30/09/2012 Sunday Politics East Midlands


30/09/2012

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In the East Midlands, on why do people hate politicians? And

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searchers in debt, at the first students to face fees of �9,000 the

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2117 seconds

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Good morning. Do you hate to MPs? And coming up: A grapple people who

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may have reasons to dislike politicians.

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The first students paying up to �9,000 in fees. Joining me, Gloria

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de Piero, as a form of journalist she is no stranger to television

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but this is her debut on our show. And the Conservative MP Nigel Mills.

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He is back for his second appearance.

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Gloria, you have this unusual campaign at the moment asking

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everyone why they hate you. Politicians, and generally. So, yes.

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We have all seen all the evidence. It is not great, but I thought, I

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want to go further than that. I want to hear it from people's minds.

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I want to hear their anger, if you like. The I have done some groups

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were politicians do not always go. I started off in an aerobics class

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in Essex. I went to a golf club in Yorkshire and had two events this

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week in the East Midlands. I talked to some warehouse workers, and also

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some bingo players. And you have even set up a Twitter account. What

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sort of response have you had to that? It is not great. No-one likes

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you? They are very sceptical, maybe even the cynical. I am not sure

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they think we are in it for the right reasons, I am not sure they

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believe or trust us. They do not think we understand our lives. We

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have to wake up about this. What can we do about it, Nigel? That is

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the million dollar question. I think the whole expenses scandal is

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a large part of this. We need to put that behind us and show people

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it is not going on. As politicians we need to act in a more grown-up

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manner, say what we really believe and stick to what we say. Those are

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the things I think people really hate. Here is what people had to

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say when we asked them what they thought of their MPs. I feel that

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sometimes they're not in touch with the public. They tried to put their

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needs first rather than everyone else's. They need to be more

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straightforward and honest with people. They seem to be out for

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themselves and not the public. were nodding your head the hallway

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through that, you have your work cut out, don't you? Very familiar

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messages, that is what people have been saying. Be possible solution

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is when I have said to people, you can do it. They say, where would we

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start? I have met some really talented, bright passionate people.

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Why don't you become a counsellor? In fact, Sharon said to me, it is

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not advertised at the JobCentre. It is a challenge for political

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parties. Are we reaching out to people who could be fantastic in

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the community. I think they're better off being the butt of a few

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jokes in the bar, it is worse when they patronise the public and tried

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to be your friend. There is something to say about honesty like

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Boris Johnson. Maybe he is saying you're just trying too hard to be

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her friend. And not at sure. They have to see that we are real people.

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I do not come from a particular background, my parents thought I

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was mad coming into this particular game. There is a difference between

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people whose grandfathers and fathers have done it. We have more

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than our fair share of marginal seats in the region and in most

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places it's a fight between Labour and Conservatives. As Ed Miliband

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prepares to set out his conference stall, how does he plan to hold on

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to marginal seats? Our political editor asked how East Midlands

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plans to win back for Labour. People had a worries are the last

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election about economic issues. People wanted change, but see

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things going backwards not forwards. They see a double-dip recession and

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are thinking, at there must be a better way. We can get our young

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people working again by taxing bankers bonuses. That is a key

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issue isn't it. The bedrock of the economy are the small businesses,

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what is Labour's messages? There are shocking figures on long-term

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youth unemployment in the East Midlands. We will get them back to

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work. One of the things we will be talking about is how I can make the

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banking system work better for small businesses. Small businesses

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want to know their local bank is working for them. Police

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commissioners, two it of the Labour candidates in the East Midlands did

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down, it does it matter they had those misdemeanours when they were

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young and should the rules be revisited. As think people will

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think it is rough justice. If you commit a serious offence, and all

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criminal offences are serious, then people may say, you cannot be a

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police commissioner. Before these elections are the rules are the

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rules. After the elections we will look at them. Gloria de Piero is

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going around the country listening to why people have a slightly

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negative view towards elected politicians. Au backing her in this

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mission? Definitely. It is a really good she is doing it. We will be

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starting the conference talking to members of the public, not the

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party faithful. They know some of the reasons why. People think we

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break our promises and wonder would things be different under us. They

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would. You got the thumbs up from Ed Miliband. How would you hold on

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to your marginal seat? Just by working hard. When I get on that

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train on Monday to Parliament, and we know what happens down there, my

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heart slightly since. I come back on a Wednesday night or Thursday

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and they know I am going to be what real people. And I can do things.

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You can affect people's lives and that is the job for all stock it is

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an uphill struggle, the Lib Dems were a big threat to you last time

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and it nearly cost you your seat. Yes, I am just going to work hard.

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I hope that is all people expect of their politicians, that they do

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their best. Party political broadcast over. Nigel Mills, what

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about you? Q and a marginal seat, you cannot be complacent. It is a

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swing seat. In government there are a lot of hard decisions to make. If

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people find this very difficult. I agree with Gloria, it is all about

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hard work to improve the lives of our constituents. Is there a

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particular issue your constituents want you to tackle? The main issue

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is the economy, people's jobs, how much money people have to spend.

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Miliband said in that film, you see unemployment is a key issue. It is

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a big problem in your area, Gloria, isn't it? It is way above the

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national average. The actual rise in the last year in youth

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unemployment is 280 per cent. We did have schemes to tackle that

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when we stood for election. We guaranteed a everybody between

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those ages add job or a training scheme or education. But that has

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not worked, has it? We are talking about this rise. It has gone up. I

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do not think that the Government is taking this seriously enough. It

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does not make economic sense to be paying benefits to people who want

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to work. It is heartbreaking when you meet young people who do not

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even get replies when they are applying for jobs. It is nonsense

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to suggest people are just sitting there. It is destroying people's

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confidence. What about in your area, youth unemployment is above the

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national average but it is not great either. His is a terrible

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situation. The Government have invested huge amounts in

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apprentices. There are various programmes to help people into work,

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there's a job placement scheme. All of those things are there to give

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young people the experience they need. It is the key priority and

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the thing we all worry about. One of the big priorities is to sort

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this out. We need to sort it out by creating a skilled jobs for people.

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The previous government was short term. It takes time to rebalance

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the economy. How long can we wait for that to happen? If there was a

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magic wand, we would have weighed it. We are trying to make it easier

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to employ people in the first place, provide support for training.

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agree you need economic growth, the creation of jobs. Sadly, we have

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not got that. When we left office, there were tentative steps of

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growth. But since that Comprehensive Spending Review that

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happened when the new government came in, no growth, flat lining.

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Schemes are important and we say if you can use money from the bankers

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bonuses tax and use that to get some a young people into jobs, that

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is money well spent. Ed Miliband talked about police commissioner

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elections, there is huge concern about a low turnout. In the East

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Midlands are people aware of these elections? I have been out on the

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streets with Simon Spencer the Conservative candidate for

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Derbyshire. When you explain it to people, they are interested in it.

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Do people care? We need to get out there and show people about these

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elections. People care about policing and crime. These people

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will make a big difference to their communities. Do people in your area

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care, Gloria? They do not because there has been so little

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information about it. We go out every week could door knocking. We

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will be promoting our candidate, but it is crazy to have an election

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in November. It is freezing, it is dark by 5:00pm, that will depress

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turnout and that is something which politicians can have some say over.

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We will see how it all turns out. As hundreds of thousands of

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students go to university, this year's freshers face new fees of up

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to �9,000. Many have decided the cost is too much to bear. The

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University of Derby has seen a 25% drop in applications.

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They may have the world at their feet, but these freshers at the

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University of Derby also face a colossal debt on their back. Tom

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and Beth are paying tuition fees of up �7,500. With the economy the way

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it is, getting a job will be even harder. It is where the university

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is value for money. There are certain parts which can be

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overwhelming when you have to think how much debt you will get in.

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Obviously paying for your accommodation as well as university.

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It is a lot to take on. Tom and Beth are not letting debt spoil the

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fun of Freshers' week. This university is doing its best to

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contain fees, the average fee being �7,400. Applications were down

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nationally and we reflected that trend. The uncertainty about the

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new fees regime this year has probably put off some students at a

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time when there has never been a more important time to go to

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university. The burden of student debt is immense. The National Union

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of students estimates those paying �9,000 tuition fees will, once

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living costs are added, graduate owing on average �53,000. What does

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all this mean for students? Freshers' week is changing. Once it

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was a pretty simple affair, drink a lot, fend off the combined forces

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of Christians, Socialist Workers and Conservative students and just

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have fun. Now, they attend seminars on making yourself employable.

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come from quite a poor background. I do not want to be in the same

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position that my parents are in. I work hard, want to get myself into

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a good job and hopefully make money in the future with the skills I

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have learnt. Higher fees certainly seemed to have focused the mind of

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these students. Gloria, you have a degree in social sciences and Nigel,

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I believe you did classics. Would you have paid �9,000 a year for

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those courses? Think about it. think there might have struggled to

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convince myself. University is a great experience. Would it have

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affected your decision? I might have done something a little bit

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more job based. But actually think you do a subject you're interested

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in and you're good at. Getting a job at the end is important for

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people now, you need to see the links. What about you, Gloria?

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loved it and I enjoyed it, but what I was conscious of at university is

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you do want to get that bit of an edge over your peers. I threw

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myself into it lots of things like being a course ralph... So you

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would have found him the money then? You pay it back. Some kids

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are out there do think they have to find �9,000... But they have to pay

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it back at some point. You would pay less under Labour. I know it is

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still a lot, but you would be better off, you would definitely

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pay less under Labour. I just wonder if we need to be more

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imaginative about how we do university. It is awful to face

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that level of debt. Maybe the kind of way we do degrees for three

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years, could we condense them? should the students be done out of

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the chance you had of three or four years? Do you remember when you

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arrive at university in a tall, your first year does not account

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for anything. I think some of your viewers might be surprised by that.

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You both come from areas with lower numbers of people going on to its

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higher education. This is not going to help, is it? We need people with

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qualifications. That is why we did not want to cut university funding

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so less people would go. We wanted to find a way to get universities

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their extra money they needed. result we are seeing a drop in

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applications. Universities are a great experience if you were able

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to go, and if you want to go. You will not have to peg back until you

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earn more than 21,000 the year. It is not quite the terrible debt that

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people think they will have. When a tiny number of people went to

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university, it could be free. Widening access was so important.

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15,000 fewer university places because of the cuts to the

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university teaching ground. That really worries me. You could argue

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that university is not for everyone and not everyone should go to

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university. We need people with a broad range of skills.

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Apprenticeships and vocation training are very important for

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people who prefer that way and are better suited to that way. Is it

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fair to ask those who do not go to university to pay for those who do?

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The system is there, we have tried to make it as fair as possible.

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What about kick-starting the economy, we need people with

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degrees in engineering... Absolutely. That is why we're

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finding proper quality courses. talked about this Caporn fees that

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Labour would bring, a 6,000 pined cap. How would you make on -- make

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up the shortfall? There was a corporation tax cut for all

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businesses, we would reverse that for just the banking industry and

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use that. We would also make that 10% of best earning graduates pay

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more. So another tax on graduates? Everybody would pay less, but if

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you're in the top 10% of earners we think it would be fair for you to

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pay a bit more. Everyone apart from the top 10% earners would pay less.

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I think it is right that you pay back what you spend otherwise

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universities will be charging whatever they like. I suppose time

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will tell if people do actually pay it back in the end.

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Time to catch up on her other main stories of the week.

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There is growing pressure on a Derbyshire councillor who made a

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joke about the shooting of two per David Stevenson has apologised and

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was removed from his Cabinet post. Members of the Police Federation

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want him to step down as a councillor. With the benefit of

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hindsight, I would not do it for all stock Nottingham South's MP has

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welcomed the report into the cancellation of 3,000 hospital

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operations in her city. The Labour MPs said the closure of 96 beds

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added to the problem. There is a new leader at

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Leicestershire's County Hall. He has promised a more collegiate

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style. Liberal Democrats from Leicester

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have won a top award at their annual conference for promoting

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And there we were earlier in the programme talking about whether

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people love or hate politicians and then we get ill-advised comments

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like we heard David Stephenson making. What do you think about

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that? It does nothing for your reputation as politicians? I cannot

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imagine what he was thinking. I cannot think why he would say it.

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Should he resign? He has been stripped of his Cabinet post. He

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has apologised, it seems a lot of punishment. It is embarrassing for

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your party. Yes. There had been a few silly mistakes recently,

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haven't they? Gloria, you're off to Manchester, Party politics on the

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menu. I also hear you're partial to karaoke. Could this be true?

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