. | :38:24. | :38:30. | |
What did he say? To let them is clean itself up. And you went back | :38:30. | :38:37. | |
to work? I showed him, even two books with me that day. What books? | :38:37. | :38:42. | |
Dodgy horse books and he had them in his own hand. Did he keep them? | :38:42. | :38:49. | |
No, he handed them back to me. did not want to know? He did not. | :38:49. | :38:54. | |
Did you ever go back? No, why would you go back? | :38:54. | :38:58. | |
We asked the Department of Agriculture if they had any record | :38:58. | :39:02. | |
of what the insider had told them. The department has said it does not | :39:02. | :39:07. | |
comment on individual cases. We also asked on a number of occasions | :39:07. | :39:10. | |
for an interview with the Minister. The Department declined and said | :39:10. | :39:16. | |
the Minister was too busy. The horsemeat crisis began when | :39:16. | :39:21. | |
Irish officials at tested supermarket products for equine DNA. | :39:21. | :39:26. | |
It seems that some parts of that story are now coming full circle | :39:26. | :39:32. | |
back to Ireland. Checks on horse slaughtering and the export of live | :39:32. | :39:37. | |
horses are now being intensified, both north and south of the border, | :39:37. | :39:42. | |
but according to our insider, that is simply a case of shutting the | :39:42. | :39:49. |