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Jennifer O'Leary investigates leading republican Thomas 'Slab' Murphy and asks what his recent conviction means for Sinn Fein in the forthcoming Irish election.


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Thomas "Slab" Murphy -

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millionaire smuggler,

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IRA godfather.

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He was the one that sent those people out to commit murder

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on behalf of the IRA.

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Thomas Murphy awaits sentencing following his conviction

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in the Republic for tax offences, and now faces the prospect of jail.

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I am on a journey to discover how he was brought to book

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and how decades of IRA terror brought him

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a multi-million-pound criminal empire.

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I want to know why the Sinn Fein leadership moved to defend

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their one-time comrade in arms as a hero,

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just weeks before a crucial election.

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What we have achieved in the North of Ireland

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over the last 20 years has been nothing short of amazing.

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The amazing wouldn't have happened without

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the support of people like Tom Murphy.

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In searching for the answers,

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we reveal a hidden history that some prefer would remain in the past.

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There was a great desire by the British Government to not admit

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that the IRA were still active in crime, or active at all.

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It's show time.

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For Sinn Fein, the forthcoming election in the Republic may bring

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its greatest electoral reward -

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government on both sides of the border.

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But the party's rush to the defence

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of a convicted tax evader has,

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for some, tested its credibility.

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The recent conviction of party colleague and senior IRA man

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Thomas Murphy for agricultural tax offences

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marked the culmination of years of work by authorities north and south.

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It's the only conviction of a man

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who says he makes his living from farming -

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but whom authorities believe controlled

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a vast smuggling operation

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that has exploited oil, cigarettes, even farm subsidies.

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Murphy's position right on the border -

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it ran literally through his property -

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allowed him, authorities say, to exploit and cheat the revenue

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north and south for decades.

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The officers were in the South of Ireland, and the main generating

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oil industry within the North of Ireland,

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so you can imagine an imaginary line going through the building,

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so that meant the officers had

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to come from both sides, to actually conduct, shall we say,

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a professional search.

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In recent years, Murphy has been the subject of a number of raids.

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This raid in 2013 was a major cross-border operation.

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But the origins of his current conviction lie over a decade ago,

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when Murphy moved to publicly claim that he was just a simple farmer.

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Former Assistant Chief Constable Alan McQuillan was attending

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a cross-border police conference in Dublin at the time,

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when his attention was drawn to a TV news report.

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A senior Garda officer came to me and said,

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"Quick, come and see this."

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He said that he was a simple farmer.

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At that point my Garda colleague turned round and said,

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"Fuck me, I've got him."

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He said, "For years he's been refusing to put in a tax return,

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"saying he has no income. He's just admitted that he's a farmer.

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"He's filed false tax returns."

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And he said, "I've got enough now to open an investigation."

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Murphy's own words, in effect, led the authorities to his door.

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Just months later, Felix McKenna led a major cross-border raid

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on Murphy's complex.

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For the frantic efforts they were making when we hit the scene,

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and hit the locations ourselves,

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I would say the max they would have had warning was about 30 minutes.

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The Army were out in force with us as well, plus helicopters,

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uniformed PSNI and British Army.

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As our officers drove into one of the residences, they were met

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by a car, discarding items, throwing them into the ditch,

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in various places, like hard drives and disks.

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There was a kind of panic and a frantic effort to, kind of,

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hide and conceal material that we would have been searching for.

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In that farmyard and cattle shed, they located a number of black

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plastic bags, concealed in the bales of straw or hay.

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In them plastic bags we found large amounts of cash,

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strangely enough company records, ledgers, computers, hard drives

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and disks, and that painted a picture of what was going on.

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But it's the timing of Thomas Murphy's conviction

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that is both highly symbolic

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and politically inconvenient for Sinn Fein.

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The Irish State is heading to the polls, at a time

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when the country is preparing to honour and commemorate

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its Republican heroes.

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And as the election campaign gets underway,

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all the parties must decide,

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when is a Republican a good Republican?

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I'm pretty good on 1916.

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It's about all I know about, so if you've any questions,

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throw them out there.

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Lorcan Collins has run tours celebrating the people and places

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of the Easter Rising for 20 years.

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A lot of money would flood in,

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would be used by the Fenians or the IRB to buy weapons.

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We get some from Germany in 1914,

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in a shipment that came in in a place called Howth.

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We did try the democratic process but we got nowhere.

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The next thing would be they'd distribute those weapons

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around the west coast, and the uprising would kick off

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on Easter Sunday, OK?

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So what can go wrong? Well, it's Ireland,

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so everything goes wrong at the last minute, all right?

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Dublin became a battleground.

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But confusion over the arrival of arms for the rebels

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led to the Rising being cancelled in many other parts of Ireland.

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Those who carried on seized the General Post Office,

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before losing to the might of an imperial army.

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The Rising had ultimately failed in its aims.

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The city did not fall to the rebels.

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The ringleaders were rounded up and executed.

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The rebellion and the image of the rebel leaders

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who died for their country

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gave new life to the idea of a blood sacrifice for a united Ireland.

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You don't have to be the winner to be the victor -

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that's a key aspect of 1916 Uprising.

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So history is obviously a living thing for Lorcan,

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who runs these tours on a daily basis,

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but the 1916 Rising,

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its significance and its commemoration

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will certainly feed into the forthcoming elections

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here in the Republic soon.

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I think the 1916 commemorations are undoubtedly part of the context

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for the general election.

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Most of the debate in the South around 1916

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has actually been pretty mature.

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Ten or 15 years ago, it would have been completely polarised

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between people saying, "These people were terrorists and criminals",

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and people saying they were saints and martyrs.

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I think most people now know that it's somewhere in between.

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Thomas Murphy's upcoming sentencing

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may determine where he spends Easter 2016 -

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a time when Republican heroes of old will be commemorated.

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For some, Thomas Murphy is the manifestation

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of a modern Republican hero.

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Sinn Fein's defence of the so-called Good Republican, however,

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has left the party open to criticism

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that it's more interested in protecting its own

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than respecting the rule of law.

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Thomas Murphy, known as Slab,

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is a man who has fought hard to keep his IRA past a secret.

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His ascent to IRA leadership began in the 1960s.

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Former senior IRA member Kieran Conway, now a solicitor,

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first met Murphy in the early 1970s.

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I was Director of Intelligence.

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I went to a series of meetings in the border areas with the IRA.

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And that would be the first time I met Tom Murphy.

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We might discuss mutual acquaintances or, you know,

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a bad IRA operation, or, er...

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Or whatever, but no, no, the small talk would be very minimal.

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In the mid 1980s, Conway was arrested with Murphy,

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just over the border in County Louth,

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on suspicion of IRA membership.

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I think it was just a routine meeting, as far as I recall.

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They were probably making arrangements for something or other.

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But just to be sure, you were on IRA business?

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Oh, absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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The area had become a war zone for police and army.

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For the IRA, under its leading lights like Thomas Murphy,

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it was a fortress.

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It was the safest area in Ireland to be in.

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It was safer than Kerry or Cork or anywhere.

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South Armagh was the centre for experimentation with explosives,

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test firing weapons, er,

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mortars, rockets, various other items,

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and also as a centre for the interrogation of suspect informers.

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For the security forces, however,

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South Armagh was one of the most dangerous postings...

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..in the world.

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Soldiers who served there have been long familiar with Thomas Murphy

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and the IRA unit he led.

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Colonel Richard Kemp worked in intelligence

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at the Cabinet Office after several tours in Northern Ireland.

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My role, both when I was in intelligence in Northern Ireland

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and in London, was to monitor the activities

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of the Provisional IRA.

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Thomas Murphy, of course, remained a major player in the IRA operations,

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throughout all of these years.

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I had access to the intelligence that was available

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to the British Army and to the British Government,

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and that did include information about what Murphy's activities were

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and his links to other members of the IRA and his position

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and the reason for it.

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Thomas Murphy had risen to a senior position in the South Armagh IRA

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by the early 1970s.

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And the IRA in South Armagh has been linked to

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some of the bloodiest attacks of the Troubles.

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Narrow Water - 18 soldiers killed.

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The murder off the coast of Sligo of Lady Brabourne,

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Lord Mountbatten, his grandson as a local boy that same day.

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A series of border bombings.

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Civilian killings.

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RUC Murders.

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And the shooting dead of so-called IRA informers.

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We were briefed on the main IRA terrorists

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operating in South Armagh.

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Was Thomas Murphy on that list?

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Thomas Murphy was one of the main people on that list -

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in fact, he was... As we understood it,

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he was the head of the Provisional IRA in South Armagh.

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We did not believe that he was necessary the trigger man,

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the one who would actually position the bombs or pull the trigger

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of a sniper rifle, but we did know that he was the one that sent

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those people out to commit murder on behalf of the IRA.

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On the watchtowers,

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attempted morale-boosting visits by ministers came and went.

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The IRA's armed campaign continued.

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During my tour in South Armagh in 1986, we lost three soldiers

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from my battalion, the 2nd Royal Anglians.

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The first one was Major Andrew French,

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who was killed by a remote-controlled bomb,

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and we also lost two other soldiers,

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Private Bertram and Private Davis, near my observation post.

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I believe that Slab Murphy was behind those killings.

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We believed at the time that Slab Murphy was behind those killings,

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and I still believe it today -

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that he, while he almost certainly did not actually take the action,

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would have ordered the action, would have approved the plan,

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would have directed what happened,

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and therefore I consider Slab Murphy responsible

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for the death of those three men from my battalion.

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I think Thomas Murphy will be remembered -

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and I certainly remember him - for being a mass murderer.

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He killed and ordered the killing of many people.

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He had a regime of fear.

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Who was going to stand up in court

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and give evidence against Slab Murphy?

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He was a big Mafia boss, in effect.

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People were terrified of him.

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This is Eamon Collins, a former IRA man who went

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on the record about his own IRA activity.

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We were killing police, soldiers, and causing severe explosions.

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We were tying down thousands of troops

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and we were causing very severe problems.

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In 1990, Murphy took the Sunday Times to court for libel

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but eventually lost

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when he challenged a description of him in the newspaper

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as a top IRA commander.

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Eamon Collins gave evidence against Murphy at the trial.

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Collins outlined an IRA meeting he had attended in 1983,

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where Thomas Murphy had identified himself as

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a representative of the IRA's Army Council.

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Eight months after the trial, Eamon Collins was found

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beaten and stabbed to death a short distance from his home in Newry.

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Murphy has contested his links to criminality

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and role within the IRA, but his failed legal challenge

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only brought further exposure.

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I want to discover how Murphy's IRA influence had grown

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within South Armagh and beyond.

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In 1987, French Customs intercepted a ship

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off the coast of Brittany in France.

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-REPORTER:

-Not much has emerged

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as to what the Eksund and her crew were up to.

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The Eksund first appeared as a riddle,

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cut adrift on the French coast, but it contained a deadly secret.

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Inside, a haul of arms that could have transformed

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the capabilities of the IRA.

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It seems that the shipment was masterminded by Murphy and others.

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And she's still yielding box after box after box of ammunition.

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This is the north coast of France.

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And this is where the Eksund's journey came to an end,

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beginning a major international police investigation.

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Jean-Louis Bruguiere was France's most senior

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anti-terrorism investigator.

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He led the Eksund investigation.

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I think we have the details.

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Details. Details.

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Anti-aircraft, explosives, semtex - two tonnes.

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And, of course, more than 1,000 Kalashnikovs.

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150 tonnes.

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150 tonnes of arms destined for the IRA.

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Intelligence services in several countries

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had known of a link between Libya and the IRA,

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but the discovery was proof that the Gaddafi regime

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was supplying arms to the Provisionals.

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TRANSLATION:

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Three IRA men, a crewman and their Irish skipper were arrested.

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The skipper, Adrian Hopkins, revealed the story of the Eksund

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and its deadly cargo.

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And French police had pieced together the supply line.

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The arms had been loaded onto the Eksund from a dock in Tripoli.

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A Libyan intelligence officer had been identified

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and, as the investigator recalls, so, too, had Thomas Murphy.

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Quite sure - sure - that Murphy was involved.

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TRANSLATION:

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In time, it was revealed that Murphy had been travelling abroad

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on a forged Irish passport

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in the months before the Eksund arms shipment.

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Thomas Murphy and the IRA had tapped into a crucial source of arms

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from Colonel Gaddafi's Libya.

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The Eksund shipment had been stopped by the French - but others had not.

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The French police investigation had learned that four previous Libyan

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shipments had already been landed

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back here on the County Wicklow coast.

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An account emerged, detailing how weapons were smuggled into Ireland

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from this very beach.

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The shipment was reportedly carried ashore by the armful

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by IRA personnel - Thomas Murphy amongst them.

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The capture of the Eksund helped scupper the IRA's plan

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for a major offensive.

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And it became clear that parts of the leadership were already

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seeking an alternative strategy.

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In the early years, every January the 1st was hailed

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as the year of victory.

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'72, '73, '74...

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It became obvious it wasn't going to happen that quickly.

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The search for heavy weaponry went on, and all the time the excuse

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for every failing of the IRA was,

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"Look, we need the heavy gear. We need proper equipment."

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There was then supposed to be a major IRA offensive,

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but they weren't able to deliver.

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They were heavily infiltrated in various areas.

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A military victory was not on the cards. Couldn't be done.

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And people... Well, I think Gerry Adams

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began to look for alternatives.

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But South Armagh remained at the cutting edge of the IRA.

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When it broke a ceasefire with the 1996 bombing

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of London's Docklands, it was they who provided

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the logistics for the operation.

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Less obvious in the political strategy of the armed campaign

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was the IRA's involvement in robberies and crime.

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These pictures of a £4 million cigarette robbery in Belfast

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record what police believe was an operation partly organised

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by Thomas Murphy's South Armagh IRA.

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One of the cigarette companies

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was moving a very large consignment

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of cigarettes in containers

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on a ship in Belfast Docks,

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when a party of IRA from Belfast arrived to rob it.

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A fleet of lorries then arrived,

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which had been provided by the IRA in South Armagh.

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The cigarettes were loaded onto them. That was a joint operation

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between the Belfast Brigade of the IRA, providing the muscle

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in Belfast, and the South Armagh Brigade providing the transport.

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For some in the security forces, the suspicion grew that the support

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of key Republicans for the peace process had come at a price -

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that smuggling and criminality would be allowed to continue,

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as long as they held the peace.

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There was a great desire by the British Government

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to play down these things,

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to not admit that the IRA were still active in crime,

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or active at all.

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We can only take cases on referral from other law enforcement agencies,

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so they had to give us the cases.

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We got lots and lots of cases of Loyalist crime

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and we were hugely successful against those -

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to the extent that the Unionists began to complain about bias.

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But what we would not get were the really hardcore entry

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into dealing with the criminality of Republican paramilitaries.

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Do you think that the intelligence services and the police

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were encouraged not to pass on referrals

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regarding Republican cases?

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I think the decisions were political -

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not operational.

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I think the issue here was the management of the peace process,

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and nothing must be done

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that would disturb the politics of the situation.

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Thomas Murphy has put his full support for the peace process

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on the record, and said that he will play whatever role

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he can to see it work.

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But in defending a fraudster, critics say Sinn Fein have

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undermined their credibility as a potential partner in government.

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What we have achieved

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in the North of Ireland

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over the last 20 years

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has been nothing short of amazing.

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That's what the world tells us.

2:17:232:17:24

"What you have done here has been amazing."

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Well, the amazing wouldn't have happened without the support

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of people like Tom Murphy.

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And we need to understand that.

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There is a very unhelpful narrative being developed over the course

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of this one particular case.

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What is it about?

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It's about trying to undermine Sinn Fein in the face of election.

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Sinn Fein has said that Republicans are not involved

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in criminal actions along the border,

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but security sources believe that

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Republicans still control a criminal empire

2:18:042:18:08

that continues to generate huge sums of money.

2:18:082:18:12

Sinn Fein have said it was a breach of Tom Murphy's rights

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to hold his case in front of judges and not a jury.

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The party's defence of Murphy was used by some political opponents

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in the Republic as evidence that the party is not

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fit for government.

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And when Gerry Adams stood by Murphy and said he was a good Republican,

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many asked why.

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I think one was a sense of historic debt he feels he owes him

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and he owes in going back to IRA decommissioning.

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I think this is part of the strange psychosis of Gerry Adams

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at the moment - that he has this official sense of himself,

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which has no connection with the IRA at all,

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and he has this dark side to himself which is this whole history.

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And that history contains Slab Murphy.

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You know, if you open that cupboard,

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Slab Murphy and a lot of other people are going to fall out of it.

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The 1916 Easter Rising was the seminal event

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that led to Irish independence.

2:19:172:19:20

Kieran Conway was part of another generation of violent Republicans

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who fought for a vision of a united Ireland.

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A vision that is still unfulfilled.

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Sinn Fein believe that a united Ireland is on the cards.

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I think it's further away than it ever was.

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I think the union is safe for the foreseeable

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and, of course, has been made safe

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by the Provisionals underwriting the Unionist veto, and saying,

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"Yeah, we agree with this, and the only way to achieve Irish unity

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"is by the way that the British Government

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"told us to achieve it all along",

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so the entire 25-year struggle was a total futile waste of lives

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and the outcome could have been achieved

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without a drop of blood being spilled.

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Gerry Adams declined to be interviewed for the programme

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but, in a statement, said political opponents and sections of the media

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have used his defence of Murphy to attack him and his party.

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He added that Tom Murphy contests the verdict

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of the Special Criminal Court, and maintains his innocence.

2:20:232:20:27

Thomas Murphy also declined to speak to Spotlight.

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He has previously challenged the portrayal of him

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as a senior member of the IRA.

2:20:332:20:36

Government on both sides of the border could be

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on the horizon for Sinn Fein, but their embrace of Murphy suggests

2:20:392:20:43

they see their own Republican heroes as first among equals.

2:20:432:20:48

It remains to be seen to what extent loyalty to their Good Republican

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affects their prospects of one day holding power in the Republic.

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