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Good morning. Do you hate to MPs? And coming up: A grapple people who
may have reasons to dislike politicians.
The first students paying up to �9,000 in fees. Joining me, Gloria
de Piero, as a form of journalist she is no stranger to television
but this is her debut on our show. And the Conservative MP Nigel Mills.
He is back for his second appearance.
Gloria, you have this unusual campaign at the moment asking
everyone why they hate you. Politicians, and generally. So, yes.
We have all seen all the evidence. It is not great, but I thought, I
want to go further than that. I want to hear it from people's minds.
I want to hear their anger, if you like. The I have done some groups
were politicians do not always go. I started off in an aerobics class
in Essex. I went to a golf club in Yorkshire and had two events this
week in the East Midlands. I talked to some warehouse workers, and also
some bingo players. And you have even set up a Twitter account. What
sort of response have you had to that? It is not great. No-one likes
you? They are very sceptical, maybe even the cynical. I am not sure
they think we are in it for the right reasons, I am not sure they
believe or trust us. They do not think we understand our lives. We
have to wake up about this. What can we do about it, Nigel? That is
the million dollar question. I think the whole expenses scandal is
a large part of this. We need to put that behind us and show people
it is not going on. As politicians we need to act in a more grown-up
manner, say what we really believe and stick to what we say. Those are
the things I think people really hate. Here is what people had to
say when we asked them what they thought of their MPs. I feel that
sometimes they're not in touch with the public. They tried to put their
needs first rather than everyone else's. They need to be more
straightforward and honest with people. They seem to be out for
themselves and not the public. were nodding your head the hallway
through that, you have your work cut out, don't you? Very familiar
messages, that is what people have been saying. Be possible solution
is when I have said to people, you can do it. They say, where would we
start? I have met some really talented, bright passionate people.
Why don't you become a counsellor? In fact, Sharon said to me, it is
not advertised at the JobCentre. It is a challenge for political
parties. Are we reaching out to people who could be fantastic in
the community. I think they're better off being the butt of a few
jokes in the bar, it is worse when they patronise the public and tried
to be your friend. There is something to say about honesty like
Boris Johnson. Maybe he is saying you're just trying too hard to be
her friend. And not at sure. They have to see that we are real people.
I do not come from a particular background, my parents thought I
was mad coming into this particular game. There is a difference between
people whose grandfathers and fathers have done it. We have more
than our fair share of marginal seats in the region and in most
places it's a fight between Labour and Conservatives. As Ed Miliband
prepares to set out his conference stall, how does he plan to hold on
to marginal seats? Our political editor asked how East Midlands
plans to win back for Labour. People had a worries are the last
election about economic issues. People wanted change, but see
things going backwards not forwards. They see a double-dip recession and
are thinking, at there must be a better way. We can get our young
people working again by taxing bankers bonuses. That is a key
issue isn't it. The bedrock of the economy are the small businesses,
what is Labour's messages? There are shocking figures on long-term
youth unemployment in the East Midlands. We will get them back to
work. One of the things we will be talking about is how I can make the
banking system work better for small businesses. Small businesses
want to know their local bank is working for them. Police
commissioners, two it of the Labour candidates in the East Midlands did
down, it does it matter they had those misdemeanours when they were
young and should the rules be revisited. As think people will
think it is rough justice. If you commit a serious offence, and all
criminal offences are serious, then people may say, you cannot be a
police commissioner. Before these elections are the rules are the
rules. After the elections we will look at them. Gloria de Piero is
going around the country listening to why people have a slightly
negative view towards elected politicians. Au backing her in this
mission? Definitely. It is a really good she is doing it. We will be
starting the conference talking to members of the public, not the
party faithful. They know some of the reasons why. People think we
break our promises and wonder would things be different under us. They
would. You got the thumbs up from Ed Miliband. How would you hold on
to your marginal seat? Just by working hard. When I get on that
train on Monday to Parliament, and we know what happens down there, my
heart slightly since. I come back on a Wednesday night or Thursday
and they know I am going to be what real people. And I can do things.
You can affect people's lives and that is the job for all stock it is
an uphill struggle, the Lib Dems were a big threat to you last time
and it nearly cost you your seat. Yes, I am just going to work hard.
I hope that is all people expect of their politicians, that they do
their best. Party political broadcast over. Nigel Mills, what
about you? Q and a marginal seat, you cannot be complacent. It is a
swing seat. In government there are a lot of hard decisions to make. If
people find this very difficult. I agree with Gloria, it is all about
hard work to improve the lives of our constituents. Is there a
particular issue your constituents want you to tackle? The main issue
is the economy, people's jobs, how much money people have to spend.
Miliband said in that film, you see unemployment is a key issue. It is
a big problem in your area, Gloria, isn't it? It is way above the
national average. The actual rise in the last year in youth
unemployment is 280 per cent. We did have schemes to tackle that
when we stood for election. We guaranteed a everybody between
those ages add job or a training scheme or education. But that has
not worked, has it? We are talking about this rise. It has gone up. I
do not think that the Government is taking this seriously enough. It
does not make economic sense to be paying benefits to people who want
to work. It is heartbreaking when you meet young people who do not
even get replies when they are applying for jobs. It is nonsense
to suggest people are just sitting there. It is destroying people's
confidence. What about in your area, youth unemployment is above the
national average but it is not great either. His is a terrible
situation. The Government have invested huge amounts in
apprentices. There are various programmes to help people into work,
there's a job placement scheme. All of those things are there to give
young people the experience they need. It is the key priority and
the thing we all worry about. One of the big priorities is to sort
this out. We need to sort it out by creating a skilled jobs for people.
The previous government was short term. It takes time to rebalance
the economy. How long can we wait for that to happen? If there was a
magic wand, we would have weighed it. We are trying to make it easier
to employ people in the first place, provide support for training.
agree you need economic growth, the creation of jobs. Sadly, we have
not got that. When we left office, there were tentative steps of
growth. But since that Comprehensive Spending Review that
happened when the new government came in, no growth, flat lining.
Schemes are important and we say if you can use money from the bankers
bonuses tax and use that to get some a young people into jobs, that
is money well spent. Ed Miliband talked about police commissioner
elections, there is huge concern about a low turnout. In the East
Midlands are people aware of these elections? I have been out on the
streets with Simon Spencer the Conservative candidate for
Derbyshire. When you explain it to people, they are interested in it.
Do people care? We need to get out there and show people about these
elections. People care about policing and crime. These people
will make a big difference to their communities. Do people in your area
care, Gloria? They do not because there has been so little
information about it. We go out every week could door knocking. We
will be promoting our candidate, but it is crazy to have an election
in November. It is freezing, it is dark by 5:00pm, that will depress
turnout and that is something which politicians can have some say over.
We will see how it all turns out. As hundreds of thousands of
students go to university, this year's freshers face new fees of up
to �9,000. Many have decided the cost is too much to bear. The
University of Derby has seen a 25% drop in applications.
They may have the world at their feet, but these freshers at the
University of Derby also face a colossal debt on their back. Tom
and Beth are paying tuition fees of up �7,500. With the economy the way
it is, getting a job will be even harder. It is where the university
is value for money. There are certain parts which can be
overwhelming when you have to think how much debt you will get in.
Obviously paying for your accommodation as well as university.
It is a lot to take on. Tom and Beth are not letting debt spoil the
fun of Freshers' week. This university is doing its best to
contain fees, the average fee being �7,400. Applications were down
nationally and we reflected that trend. The uncertainty about the
new fees regime this year has probably put off some students at a
time when there has never been a more important time to go to
university. The burden of student debt is immense. The National Union
of students estimates those paying �9,000 tuition fees will, once
living costs are added, graduate owing on average �53,000. What does
all this mean for students? Freshers' week is changing. Once it
was a pretty simple affair, drink a lot, fend off the combined forces
of Christians, Socialist Workers and Conservative students and just
have fun. Now, they attend seminars on making yourself employable.
come from quite a poor background. I do not want to be in the same
position that my parents are in. I work hard, want to get myself into
a good job and hopefully make money in the future with the skills I
have learnt. Higher fees certainly seemed to have focused the mind of
these students. Gloria, you have a degree in social sciences and Nigel,
I believe you did classics. Would you have paid �9,000 a year for
those courses? Think about it. think there might have struggled to
convince myself. University is a great experience. Would it have
affected your decision? I might have done something a little bit
more job based. But actually think you do a subject you're interested
in and you're good at. Getting a job at the end is important for
people now, you need to see the links. What about you, Gloria?
loved it and I enjoyed it, but what I was conscious of at university is
you do want to get that bit of an edge over your peers. I threw
myself into it lots of things like being a course ralph... So you
would have found him the money then? You pay it back. Some kids
are out there do think they have to find �9,000... But they have to pay
it back at some point. You would pay less under Labour. I know it is
still a lot, but you would be better off, you would definitely
pay less under Labour. I just wonder if we need to be more
imaginative about how we do university. It is awful to face
that level of debt. Maybe the kind of way we do degrees for three
years, could we condense them? should the students be done out of
the chance you had of three or four years? Do you remember when you
arrive at university in a tall, your first year does not account
for anything. I think some of your viewers might be surprised by that.
You both come from areas with lower numbers of people going on to its
higher education. This is not going to help, is it? We need people with
qualifications. That is why we did not want to cut university funding
so less people would go. We wanted to find a way to get universities
their extra money they needed. result we are seeing a drop in
applications. Universities are a great experience if you were able
to go, and if you want to go. You will not have to peg back until you
earn more than 21,000 the year. It is not quite the terrible debt that
people think they will have. When a tiny number of people went to
university, it could be free. Widening access was so important.
15,000 fewer university places because of the cuts to the
university teaching ground. That really worries me. You could argue
that university is not for everyone and not everyone should go to
university. We need people with a broad range of skills.
Apprenticeships and vocation training are very important for
people who prefer that way and are better suited to that way. Is it
fair to ask those who do not go to university to pay for those who do?
The system is there, we have tried to make it as fair as possible.
What about kick-starting the economy, we need people with
degrees in engineering... Absolutely. That is why we're
finding proper quality courses. talked about this Caporn fees that
Labour would bring, a 6,000 pined cap. How would you make on -- make
up the shortfall? There was a corporation tax cut for all
businesses, we would reverse that for just the banking industry and
use that. We would also make that 10% of best earning graduates pay
more. So another tax on graduates? Everybody would pay less, but if
you're in the top 10% of earners we think it would be fair for you to
pay a bit more. Everyone apart from the top 10% earners would pay less.
I think it is right that you pay back what you spend otherwise
universities will be charging whatever they like. I suppose time
will tell if people do actually pay it back in the end.
Time to catch up on her other main stories of the week.
There is growing pressure on a Derbyshire councillor who made a
joke about the shooting of two per David Stevenson has apologised and
was removed from his Cabinet post. Members of the Police Federation
want him to step down as a councillor. With the benefit of
hindsight, I would not do it for all stock Nottingham South's MP has
welcomed the report into the cancellation of 3,000 hospital
operations in her city. The Labour MPs said the closure of 96 beds
added to the problem. There is a new leader at
Leicestershire's County Hall. He has promised a more collegiate
style. Liberal Democrats from Leicester
have won a top award at their annual conference for promoting
And there we were earlier in the programme talking about whether
people love or hate politicians and then we get ill-advised comments
like we heard David Stephenson making. What do you think about
that? It does nothing for your reputation as politicians? I cannot
imagine what he was thinking. I cannot think why he would say it.
Should he resign? He has been stripped of his Cabinet post. He
has apologised, it seems a lot of punishment. It is embarrassing for
your party. Yes. There had been a few silly mistakes recently,
haven't they? Gloria, you're off to Manchester, Party politics on the
menu. I also hear you're partial to karaoke. Could this be true?