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Tonight we seek to go behind the mask of the UVF. Almost 20 years | :00:13. | :00:18. | |
after veteran UVF man Gusty Spence announced a cease-fire. We will | :00:19. | :00:29. | |
cease all hostilities. Spotlight investigate an organisation that has | :00:30. | :00:37. | |
murdered 27 people and intimidated its community. There is a tendency | :00:38. | :00:43. | |
to dismiss this as criminality and not recognise it as politically | :00:44. | :00:49. | |
motivated and a terrorist threat. We hear from UVF whistle-blower how the | :00:50. | :00:54. | |
UVF forced the men to attend parades. We ask is enough being done | :00:55. | :01:03. | |
by the police? We cannot see any tangible sign that they are moving | :01:04. | :01:08. | |
against these individuals. We hear from a woman who says the UVF are | :01:09. | :01:12. | |
being given positions of responsibility in the community | :01:13. | :01:16. | |
while continuing their criminality. It is like the Mafia stop the Will | :01:17. | :01:21. | |
bear is to pay them and keep them quiet. -- the will of the year is to | :01:22. | :01:28. | |
pay them and keep them quiet. The brutal shooting of our young | :01:29. | :01:57. | |
woman in East Belfast. Gemma McGrath, a 24-year-old care worker, | :01:58. | :02:01. | |
is shot more than eight times, wounded in the legs and abdomen. She | :02:02. | :02:07. | |
survives, but the attack sends shock and fear through this loyalist | :02:08. | :02:12. | |
community. It was horrific. It was barbaric. The idea that the takes a | :02:13. | :02:18. | |
strong man to take a gun and shoot her in any way furthers any cause is | :02:19. | :02:26. | |
an abhorrent one. The PSNI is cheating the shooting as attempted | :02:27. | :02:29. | |
murder. The motive remains unclear. Rumours spread that it was connected | :02:30. | :02:34. | |
to drugs. Those close to Gemma McGrath rejects this. Police have | :02:35. | :02:43. | |
not said who is responsible. Police think the UVF shot Gemma McGrath. I | :02:44. | :02:49. | |
am told that is based on an intelligence assessments. I am also | :02:50. | :02:54. | |
told that there was another shooting a few days earlier. Both those | :02:55. | :03:00. | |
shootings are linked to the UVF. These attacks are the latest in a | :03:01. | :03:04. | |
string of incidents in the east of the city over the last year went to | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
the UVF. These include street disorder, attempts to kill police | :03:10. | :03:17. | |
officer 's, and the unveiling of new paramilitary murals. East Belfast | :03:18. | :03:23. | |
has come to be regarded as the most dangerous battalion of the UVF. | :03:24. | :03:27. | |
Tonight we learn more about this secretive UVF gang from a source | :03:28. | :03:32. | |
within the loyalist community who agreed to speak to us anonymously. | :03:33. | :03:38. | |
If he spoke on Canada he believed he would be shot, so we have called him | :03:39. | :03:43. | |
job, and his words are spoken by an actor. The UVF fink East Belfast is | :03:44. | :03:50. | |
theirs. They have built an empire. They are out of control. One of the | :03:51. | :03:59. | |
characteristics of them is their reputation and propensity for | :04:00. | :04:02. | |
violence. That has been demonstrated through the years by murderers and | :04:03. | :04:07. | |
attacks on their own community. They also get involved in violence at | :04:08. | :04:14. | |
interfaces. Our source says that the UVF in East Belfast uses alias | :04:15. | :04:19. | |
connections to bring in drugs. In East Belfast if you look at the | :04:20. | :04:22. | |
crimes being committed, cigarette lorries being hurt, businesses being | :04:23. | :04:30. | |
robbed, there are common threads. There are common names being | :04:31. | :04:33. | |
arrested and convicted. They are connected with the UVF. That network | :04:34. | :04:39. | |
helps distribute drugs in the community stop the UVF has become a | :04:40. | :04:45. | |
criminal enterprise. Led by criminals lining their pockets. It | :04:46. | :04:50. | |
is not about defending Ulster. They have a coherence which is different | :04:51. | :04:54. | |
from an organised crime group. They are a difficult targets to operate | :04:55. | :05:00. | |
against. John says others, including the UDA at involved in drugs in East | :05:01. | :05:07. | |
Belfast, but he insists the vast majority of drugs are brought in by | :05:08. | :05:19. | |
the UVF or controlled by them. They would pay a certain amount each | :05:20. | :05:25. | |
month to a paramilitary organisation or they will be the UVF as a | :05:26. | :05:27. | |
punishment. Spotlight has been given numerous | :05:28. | :05:38. | |
examples of threats and intimidation in East Belfast and elsewhere. UVF | :05:39. | :05:44. | |
criminal activity is nothing new, but the extent of it is. It is a | :05:45. | :05:47. | |
serious consequence of the drugs trade in particular that is raising | :05:48. | :05:53. | |
concern. Alex Bunting works with the victims | :05:54. | :05:57. | |
of drug abuse. He did not want to talk about the UVF, but did explain | :05:58. | :06:03. | |
the misery he is seeing in East Belfast. Families have had to take | :06:04. | :06:07. | |
out a day loans. They have had to sell furniture, sell jewellery, | :06:08. | :06:08. | |
out a day loans. They have had to things like that. It is terrible. | :06:09. | :06:15. | |
Some drug dealers pulled to the front door of the parents and tell | :06:16. | :06:20. | |
them that their son or daughter owes money. That drives the family into | :06:21. | :06:31. | |
despair. It is not uncommon for the pressures that drug dealers place on | :06:32. | :06:36. | |
drug users to push them towards suicide. A spate of drug deaths hit | :06:37. | :06:43. | |
East Belfast earlier this year. Spotlight understands two of those | :06:44. | :06:48. | |
who died had links to the UVF. Including this man, Alio McKenzie, a | :06:49. | :07:00. | |
close friend of Gemma McGrath. The family denies there is a link to | :07:01. | :07:07. | |
drugs, but it is understood she was under threat and left the area | :07:08. | :07:11. | |
during the summer. A decision to retire and almost cost her life. -- | :07:12. | :07:23. | |
to the turn. Loyalists commemorating deformation | :07:24. | :07:35. | |
of the original UVF in 1913. -- the formation. | :07:36. | :07:43. | |
Loyalist Winston Irving says it is purely commemorative. There is no | :07:44. | :07:50. | |
paraphernalia which would represent any contemporary conflict. This is | :07:51. | :07:54. | |
about remembering a very important aspect of history. During the | :07:55. | :08:02. | |
Troubles the UVF and the Red Hand Commando were linked to 500 murders. | :08:03. | :08:12. | |
While it has been on cease-fire since 1994 it remains an illegal | :08:13. | :08:16. | |
organisation. It did the Commission but did not fulfil a promise to | :08:17. | :08:30. | |
disband. -- it did decommission. This man has helped to negotiate | :08:31. | :08:34. | |
cease-fires. He says there is evidence the organisation is | :08:35. | :08:39. | |
recruiting a game. They are recruiting not for any military | :08:40. | :08:44. | |
purpose, but into the bands and so on. That at the same time that seems | :08:45. | :08:49. | |
to contradict the idea of stepping to contradict the idea of stepping | :08:50. | :08:53. | |
down the UVF. It cannot be doing two things. It cannot be seeing it. Down | :08:54. | :08:58. | |
the UVF as a military organisation but still recruit young men in, and | :08:59. | :09:06. | |
those young men being recruited and will have some expect nations. | :09:07. | :09:12. | |
Spotlight has spoken to a whistle-blower, then the ranks of | :09:13. | :09:17. | |
the UVF itself who says it is recruiting. To protect his identity | :09:18. | :09:21. | |
we have used an actor to reconstruct his interview. We have called him | :09:22. | :09:29. | |
Jim. At the UVF still recruiting? Yes. Parades, protests. It is a drip | :09:30. | :09:37. | |
feed over years. There are new faces at the Brian Robinson Parade. | :09:38. | :09:42. | |
Parades in honour of dead members like this one for Brian Robinson are | :09:43. | :09:48. | |
also viewed as UVF shows of strength. But according to other UVF | :09:49. | :09:53. | |
source is the size of the parades can be misleading. | :09:54. | :09:56. | |
You have told me you were forced to go on UVF parades. We did not show | :09:57. | :10:01. | |
we would get a fine of ?50, or a beating. You had no option but to | :10:02. | :10:14. | |
show. Guys were forced to miss work. Astonishingly Jim also claims that | :10:15. | :10:17. | |
many members want to leave the UVF that are not allowed to. The going | :10:18. | :10:23. | |
rate to buy yourselves out is ?3000. Hang the parades and pageantry, he | :10:24. | :10:29. | |
says some UVF leaders are desperately trying to ensure the | :10:30. | :10:34. | |
organisation remains intact. -- behind the parades and pageantry. | :10:35. | :10:41. | |
Since the cease-fire it has killed 27 people from the loyalist | :10:42. | :10:47. | |
community. The last killing was of a member of the Red Hand Commando in | :10:48. | :10:54. | |
2010. At that time this woman spoke to Spotlight about intimidation in | :10:55. | :11:02. | |
the area. If you live within these areas these guys still have control. | :11:03. | :11:08. | |
The UVF has not murdered anyone since Bobby Moffatt so has the | :11:09. | :11:12. | |
situation changed? No, I would say it has got worse. People are so | :11:13. | :11:31. | |
frightened to speak out. UVF threatened beatings continue. Some | :11:32. | :11:33. | |
victims are forced to leave the area. Do you know people up in | :11:34. | :11:41. | |
Excel? Yes, I do. How common is that? The XL would be quite common. | :11:42. | :11:47. | |
Not out of the country, but that of the area. What is not always like | :11:48. | :12:02. | |
that? No it was not. This person is a UVF victim to. Her | :12:03. | :12:09. | |
nephew, Craig McCausland, was shot dead by the group in 2005 stop no | :12:10. | :12:13. | |
one has ever been caught for the killing. She is one of the very few | :12:14. | :12:20. | |
who will still speak out against the activities of the UVF. | :12:21. | :12:28. | |
Are you afraid that by speaking out you could put yourself in a | :12:29. | :12:32. | |
vulnerable position? I am aware of that. But I feel that... I will not | :12:33. | :12:43. | |
let them stop me. I feel I owe it to Craig and his mum to speak out. It | :12:44. | :12:49. | |
is the only way I have of trying to get some sort of justice for them. | :12:50. | :12:56. | |
In East Belfast, the Alliance MP Naomi Long has lived with a death | :12:57. | :12:59. | |
threat from the UVF for nearly a year. Three weeks ago her office was | :13:00. | :13:04. | |
targeted in a bomb alert. She says she has seen a rise in the number of | :13:05. | :13:09. | |
people coming to her living with intimidation, usually from the UVF. | :13:10. | :13:18. | |
We have had people who have received threats, because they have for | :13:19. | :13:20. | |
example had a dispute with a neighbour over a trivial issue. But | :13:21. | :13:23. | |
that Labour has connections. They find themselves being intimidated in | :13:24. | :13:28. | |
their home. We have business will who come to us and say they cannot | :13:29. | :13:33. | |
do their business because their staff are being intimidated or they | :13:34. | :13:39. | |
are being intimidated. Former Lord Mayor of Belfast, Gavin Robinson, | :13:40. | :13:42. | |
says there are schools of people in the area under threat. He describes | :13:43. | :13:47. | |
the climate of fear which is created by all sorts of intimidation, and | :13:48. | :13:52. | |
not just incidents like the shooting of Gemma McGrath. Individuals are | :13:53. | :13:57. | |
having to deal with this day in, day out and they know people could | :13:58. | :14:02. | |
strike at any time, they know people are holding a grip and want to | :14:03. | :14:06. | |
maintain their grip on our community in such a dangerous and destructive | :14:07. | :14:13. | |
way. One way the UVF stamps its authority on the community is with | :14:14. | :14:17. | |
its paramilitary murals which compete for space with cultural | :14:18. | :14:23. | |
murals. A painting celebrating George Best replaced a UVF mural. | :14:24. | :14:31. | |
Last month, it was painted over with something more sinister. There has | :14:32. | :14:36. | |
been a lot of talk and publicity about the new UVF mural here in | :14:37. | :14:42. | |
Sydenham. From people I have spoken to it is obviously having a negative | :14:43. | :14:47. | |
impact on the community. But as soon as the paramilitary word is | :14:48. | :14:50. | |
mentioned, people find it very difficult to talk. Terry Hoey has | :14:51. | :14:56. | |
lived in East Belfast all his life. He did not want to discuss the UVF | :14:57. | :15:02. | |
but he admits the new mural has led to a feeling of decline in the area. | :15:03. | :15:07. | |
I look at this area and it is not what it was. Whether it is because | :15:08. | :15:13. | |
of fear, it seems all the work that has been done, all the good work | :15:14. | :15:18. | |
that has been done has been undone. You do get worried that it is going | :15:19. | :15:23. | |
to go back to the way it used to be. I hope it never goes back like | :15:24. | :15:28. | |
that and I don't think it will. I would love them just to put the | :15:29. | :15:34. | |
George Best mural back again but I know they are not going to do that! | :15:35. | :15:40. | |
The appearance of dozens of sinister looking men at the unveiling of the | :15:41. | :15:45. | |
mural in September led to frightened calls to the Alliance party office. | :15:46. | :15:51. | |
There is an issue about perception, while the UVF is able to exert | :15:52. | :15:57. | |
influence and control of the community, the fact that there is no | :15:58. | :16:01. | |
intervention creates a perception that the police are either not able | :16:02. | :16:06. | |
or not confident in being able to deal with those issues. Some victims | :16:07. | :16:14. | |
-- someone victims have been able to turn to is this man, Raymond McCord. | :16:15. | :16:20. | |
His son was murdered by the UVF in 1987. Over the years he has dealt | :16:21. | :16:25. | |
with hundreds of UVF victims. Mothers and fathers sitting at the | :16:26. | :16:33. | |
table crying. People did not want to know, it is too dangerous to speak | :16:34. | :16:39. | |
to the sort of people they are told. During this programme I have heard | :16:40. | :16:49. | |
from a dozen people who are too scared to talk to the police about | :16:50. | :16:53. | |
the intimidation they are suffering. In virtually all have expressed a | :16:54. | :16:57. | |
lack of trust in the police or no confidence that they will take | :16:58. | :17:01. | |
perception, right or wrong, is that perception, right or wrong, is that | :17:02. | :17:06. | |
the police have turned a blind eye to a lot of UVF activity or not | :17:07. | :17:12. | |
fully confronted it. I push these issues with police and I cannot see | :17:13. | :17:17. | |
a need tangible sign that they are moving against these individuals. It | :17:18. | :17:20. | |
is not good enough that these people feel they no longer have recourse | :17:21. | :17:27. | |
with the PSNI. In a bid to keep the peace, police talk to UVF community | :17:28. | :17:32. | |
workers to try to prevent scenes like this in January. Naomi Long | :17:33. | :17:39. | |
warns this is further undermining confidence in the police. If they | :17:40. | :17:43. | |
see the police talking to some of these individuals, who are the cause | :17:44. | :17:45. | |
see the police talking to some of of their fear, and they are | :17:46. | :17:48. | |
therefore worried that by sharing that information with the police, | :17:49. | :17:52. | |
they may make themselves more vulnerable. I have no evidence that | :17:53. | :17:59. | |
that is the case but I understand why that does not reassure many of | :18:00. | :18:03. | |
my constituents, who are fearful that that relationship is to close. | :18:04. | :18:10. | |
It is proper that we do engage in conversations, that we tell people | :18:11. | :18:14. | |
what is going on with the perception that this allows people to have a | :18:15. | :18:19. | |
free hand is completely wrong. The PSNI says it is tackling the UVF in | :18:20. | :18:25. | |
East Belfast and points out the convictions of the group's members | :18:26. | :18:29. | |
are usually for ordinary crime and so not reported as UVF activity. | :18:30. | :18:35. | |
But it is not just over policing that the UVF is perceived to have | :18:36. | :18:39. | |
some official role in the community. Our source John says trees have | :18:40. | :18:44. | |
forcefully taken over community groups and have cosy relations with | :18:45. | :18:48. | |
hall editions and churchmen. He claims they are crowding out | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
ordinary people who are being silenced. At every level, | :18:54. | :19:00. | |
paramilitary organisations have influenced from the grassroots up. | :19:01. | :19:04. | |
If you are a member of the community in East Belfast, and you are part of | :19:05. | :19:10. | |
a group which focuses on community safe safety audit district | :19:11. | :19:19. | |
policing, and you go to a meeting and see a paramilitary sitting | :19:20. | :19:28. | |
around a table. This is the public face of Winston Winkie Irvine. Here | :19:29. | :19:33. | |
he is at the parades stand-off sharing the platform with the Orange | :19:34. | :19:38. | |
order. Orange man Billy Mawhinney threatens a campaign of civil | :19:39. | :19:41. | |
disobedience unless the 12th of March is allowed to complete its | :19:42. | :19:46. | |
journey home. Here he is speaking about a dissident pipe on attack | :19:47. | :19:51. | |
earlier this year. There are people who are still intent to use violence | :19:52. | :19:57. | |
and bombs to try and pursue up political agenda. He also has a | :19:58. | :20:01. | |
variety of positions on community organisations, many of which entail | :20:02. | :20:06. | |
him working closely with the PSNI. He appears to be a pillar of the | :20:07. | :20:11. | |
Loyalist community. But Cathy McIlvenny says she believes Mr | :20:12. | :20:16. | |
Irvine also have another role. He is a commander of the UVF. Cathy says | :20:17. | :20:22. | |
she first came to know of Mr Irvine's role in the UVF because she | :20:23. | :20:28. | |
dealt with him as the UVF man who ordered a punishment shooting of her | :20:29. | :20:34. | |
nephew Craig in 2000 two. He came into my home as a UVF representative | :20:35. | :20:38. | |
and I knew they were taking Craig out to shoot him. Spotlight has | :20:39. | :20:46. | |
spoken to a dozen people who have also told us they know Mr Irvine is | :20:47. | :20:55. | |
a senior UVF man. Including our whistle-blower Jim. Winkie Irvine is | :20:56. | :21:06. | |
commander of the company. It turns my stomach to see him as the PU P | :21:07. | :21:10. | |
spokesman because I know what history he has. Jim recalls him at a | :21:11. | :21:16. | |
meeting shortly after the murder of Bobby Moffat in 2010. He says | :21:17. | :21:22. | |
rumours that they were being stood down were quickly quashed by Winkie | :21:23. | :21:31. | |
Irvine. We were going to get our P 45s. We were going to be let go. | :21:32. | :21:38. | |
That was quickly put to bed. What happened at that meeting? The next | :21:39. | :21:42. | |
thing that happened is the be company commander got on the stage | :21:43. | :21:46. | |
and said, you think you are here for your pipe and slippers, you are not. | :21:47. | :21:53. | |
What you take that to mean? No one is going anywhere. The allocation | :21:54. | :21:59. | |
that Irvine is the commander of the company has been frequently | :22:00. | :22:03. | |
reported. Nevertheless, he was appointed to the releasing | :22:04. | :22:09. | |
partnership, an appointment Cathy McIlvenny objects to. To me, | :22:10. | :22:14. | |
policing partnership should not have a paramilitary sitting on it. The | :22:15. | :22:21. | |
ordinary person on the street cannot complain because you're going to the | :22:22. | :22:25. | |
paramilitary is to complain. Cathy has complained to the policing board | :22:26. | :22:30. | |
about that appointment. She wants to know how the man was allowed on the | :22:31. | :22:33. | |
partnership because all appointments are vetted by the police. The answer | :22:34. | :22:41. | |
to that is they sign an oath not to take part in criminality or | :22:42. | :22:45. | |
paramilitary activity and they did not promote by deed or action any | :22:46. | :22:52. | |
paramilitary group. The police a vetting the membership of policing | :22:53. | :22:55. | |
partnerships is not a matter for them. The police and community | :22:56. | :23:02. | |
safety partnerships are one of the bodies that the policing board has a | :23:03. | :23:07. | |
direct responsibility for. The police service did not have | :23:08. | :23:10. | |
responsibility for either the formation the running of those. | :23:11. | :23:19. | |
Obviously, we attend but it belongs to the policing board. The policing | :23:20. | :23:23. | |
board said independent members of the partnerships are pointed in line | :23:24. | :23:27. | |
with the Justice code of practice. As the policing partnership member, | :23:28. | :23:32. | |
Mr Irvine is pledged not to support by word or deed any terrorist | :23:33. | :23:41. | |
organisation. Yet, Cathy McIlvenny and our whistle-blower are adamant | :23:42. | :23:46. | |
that he is commander of a UVF company which is still active and | :23:47. | :23:50. | |
still recruiting members. Since his appointment last year, he has | :23:51. | :23:57. | |
attended UVF parades and this Alston covenant commemoration, in the | :23:58. | :24:00. | |
company of individuals widely reported to be senior UVF figures. | :24:01. | :24:07. | |
Here he is at those celebrations. He says these are historical | :24:08. | :24:11. | |
commemorations but he is leading a group of Shankill men and beside him | :24:12. | :24:17. | |
two men who are regularly reported to be senior UVF commanders, Joe | :24:18. | :24:25. | |
McCaw and Harry Stockman. Spotlight wrote to Irvine, Stockman and | :24:26. | :24:29. | |
McCaw, along with a close associate, this man, John Bunter | :24:30. | :24:34. | |
Graham who has been reported on many occasions to be the leader of the | :24:35. | :24:39. | |
UVF. In solicitors' letters to the BBC, all four men deny ever being | :24:40. | :24:44. | |
UVF members. In his letter Mr Irvine said, the allegation that he is a | :24:45. | :24:49. | |
company commander is proposed us. He said he had never been a member of | :24:50. | :24:54. | |
an illegal organisation. But that claim is at odds with this | :24:55. | :25:01. | |
photograph of him in the early 1990s, or walking in a UVF colour | :25:02. | :25:08. | |
party. In his left hand he is carrying a wreath on behalf of the | :25:09. | :25:12. | |
UVF. Indeed, allegations of the role of all of these men in the UVF have | :25:13. | :25:17. | |
been well documented in reports over several years. Harry stop and is | :25:18. | :25:24. | |
seen here at the announcement of UVF decommissioning in 2009 -- Harry | :25:25. | :25:30. | |
Stockman. It is reported he read the organisation's disarmament | :25:31. | :25:33. | |
statement. This is John Bunter Graham, in a picture from the 1970s, | :25:34. | :25:38. | |
with his fellow members of the UVF in the Shankhill. Along with him is | :25:39. | :25:43. | |
the infamous Shankhill Butcher Lenny Murphy. Spotlight has a sworn | :25:44. | :25:51. | |
affidavit from a former detective who says he has long known Graham, | :25:52. | :25:59. | |
Stockman and McCaw as UVF men and we have two affidavits from individuals | :26:00. | :26:01. | |
prepared to name Irvine as a UVF commander. For Cathy, Winston Irvine | :26:02. | :26:07. | |
is a prime example of how someone she believes to be a paramilitary is | :26:08. | :26:11. | |
allowed officially sanctioned power and influence in the community while | :26:12. | :26:14. | |
she says continuing to be a UVF and influence in the community while | :26:15. | :26:20. | |
leader. It is like the Mafia. There is no will to bring these guys | :26:21. | :26:23. | |
down. The will is to pay them to keep quiet and make it look like on | :26:24. | :26:32. | |
the surface that everyone is living in peace. The ordinary people still | :26:33. | :26:35. | |
respect the police and law and order. What they do not respect is a | :26:36. | :26:39. | |
cover-up. They do not respect the UVF being treated on a par with | :26:40. | :26:44. | |
politicians because they know the paramilitary 's are still the | :26:45. | :26:48. | |
criminal elements which are running crime in their area. Over the last | :26:49. | :26:53. | |
12 months, the UVF leaders who were supposed to have gone away have not | :26:54. | :26:58. | |
just being a policing and community issue but a political problem as | :26:59. | :27:01. | |
well. Increasingly, they have brought their politics to the | :27:02. | :27:05. | |
street, with a declaration of intent on the first night of the flags | :27:06. | :27:11. | |
protest which began at City Hall. They did hijack the flags protest. I | :27:12. | :27:15. | |
was there on the night of December the 3rd. The impact of the protests | :27:16. | :27:20. | |
and the trouble that followed was immense. Belfast traders lost over | :27:21. | :27:25. | |
?50 million and the policing bill topped ?22 million. Once again, East | :27:26. | :27:31. | |
Belfast UVF were named as prime movers in the trouble. Senior | :27:32. | :27:38. | |
members of the UVF in east Belfast have been increasingly orchestrating | :27:39. | :27:42. | |
some of this violence, not with the collective endorsement of the UVF | :27:43. | :27:46. | |
per se. While the flags protests have died down, the focus has turned | :27:47. | :27:54. | |
to parades. Our source inside the UVF says his experience is the UVF | :27:55. | :27:58. | |
as an organisation is involved in flags and parades protests, at times | :27:59. | :28:05. | |
ordering members to take part. It is common knowledge they force people | :28:06. | :28:12. | |
to go. They do not have a choice. I have personally seen guys that flag | :28:13. | :28:16. | |
protests who for a long time want out of the UVF. For them to be at | :28:17. | :28:22. | |
the flags protest, it was bizarre as to why they would be there. The | :28:23. | :28:28. | |
group Raymond McCord setup to help victims has closed down, due to lack | :28:29. | :28:35. | |
of funding. Meanwhile, the UVF continue to terrorise Loyalist | :28:36. | :28:38. | |
communities. More people will die, more people will lose their homes, | :28:39. | :28:44. | |
more young people will beaten. It will not stop. People are very | :28:45. | :28:48. | |
nervous and very uncertain about the future and what the role of the UVF | :28:49. | :28:53. | |
can be in the future. If they want to move forward and be productive | :28:54. | :28:57. | |
members of society, they do it on the basis that everyone else does it | :28:58. | :29:03. | |
and that is as an individual, with no records to violence. Unless that | :29:04. | :29:08. | |
line is very clearly drawn, I think we have serious problems going | :29:09. | :29:14. | |
forward. Two decades after the UVF leadership told us the union is | :29:15. | :29:18. | |
safe, the question must be asked, safe for whom? | :29:19. | :29:25. |