22/01/2012 Sunday Politics East Midlands


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The Conservative council leader who is accusing the Government to tax


and local authorities to fund academies. Has he got out case?


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Hello, I am Marie Ashby. Coming up: The Conservative council leader who


is accusing the Government of taxing local authorities to fund


his Academy's programme. In some sense -- some sense as bid talk to


the Secretary of State. We speak to the MP of Loughborough and poll


homes. Nicky was a solicitor before entering Parliament,. First,


trouble A1 of her presence. -- prisons. It is not just Nottingham.


Nicky Morgan, we have 80,000 prisoners and more violent ones


than ever before. Officers say they do not have the time to form any


kind of relationship with them. What are you going to do? It is


something the Minister of Justice will have to consider. People want


is the hardened criminals in prison. People in prisons who work there


need to work with them. Officers and their early twenties are having


to retire on medical grounds because of the injuries they have


sustained. Something has to be done. There are nasty criminals and there.


It is a nasty environment. We lock up more people than anywhere else


in Western Europe. The Government's changes to disability benefit have


also been in the news. The coalition have survived a number of


amendments by the skin of its teeth. 0.5 million people will not receive


it. If people need it, they should be given it. I feel the way that


the current situation now is, disabled people need more help than


ever before. I think the Government Sion it reduce it because disabled


people need it. -- should not. There are too many people using and


abusing the system when they should not be. People who are getting


benefits, those who should know, it is those issued Hett. Those with


disability does not compare with the number of tax dodgers in


business and banks that they raise. Are the Government's reforms


justified or are they just plain unfair. Sympathy For disability


claimants, but also a feeling that the system is being abused. A


system is being abused by a small number of people. The general


thrust of what the Government is doing well be a big step forward.


But penalising people on disability living allowance will takes about 5


million people of, that is not based on a national -- rational


need. -- 0.5 million. You have a proper assessment system. There are


people who have been on disability living allowance for a long time.


They have been asked, could you work? There are people who want to


work. They have not got the support to be able to do that. That is what


we are changing. It is about helping people to be as independent


as they can be. It seems incredible that many claimants do not have


that face to face contact to talk about the situation they are in.


is not a proper assessment system. They have said they're going to cut


of 20% of the Bill. That is before you do an assessment. If you do


proper fist of his assessments, -- if you do a proper face to face


assessments, do them. There were 60 presenter people who appealed


against their decisions. They take a few boxes and do not do a full


medical assessment are told. have heard that half of those who


were denied the new benefit have had a reinstated on appeal. If that


does not show the need to tread carefully, what does?


Government recognises there is a need to tread carefully. We have a


difficult economic situation. We know the benefits bill has grown


and grown. When I go out, people say to me, how is it that I am


working very hard and saving, yet the people down the road appear to


be getting money in and have a better lifestyle than me? There is


an and furnace at the moment. If we as people on low salaries, we have


to make sure that people are getting the benefits are entitled


to. It was shown to be working in some areas of the country. There


has been some refinements which looked at the benefit of people


with health and mental conditions. There is also -- or was going to be


changes. There is a need to attack the system. What is your advice to


the Government? If you are doing a proper assessment, why announce in


advance that you are going to find 20% of people who will no longer


get the benefit. You should do proper assessments. We had a very


good version. MH is a Lords tomorrow. We will be watching. --


it will reach the Lords tomorrow. Academies Act - it they are already


controversial. Now the Conservative leader in Leicestershire is


accusing the Government of taxing local authorities to fund them. He


is demanding action. It is a central plank of the


Government's education policy - persuading schools under the


control of local authorities to convert to academy status. State


maintained but independently run, academies have more freedom to


manage their own affairs. If Education Secretary Michael Gove


has his way, they will become the norm. We have lots of excuses who


do not believe in giving children a better education. It is time to


call them what they are - ideals. Change is coming and to those who


want to get in the way, I have just two words - hands off. But the old


system of council control schools seems to be serving Leicestershire


very well. The county has a higher percentage of outstanding schools


than anywhere else in the country. Leicestershire's Conservative


leader has announced reservations about the past and he backs the


idea and was so well but see it is concerned about the financial


implications. Effectively there is �100 tax a local authority for


every pupil that goes into an academy. That equates to about �10


million a year on a budget. In times of economic strength, that is


a lot of money. A 11% of schools and Leicestershire are academies or


applying to be. Academies are less popular in Derbyshire where the


figure is 6%. In Nottinghamshire 13% of schools are poor want to be


academies. And Lincolnshire has the highest proportion - around 20%.


Academy status is clearly a highly sensitive issue. We found it very


hard to pin their local authorities on what their official view is.


Individual schools are especially reluctant to peak -- speak out. One


head teacher told us academy status would be a tragedy for the pupils


of Leicestershire. But later pulled out of an interview he had agreed


to give us. But the Executive principle here at Melton Vale Post-


16 Centre has said he would speak to us. We have registered an


interest with the Department for Education which is the first that.


The governors have a meeting next week where they will be considering


where they want to take things forward. What is your own view of


academy status? I think it is a great shame. We were stronger by


being together. What the world has changed, the local authorities made


that clear that they can no longer fulfil that role. And we need to


become an academy. Do you feel as if you have been left with no


option? Yes, absolutely. challenge now is to ensure that


schools that prefer the status quo are not financially penalised.


Leicestershire council is working with local MPs to press the


Government for a fairer funding. Ian Lever from the National Union


of Teachers has joined us. You were one of the MPs who met David


Parsons this week. Has he got a kiss? A Yes, he has a case. Any


local authority... And that is what the MPs are there for her. There is


a lot of detail cut up in it. There is the underfunding of


Leicestershire Schools which is contributing to this problem.


it should be run the council should subsidise academies. That is right.


That is why the figures have got to be looked at. If it is part of a


bigger debate. Here we are in a position a change, or only 40% of


Leicestershire Schools are academies. We are in that


transitional period. That is why the Secretary of State will want to


hear the argument. Should Michael Gove give Leicestershire and other


councils the money they are losing? He will do because that is the aim


of the programme, to get schools to compete with one another. To do


that is to get along some. Why it a Conservative council is surprised


by that I do not know. One schools opted out in the 1980s, that is


what they were based UN. That is what academies are based on now. -


back based on. What do you think? share the view that it is baffling


to me that this is some surprise. If you encourage schools to leave


the local authority, Take That lump of money with them, the local


authority has less money left. is simple mass! Every teacher will


tell you that the best teaching is done by teachers working together.


The best schools are those the work with other schools in the area and


have the support of a local authority that is properly funded


so it is able to supply all the support it needs. If you take-away


the money when budgets are being cut anyway, they will not deal to


afford it. They're all saying you are missing something on this one.


They should have seen this coming. They have hysteric underfunding. --


historical. That is one issue. We have to check the 50 pound figure


that David Parsons has used. We are waiting for details of that. I was


whether Ian up until he was worth it has to be under local authority


control. My schools are working collaborative, they are working on


curriculum. They have converted most of them and their working well.


It is a positive thing for pupils. It was mentioned twice in the film


as well and it is bandied around the whole time. Schools are not


under local authority control. Schools receive support from local


authorities. One of the big carrots for schools to be able to opt out


of local a 30 control, what they're doing it is moving away from the


support that the local authority offers them. We need to try and


move away from that terminology because it does not hold any water.


Does not hold any water. I am not sure about that. When the money has


come from the local authority, they have got control. The schools can,


we have to look at whether the local authority can provide support


which the schools can buy back from a local a 30. My schools are saying


they can get things cheaper from another provider. -- local


authority. It is not just the local a 30, one person sitting in an


office deciding how money will be allocated. -- and authority. There


are groups sitting together who decide how the money is allocated.


There is Nahla -- accountability there that is not there. You will


have a free-for-all where all schools do what they our doing --


do what they want to do and there is no control. If you are competing


together a working together they can raise standards. We have the


head teacher more in control in terms of teaching and discipline


and the curriculum. My schools are saying they can offer a broader


curriculum because they can work together. This is nonsense. When I


was first working in Derbyshire in the 1980s, the local education


authority left to make a manager schools. That ended in the 1988


Education Act. Michael gold manages was schools are doing not local


authorities. -- Michael Gove. In Sweden where they have gone down


this road, they found that they have had a drop in attainment. If


you have schools competing in a free-market which the ideological


approaches, then you have winners and losers instead of a


collaborative approach. Academies are shown that standards are going


up. No, academies have not shown this. There is no truth in that it


off. You cannot say local authorities control schools are


Michael Gove does. You cannot have it both ways. You cannot say there


system we had was perfect and now we are have not got one there is.


There is the danger year there once schools have elected to become


academies, there is no going back. So ever goes back, it goes wrong


beg. There is no going back and that is deliberate. They do not


want people to go back. One of the other points that was touched on,


schools could still buy these local a authority services. Local


authority Kate's back eight per 10% of the money to provide services


for Deaf children, that sort of thing. If you have a school in a


Naphill an area that has long it took -- special educational needs


and has no problem pupils, that money will not be there. It is a


very divisive process. One thing that does worry people is what does


happen in a situation when something goes wrong. Say an


academy has financial problems, you could end up with a horrible


scenario like the crisis of the Southern Cross old people's homes.


Then the Government came men. They would come in, would work with


management and centre in a school improvement team. That is what the


CFE would do. Which was the money which the council used to provide.


There is no great enthusiasm for this and Leicestershire. There is


no enthusiasm from parents. A lot of it is rushed through and it was


speeded up by Leicestershire County Council were saying you need to go


for it now because if there will be not any services provided for you


and 12 Munster. Our some principles they used on a report, they feel


they have no option but to become academies. They are being pressured


into it. There is strong encouragement. Leicestershire


County Council does encourage it. They have an option, they can just


say no. It is up to the governing bodies. They work with the head


teachers at the end of the day. It is the right way to go. I can say


locally it is an exciting time for my local schools, in terms of the


way they are running themselves. I am delighted. It is great to be


working with them. They are taking education forward. Deeply insulting


to hear Michael Gove saying that those of us who have been teachers


for many years not caring about the education of children. That is very


insulting. Thank you for joining her debate. Time For A round-up of


the political weaken the East Midlands in 60 seconds. --


political week in their East Midlands.


Fry's Crimestoppers now a group of Leicestershire residents wants the


Government to help -- set up health cover so people can voice their


concerns about feelings and the NHS. Shopping ways -- shopping around


for ways to have revitalise our eyes streets. Some people say we


should converter NT shops and housing. Patients should be allowed


access a new cancer drug. She says it is the biggest breakthrough for


treating advanced melanoma has in the last 30 years. Dennis Skinner


wanted to know when the Prime Minister will be giving evidence to


the Levenson acquire it. Doesn't he agree that the British people


deserve an answer as to why he appointed one of Murdoch's toddler


tenants, Andy Coulson, to the heart of the British Government. --


lieutenant. As I say to my children, do not go to the museum to see a


dinosaur. Come to the House of Commons.


Ouch! He's in trouble again about being ageist. I think he was a


clear that attitude. It was nice to see a politician to say what he


thinks. PMQs is not representative about the whole of the weekend


Westminster. A bit of fun? Dennis Skinner's views have not changed


since the miners' strike. He cannot take offence because it is what he


Andrew Neil and Marie Ashby with the latest political news with Shadow Business Secretary Chuka Umunna on Labour's plan for the economy and is it time to leave the European Court of Human Rights?

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