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'Tonight, we investigate the housing scams | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
'that are denying the homeless a place to live | 0:00:07 | 0:00:09 | |
'and costing us millions of pounds.' | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
How much benefit were you being paid for this empty house? | 0:00:11 | 0:00:14 | |
It was about £300 a month. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:16 | |
'We reveal that thousands of houses lie empty across Northern Ireland | 0:00:16 | 0:00:20 | |
'as families struggle to get a roof over their head.' | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
I just can't cope any more - | 0:00:23 | 0:00:25 | |
the amount of stress that we're under as a family... | 0:00:25 | 0:00:28 | |
'It's a fraud that's been around for decades | 0:00:29 | 0:00:31 | |
'but officially didn't exist.' | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
Might it be that the Housing Executive | 0:00:33 | 0:00:35 | |
hasn't addressed this in the past | 0:00:35 | 0:00:36 | |
because they might not have liked what they found? | 0:00:36 | 0:00:39 | |
I don't accept that. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:40 | |
'But we've found an insider who says if the fraud was tackled, | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
'it would go a long way to solving the housing shortage.' | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
I don't think there's a housing crisis. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:48 | |
If the Housing Executive would follow up their empty homes, | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
people that aren't living in them, and on housing benefit fraud, | 0:00:51 | 0:00:55 | |
I think the housing crisis would go. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:56 | |
Experts are claiming that we are in a housing crisis, | 0:01:16 | 0:01:20 | |
that there are not enough social houses for families. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
We currently have about 40,000 people on our waiting lists. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:25 | |
-REPORTER: -Longer waiting lists and more homeless. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:29 | |
A housing crisis in the making. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
So we do have a housing crisis. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:32 | |
It's accumulated over a number of years | 0:01:32 | 0:01:34 | |
and it will take a number of years to fix it. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:36 | |
'They're trying to fix it by building new houses. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
'Last year, £200 million of public money | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
'was spent building estates like this one in Londonderry.' | 0:01:42 | 0:01:46 | |
So, what, this is a three-bedroom house? | 0:01:46 | 0:01:48 | |
This is a typical three-bedroom house. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:50 | |
'The demand for homes like these is huge, | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
'but we're told we're only building half of what we need every year | 0:01:53 | 0:01:57 | |
'simply to keep the waiting list as it is.' | 0:01:57 | 0:02:00 | |
'But is the only solution to build more and more houses?' | 0:02:00 | 0:02:04 | |
We've discovered that there could be enough homes out there already | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
to house thousands of families. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
But they can't get them | 0:02:11 | 0:02:12 | |
because they're being occupied by fraudsters. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
Tenancy fraud is the biggest council scam in England and Wales, | 0:02:15 | 0:02:19 | |
costing £1.8 billion every year. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:23 | |
But yet nobody in Northern Ireland has even looked for it...until now. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:28 | |
Tenancy fraud wasn't coming up on the agendas of board meetings | 0:02:29 | 0:02:34 | |
at the Housing Executive or in housing associations. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
No cases were being reported to me, | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
yet we knew from England and Wales that there was a huge problem. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:47 | |
It's the Auditor General's job | 0:02:48 | 0:02:50 | |
to make sure the taxpayer isn't taken for a ride. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
'He was convinced the fraud was happening here, too. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
'So he took the figures for England and Wales | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
'and came up with some startling conclusions | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
'about the scale of the fraud here.' | 0:03:03 | 0:03:04 | |
2,500 properties locally are illegally occupied. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:11 | |
That's equivalent to £200 million of housing stock. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:16 | |
The Auditor General says his estimate | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
of illegally occupied properties is conservative, | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
so the figure for the money being wasted | 0:03:22 | 0:03:24 | |
could climb to over 200 million. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:26 | |
For over a decade, Darran Keenan, | 0:03:29 | 0:03:30 | |
his partner, Sharon, and their three children | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
have been battling for a place to call home. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
They are one of 40,000 households queuing up for a permanent home. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
-We've moved 13 times in... -The last 12 years. -Yeah. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:45 | |
Families in the private rented sector | 0:03:45 | 0:03:47 | |
frequently have to take short-term lets. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
In fact, a third of them move on in less than a year. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
We moved into properties | 0:03:54 | 0:03:56 | |
and I've literally just finished decorating. | 0:03:56 | 0:03:58 | |
The wallpaper wasn't even dry and we've had to move out. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
It is so stressful. You can't even... | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
I just feel physically sick whenever I have to move again. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
There's a bungalow in Portstewart for...550. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:14 | |
And they'll soon be moving for a 14th time | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
as the landlord told them three months ago | 0:04:17 | 0:04:19 | |
they'll have to move out of their rented home in Castlerock. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
We've been looking for a house since we were told at Christmas, | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
but there's just nothing, nothing the size we need. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
Sharon developed fibromyalgia, | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
a condition that causes pain all over her body | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
and means that she is unable to work. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
The couple have two boys - Ethan, aged 12 and Keith, eight - | 0:04:37 | 0:04:41 | |
and one girl, Kayleigh, aged six. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:43 | |
What's the worst thing about moving you hate? | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
Moving schools and not having any friends | 0:04:45 | 0:04:49 | |
because I can't have any friends because I make friends | 0:04:49 | 0:04:51 | |
and then I just end up leaving them and going away. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
I've been in begging. | 0:04:57 | 0:04:58 | |
I've been round farmhouses, | 0:04:58 | 0:05:00 | |
begging farmers to let me live in their old abandoned houses, | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
just to have a home for my family. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:04 | |
I never thought this is where we'd end up 12 years ago, | 0:05:04 | 0:05:08 | |
still in the same position, still private renting | 0:05:08 | 0:05:10 | |
and moving from house to house. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:12 | |
Families who play by the rules | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
are being denied a home by those who cheat the system. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:20 | |
The biggest scandal | 0:05:22 | 0:05:23 | |
is when the fraudsters don't even use the homes they steal. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
Dole drops are the classic example. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
They use the address to access and cheat the benefit system. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
This fraud has been around for decades, | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
but yet it has never been recorded by the Housing Executive | 0:05:35 | 0:05:39 | |
and they do have a duty to report all fraud to the auditor. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:43 | |
When I was going through my inbox last year, | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
I didn't have a single case of tenancy fraud reported to me. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:51 | |
So as far as the official figures went, tenancy fraud didn't exist? | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
Yes. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:56 | |
-That's astonishing, isn't it? -It is quite astonishing. | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
So, with no proper records, how can we begin to uncover | 0:06:01 | 0:06:05 | |
the true scale of what has been going on? | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
We needed to talk to someone who has front-line experience | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
of dealing with housing scams. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
In Derry, we found a man who used to have reports of suspected fraud | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
in his inbox nearly every day. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:21 | |
In the district I worked in, I managed 3,000 properties. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
The maintenance officers used to come back to me | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
and they used to say, "Kevin... | 0:06:27 | 0:06:28 | |
"..there's nobody in these houses. What will we do?" | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
'Kevin Barrett spent 30 years | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
'working as a maintenance manager for the Housing Executive. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
'He was unfairly dismissed | 0:06:38 | 0:06:39 | |
'as a result of matters not related to this issue | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
'and received a substantial settlement. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
'This is the first time he has spoken on camera | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
'about the scale of the fraud he witnessed.' | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
You could see the properties that were not being properly lived in. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:54 | |
You know, you could see that the windows weren't... | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
There was condensation on the windows. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
There were net curtains that were never opened, | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
post in the letter box, gardens that weren't kept. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
While the social sector has been losing homes because of fraud, | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
private landlords have been cashing in on the housing shortage. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:13 | |
They've been busy filling up their homes | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
with those families on the waiting list, | 0:07:15 | 0:07:17 | |
and all at a massive cost to the taxpayer. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
The rent is paid from the public purse | 0:07:23 | 0:07:25 | |
through housing benefit. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
In England, 25% of private rented homes | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
are paid for by the taxpayer. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:32 | |
But in Northern Ireland, that figure is more than double. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
Here, 60% of all private rented properties | 0:07:35 | 0:07:39 | |
is paid for with housing benefit. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
It has fuelled the private rented sector | 0:07:42 | 0:07:44 | |
and it's certainly fuelled it in the last 10-15 years. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
Paddy Gray is a professor of housing at the University of Ulster. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
He says many private landlords | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
couldn't survive without housing benefit. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
Many landlords would've said they relied | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
on housing benefit payments because, at the end of the day, | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
housing benefit is paid directly to the landlord | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
as guaranteed income, and it's steady income. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
So what does propping up 60% of the private rental sector cost us? | 0:08:07 | 0:08:13 | |
Spotlight has discovered £250 million of public money | 0:08:13 | 0:08:18 | |
is going into the pockets of private landlords every year. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
What are we getting for that £250 million? | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
The vast majority of private rented accommodation is fit for purpose, | 0:08:27 | 0:08:31 | |
but some tenants are ashamed of where they live. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
Hello, how are you? | 0:08:41 | 0:08:42 | |
'Jean Kennedy and her partner and six children | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
'have been renting this house in Belfast for the last four years.' | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
-A bit of an accident here? -No - that was like that when we moved in. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
'As the four-bedroom house is in an expensive area, | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
'the landlord is getting £600 a month in housing benefit. | 0:08:55 | 0:09:00 | |
'While her partner took the kids to school, | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
'Jean showed me what they were getting for the money.' | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
What is happening up here? | 0:09:06 | 0:09:07 | |
When the weather gets really bad outside | 0:09:07 | 0:09:09 | |
and we get the really heavy rain, | 0:09:09 | 0:09:11 | |
that all drips down and it all comes down here | 0:09:11 | 0:09:13 | |
and goes into this bucket. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
When is the last time you emptied that? | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
Probably just two days ago. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:18 | |
Have you told the landlord? Has he seen this for himself? | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
Yes, he's seen this. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:23 | |
He said he'd come out and fix it, but, as of yet, nothing. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
He doesn't seem bothered by it, | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
to my knowledge. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:30 | |
He doesn't seem to do anything about it. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:32 | |
He'll say he'll come out and fix it, but nothing ever seems to happen. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
'There's been steady progress | 0:09:37 | 0:09:39 | |
'on improving housing conditions here. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
'But despite that, the last Housing Executive Survey | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
'found that, for the first time in over 40 years, | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
'there's been a rise in unfit dwellings | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
'in both the public and private sector.' | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
I don't think I've ever seen damp quite like this. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:55 | |
-It really is a serious problem, and in such a small room. -Yes. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
I try and clean it, but it just comes back again | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
so it's pointless. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
Have you reported this, too? | 0:10:02 | 0:10:03 | |
This is something the owners are aware of? | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
Yes, uh-huh. They've seen the state of it. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
And they're happy for their tenants to survive like this? | 0:10:09 | 0:10:11 | |
They must be, because they haven't bothered to fix it. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
'The damp's partly because the boiler's broken | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
'and the family say they've been without heat for years.' | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
'Two of Jean's daughters share this single bed in the front room | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
'and the three boys sleep on a sofa and two mattresses next door.' | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
-Is there a draft coming through there? -Yes, it is very cold. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
I also think the mice come through there. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:36 | |
Well, you can see the holes. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:37 | |
The holes are big enough for mice to come through. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
If you look behind... | 0:10:40 | 0:10:41 | |
Look at the stuff that's lying behind it. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
You have bits of wall that's fallen off. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
Is that a bit of masonry off the wall? | 0:10:46 | 0:10:48 | |
It really is a bit of a nightmare. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:50 | |
-It is. Are your boys happy to sleep in a room like this? -No. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:54 | |
They ask me all the time can they bring friends back | 0:10:54 | 0:10:56 | |
and I say, "No, you can't." | 0:10:56 | 0:10:57 | |
Because of the shame of it all? | 0:10:59 | 0:11:01 | |
SHE SOBS | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
That's OK. Take a minute. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
This is costing £600 every month | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
for the privilege of you and your family living in these conditions. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
Uh-huh. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:17 | |
-£600 for this? -Yeah - it's not worth it. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
We spend £250 million housing people like Jean and her family | 0:11:23 | 0:11:28 | |
in private accommodation because the authorities say | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
they can't find a permanent home for them. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:33 | |
But is that really the case? | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
There are lots of empty Housing Executive properties | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
which could become homes. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:40 | |
And one reason we know that | 0:11:42 | 0:11:44 | |
is that we've spent an afternoon with this man. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:46 | |
His job is to travel around Northern Ireland | 0:11:46 | 0:11:48 | |
checking if houses are occupied. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:50 | |
He works for the electricity company, Budget Energy. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
Empty homes on their patch cost them money. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
It takes the same amount of resources to administrate | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
a house spending £5 a month | 0:12:04 | 0:12:06 | |
as opposed to a house using normal usage. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
So it's a very expensive prospect for us | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
to have a lot of houses that are empty | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
as part of our customer base. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
Today, he's working in Belfast. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
Because he does a sensitive job, he asked us to protect his identity. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:23 | |
And within an hour we came across our first empty property. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:32 | |
It wasn't long before we found another one. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:43 | |
And, like the other property, | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
there's been little or no electricity used. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:56 | |
'We came across three empty Housing Executive properties | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
'in the space of a few hours. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
'We don't know why they were empty, | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
'but two of them were registered as having tenants. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:37 | |
'So why couldn't they be used | 0:13:37 | 0:13:39 | |
'to house families on the waiting list? | 0:13:39 | 0:13:41 | |
'And how many more could there be out there?' | 0:13:41 | 0:13:43 | |
You've been doing this job for about three weeks. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
How many vacant, empty properties have you come across? | 0:13:47 | 0:13:51 | |
About 170 - 160, 170. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:53 | |
-In the space of three weeks? -Yeah. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
I was actually quite shocked. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:00 | |
He discovered 170 empty homes | 0:14:00 | 0:14:02 | |
which looks like it's the tip of the iceberg. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:04 | |
While electricity companies have this information, | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
what's extraordinary is the Housing Executive don't. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
What's more amazing is that they're not even allowed | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
to ask the electricity companies for these details. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
Utility providers are now private companies. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:21 | |
So our ability to formally exchange | 0:14:21 | 0:14:23 | |
data-sharing provisions has changed. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
Is it not as simple as picking up the telephone | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
and contacting them, saying, "Give us the list"? | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
Legally, it's not that simple. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:33 | |
What you're looking to do is share private information | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
about one individual with another. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:37 | |
So, that list of 170 empty properties | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
will remain beyond the reach of the Housing Executive | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
and all the while the real victims of tenancy fraud, | 0:14:45 | 0:14:49 | |
those families on the waiting list, are left in limbo. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
Jean desperately wants to be rehoused. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
She feels like she's slipped through the system as, officially, | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
her family aren't even on the waiting list. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:03 | |
An environmental officer inspected her home last year | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
due to concerns over rubbish and mice infestation. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
We wanted to get an expert opinion on the damp and mould, | 0:15:13 | 0:15:17 | |
so we brought in our own environmental officer. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
There's a lot of blackness in here, a lot of damp in here. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
What's caused that? | 0:15:25 | 0:15:27 | |
Those, to me, are indicative of a condensation problem | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
and potential microbial growth - moulds, fungi - | 0:15:30 | 0:15:34 | |
growing as a result of damp conditions on those surfaces. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
But it's the children's room that is the most concerning. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:42 | |
If it were me, I would be worried if I had children sleeping in here. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:49 | |
There are World Health Organisation guidelines | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
which highlight microbial pollution - | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
microbial pollution simply means indoor air | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
that's polluted with bacteria, fungi or moulds - | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
can be detrimental to people's health. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
And we see evidence of that here? | 0:16:02 | 0:16:04 | |
There certainly, at a stage, has been microbial pollution in here. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:11 | |
'We did ask Jean's acting landlord about the state of the house. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:16 | |
'He says the family never asked to get the heating fixed | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
'and, now that he knows, he will sort the boiler out. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
'He also claims that many of the problems in the house | 0:16:22 | 0:16:25 | |
'were caused by the family and their lifestyle.' | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
For Darran and his family in Castlerock, | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
the thought of having to move a 14th time is too much. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:37 | |
We're crying out for a home. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:39 | |
We desperately want a home for us and our kids, | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
to grow up in and be happy in. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:43 | |
The family are facing homelessness. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:47 | |
As another departure deadline looms, the strain is starting to show. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:51 | |
-TEARFULLY: -I just can't cope any more. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
The amount of stress that we're under as a family, | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
deep down, I'm hurting inside. | 0:16:57 | 0:16:59 | |
-SOBBING: -Sorry. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:02 | |
It's just going to take one more thing | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
to finally put me over the edge | 0:17:08 | 0:17:09 | |
because it is getting like that. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
It's just...where the system doesn't pick up, | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
then somebody picks up, you know? | 0:17:17 | 0:17:18 | |
And it's left to... | 0:17:18 | 0:17:20 | |
I have to try to smooth things over and make things right, and I can't. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
Despite what you might think, when it comes to getting a house, | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
the homeless are not always top of the list. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
Houses here are allocated on a points system. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
The amount of points you get depends on your circumstances. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
If you have to share a bath or a shower, | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
well, that's worth five points. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
And if the house you're in is showing serious signs of disrepair, | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
like this, for example... | 0:17:53 | 0:17:55 | |
Well, that only gets you ten points. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
And if you really want to rack up the points, | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
you need to be like our family in Castlerock. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
They're about to be made homeless | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
and for that, they get an extra 70 points. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:07 | |
But even that won't guarantee them a home. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
But the biggest mover in the points system, | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
the one thing which can catapult you right to the top of the queue, | 0:18:14 | 0:18:18 | |
leapfrogging even the homeless, | 0:18:18 | 0:18:20 | |
is intimidation. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:22 | |
That gets you 200 points | 0:18:22 | 0:18:23 | |
and we found several examples of that here in Derry. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
When alleged threats are made, | 0:18:30 | 0:18:32 | |
the Housing Executive try to make sure they are not being conned. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:36 | |
But the stakes are so high, | 0:18:36 | 0:18:37 | |
they can't afford to make the wrong call. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
When you get into a situation | 0:18:40 | 0:18:41 | |
where someone presents as being intimidated - | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
they've had a bullet through the post | 0:18:44 | 0:18:46 | |
or graffiti sprayed on the walls - | 0:18:46 | 0:18:47 | |
to them, the threat is real and it's live. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:50 | |
You've got to balance the risk with that family | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
about doing nothing and then suffer the consequences. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
So we are on the cautious side. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
Almost 1,800 people have been given a new home here | 0:18:58 | 0:19:01 | |
over the past five years because of intimidation. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
It's on the increase, and last year alone | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
some 411 people were rehoused. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
And we know that many of those threats | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
have been made by dissident republican paramilitaries. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
But we've found out that two dissidents in Derry | 0:19:19 | 0:19:23 | |
have been given brand-new homes | 0:19:23 | 0:19:25 | |
after claiming they themselves were intimidated. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:28 | |
Normally, those under threat go to the police. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
But not in these cases. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:32 | |
Instead, Rosemount Resource Centre helped verify the threats. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:36 | |
It's run by this man, Thomas McCourt. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
The individual concerned | 0:19:40 | 0:19:41 | |
had been stabbed in his own bed, had been shot | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
by an individual with a pellet gun. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
The other individual had been accused of being involved | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
in a particular incident locally. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:52 | |
We did our best to find out was there a serious paramilitary threat | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
and we couldn't ascertain that there was, | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
but there certainly was... | 0:19:58 | 0:19:59 | |
He was certainly in a considerable amount trouble. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
Who's making these threats against dissident republicans? | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
Because the only paramilitaries operating in this city | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
ARE dissident republicans. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:08 | |
We can't ascertain the threats. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:10 | |
I have yet to find a threat to a dissident republican | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
which has been authenticated from a dissident republican organisation. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:17 | |
Some of those who say they're under threat, | 0:20:17 | 0:20:19 | |
they haven't moved that far away - they haven't left the city, | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
they've gone to neighbouring estates. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:24 | |
Surely if they feel under threat, they would move much further. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:26 | |
It's not up to me to dictate where people move or don't move. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
But some believe this system is wide open to abuse. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
You can imagine law-abiding, hard-pressed, | 0:20:36 | 0:20:38 | |
top-of-the-waiting-list applicants saying, | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
"Why should I go through all the normal protocols | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
"that are open to everyone else | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
"and a small number of people can bypass all this?" | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
"And if they fabricate an intimidation case, | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
"they can be allocated a property I should have." | 0:20:53 | 0:20:55 | |
I can understand the outrage and anger | 0:20:55 | 0:20:57 | |
that would exist among people like that. | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
What should we do? Go back to 1969, where you start saying | 0:20:59 | 0:21:03 | |
that we will assess people's politics before we help them? | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
Some people might say this is a handy scam to get a house. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
Somebody knows you, comes to you, says they're being threatened. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
-Lo and behold, they get a house. -No. It's not a scam. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:14 | |
I'm not saying there mightn't be people out there | 0:21:14 | 0:21:16 | |
who may think, "This is a good idea, it might get me a house." | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
Look, you know, we're not naive enough | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
to believe nobody would do a thing like that. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:24 | |
But if you're asking is it some sort of scam, | 0:21:24 | 0:21:26 | |
as in an organised process which is recognisable, | 0:21:26 | 0:21:30 | |
which is used to get people housing, it's not. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:32 | |
Who does and doesn't get houses will always be an emotive issue, | 0:21:35 | 0:21:39 | |
especially when we're told there is such a shortage. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
But there are those who see houses | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
simply as a way of conning the system | 0:21:45 | 0:21:47 | |
and making huge sums of money. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:49 | |
We've come across a scam | 0:21:52 | 0:21:53 | |
where loyalist paramilitaries are conspiring with rogue landlords | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
to cash in on the benefits system. | 0:21:57 | 0:21:59 | |
It's a guaranteed monthly income | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
with little chance of getting caught. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:03 | |
We found one landlord who told us how easy it is to scam the system. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:08 | |
He's concerned for his safety and so he asked us to protect his identity. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:12 | |
He bought a buy-to-let investment property | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
in the Village area of Belfast. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:17 | |
He was immediately on the radar of the paramilitaries | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
who controlled that patch. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
Shortly after I was renting it out, | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
I was approached by someone I knew locally. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
They told me that once a month, it would be better | 0:22:27 | 0:22:29 | |
if I would drop some money into a local pub, which I did. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
-How much are we talking about? -£40 a month. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
What was that money for? | 0:22:35 | 0:22:36 | |
It was never really clearly stated by them, | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
but I think it was quite obvious by the approach that was made | 0:22:39 | 0:22:41 | |
that, if I didn't pay it, I wouldn't have felt that | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
the property would've been secure, or the people in it. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
As a former police fraud investigator, | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
Alan McQuillan knows all too well our man had little choice. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:55 | |
In all these communities, you have people who will come along | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
and sidle up and demand that people do things. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
And people get very frightened of that. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
The landlord rented his property out to a housing benefit claimant. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
But, even though the rent was being paid, | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
there didn't seem to be any sign of anyone living in his house. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
I ask some questions, locally, as to what was going on. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
It became clear this gentleman | 0:23:21 | 0:23:23 | |
was actually residing with his partner and child. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
I was made aware that she was claiming single parent benefit | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
and housing benefit, as well. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:31 | |
To that extent, my property sat - in my mind, anyway - | 0:23:31 | 0:23:33 | |
for two years with no-one living in it, | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
but the state was paying me. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:37 | |
How much are we talking about? | 0:23:37 | 0:23:38 | |
How much benefit were you being paid for this empty house? | 0:23:38 | 0:23:42 | |
Em...it was about £300 a month. In and around that number. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:46 | |
But it was certainly enough to cover the mortgage. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
'We've worked out that the landlord was paid £7,000 | 0:23:50 | 0:23:54 | |
'from the public purse in housing benefit for an empty house. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
'The landlord was getting his money. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:01 | |
'The paramilitaries were getting their money.' | 0:24:01 | 0:24:03 | |
'The only problem was it was all illegal.' | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
So, you, essentially, were cheating the system. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
Did you not feel guilty about it? | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
Did you ever think, "This is wrong, I shouldn't be doing it"? | 0:24:13 | 0:24:15 | |
Try owning a house in the Village area and rent it | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
and not pay these guys - that would be a challenge. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:20 | |
The £40 a month the landlord was paying | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
may not seem significant. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:26 | |
But if a paramilitary organisation can get enough landlords to pay, | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
then, suddenly, it's worthwhile. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:32 | |
Stealing benefits in those areas, there is a large volume of it. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:37 | |
It's relatively easy to do, it's relatively low-risk, | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
and if you are caught | 0:24:40 | 0:24:42 | |
the amount of penalty you'll get from the courts | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
for an organised benefit fraud | 0:24:45 | 0:24:46 | |
is probably significantly less than you will, | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
for example, people trafficking, prostitution or robbery. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:52 | |
So, on all fronts, it is seen as a low-risk crime. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:56 | |
But the situation for our landlord was about to dramatically change. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:05 | |
When his fake tenant moved out, | 0:25:05 | 0:25:06 | |
the paramilitaries came round with a new proposal. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:09 | |
I was approached by people | 0:25:12 | 0:25:14 | |
that I believe I was paying the protection money to. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
They told be the person I would be renting the house to | 0:25:17 | 0:25:21 | |
wouldn't be living in it and that they would be subletting it. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
And was I happy with that? | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
The paramilitaries were now after more than just protection money. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:33 | |
The landlord's rent would still be paid | 0:25:33 | 0:25:34 | |
through the housing benefit scam. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:36 | |
But now the paramilitaries | 0:25:36 | 0:25:38 | |
wanted to sub-let his home for cash and take the money. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:42 | |
I became very nervous and said I wasn't willing to do that. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
The problem is I felt I was being sucked into something | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
I really didn't want to be sucked into. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:50 | |
I therefore made a decision to sell the property. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:52 | |
'This is the first time he's come clean | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
'about his dealings with paramilitaries.' | 0:25:56 | 0:25:58 | |
To some extent, I want to report this. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
Who do I report it to? | 0:26:01 | 0:26:02 | |
Reporting fraud presents huge challenges | 0:26:04 | 0:26:06 | |
in Northern Ireland. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
But it is still incredible | 0:26:08 | 0:26:09 | |
that there has never been one reported case | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
of tenancy fraud here. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
It just was completely under the radar. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:16 | |
There was no proper strategy | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
for actually dealing with tenancy fraud. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:22 | |
One of the recommendations in our report | 0:26:22 | 0:26:24 | |
will require housing associations and the Housing Executive | 0:26:24 | 0:26:29 | |
to prepare dedicated counter-fraud strategies for tenancy fraud. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:34 | |
After 40 years in existence, | 0:26:35 | 0:26:37 | |
the Housing Executive has only now published | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
its first ever dedicated tenancy fraud strategy. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:44 | |
-Tenancy fraud. -Yes. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:45 | |
-Is it really a priority for the Housing Executive? -Absolutely. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:49 | |
We place huge store in our approaches in terms of | 0:26:49 | 0:26:51 | |
making sure that people who are living in our properties | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
are the people who are supposed to be living in them. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:56 | |
That's all very well but, looking at the recent Auditor's report | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
into tenancy fraud in Northern Ireland, | 0:26:59 | 0:27:01 | |
it is pretty clear to him that the Executive | 0:27:01 | 0:27:03 | |
isn't really treating this as seriously as it should. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
For instance, the strategy you're devising now | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
is only a recent thing. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:10 | |
Given that this is the biggest fraud across the water in social housing, | 0:27:10 | 0:27:14 | |
it seems that you are only now sitting up and taking notice. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
We were producing our own strategy at the time of that report. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
That's not to say there aren't things we should do. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:22 | |
As a result of both the Audit Office report | 0:27:22 | 0:27:24 | |
and our own investigations into best practice, | 0:27:24 | 0:27:26 | |
we're introducing things like photographic evidence. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
We'll do random visits in the first year of tenancy | 0:27:29 | 0:27:31 | |
to determine those people are there that should be there. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
The housing associations, | 0:27:35 | 0:27:37 | |
who are the other big landlords in the social sector, | 0:27:37 | 0:27:39 | |
have also put plans in place to deal with fraudsters. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:43 | |
The sorts of things members are doing include tenancy audits, | 0:27:43 | 0:27:47 | |
making sure that the people occupying properties | 0:27:47 | 0:27:49 | |
are the rightful tenants, | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
also doing follow-up visits perhaps four or six weeks into the tenancy | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
to ensure that the tenant is actually occupying | 0:27:54 | 0:27:57 | |
and using the property as they should. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
The Housing Executive has had some success in reclaiming empty homes. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:08 | |
This Housing Officer is about to serve notice | 0:28:08 | 0:28:10 | |
on one of the 800 homes that's been recovered in the last five years. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:14 | |
But if they found 800 houses without actively looking for them, | 0:28:16 | 0:28:20 | |
how many more empty homes could be out there? | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
The Auditor General believes at least 2,500 homes | 0:28:23 | 0:28:27 | |
are being taken up by fraudsters. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:29 | |
That's around 2% of the total social housing stock. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:32 | |
But, according to the former maintenance manager, Kevin Barrett, | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
who spent most of his life working for the Housing Executive, | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
that's just the tip of the iceberg. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:40 | |
I would have thought at least 15%-20% of the properties | 0:28:40 | 0:28:44 | |
were either dole drops | 0:28:44 | 0:28:46 | |
or weren't being properly lived in as a family home. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:49 | |
That's pretty shocking. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:51 | |
It is, but I mean, | 0:28:51 | 0:28:53 | |
you become immune to it when you live with it. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:55 | |
It becomes normal. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:56 | |
So, if Kevin Barrett's figures were to be correct, | 0:28:58 | 0:29:02 | |
then as many as 18,000 homes could be occupied by fraudsters. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:07 | |
That would be enough to drastically cut the waiting list. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:10 | |
I don't think there's a housing crisis. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:14 | |
If the Housing Executive would follow up empty homes, | 0:29:14 | 0:29:16 | |
people that aren't living in them and housing benefit fraud, | 0:29:16 | 0:29:20 | |
I think the housing crisis would go. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:22 | |
This is the view of one former Housing Executive manager. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:28 | |
But a current manager has told us | 0:29:28 | 0:29:30 | |
that tenancy fraud is a major problem. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:32 | |
But the Housing Executive completely disputes these figures. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
They say... | 0:29:38 | 0:29:39 | |
But the fact is there is no evidence of tenancy fraud | 0:29:47 | 0:29:51 | |
anywhere in Northern Ireland | 0:29:51 | 0:29:52 | |
because the Housing Executive didn't record it. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:55 | |
We don't know if Kevin Barrett's figures are accurate, | 0:29:55 | 0:29:58 | |
but he did spend almost 30 years on the ground | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
working for the Housing Executive, inspecting thousands of properties. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:06 | |
One thing we do know is that we came across a man | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
who found 170 empty houses, including Housing Executive homes, | 0:30:09 | 0:30:13 | |
in the space of just three weeks. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
Might it be the Housing Executive | 0:30:16 | 0:30:18 | |
hasn't properly addressed this in the past | 0:30:18 | 0:30:20 | |
because they might not have liked what they found? | 0:30:20 | 0:30:22 | |
Don't accept that. I wouldn't accept that at all. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:24 | |
The Housing Executive has never shirked its responsibility. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:27 | |
We've always been at the forefront of trying to do the right thing. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
But why didn't you do it ten years ago? | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
When looking in hindsight, with 20/20 vision, | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
you know you should do things earlier. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:37 | |
The point I'd make is, yes, | 0:30:37 | 0:30:38 | |
we should've done things sharper ten years ago. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:41 | |
We're doing it now. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:42 | |
That's empty - somebody used it all. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
There's some in that. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:50 | |
I would love to see myself in a nice house with heating, | 0:30:50 | 0:30:54 | |
for the kids to be running about, happy, | 0:30:54 | 0:30:56 | |
and have somewhere to play and do things | 0:30:56 | 0:30:58 | |
and not having to live in these conditions. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
Jean and her family | 0:31:02 | 0:31:04 | |
are now considering returning to Scotland. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:06 | |
Last week, Darran was informed by the Housing Executive | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
that, as he failed to tell them in time | 0:31:11 | 0:31:13 | |
he still wanted one of their homes, | 0:31:13 | 0:31:15 | |
he and his family have been removed from the waiting list. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:19 | |
If we have to move out of this area, they'll have to move school | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
and everything will be up in the air again. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:26 | |
As the families face an uncertain future, | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
the housing authorities prepare | 0:31:30 | 0:31:31 | |
to implement their new anti-tenancy fraud strategies. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:35 | |
But putting down a good plan on paper is one thing. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:38 | |
Actually knocking on doors | 0:31:38 | 0:31:40 | |
and asking the difficult questions is another. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:43 |