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Stalking - it's a crime that breeds fear and terror. | 1:53:38 | 1:53:42 | |
Never seen this person before. | 1:53:42 | 1:53:44 | |
He just came from out of the blue | 1:53:45 | 1:53:47 | |
and became this scary character that... | 1:53:47 | 1:53:49 | |
..hunted me. For years. | 1:53:51 | 1:53:52 | |
And it takes over victims' lives. | 1:53:54 | 1:53:56 | |
I don't go out very often, constantly checking the doors, | 1:53:57 | 1:54:00 | |
constantly looking out the window. | 1:54:00 | 1:54:03 | |
I'm surrounded by security everywhere. | 1:54:03 | 1:54:06 | |
CCTV, panic buttons up and downstairs... | 1:54:06 | 1:54:10 | |
Alarm systems. | 1:54:10 | 1:54:12 | |
But in Northern Ireland, it is an invisible crime. | 1:54:13 | 1:54:17 | |
In purely legal terms, it doesn't exist. | 1:54:17 | 1:54:19 | |
We don't name it as a specific criminal offence. | 1:54:20 | 1:54:23 | |
But according to some victims, this means police | 1:54:25 | 1:54:28 | |
and prosecutors then fail to protect them. | 1:54:28 | 1:54:32 | |
Am I ever going to be rid of this man? | 1:54:32 | 1:54:34 | |
Are the police ever going to take me seriously? | 1:54:34 | 1:54:36 | |
Am I a nuisance to them? | 1:54:36 | 1:54:38 | |
Do they think I'm making it up? | 1:54:38 | 1:54:39 | |
So why is Northern Ireland the only region of the UK not to | 1:54:41 | 1:54:45 | |
recognise stalking in law? | 1:54:45 | 1:54:47 | |
And what are the consequences for the victims? | 1:54:48 | 1:54:51 | |
You may think it is something that only happens to celebrities - | 1:55:10 | 1:55:14 | |
movie stars or pop stars like Lily Allen. | 1:55:14 | 1:55:17 | |
I could see from the minute that he came into my bedroom that he | 1:55:17 | 1:55:20 | |
was ill and that he needed help. | 1:55:20 | 1:55:23 | |
The majority of victims of stalking are women and most stalkers are men. | 1:55:26 | 1:55:31 | |
According to research in Great Britain, stalking affects up | 1:55:33 | 1:55:37 | |
to one in six women in their lifetime. | 1:55:37 | 1:55:39 | |
If the same were to be true in Northern Ireland, that would | 1:55:41 | 1:55:44 | |
mean thousands and thousands of people here are affected. | 1:55:44 | 1:55:48 | |
Breaking the silence are women in Northern Ireland with | 1:55:50 | 1:55:53 | |
powerful experiences of their stalking nightmares. | 1:55:53 | 1:55:57 | |
In early 2011, Vicky Clarke was on | 1:56:11 | 1:56:13 | |
a night out in Bangor with friends. | 1:56:13 | 1:56:16 | |
I went to the bar to get a drink | 1:56:18 | 1:56:19 | |
and this man stood beside me | 1:56:19 | 1:56:21 | |
and said, "Do you remember me?" | 1:56:21 | 1:56:23 | |
I didn't know him, I couldn't remember him. | 1:56:23 | 1:56:26 | |
We just had a wee chitchat and that was it. | 1:56:26 | 1:56:29 | |
Um, a couple of months later, | 1:56:29 | 1:56:31 | |
he popped up on Facebook | 1:56:31 | 1:56:34 | |
and befriended me, if you like. | 1:56:34 | 1:56:36 | |
The pair dated during that summer. | 1:56:40 | 1:56:43 | |
Vicky remembers they had good times together. | 1:56:43 | 1:56:46 | |
Scenic places, parks, cafes... | 1:56:46 | 1:56:49 | |
We'd have driven quite a bit around, if you like, the peninsula. | 1:56:49 | 1:56:53 | |
I did have feelings for him. | 1:56:53 | 1:56:56 | |
Bruno Mars, "Catch a Grenade for You", | 1:56:56 | 1:56:58 | |
believe it or not was our theme song! | 1:56:58 | 1:57:01 | |
And also, there was a very soft side to him. | 1:57:01 | 1:57:03 | |
But it was a short-lived romance. | 1:57:05 | 1:57:08 | |
After just a few months, Vicky said she told him | 1:57:09 | 1:57:13 | |
he wasn't the man for her. | 1:57:13 | 1:57:14 | |
And he didn't react well. | 1:57:16 | 1:57:17 | |
PHONE RINGS | 1:57:19 | 1:57:21 | |
One night, she switched off her phone | 1:57:21 | 1:57:23 | |
to get a break from him persistently contacting her. | 1:57:23 | 1:57:27 | |
I woke up to text messages and missed calls from friends | 1:57:28 | 1:57:31 | |
saying, "Vicky, check your Facebook page, quickly". | 1:57:31 | 1:57:34 | |
So I did and I was horrified. | 1:57:35 | 1:57:37 | |
What she saw was a sexually explicit photo of her | 1:57:40 | 1:57:43 | |
that he'd posted online. | 1:57:43 | 1:57:45 | |
I was panicking, I couldn't... It was one of those moments | 1:57:46 | 1:57:49 | |
when you're just trying to get on the computer as quick as you can. | 1:57:49 | 1:57:52 | |
I was so ashamed, so humiliated, | 1:57:52 | 1:57:55 | |
so degraded. | 1:57:55 | 1:57:57 | |
Vicky says she foolishly agreed to him taking some photos, | 1:58:01 | 1:58:05 | |
but she thought he had deleted them. | 1:58:05 | 1:58:07 | |
We were out one night, had a couple of drinks, came back to his place | 1:58:10 | 1:58:14 | |
and I posed, if you like, | 1:58:14 | 1:58:16 | |
for a couple of photographs. | 1:58:16 | 1:58:19 | |
He asked for them. | 1:58:21 | 1:58:22 | |
I didn't think anything about it. | 1:58:22 | 1:58:25 | |
I didn't realise that this could happen to me. | 1:58:25 | 1:58:28 | |
She went to the police, but they didn't charge him with any offence. | 1:58:28 | 1:58:33 | |
So she ended up keeping in touch with her ex, | 1:58:34 | 1:58:37 | |
she says in part to ensure he didn't do anything more with the pictures. | 1:58:37 | 1:58:42 | |
I led on to be friends with him. | 1:58:44 | 1:58:46 | |
I thought if I don't aggravate him or I don't annoy him, | 1:58:46 | 1:58:49 | |
then maybe if I just seem like we're friends, | 1:58:49 | 1:58:52 | |
maybe then he won't start doing his worst. | 1:58:52 | 1:58:54 | |
But that wasn't the case. | 1:58:54 | 1:58:56 | |
Over the next few months, she says he bombarded her with texts, | 1:59:02 | 1:59:06 | |
e-mails, letters and cards. | 1:59:06 | 1:59:08 | |
Some were messages of love, | 1:59:08 | 1:59:10 | |
others were threatening. | 1:59:10 | 1:59:12 | |
And then he wrote, "Every breath I take | 1:59:14 | 1:59:16 | |
"I think of you, I love you with all my heart, | 1:59:16 | 1:59:18 | |
"I never ever will hurt you, | 1:59:18 | 1:59:20 | |
"I will honour and respect you, I am here for you, my only love." | 1:59:20 | 1:59:25 | |
He then began following her and turning up at her workplace. | 1:59:26 | 1:59:30 | |
Some days, he showed up on her commute to or from work. | 1:59:31 | 1:59:35 | |
I wanted him to stop, I didn't want him to come near me. | 1:59:36 | 1:59:39 | |
I was coming home over the Queen's Bridge in Belfast, | 1:59:39 | 1:59:41 | |
he actually came to my window at the traffic lights | 1:59:41 | 1:59:44 | |
and started banging on my window, "I love you!" | 1:59:44 | 1:59:46 | |
at the top of his voice. | 1:59:46 | 1:59:47 | |
I didn't know what to do, I was terrified. | 1:59:48 | 1:59:51 | |
It does seem like | 1:59:54 | 1:59:55 | |
normal relationship break-up stuff at first? | 1:59:55 | 1:59:58 | |
Yes, it was like that for me, I thought he was just heartbroken and | 1:59:58 | 2:00:01 | |
he was just trying to keep in touch with me, but it moved from feeling | 2:00:01 | 2:00:06 | |
loved, if you like, or heartbroken, to feeling actually quite scared. | 2:00:06 | 2:00:10 | |
But what Becky didn't realise was that what was happening to her | 2:00:12 | 2:00:16 | |
had all the hallmarks of stalking. | 2:00:16 | 2:00:18 | |
Stalking behaviour can happen | 2:00:20 | 2:00:22 | |
when the couple are still together, | 2:00:22 | 2:00:24 | |
so for example a husband or partner turning up in the workplace, | 2:00:24 | 2:00:28 | |
following the person when they're going on a night out. | 2:00:28 | 2:00:32 | |
So it happens when the couple are still together, | 2:00:32 | 2:00:34 | |
but happens more predominantly when... | 2:00:34 | 2:00:36 | |
Once the couple have separated. | 2:00:36 | 2:00:38 | |
Whilst part of Vicky badly wanted rid of him, | 2:00:41 | 2:00:43 | |
she also still had feelings for him. | 2:00:43 | 2:00:47 | |
She says on one occasion, even after he posted the intimate | 2:00:47 | 2:00:50 | |
photo on Facebook, she slept with him a final time. | 2:00:50 | 2:00:54 | |
I mucked that up myself. | 2:00:56 | 2:00:58 | |
He persisted and persisted in contacting me. | 2:00:58 | 2:01:01 | |
Hindsight's a great thing. | 2:01:02 | 2:01:03 | |
But I didn't know what this person was like, | 2:01:03 | 2:01:06 | |
I didn't know what he was like. | 2:01:06 | 2:01:07 | |
Vicky eventually cut off all contact with her ex, and the PSNI | 2:01:10 | 2:01:14 | |
attempted to make a harassment case against him, but it failed. | 2:01:14 | 2:01:18 | |
She accepts that the police's task was made more difficult | 2:01:21 | 2:01:25 | |
by the fact she hadn't made a clean break from the relationship. | 2:01:25 | 2:01:28 | |
After the case collapsed, she says the stalking behaviour got worse. | 2:01:31 | 2:01:36 | |
She claims he made threats to kill her. | 2:01:39 | 2:01:41 | |
She also moved house, but he found out where she was. | 2:01:42 | 2:01:46 | |
Vicky documented and reported incidents to the PSNI. | 2:01:50 | 2:01:54 | |
In March 2013, she was back at the police station | 2:01:56 | 2:01:59 | |
to log another approach from her stalker. | 2:01:59 | 2:02:02 | |
And when she left, she says he was actually waiting outside for her. | 2:02:04 | 2:02:09 | |
I went back into the police station, thinking great, police officers | 2:02:09 | 2:02:12 | |
are going to witness him, cos all the time I've been doing this, | 2:02:12 | 2:02:15 | |
you have to have witnesses, you have to have evidence, record everything. | 2:02:15 | 2:02:19 | |
According to Vicky, her stalker made up an excuse for being there | 2:02:20 | 2:02:24 | |
and the matter was closed. | 2:02:24 | 2:02:27 | |
But the incident left her with serious questions | 2:02:27 | 2:02:30 | |
about the police attitude to what was going on. | 2:02:30 | 2:02:33 | |
I thought, am I ever going to be rid of this man? | 2:02:34 | 2:02:37 | |
Are the police ever going to take me seriously? | 2:02:37 | 2:02:39 | |
Am I a nuisance to them? | 2:02:39 | 2:02:41 | |
Do they think I'm making it up? | 2:02:41 | 2:02:42 | |
There were times, more intermittent, | 2:02:42 | 2:02:45 | |
Vicky says her stalking ordeal has continued. | 2:02:45 | 2:02:48 | |
Recently, police have provided her with a panic alarm, | 2:02:48 | 2:02:52 | |
but they still haven't built a case against her alleged tormentor. | 2:02:52 | 2:02:55 | |
So in March, she applied to court herself. | 2:02:55 | 2:02:59 | |
On the day of the hearing, her former boyfriend signed | 2:02:59 | 2:03:03 | |
an undertaking promising to leave her alone. | 2:03:03 | 2:03:07 | |
I've been robbed of five years of peace, | 2:03:07 | 2:03:09 | |
feeling normal, | 2:03:09 | 2:03:10 | |
feeling safe, | 2:03:10 | 2:03:12 | |
being a mum who's carefree and happy. | 2:03:12 | 2:03:16 | |
I feel like I'm tired of firefighting, that I've had to fight | 2:03:16 | 2:03:19 | |
a stalker, I've had to fight the police, I had to fight the court. | 2:03:19 | 2:03:23 | |
When we contacted the man Vicky said stalked her, through his | 2:03:25 | 2:03:29 | |
solicitor, he said that he | 2:03:29 | 2:03:30 | |
"vigorously and entirely denied her allegations". | 2:03:30 | 2:03:33 | |
We also asked the PSNI to respond to Vicky's claims that they had failed | 2:03:35 | 2:03:39 | |
to investigate her case properly and viewed her as a nuisance. | 2:03:39 | 2:03:44 | |
The police said they could not comment on Vicky's case | 2:03:44 | 2:03:48 | |
as the police ombudsman is investigating | 2:03:48 | 2:03:50 | |
a complaint from her about their handling of it. | 2:03:50 | 2:03:53 | |
What we're doing is a bunch of women are getting together | 2:03:55 | 2:03:58 | |
and we're going to sign a petition | 2:03:58 | 2:03:59 | |
and bring it to the Assembly to ask them to change our laws. | 2:03:59 | 2:04:02 | |
Vicky and friends are gathering signatures for her | 2:04:02 | 2:04:05 | |
"laws for women" petition. | 2:04:05 | 2:04:07 | |
They are protesting because Northern Ireland is the only | 2:04:07 | 2:04:10 | |
region of the UK that does not have stalking legislation. | 2:04:10 | 2:04:14 | |
They're demanding Stormont now make stalking a specific | 2:04:16 | 2:04:19 | |
criminal offence. | 2:04:19 | 2:04:20 | |
I'll chain myself to the gates of Stormont | 2:04:24 | 2:04:26 | |
and that's just how far I'm going to go with this. They have to listen. | 2:04:26 | 2:04:29 | |
The government has to listen. | 2:04:29 | 2:04:31 | |
Stalking involves persistent and clearly unwanted attention. | 2:04:34 | 2:04:38 | |
It can cause fear, anxiety, alarm or distress. | 2:04:38 | 2:04:42 | |
In extreme cases, victims have been murdered. | 2:04:42 | 2:04:45 | |
Usually, it involves tracking someone | 2:04:45 | 2:04:48 | |
and sometimes in the most mundane ways. | 2:04:48 | 2:04:52 | |
Leaving gifts is a behaviour that's very common - | 2:04:52 | 2:04:54 | |
unwanted, romantic gifts - that other people would not | 2:04:54 | 2:04:57 | |
regard as problematic in any way, shape or form, | 2:04:57 | 2:05:00 | |
but actually, to the person that receives that gift, | 2:05:00 | 2:05:04 | |
it's a real... | 2:05:04 | 2:05:06 | |
You know, it's a threat. | 2:05:06 | 2:05:07 | |
It's a threat because that's saying, "I know where you are, | 2:05:07 | 2:05:10 | |
"I know what you're doing." | 2:05:10 | 2:05:12 | |
Because stalking isn't named in law in Northern Ireland, | 2:05:15 | 2:05:19 | |
the type of unwanted and persistent attention Vicky was receiving | 2:05:19 | 2:05:23 | |
is simply called harassment. | 2:05:23 | 2:05:25 | |
However, the harassment law is broad | 2:05:26 | 2:05:29 | |
and includes all sorts of behaviour, | 2:05:29 | 2:05:31 | |
like minor neighbourhood disputes. | 2:05:31 | 2:05:33 | |
Vicky says this downplays the particular severity of stalking | 2:05:36 | 2:05:40 | |
and some victims feel that it leads to their cases | 2:05:40 | 2:05:43 | |
not being properly understood. | 2:05:43 | 2:05:46 | |
Stalking victims say labelling what is happening to them as harassment | 2:05:46 | 2:05:50 | |
is a serious shortcoming that's having an impact on their lives. | 2:05:50 | 2:05:55 | |
Failure by police and prosecutors to identify patterns of stalking | 2:06:00 | 2:06:04 | |
behaviour was a key finding in a Parliamentary report five years ago. | 2:06:04 | 2:06:08 | |
It said that the harassment law was "not fit to protect | 2:06:10 | 2:06:13 | |
"the victims of stalking". | 2:06:13 | 2:06:15 | |
So the law was changed | 2:06:17 | 2:06:19 | |
and in England, Scotland and Wales, | 2:06:19 | 2:06:22 | |
stalking is a specific criminal offence. | 2:06:22 | 2:06:25 | |
But it wasn't changed in Northern Ireland. | 2:06:27 | 2:06:30 | |
The man who made that decision was former Justice Minister David Ford. | 2:06:30 | 2:06:35 | |
There was certainly consideration of | 2:06:35 | 2:06:37 | |
offences around stalking - | 2:06:37 | 2:06:39 | |
the evidence that was available | 2:06:39 | 2:06:41 | |
to me at the time was that existing offences covered what is in effect | 2:06:41 | 2:06:46 | |
stalking and there was no need to name it specifically. | 2:06:46 | 2:06:49 | |
There was no justification for prioritising it against all | 2:06:49 | 2:06:52 | |
the other issues that we had to consider. | 2:06:52 | 2:06:54 | |
Solicitor Ciaran Moynagh is concerned that the law has not been | 2:06:56 | 2:06:59 | |
brought into line with the rest of the UK. | 2:06:59 | 2:07:02 | |
Having stalking defined in law | 2:07:04 | 2:07:07 | |
would shine a torch on that issue | 2:07:07 | 2:07:09 | |
and that would focus, then... | 2:07:09 | 2:07:11 | |
Victims would know they're actual victims, | 2:07:11 | 2:07:13 | |
perpetrators would know what they're doing is unlawful | 2:07:13 | 2:07:17 | |
and then the professional agencies would have tools | 2:07:17 | 2:07:21 | |
and they'd be equipped to tackle the stalking specifically. | 2:07:21 | 2:07:25 | |
When you raise the issue of stalking here, it's as if it doesn't exist. | 2:07:27 | 2:07:32 | |
Stormont says it has no statistics for stalking-related convictions. | 2:07:32 | 2:07:38 | |
There is no local research on the subject | 2:07:38 | 2:07:40 | |
and there are no support groups for the victims of stalking. | 2:07:40 | 2:07:44 | |
And that can leave them feeling abandoned. | 2:07:44 | 2:07:47 | |
If you're a victim of stalking | 2:07:47 | 2:07:49 | |
in Northern Ireland, | 2:07:49 | 2:07:51 | |
then you aren't going to get | 2:07:51 | 2:07:52 | |
justice, it's as simple as that. | 2:07:52 | 2:07:54 | |
If you're a victim in England, | 2:07:54 | 2:07:55 | |
although there are difficulties still, in terms of the police | 2:07:55 | 2:07:59 | |
requiring training and all the rest of it, you've still got a far better | 2:07:59 | 2:08:03 | |
chance of obtaining justice and the law is at least there to enable it. | 2:08:03 | 2:08:08 | |
In Northern Ireland, even if the police WANT to do something, | 2:08:08 | 2:08:11 | |
their hands are tied and they cannot prosecute for stalking. | 2:08:11 | 2:08:15 | |
But David Ford says that just because the law doesn't | 2:08:16 | 2:08:19 | |
mention stalking, it doesn't mean victims are not protected. | 2:08:19 | 2:08:23 | |
Yes, exactly. | 2:08:25 | 2:08:26 | |
I can certainly see how victims would see it that way. | 2:08:26 | 2:08:29 | |
But when you look at the whole issue of the creation of an offence, | 2:08:29 | 2:08:33 | |
you need to look at the balance of where existing offences fit, | 2:08:33 | 2:08:37 | |
how they tie together the work of the different justice agencies, | 2:08:37 | 2:08:40 | |
how they deal with it, as well as how victims feel. | 2:08:40 | 2:08:43 | |
And those judgements are frequently complex. | 2:08:43 | 2:08:46 | |
This is Margarette O'Donnell, a busy young mum of three from Coleraine. | 2:08:50 | 2:08:54 | |
If she's not with the kids or doing voluntary work, | 2:08:56 | 2:08:59 | |
she's often hard at it in the gym. | 2:08:59 | 2:09:01 | |
She's come a long way from a horrifying ordeal that | 2:09:03 | 2:09:06 | |
gripped her life when she was a teenager. | 2:09:06 | 2:09:09 | |
I just remember walking down the road, | 2:09:10 | 2:09:13 | |
this male voice from behind just... | 2:09:13 | 2:09:15 | |
"Hello, nice day, isn't it?" | 2:09:15 | 2:09:17 | |
Oh, it's a lovely day, | 2:09:17 | 2:09:19 | |
great day, good to see it. | 2:09:19 | 2:09:20 | |
And... | 2:09:20 | 2:09:22 | |
He just continued to walk | 2:09:22 | 2:09:24 | |
beside me and talk to me, | 2:09:24 | 2:09:26 | |
though the way he talked changed. | 2:09:26 | 2:09:29 | |
It changed from this friendly, | 2:09:29 | 2:09:31 | |
to this sharp voice of... | 2:09:31 | 2:09:33 | |
"I suppose you like a good screw? I suppose you like a good shag?" | 2:09:33 | 2:09:37 | |
Um... | 2:09:37 | 2:09:39 | |
"I bet your boyfriend likes a good shag?" | 2:09:39 | 2:09:42 | |
And this is basically how he started to talk to me and | 2:09:42 | 2:09:45 | |
he kind of got me unaware and I just froze, I didn't know what to say. | 2:09:45 | 2:09:49 | |
The police were called, but couldn't find him. He appeared | 2:09:52 | 2:09:57 | |
sporadically over months, mostly turning up at her work. | 2:09:57 | 2:10:00 | |
Never seen this person before. | 2:10:02 | 2:10:03 | |
He just came from out of the blue | 2:10:05 | 2:10:07 | |
and became the scary character that... | 2:10:07 | 2:10:10 | |
hunted me, for years. | 2:10:10 | 2:10:12 | |
That's the only way I can think to put it. | 2:10:12 | 2:10:15 | |
I really didn't realise how much of... | 2:10:19 | 2:10:23 | |
..our lives that it had taken over, | 2:10:26 | 2:10:28 | |
it's only when you talk about it now. | 2:10:28 | 2:10:30 | |
Scared to go out, Margarette spent much of her time in her | 2:10:32 | 2:10:35 | |
bedroom and the stress took its toll, | 2:10:35 | 2:10:38 | |
not just on her, but on her family, | 2:10:38 | 2:10:41 | |
and especially her mum. | 2:10:41 | 2:10:43 | |
I was obsessed with how you'd know | 2:10:44 | 2:10:47 | |
that anything would happen to her. | 2:10:47 | 2:10:49 | |
What did you worry that he was capable of? | 2:10:51 | 2:10:54 | |
Could he murder her? | 2:10:54 | 2:10:56 | |
Could he rape her? | 2:10:56 | 2:10:57 | |
Would she disappear and never be seen again? | 2:10:57 | 2:11:00 | |
Though Margarette didn't suffer any physical harm, | 2:11:05 | 2:11:08 | |
part of her trauma stemmed from having no idea who her stalker was, | 2:11:08 | 2:11:13 | |
or why he was doing it. | 2:11:13 | 2:11:14 | |
Nobody could protect me, this man was so powerful. | 2:11:16 | 2:11:20 | |
And I was powerless. | 2:11:20 | 2:11:22 | |
You try everything to make yourself safe, | 2:11:22 | 2:11:24 | |
but he could have done anything. | 2:11:24 | 2:11:26 | |
When the stalking stopped, she just wanted to move on with her life, | 2:11:34 | 2:11:38 | |
rather than cope with the psychological trauma | 2:11:38 | 2:11:41 | |
it had left behind. | 2:11:41 | 2:11:42 | |
But last year, as a result of other problems she was experiencing, | 2:11:44 | 2:11:49 | |
she found herself struggling with depression. | 2:11:49 | 2:11:51 | |
In November, she decided to take her own life | 2:11:53 | 2:11:56 | |
here at Ramore Head. | 2:11:56 | 2:11:58 | |
What was it like being here that day? | 2:11:58 | 2:12:01 | |
I had this day planned, like... | 2:12:01 | 2:12:04 | |
I knew when I dropped the kids off, | 2:12:04 | 2:12:05 | |
that would be the last time I'd see them. | 2:12:05 | 2:12:08 | |
I didn't want to live, I didn't... | 2:12:08 | 2:12:10 | |
I just wanted everything to end, the pain to end. | 2:12:10 | 2:12:13 | |
Margarette was ready to jump, | 2:12:15 | 2:12:18 | |
but a passer-by intervened. | 2:12:18 | 2:12:21 | |
Looking back, it's been hard for her to realise how big a part | 2:12:22 | 2:12:26 | |
stalking played in her depression. | 2:12:26 | 2:12:28 | |
I don't think it's never going to leave me, like... | 2:12:30 | 2:12:33 | |
But I feel stronger. | 2:12:33 | 2:12:35 | |
And I don't... I don't have the same fear as I would have had. | 2:12:37 | 2:12:42 | |
What about him? | 2:12:46 | 2:12:48 | |
Are you still afraid of him? | 2:12:48 | 2:12:50 | |
I'm not afraid of him. | 2:12:56 | 2:12:57 | |
I've been afraid of what he did. | 2:12:57 | 2:13:00 | |
There was never any justice for what he did and I was never confident... | 2:13:01 | 2:13:06 | |
..that he would never do it again. | 2:13:07 | 2:13:09 | |
I've basically lived my life... Even though he hasn't been around, | 2:13:11 | 2:13:15 | |
I've lived my life with a stalker. | 2:13:15 | 2:13:17 | |
28% of stalking victims consider taking their own lives. | 2:13:20 | 2:13:25 | |
Today, Margarette is now determined to help others | 2:13:26 | 2:13:29 | |
facing similar trauma. | 2:13:29 | 2:13:32 | |
We contacted Margarette's stalker and put to him | 2:13:34 | 2:13:37 | |
the allegations she has made. | 2:13:37 | 2:13:39 | |
In a letter, his solicitor confirmed | 2:13:39 | 2:13:41 | |
this man was interviewed by police about these matters | 2:13:41 | 2:13:45 | |
in 2003, but was never charged | 2:13:45 | 2:13:48 | |
and the case was dropped. | 2:13:48 | 2:13:50 | |
He said the man denies causing any form of harassment to Margarette. | 2:13:50 | 2:13:54 | |
Since the introduction of the new stalking law in England and Wales, | 2:13:56 | 2:14:00 | |
prosecutions for it and other forms of harassment have risen. | 2:14:00 | 2:14:04 | |
David Ford says that it may be necessary to look at the law again. | 2:14:05 | 2:14:09 | |
There is clearly evidence showing what has happened in England | 2:14:16 | 2:14:19 | |
and Wales, we need to look to see exactly what the comparisons | 2:14:19 | 2:14:22 | |
would be with Northern Ireland, but it's certainly something | 2:14:22 | 2:14:25 | |
which appears to merit looking at it again. | 2:14:25 | 2:14:27 | |
So we've been seeking to ensure that Northern Ireland law | 2:14:27 | 2:14:30 | |
meets Northern Ireland needs and maybe on some occasions, | 2:14:30 | 2:14:32 | |
information comes to light two or three years down the line which | 2:14:32 | 2:14:36 | |
suggests we need to examine it. This may well be one of those cases. | 2:14:36 | 2:14:39 | |
Brenda lives every single day under siege. | 2:14:42 | 2:14:45 | |
I tend to go to shops that have cameras in them. | 2:14:47 | 2:14:50 | |
Constantly checking the doors, | 2:14:51 | 2:14:53 | |
constantly looking out the window. | 2:14:53 | 2:14:55 | |
I'm surrounded by security everywhere. | 2:14:55 | 2:14:57 | |
CCTV, panic buttons up and downstairs, um... | 2:14:57 | 2:15:01 | |
Alarm systems. | 2:15:03 | 2:15:05 | |
For Brenda, who didn't want her face shown, | 2:15:07 | 2:15:10 | |
her stalking nightmare began 14 years ago. | 2:15:10 | 2:15:15 | |
A man she had briefly dated began following her and making threats. | 2:15:15 | 2:15:20 | |
Twice, he tried to run her over in his car. | 2:15:20 | 2:15:23 | |
To get away from him, Brenda left Northern Ireland. | 2:15:25 | 2:15:30 | |
A decade later and now a mum, | 2:15:30 | 2:15:32 | |
she returned and it all began again. | 2:15:32 | 2:15:35 | |
In 2012, she took and paid for her own case to get a temporary | 2:15:42 | 2:15:46 | |
court order to stop her stalker coming near her. | 2:15:46 | 2:15:49 | |
But that didn't work. | 2:15:49 | 2:15:51 | |
And in 2013, he showed his total disregard for the court process. | 2:15:54 | 2:15:59 | |
I was sitting in the house, it was around 10.00, 10.30 at night | 2:16:01 | 2:16:04 | |
and the door knocked. So... | 2:16:04 | 2:16:07 | |
At this stage now, we all know, the stalker's on the go. | 2:16:07 | 2:16:11 | |
Let me in. | 2:16:11 | 2:16:12 | |
I opened the blind and looked out, and it was him. | 2:16:12 | 2:16:16 | |
He started doing the sign of a gun at his head. | 2:16:16 | 2:16:19 | |
And I lifted my son off the sofa, called the cops. | 2:16:19 | 2:16:23 | |
He's at the door, he's back. | 2:16:23 | 2:16:24 | |
Police charged him with criminal damage and threats to kill. | 2:16:24 | 2:16:28 | |
Last year, Brenda's stalker was deemed mentally unfit to | 2:16:32 | 2:16:36 | |
stand criminal trial and released, | 2:16:36 | 2:16:38 | |
pending psychiatric reports. | 2:16:38 | 2:16:41 | |
Despite bail conditions, within weeks of being in court, | 2:16:45 | 2:16:48 | |
he was back at Brenda's door. | 2:16:48 | 2:16:51 | |
She called the police, but by the time they arrived, he had gone. | 2:16:51 | 2:16:55 | |
Lo and behold, this time, the police are at my house, there's an officer | 2:16:57 | 2:17:00 | |
with me and the door knocked whilst I was giving him my statement. | 2:17:00 | 2:17:03 | |
And it was the stalker. | 2:17:05 | 2:17:06 | |
Out the way! | 2:17:08 | 2:17:10 | |
He pushed the cop out the way and got into my house | 2:17:10 | 2:17:13 | |
and he was standing in my house with the cops now wrestling with him, | 2:17:13 | 2:17:16 | |
screaming, "Will you marry me?" at like, 5.00 in the morning. | 2:17:16 | 2:17:19 | |
He had to be dragged out of my house by the cops | 2:17:19 | 2:17:21 | |
-and physically restrained to be handcuffed. -What are you doing? | 2:17:21 | 2:17:25 | |
Her stalker appeared before the magistrates' court, | 2:17:25 | 2:17:28 | |
but was - again - let out on bail. | 2:17:28 | 2:17:30 | |
But just days later, he was back at Brenda's door once more. | 2:17:37 | 2:17:41 | |
This time, he was jailed for several months, | 2:17:45 | 2:17:48 | |
but he is now out of prison. | 2:17:48 | 2:17:50 | |
Brenda says jailing him for breaching bail conditions | 2:17:51 | 2:17:55 | |
and not for his stalking was, in her words, "a joke". | 2:17:55 | 2:17:59 | |
It's laughable. There's no... | 2:18:00 | 2:18:03 | |
It in no way makes you feel safe, it in no way makes you | 2:18:03 | 2:18:05 | |
feel like someone is going to stand up and say, | 2:18:05 | 2:18:07 | |
"Look, we know everything he's doing here is wrong, | 2:18:07 | 2:18:10 | |
"we understand what it has done to your life, we understand | 2:18:10 | 2:18:13 | |
and we're going to do something about it. | 2:18:13 | 2:18:16 | |
Because they don't. | 2:18:16 | 2:18:17 | |
Her stalker is now under another order not to approach Brenda, | 2:18:18 | 2:18:23 | |
and receiving treatment for what the court was told | 2:18:23 | 2:18:26 | |
is paranoid psychosis. | 2:18:26 | 2:18:27 | |
Brenda's case is complicated by the fact this man is | 2:18:31 | 2:18:34 | |
mentally ill and there's a limit to what the criminal justice system | 2:18:34 | 2:18:38 | |
can do to punish and restrain him. | 2:18:38 | 2:18:41 | |
But she says he IS still a stalker and should be named | 2:18:41 | 2:18:44 | |
and treated as such and she believes that | 2:18:44 | 2:18:47 | |
if he'd been charged with stalking, it would have focused the minds | 2:18:47 | 2:18:50 | |
of prosecutors on how to deal with him at a much earlier stage. | 2:18:50 | 2:18:54 | |
It's left her frustrated and very angry. | 2:18:54 | 2:18:57 | |
I'm always waiting for him to come back. | 2:19:03 | 2:19:05 | |
How am I ever supposed to think he's not going to come back? | 2:19:05 | 2:19:08 | |
We contacted Brenda's stalker through his solicitor | 2:19:11 | 2:19:13 | |
to put Brenda's allegations to him. | 2:19:13 | 2:19:16 | |
He said he did not wish to participate in the programme. | 2:19:16 | 2:19:20 | |
We asked the PSNI and the Public Prosecution Service to | 2:19:23 | 2:19:27 | |
talk about the women's concerns over the existing law in particular, | 2:19:27 | 2:19:32 | |
and their claims the authorities are failing to build cases | 2:19:32 | 2:19:35 | |
that convict stalkers. | 2:19:35 | 2:19:37 | |
Both declined to be interviewed. | 2:19:38 | 2:19:41 | |
But in statements, they said, | 2:19:41 | 2:19:43 | |
"While there's no specific offence of stalking here, | 2:19:43 | 2:19:46 | |
"this form of conduct may be covered by other types of legislation | 2:19:46 | 2:19:50 | |
"and they can seek to use restraining orders." | 2:19:50 | 2:19:53 | |
The police said they're committed to keeping people safe and no victim | 2:19:53 | 2:19:57 | |
should ever feel their complaints are not being taken seriously. | 2:19:57 | 2:20:01 | |
They acknowledge victims' issues about treating | 2:20:01 | 2:20:03 | |
incidents in isolation, | 2:20:03 | 2:20:05 | |
but pointed out if a complete offence has been committed, they are | 2:20:05 | 2:20:09 | |
obliged to investigate this rather than waiting for another incident. | 2:20:09 | 2:20:14 | |
The PPS said stalking is a complex issue and rejected any assertion | 2:20:15 | 2:20:20 | |
they avoid taking stalking-type cases forward using existing laws. | 2:20:20 | 2:20:25 | |
Vicky Clarke has come to Stormont. | 2:20:28 | 2:20:30 | |
Her stalker has recently signed a court undertaking agreeing not | 2:20:30 | 2:20:34 | |
to go near her. But her campaign to change the law continues. | 2:20:34 | 2:20:39 | |
Today, she's meeting MLA Brenda Hale. | 2:20:40 | 2:20:43 | |
We need to put a very, very clear message out there, | 2:20:44 | 2:20:47 | |
that actually, you cannot stalk, | 2:20:47 | 2:20:49 | |
you cannot make people's lives hell. | 2:20:49 | 2:20:51 | |
What she has been through and what her family have been through | 2:20:51 | 2:20:54 | |
and her friends, and yet there seems to be no help or | 2:20:54 | 2:20:57 | |
assistance from the justice system or the PSNI. | 2:20:57 | 2:21:01 | |
Brenda Hale plans to bring a Private Member's Bill | 2:21:01 | 2:21:05 | |
to address the gap in the law. | 2:21:05 | 2:21:07 | |
Today, the new Justice Minister said extending the provisions here | 2:21:07 | 2:21:11 | |
is something she'd be willing to consider. | 2:21:11 | 2:21:14 | |
But for women who have felt hunted for years, | 2:21:14 | 2:21:17 | |
a change will come too late. | 2:21:17 | 2:21:19 |