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I am delighted to declare Naomi Long MLA elected as party leader. | 1:50:33 | 1:50:38 | |
APPLAUSE AND CHEERING | 1:50:38 | 1:50:40 | |
Alliance have a new leader. | 1:50:40 | 1:50:42 | |
What unites us and what makes us strong are our shared beliefs | 1:50:46 | 1:50:49 | |
and our common values, | 1:50:49 | 1:50:51 | |
a shared belief that our society can thrive... | 1:50:51 | 1:50:54 | |
Naomi Long promises to renew the Alliance Party. | 1:50:54 | 1:50:58 | |
But can she transform the fortunes of a small party | 1:50:58 | 1:51:01 | |
that's outside the Executive and outside the official opposition? | 1:51:01 | 1:51:05 | |
I followed Naomi Long in the run-up to her election, | 1:51:06 | 1:51:09 | |
unopposed, as leader. | 1:51:09 | 1:51:11 | |
Alliance normally attracts your middle of the road, do-gooder types, | 1:51:11 | 1:51:15 | |
maybe a wee bit dull, and there's one thing about Naomi Long - | 1:51:15 | 1:51:18 | |
she isn't wishy-washy. | 1:51:18 | 1:51:20 | |
Four years ago, she was under death threat from Loyalist paramilitaries, | 1:51:22 | 1:51:27 | |
targeted after Alliance backed a vote | 1:51:27 | 1:51:29 | |
to restrict the flying of the Union flag at Belfast City Hall. | 1:51:29 | 1:51:34 | |
No surrender! | 1:51:34 | 1:51:37 | |
Tonight, Naomi Long lays the blame for the violence | 1:51:37 | 1:51:40 | |
that engulfed her and her party over the flag protests | 1:51:40 | 1:51:43 | |
firmly with the DUP and the UUP. | 1:51:43 | 1:51:48 | |
They whipped it up to a point | 1:51:48 | 1:51:49 | |
where it was then beyond their control to stop it. | 1:51:49 | 1:51:51 | |
She unveils her alternative vision to Unionism. | 1:51:53 | 1:51:56 | |
You've said you're not a Unionist, but do you care about the union? | 1:51:58 | 1:52:01 | |
Would it make life easier for me if I pretended I was a Unionist? | 1:52:01 | 1:52:05 | |
Maybe it would, but it's not who I am. | 1:52:05 | 1:52:07 | |
And she talks for the first time | 1:52:08 | 1:52:10 | |
about a major health scare she suffered | 1:52:10 | 1:52:12 | |
while under death threat from the UVF. | 1:52:12 | 1:52:15 | |
Whatever threats people can make, | 1:52:15 | 1:52:17 | |
there's nothing quite as frightening | 1:52:17 | 1:52:19 | |
as when your own body is working against you. | 1:52:19 | 1:52:22 | |
The new Alliance leader was born 44 years ago | 1:52:42 | 1:52:45 | |
into the Mersey Street area of East Belfast. | 1:52:45 | 1:52:48 | |
Home was a two-up two-down house | 1:52:49 | 1:52:51 | |
in a traditional working-class Unionist community | 1:52:51 | 1:52:54 | |
in the shadow of the Harland & Wolff cranes. | 1:52:54 | 1:52:57 | |
She was the only child of Emily and James Johnston. | 1:52:59 | 1:53:02 | |
Emily was a Presbyterian Sunday school teacher. | 1:53:03 | 1:53:06 | |
James was an engineer in the shipyard. | 1:53:08 | 1:53:11 | |
The school that I went to and indeed that my parents went to behind me, | 1:53:11 | 1:53:15 | |
kind of diagonally opposite, is Mersey Street Presbyterian Church. | 1:53:15 | 1:53:18 | |
That's where I went to Guides and Rangers | 1:53:18 | 1:53:20 | |
and that's where I went to youth fellowship. | 1:53:20 | 1:53:22 | |
What is now Oval Court, but you can see those two houses, | 1:53:22 | 1:53:26 | |
there was a row of about... Well, there was a street there, | 1:53:26 | 1:53:28 | |
Downpatrick Street and I grew up in number 17. | 1:53:28 | 1:53:31 | |
It was all in this area, kind of right in the shadow | 1:53:31 | 1:53:34 | |
of Samson and Goliath and right beside the Oval. | 1:53:34 | 1:53:37 | |
Young Naomi was surrounded by flags and emblems. | 1:53:40 | 1:53:44 | |
Her dad was in the Orange Order and the Royal Black Preceptory. | 1:53:44 | 1:53:47 | |
He was master of the local lodge, and she remembers bands | 1:53:47 | 1:53:51 | |
marching off from the front of their home on the 12th of July. | 1:53:51 | 1:53:55 | |
We had the 12th left our house, I think, twice, | 1:53:55 | 1:53:58 | |
while I was growing up. | 1:53:58 | 1:54:00 | |
They used to head up to Templemore Avenue | 1:54:00 | 1:54:02 | |
and to District Six to join with the rest of the parade up there. | 1:54:02 | 1:54:06 | |
-So this is where you went to school? -It is. -Mersey Street. | 1:54:08 | 1:54:11 | |
It is, Mersey Street Primary School. | 1:54:11 | 1:54:13 | |
These were some of our primary photographs. | 1:54:13 | 1:54:16 | |
Our class photos. That was me in P3. | 1:54:16 | 1:54:21 | |
Mrs Little, one of my favourite teachers. | 1:54:21 | 1:54:24 | |
This is where the headmaster's office kind of was, | 1:54:24 | 1:54:26 | |
in this corridor. There was a school office. Headmaster's office. | 1:54:26 | 1:54:30 | |
So you were only here if there was kind of bad news | 1:54:30 | 1:54:34 | |
-or you were really bad. -Were you ever bad? -Not really. | 1:54:34 | 1:54:38 | |
I was never sent here for anything bad. | 1:54:38 | 1:54:39 | |
The only time I was sent to the headmaster's office, | 1:54:39 | 1:54:42 | |
it was bad news. And it was that my dad had taken ill | 1:54:42 | 1:54:44 | |
and was taken into hospital. He had a stroke. | 1:54:44 | 1:54:46 | |
James Johnston never worked again. | 1:54:51 | 1:54:54 | |
Two years later, he died of a heart attack | 1:54:54 | 1:54:56 | |
on the street outside their home. | 1:54:56 | 1:54:58 | |
After her dad's death, she says an incident happened | 1:55:00 | 1:55:03 | |
that affected her deeply, | 1:55:03 | 1:55:05 | |
a defining moment that would help shape her political beliefs. | 1:55:05 | 1:55:10 | |
Her mum, Emily, an outspoken woman, | 1:55:10 | 1:55:13 | |
stood up to Loyalists who she believed were trying bully her. | 1:55:13 | 1:55:17 | |
When workers from the Irish Republic arrived in Mersey Street | 1:55:19 | 1:55:23 | |
to build Housing Executive flats, she disagreed with Loyalist plans | 1:55:23 | 1:55:27 | |
to paint the kerbs red, white and blue | 1:55:27 | 1:55:30 | |
and she refused to help pay for it. | 1:55:30 | 1:55:33 | |
They came round to do a collection to get money | 1:55:33 | 1:55:36 | |
to paint the kerbs and my mum said no. | 1:55:36 | 1:55:38 | |
She also wasn't happy because she knew it was being done | 1:55:38 | 1:55:40 | |
because of the workmen. | 1:55:40 | 1:55:42 | |
And the next morning when she got up and lifted the blind, | 1:55:42 | 1:55:45 | |
there was a massive Union flag painted outside the house | 1:55:45 | 1:55:48 | |
with "No surrender, remember 1690" on it, you know. | 1:55:48 | 1:55:52 | |
And that was the message, I guess to her, you know, | 1:55:52 | 1:55:54 | |
that you don't express your opinions unless they're in agreement | 1:55:54 | 1:55:58 | |
with everyone else. It did shake her. | 1:55:58 | 1:56:01 | |
You know, internally, she was nervous about what had happened, | 1:56:01 | 1:56:05 | |
but she was determined to stand up for herself. | 1:56:05 | 1:56:09 | |
It wasn't that she minded the flag, it wasn't that she was anti-flag, | 1:56:09 | 1:56:13 | |
it wasn't anything like that. | 1:56:13 | 1:56:15 | |
It was just she didn't like it being abused to try and exert control | 1:56:15 | 1:56:19 | |
and that has, I guess... | 1:56:19 | 1:56:23 | |
That has been something that's very deep in me, too. | 1:56:23 | 1:56:26 | |
Emily Johnston's stand would lay the groundwork | 1:56:29 | 1:56:32 | |
for her daughter's political vision, | 1:56:32 | 1:56:35 | |
and challenge her to seek out an alternative to mainstream Unionism. | 1:56:35 | 1:56:39 | |
Naomi Long joined the Alliance Party while studying engineering | 1:56:43 | 1:56:46 | |
as a student at Queen's University. | 1:56:46 | 1:56:49 | |
She became MLA for her home constituency in 2003. | 1:56:49 | 1:56:54 | |
Thank you very much. It was lovely. | 1:56:55 | 1:56:58 | |
But her most significant, show-stopping moment came in 2010, | 1:56:58 | 1:57:02 | |
when she sensationally defeated Peter Robinson | 1:57:02 | 1:57:05 | |
in the Westminster election, becoming the first non-Unionist MP | 1:57:05 | 1:57:09 | |
to represent East Belfast. | 1:57:09 | 1:57:12 | |
And I declare that Naomi Long has been elected to serve in Parliament, | 1:57:13 | 1:57:16 | |
-for the East Belfast constituency. -CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 1:57:16 | 1:57:20 | |
It was an extraordinary victory for her | 1:57:23 | 1:57:26 | |
and a massive defeat for Unionism. | 1:57:26 | 1:57:28 | |
Peter Robinson had held the safe seat for over 30 years. | 1:57:30 | 1:57:35 | |
From that moment, Naomi Long was the target of Unionists | 1:57:35 | 1:57:39 | |
determined to win it back. | 1:57:39 | 1:57:40 | |
That scared Unionism, which had spent the past 50 years | 1:57:43 | 1:57:46 | |
telling people you must vote for this person. | 1:57:46 | 1:57:49 | |
This person is a Unionist, | 1:57:49 | 1:57:50 | |
this person believes in the flag and suddenly, out of nowhere, | 1:57:50 | 1:57:53 | |
in 2010, an Alliance candidate, | 1:57:53 | 1:57:56 | |
someone like Naomi Long, | 1:57:56 | 1:57:58 | |
a woman, for goodness' sake! | 1:57:58 | 1:57:59 | |
Instead of these parties going, "Why did we lose?" | 1:57:59 | 1:58:01 | |
which is the real thing you do when you lose an election, | 1:58:01 | 1:58:05 | |
it was a, "Well, it's her fault, | 1:58:05 | 1:58:06 | |
"she's part of a bigger conspiracy, we must get together to stop this." | 1:58:06 | 1:58:10 | |
The opportunity to stop Naomi Long arose two years later, | 1:58:10 | 1:58:15 | |
when a dispute over a proposal to restrict the flying | 1:58:15 | 1:58:19 | |
of the Union flag over Belfast City Hall to designated days, | 1:58:19 | 1:58:23 | |
enabled the DUP and UUP to portray her and the Alliance Party | 1:58:23 | 1:58:28 | |
as enemies of the union. | 1:58:28 | 1:58:30 | |
Weeks before the crucial vote, | 1:58:33 | 1:58:35 | |
thousands of leaflets were distributed across the city. | 1:58:35 | 1:58:39 | |
They were produced by the DUP and UUP. | 1:58:39 | 1:58:42 | |
DUP counsellors helped to pay for and distribute them. | 1:58:42 | 1:58:45 | |
A perfectly legitimate factual leaflet was put out | 1:58:47 | 1:58:50 | |
by the Unionist representatives in Belfast City Council. | 1:58:50 | 1:58:54 | |
The leaflet was about awareness raising | 1:58:54 | 1:58:56 | |
in the hope that people would go to those | 1:58:56 | 1:58:58 | |
who had the casting votes, the Alliance Party, | 1:58:58 | 1:59:00 | |
and persuade them to support the flying of the flag. | 1:59:00 | 1:59:03 | |
The leaflet, printed in yellow - Alliance's colours - | 1:59:03 | 1:59:06 | |
listed contact details for the party headquarters and Naomi Long. | 1:59:06 | 1:59:11 | |
She believes it was a clear attempt to lay political blame | 1:59:11 | 1:59:14 | |
over the flag issue at her feet, | 1:59:14 | 1:59:17 | |
even though she was not on Belfast City Council | 1:59:17 | 1:59:19 | |
and didn't have a vote. | 1:59:19 | 1:59:21 | |
I think the leaflet was about making me a figure of hate | 1:59:23 | 1:59:27 | |
for Unionists in East Belfast | 1:59:27 | 1:59:29 | |
in order that I would lose the seat in Westminster, | 1:59:29 | 1:59:34 | |
or leave the seat in Westminster, | 1:59:34 | 1:59:37 | |
and I don't think they cared too much either way which it was. | 1:59:37 | 1:59:41 | |
But I think it was completely politically motivated. | 1:59:41 | 1:59:44 | |
I don't think it was about the flag. | 1:59:44 | 1:59:46 | |
The DUP have denied | 1:59:48 | 1:59:49 | |
that they produced the leaflet to damage her. | 1:59:49 | 1:59:52 | |
They dismiss suggestions that the campaign was focused | 1:59:53 | 1:59:56 | |
on East Belfast as nonsense. | 1:59:56 | 1:59:58 | |
Contact details for all Alliance offices in Belfast | 2:00:00 | 2:00:03 | |
were given out, they say. | 2:00:03 | 2:00:05 | |
But in 2012, there were only two Alliance offices in the city. | 2:00:07 | 2:00:12 | |
Party HQ in South Belfast | 2:00:12 | 2:00:15 | |
and Naomi Long's East Belfast constituency office. | 2:00:15 | 2:00:18 | |
The DUP say they provided publicly available details for both offices, | 2:00:18 | 2:00:24 | |
not for individual representatives. | 2:00:24 | 2:00:27 | |
But they did single out Naomi Long, who was the only Alliance member | 2:00:27 | 2:00:32 | |
named in the leaflet. | 2:00:32 | 2:00:33 | |
While it urges respect, it also accuses her and her party | 2:00:33 | 2:00:38 | |
of wanting to rip and tear down the Union flag | 2:00:38 | 2:00:41 | |
on all but a few days. | 2:00:41 | 2:00:43 | |
When the motion was passed at City Hall, | 2:00:48 | 2:00:50 | |
violence erupted within minutes. | 2:00:50 | 2:00:53 | |
SIRENS AND YELLING | 2:00:53 | 2:00:55 | |
No surrender! | 2:00:57 | 2:01:00 | |
It continued to escalate. | 2:01:01 | 2:01:03 | |
Naomi Long was one of those who bore the brunt of Loyalist anger. | 2:01:06 | 2:01:10 | |
She received her first death threat days after the vote. | 2:01:12 | 2:01:16 | |
I had just gone to bed and we got a rap on the door | 2:01:16 | 2:01:19 | |
from the police. | 2:01:19 | 2:01:20 | |
And they told me that... Very bluntly, that a threat | 2:01:21 | 2:01:25 | |
had been issued, that if I returned to my office or stayed at my home, | 2:01:25 | 2:01:30 | |
I would be shot. | 2:01:30 | 2:01:31 | |
And that it had come from a paramilitary organisation | 2:01:31 | 2:01:35 | |
with recognised codewords. | 2:01:35 | 2:01:37 | |
Between 2012 and 2013, | 2:01:37 | 2:01:40 | |
the MP for East Belfast received five death threats. | 2:01:40 | 2:01:43 | |
Police confirmed some of them were from the UVF. | 2:01:43 | 2:01:46 | |
Alliance offices were picketed and petrol bombed | 2:01:46 | 2:01:49 | |
and staff assaulted. | 2:01:49 | 2:01:50 | |
It was almost impossible for them at times to function | 2:01:51 | 2:01:54 | |
because of protesters outside and yet she didn't back down. | 2:01:54 | 2:01:57 | |
A PSNI officer on duty outside Naomi Long's office | 2:01:59 | 2:02:02 | |
was almost killed when a bomb was thrown through the window | 2:02:02 | 2:02:06 | |
of a police car. | 2:02:06 | 2:02:07 | |
Did you, at any time, | 2:02:08 | 2:02:09 | |
think, "Something might happen, I could get shot here?" | 2:02:09 | 2:02:12 | |
Yes, I did. I don't think I'm invincible. | 2:02:12 | 2:02:16 | |
Erm, but... | 2:02:16 | 2:02:17 | |
At the end of the day, I have a strong faith. | 2:02:19 | 2:02:22 | |
If something's going to happen, it's going to happen. | 2:02:22 | 2:02:25 | |
There isn't anything that I can do to change that, by a day or an hour, | 2:02:25 | 2:02:31 | |
it's not in my gift. | 2:02:31 | 2:02:33 | |
She says she recognised faces in the mob. | 2:02:33 | 2:02:36 | |
She was being attacked by some of her old neighbours | 2:02:36 | 2:02:39 | |
and people she went to school with. | 2:02:39 | 2:02:42 | |
That was an odd experience. | 2:02:42 | 2:02:44 | |
Because they weren't just faceless people, | 2:02:44 | 2:02:47 | |
they were people that I knew. | 2:02:47 | 2:02:49 | |
-How do you deal with that? -I didn't feel afraid of them, | 2:02:49 | 2:02:52 | |
because they weren't scary people - they were angry people. | 2:02:52 | 2:02:56 | |
And I don't entirely blame the people in the protest | 2:02:56 | 2:02:59 | |
for that anger, but I do blame those who whipped it up. | 2:02:59 | 2:03:02 | |
The DUP and UUP leaders appealed for the protest to stop. | 2:03:02 | 2:03:08 | |
Anyone who attacks a police officer, | 2:03:08 | 2:03:11 | |
anyone who attacks an elected politician, | 2:03:11 | 2:03:13 | |
anyone who attacks any individual, | 2:03:13 | 2:03:15 | |
fails to understand the values that encapsulate the Union flag. | 2:03:15 | 2:03:22 | |
There is no rationale. How do you call yourself a Loyalist | 2:03:22 | 2:03:25 | |
and then throw a petrol bomb into the back of a police car? | 2:03:25 | 2:03:27 | |
I mean, it is absurd. | 2:03:27 | 2:03:29 | |
But Naomi Long says those appeals came too late for her and her party. | 2:03:29 | 2:03:34 | |
Do you think they anticipated the violence that happened? | 2:03:35 | 2:03:40 | |
Erm... Probably... Probably not. | 2:03:40 | 2:03:44 | |
But I don't know that they really cared one way or the other | 2:03:44 | 2:03:47 | |
when they delivered the leaflets. | 2:03:47 | 2:03:49 | |
I mean, the leaflets were written in such a way | 2:03:50 | 2:03:53 | |
that they were designed to wind people up. | 2:03:53 | 2:03:56 | |
Both the UUP and DUP have categorically denied any attempt | 2:03:56 | 2:04:02 | |
to whip up hatred. | 2:04:02 | 2:04:03 | |
No-one was out on the streets after that leaflet was put out. | 2:04:03 | 2:04:06 | |
No-one was out on the streets. | 2:04:06 | 2:04:07 | |
It wasn't until the vote was taken | 2:04:07 | 2:04:09 | |
and parties decided that they wanted to alter the status quo | 2:04:09 | 2:04:13 | |
that people came on the streets. | 2:04:13 | 2:04:14 | |
The leaflet campaign, the awareness campaign, failed, | 2:04:14 | 2:04:16 | |
but it didn't provoke the violence. | 2:04:16 | 2:04:18 | |
It was the result of the vote that provoked the violence. | 2:04:18 | 2:04:22 | |
There are those who accuse Naomi Long of being a hypocrite. | 2:04:22 | 2:04:26 | |
She condemned Loyalist demonstrations, | 2:04:26 | 2:04:28 | |
but had been happy to reap the benefits of a Loyalist protest vote | 2:04:28 | 2:04:32 | |
against Peter Robinson in 2010. | 2:04:32 | 2:04:35 | |
Today, it's widely accepted that the PUP, historically linked to the UVF, | 2:04:35 | 2:04:40 | |
then led by Dawn Purvis, encouraged members to support her, | 2:04:40 | 2:04:44 | |
rather than the DUP. | 2:04:44 | 2:04:46 | |
Well, I mean, it is levelled constantly, and it's a lie. | 2:04:46 | 2:04:50 | |
If individual members of those organisations vote for me, | 2:04:50 | 2:04:53 | |
I can't do anything about that. | 2:04:53 | 2:04:55 | |
If they think that I'm providing representation | 2:04:55 | 2:04:57 | |
that's good for them and their community, | 2:04:57 | 2:04:59 | |
there's nothing I can or would want to change about that, | 2:04:59 | 2:05:02 | |
but I have never sought their support, | 2:05:02 | 2:05:05 | |
I have never had any kind of arrangements with them. | 2:05:05 | 2:05:09 | |
Did you canvas with Dawn Purvis in 2010 in East Belfast? | 2:05:09 | 2:05:14 | |
No! I didn't canvas with Dawn Purvis in any election anywhere. | 2:05:14 | 2:05:19 | |
This is another piece of the "UVF supporting Alliance" myth. | 2:05:19 | 2:05:23 | |
Today, Naomi Long's home is still ringed with security sensors | 2:05:23 | 2:05:27 | |
and has bombproof windows and doors. | 2:05:27 | 2:05:30 | |
She shares her home with her husband, Michael, a dentist. | 2:05:30 | 2:05:34 | |
They've been together since they were 14. | 2:05:34 | 2:05:36 | |
You're both in the Alliance Party. | 2:05:36 | 2:05:38 | |
Obviously, you're a councillor. Is there ever any friction there? | 2:05:38 | 2:05:42 | |
Not really. We both got elected at the same time about 15 years ago | 2:05:42 | 2:05:45 | |
and my trajectory has kind of gone like that | 2:05:45 | 2:05:48 | |
and Naomi's has kind of gone like that! | 2:05:48 | 2:05:50 | |
So... Yeah, I mean, you know, | 2:05:50 | 2:05:53 | |
Naomi has a lot of talents as a politician and, erm... | 2:05:53 | 2:05:58 | |
I know my place, don't I? | 2:05:58 | 2:06:00 | |
Not at all! Everybody assumes that I'm the feisty one | 2:06:00 | 2:06:03 | |
but anybody who has seen him in the chamber, | 2:06:03 | 2:06:07 | |
I can tell you, he's feisty enough when it suits him. | 2:06:07 | 2:06:10 | |
Do you ever get a word in edgeways? | 2:06:10 | 2:06:12 | |
Oh, yeah! Sometimes, when she's sleeping. | 2:06:12 | 2:06:14 | |
THEY LAUGH | 2:06:14 | 2:06:16 | |
The couple were deeply affected by the flag protests. | 2:06:18 | 2:06:21 | |
But Naomi Long says she would take the same stand again. | 2:06:21 | 2:06:26 | |
Do you understand why people would say, | 2:06:26 | 2:06:27 | |
"Representative for East Belfast, how could you not have known | 2:06:27 | 2:06:31 | |
"that people would have been genuinely distressed, offended, | 2:06:31 | 2:06:35 | |
"by any attempt to remove the flag?" | 2:06:35 | 2:06:38 | |
Because it wasn't an attempt to remove the flag | 2:06:38 | 2:06:41 | |
and that's the fundamental lie in all of this. | 2:06:41 | 2:06:44 | |
The attempt to remove the flag was Sinn Fein's proposal, | 2:06:44 | 2:06:47 | |
that the flag should not fly. | 2:06:47 | 2:06:49 | |
Alliance didn't support that proposal. | 2:06:49 | 2:06:53 | |
Alliance supported a proposal to fly the flag in the same way | 2:06:53 | 2:06:58 | |
as it's flown at the majority of council buildings | 2:06:58 | 2:07:00 | |
across the rest of the UK. | 2:07:00 | 2:07:01 | |
But four years on, the deep hurt and anger of those people | 2:07:04 | 2:07:08 | |
who felt betrayed by her stance has not diminished. | 2:07:08 | 2:07:11 | |
The Alliance leader grew up yards from Glentoran football ground. | 2:07:13 | 2:07:17 | |
Today, many fans bristle at the very mention of her name, | 2:07:17 | 2:07:21 | |
including those who were not involved in the flag protests. | 2:07:21 | 2:07:25 | |
I think she's a traitor to this area, to East Belfast. | 2:07:25 | 2:07:28 | |
And why do you think she's a traitor to this area? | 2:07:28 | 2:07:30 | |
Well, people elected her and she didn't do | 2:07:30 | 2:07:31 | |
-what she said she was going to do. -What did you want her to do? | 2:07:31 | 2:07:34 | |
I wanted her to support the people of East Belfast. | 2:07:34 | 2:07:37 | |
I just think she's following the Sinn Fein agenda. | 2:07:37 | 2:07:39 | |
She's not pro-Unionist at all. | 2:07:39 | 2:07:41 | |
Do you think a non-Unionist | 2:07:41 | 2:07:44 | |
can represent the people of East Belfast? | 2:07:44 | 2:07:46 | |
-Some people in Alliance could do, but not Naomi. -Why not Naomi? | 2:07:46 | 2:07:50 | |
Because - just her views. She's just anti-Unionist. | 2:07:50 | 2:07:53 | |
Do you agree with her politics? | 2:07:53 | 2:07:54 | |
-No, I do not. -Why not? -She's all one-sided. | 2:07:54 | 2:07:58 | |
Others believe Naomi Long does represent Unionists | 2:07:59 | 2:08:02 | |
in East Belfast. | 2:08:02 | 2:08:03 | |
She's hard-working, she comes from this area | 2:08:03 | 2:08:06 | |
and she's the right type of person. | 2:08:06 | 2:08:08 | |
And what did you make of her stance on the flag protests? | 2:08:08 | 2:08:12 | |
Well... what's the difference? Was that not the policy in Stormont? | 2:08:12 | 2:08:17 | |
Designated days. | 2:08:17 | 2:08:18 | |
Why isn't it designated days for everywhere in this country? | 2:08:18 | 2:08:21 | |
At the very height of the violence around the flag protests, | 2:08:24 | 2:08:28 | |
Naomi Long had to deal with another threat, a major health scare. | 2:08:28 | 2:08:32 | |
A mole on her wrist was skin cancer. | 2:08:32 | 2:08:35 | |
Can you remember where you were when they said, | 2:08:35 | 2:08:37 | |
"Look, you've got cancer?" | 2:08:37 | 2:08:40 | |
I was in my living room, because the person who had looked at my wrist | 2:08:40 | 2:08:46 | |
was a friend as well as my doctor and had come to tell me at home... | 2:08:46 | 2:08:52 | |
Erm... What it was. But I knew. | 2:08:52 | 2:08:56 | |
I guess a cancer diagnosis | 2:08:56 | 2:08:58 | |
kind of puts a bullet in the post in perspective. | 2:08:58 | 2:09:01 | |
Because, you know, whatever politics can do to you, | 2:09:01 | 2:09:04 | |
whatever threats people can make, there's nothing quite as frightening | 2:09:04 | 2:09:07 | |
as when your own body is working against you. | 2:09:07 | 2:09:10 | |
It was just...pure devastation to find out that this is what it was. | 2:09:11 | 2:09:17 | |
It was malignant melanoma and... | 2:09:17 | 2:09:21 | |
Just that it wasn't... | 2:09:21 | 2:09:23 | |
It had been there for a wee while, | 2:09:23 | 2:09:24 | |
and obviously that was of real concern. And... | 2:09:24 | 2:09:29 | |
..really, I think, at that stage, you're just wondering | 2:09:30 | 2:09:32 | |
what was coming next, to be honest with you, | 2:09:32 | 2:09:34 | |
between the flag stuff and everything else. | 2:09:34 | 2:09:38 | |
I had to go back for further surgery | 2:09:38 | 2:09:40 | |
where I had an additional part of my skin | 2:09:40 | 2:09:45 | |
on my wrist removed around it, a sort of safe zone. | 2:09:45 | 2:09:47 | |
And my arm then had to be reflected back and put in a cast | 2:09:49 | 2:09:52 | |
to avoid me having a skin graft. | 2:09:52 | 2:09:55 | |
Once the cancer was cut out, | 2:09:55 | 2:09:57 | |
there was no need for further treatment, | 2:09:57 | 2:09:59 | |
but there would be more health scares in the coming months. | 2:09:59 | 2:10:03 | |
I think it was within about six months | 2:10:03 | 2:10:05 | |
that there was another kind of lesion was found. And... | 2:10:05 | 2:10:10 | |
I think that just really knocked us for six at that point, | 2:10:10 | 2:10:13 | |
because we kind of thought you were getting over it a bit, | 2:10:13 | 2:10:17 | |
and then this happened again. | 2:10:17 | 2:10:20 | |
Where are you now with your diagnosis? | 2:10:22 | 2:10:25 | |
Three and a half years clear. And feeling good. | 2:10:25 | 2:10:28 | |
I've had two other moles removed which were fine, | 2:10:28 | 2:10:30 | |
but I'm obviously really cautious now, | 2:10:30 | 2:10:33 | |
so anything at all that gives me any trouble, | 2:10:33 | 2:10:36 | |
I get it looked at immediately and preferably removed. | 2:10:36 | 2:10:40 | |
She says she's talking about it now | 2:10:41 | 2:10:43 | |
to help raise awareness about skin cancer. | 2:10:43 | 2:10:45 | |
If I had talked about it then, | 2:10:46 | 2:10:48 | |
it would have been portrayed as me wishing to be a victim. | 2:10:48 | 2:10:50 | |
And I'm nobody's victim. | 2:10:50 | 2:10:52 | |
I didn't want anyone to think I was seeking sympathy. | 2:10:52 | 2:10:56 | |
She was determined, she says, to keep going, | 2:10:56 | 2:10:59 | |
but Unionists were determined that she wouldn't be back at Westminster. | 2:10:59 | 2:11:04 | |
In 2015, they joined forces, forming a pact | 2:11:04 | 2:11:09 | |
to ensure Gavin Robinson of the DUP | 2:11:09 | 2:11:12 | |
could win back the East Belfast seat for Unionism. | 2:11:12 | 2:11:15 | |
The DUP and Ulster Unionists unveiled an electoral pact | 2:11:16 | 2:11:20 | |
covering four general election constituencies. | 2:11:20 | 2:11:23 | |
The DUP did not field candidates | 2:11:23 | 2:11:26 | |
in Fermanagh and South Tyrone and Newry and Armagh. | 2:11:26 | 2:11:30 | |
The UUP gave the DUP a clear run at Westminster | 2:11:30 | 2:11:33 | |
in North and East Belfast. | 2:11:33 | 2:11:36 | |
East Belfast, once one of the electoral | 2:11:36 | 2:11:38 | |
jewels of Unionism's crown. | 2:11:38 | 2:11:41 | |
She had made it an unsafe seat for Unionism. | 2:11:41 | 2:11:43 | |
They had to do a pact to make sure they could win the seat back. | 2:11:43 | 2:11:47 | |
The strength of the animosity that existed | 2:11:48 | 2:11:51 | |
between the DUP and Naomi Long | 2:11:51 | 2:11:53 | |
was evident in Gavin Robinson's acceptance speech. | 2:11:53 | 2:11:57 | |
Ladies and gentlemen, I'm delighted the last five long years are over. | 2:11:57 | 2:12:03 | |
CHEERING | 2:12:03 | 2:12:05 | |
With the Unionist vote united around one candidate, | 2:12:10 | 2:12:14 | |
Naomi Long was defeated, even though she increased her vote by 4,000. | 2:12:14 | 2:12:19 | |
After her defeat, Naomi Long and her husband took six months out | 2:12:20 | 2:12:24 | |
to travel the world. | 2:12:24 | 2:12:26 | |
She considered leaving politics for good. | 2:12:26 | 2:12:29 | |
I didn't go to any meetings, any political meetings, | 2:12:29 | 2:12:32 | |
I didn't watch political television. I switched off completely. | 2:12:32 | 2:12:37 | |
But, she says, in the end she realised her future lay in politics. | 2:12:37 | 2:12:42 | |
I just felt that for me, it was the right thing to be doing, | 2:12:42 | 2:12:46 | |
it was something that I really enjoy. | 2:12:46 | 2:12:48 | |
As Alliance Leader, Naomi Long's biggest challenge | 2:12:52 | 2:12:56 | |
will be to carve out a significant role, | 2:12:56 | 2:12:58 | |
a relevant voice for a small party that's not in government, | 2:12:58 | 2:13:03 | |
not in opposition, and that still struggles to be heard | 2:13:03 | 2:13:07 | |
outside its power base of greater Belfast. | 2:13:07 | 2:13:11 | |
If we're talking about our strength as a society being diversity... | 2:13:12 | 2:13:17 | |
But Naomi Long is confident that she can attract new voters. | 2:13:17 | 2:13:21 | |
We have a challenge in terms of integrating communities. | 2:13:22 | 2:13:26 | |
People with different sexualities who feel excluded from society. | 2:13:26 | 2:13:31 | |
We have people who come here from other places | 2:13:31 | 2:13:34 | |
and from ethnic minority backgrounds, | 2:13:34 | 2:13:37 | |
who often keep their head down in politics. | 2:13:37 | 2:13:39 | |
My vision for the Alliance Party is to build on the diversity | 2:13:39 | 2:13:43 | |
that we have as a party. | 2:13:43 | 2:13:45 | |
But how much appeal will that vision have | 2:13:45 | 2:13:47 | |
with voters across Northern Ireland? | 2:13:47 | 2:13:50 | |
She did attract votes from all across the political spectrum | 2:13:50 | 2:13:53 | |
in East Belfast, but they were very specific circumstances | 2:13:53 | 2:13:56 | |
and there was a lot of sympathy towards Naomi Long. | 2:13:56 | 2:13:59 | |
Can she do it across Northern Ireland? That remains to be seen. | 2:13:59 | 2:14:03 | |
I think she's in for a very tough time in terms of attracting voters | 2:14:03 | 2:14:06 | |
to Alliance west of the Bann. | 2:14:06 | 2:14:07 | |
I don't think Alliance's agenda necessarily appeals there. | 2:14:07 | 2:14:11 | |
And in working-class Catholic areas, | 2:14:11 | 2:14:13 | |
I really can't see Alliance breaking through. | 2:14:13 | 2:14:17 | |
Naomi Long has a strong Christian faith | 2:14:17 | 2:14:19 | |
but she says that doesn't constrain her vision | 2:14:19 | 2:14:23 | |
of a progressive, liberal society. | 2:14:23 | 2:14:25 | |
But her liberal views have already caused tension | 2:14:25 | 2:14:29 | |
with more conservative Christians within her church. | 2:14:29 | 2:14:32 | |
I think if she was an atheist, if she was agnostic, | 2:14:33 | 2:14:35 | |
she would be easier to deal with, | 2:14:35 | 2:14:37 | |
because this woman does go to church on a Sunday | 2:14:37 | 2:14:39 | |
and yet holds these liberal views. | 2:14:39 | 2:14:41 | |
So it's very, very hard to put her down as being anti-God | 2:14:41 | 2:14:44 | |
or some kind of dangerous radical. | 2:14:44 | 2:14:47 | |
The new Alliance leader has made legalisation of same-sex marriage | 2:14:49 | 2:14:53 | |
and abortion in cases of rape, incest and fatal foetal abnormality | 2:14:53 | 2:14:58 | |
her priorities, but her liberal social agenda | 2:14:58 | 2:15:01 | |
does not appeal to everyone. | 2:15:01 | 2:15:04 | |
I think she needs to be careful, | 2:15:04 | 2:15:05 | |
first of all in assuming that all her party back her. | 2:15:05 | 2:15:07 | |
There is probably quite a sizeable section of the Alliance vote | 2:15:07 | 2:15:11 | |
which would be uncomfortable with same-sex marriage. | 2:15:11 | 2:15:14 | |
Many of them would also be uncomfortable | 2:15:14 | 2:15:16 | |
with the abortion changes. | 2:15:16 | 2:15:18 | |
I'm simply saying because you take a position | 2:15:18 | 2:15:20 | |
on the socio-moral ground, again that may not necessarily translate | 2:15:20 | 2:15:24 | |
into votes at a later stage. | 2:15:24 | 2:15:26 | |
Same-sex marriage has already caused a public disagreement | 2:15:26 | 2:15:29 | |
between the Presbyterian Church and the Alliance party. | 2:15:29 | 2:15:33 | |
Justice Minister David Ford has been removed from his role as an elder | 2:15:33 | 2:15:38 | |
in his local Presbyterian church. | 2:15:38 | 2:15:40 | |
Naomi Long is a member of Bloomfield Presbyterian Church | 2:15:41 | 2:15:44 | |
in East Belfast. | 2:15:44 | 2:15:46 | |
Her minister, Dr Frank Sellar, is the Presbyterian Moderator. | 2:15:46 | 2:15:50 | |
He agreed to talk to me as her minister and says he admires | 2:15:50 | 2:15:54 | |
her public expression of faith. | 2:15:54 | 2:15:56 | |
Simply because somebody is a Christian doesn't mean to say | 2:15:56 | 2:15:59 | |
they have to hide that under a bush. | 2:15:59 | 2:16:02 | |
So it is right that politicians should express their Christian faith | 2:16:02 | 2:16:06 | |
in whatever way they can. | 2:16:06 | 2:16:07 | |
But he says they have repeatedly clashed | 2:16:07 | 2:16:10 | |
on the issue of same-sex marriage. | 2:16:10 | 2:16:12 | |
Well, Naomi and I have had robust conversations. | 2:16:13 | 2:16:17 | |
They really have been quite upfront. | 2:16:17 | 2:16:19 | |
She knows the position, the historic position | 2:16:19 | 2:16:22 | |
of the Christian church, | 2:16:22 | 2:16:24 | |
that marriage is between one man and one woman. | 2:16:24 | 2:16:27 | |
And just because this, as it were, is the flavour of the month, | 2:16:27 | 2:16:31 | |
doesn't mean to say that the historic position of the church | 2:16:31 | 2:16:34 | |
is going to change on that matter. | 2:16:34 | 2:16:36 | |
People may or may not accept it. | 2:16:36 | 2:16:39 | |
We don't... We're are not in the business of being popular. | 2:16:39 | 2:16:42 | |
Naomi Long says her minister's views | 2:16:42 | 2:16:45 | |
won't deter her from promoting same-sex marriage. | 2:16:45 | 2:16:49 | |
He is entitled to a view, he is entitled to express it, as am I. | 2:16:49 | 2:16:53 | |
But for many, however successful her liberal vision may or may not be, | 2:16:55 | 2:17:00 | |
as leader, it's her attitude to the union that really matters. | 2:17:00 | 2:17:05 | |
It always comes back to the issue, where do you stand on the union? | 2:17:05 | 2:17:09 | |
And it doesn't matter what other vision you have, | 2:17:09 | 2:17:12 | |
an economic vision, moral vision, social vision, | 2:17:12 | 2:17:14 | |
none of that really matters | 2:17:14 | 2:17:15 | |
if people say, "Well, actually, I'm with you on that, | 2:17:15 | 2:17:18 | |
"but my priority is you making sure that Northern Ireland | 2:17:18 | 2:17:21 | |
"either stays in the UK or we pave a path to a united Ireland." | 2:17:21 | 2:17:24 | |
Because the voters care one way or the other. | 2:17:24 | 2:17:28 | |
But the union simply isn't a priority for Naomi Long. | 2:17:28 | 2:17:32 | |
You've said you're not a Unionist but do you care about the union? | 2:17:33 | 2:17:38 | |
Well, I care about Northern Ireland and its future | 2:17:38 | 2:17:40 | |
and I care about the people who live here. | 2:17:40 | 2:17:44 | |
-And the end of the day... -Do you care about the union? | 2:17:44 | 2:17:47 | |
Does it get me out of bed in the morning? | 2:17:47 | 2:17:49 | |
Would it drive me to stay in politics when I was deciding last... | 2:17:49 | 2:17:54 | |
December, what I was going to do with my future, | 2:17:54 | 2:17:56 | |
was the union at the forefront of my decision making? No, it wasn't. | 2:17:56 | 2:18:00 | |
It was society in Northern Ireland and what it could be like. | 2:18:00 | 2:18:03 | |
I'm not going to say that I am something that I'm not. | 2:18:03 | 2:18:07 | |
I'm going to be the person that I am and be honest about it. | 2:18:07 | 2:18:09 | |
So, yes, would it make life easier for me | 2:18:09 | 2:18:12 | |
if I pretended I was a Unionist? | 2:18:12 | 2:18:13 | |
Maybe it would. But it's not who I am. It wouldn't be honest. | 2:18:13 | 2:18:18 | |
Her position on the union is in stark contrast | 2:18:18 | 2:18:21 | |
to that of the First Minister, who, like Naomi Long, | 2:18:21 | 2:18:24 | |
is the first woman to lead her party. | 2:18:24 | 2:18:27 | |
She says she is surprised by Arlene Foster's leadership style. | 2:18:27 | 2:18:30 | |
Take the stuff around the All-Ireland Brexit Forum. | 2:18:32 | 2:18:35 | |
You know, you'd expect the First Minister, | 2:18:35 | 2:18:37 | |
if they weren't going to participate, | 2:18:37 | 2:18:39 | |
to simply decline politely, you know, | 2:18:39 | 2:18:42 | |
not to call it a sort of a forum for "Remoaners". | 2:18:42 | 2:18:48 | |
I find that approach probably in some ways less pragmatic | 2:18:48 | 2:18:53 | |
and at times slightly less finessed than her predecessor, | 2:18:53 | 2:18:58 | |
and I never thought I would be in a position where I thought that. | 2:18:58 | 2:19:02 | |
Observers say their contrasting approaches | 2:19:04 | 2:19:07 | |
will make the next five years at Stormont particularly interesting. | 2:19:07 | 2:19:11 | |
In some ways Naomi Long and Arlene Foster are very, very alike. | 2:19:13 | 2:19:16 | |
They're both strong women, they both have a bit of a temper. | 2:19:16 | 2:19:19 | |
And they're both head and shoulders above the men in their own parties. | 2:19:19 | 2:19:22 | |
Now, their politics are very different. | 2:19:22 | 2:19:25 | |
Naomi is liberal and progressive | 2:19:25 | 2:19:26 | |
and Arlene, even though she isn't a traditional woman, | 2:19:26 | 2:19:29 | |
has traditional politics. | 2:19:29 | 2:19:32 | |
Are they going to clash? I think so. | 2:19:32 | 2:19:34 | |
Will there be ding-dong battles in Stormont? Yes. | 2:19:34 | 2:19:37 | |
But the most formidable challenge for Naomi Long | 2:19:38 | 2:19:41 | |
will be outside Stormont - | 2:19:41 | 2:19:44 | |
to win more votes for a vision of politics | 2:19:44 | 2:19:46 | |
not dominated by flags and the Constitution. | 2:19:46 | 2:19:50 | |
And in Northern Ireland, that continues to be an uphill battle. | 2:19:50 | 2:19:54 |