14/10/2012 Sunday Politics East Midlands


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In the East Midlands: Calls for the entire board of a hospital trust to

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resign over botched breast cancer tests and thousands could lose out

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In the East Midlands, should the entire board of a health trust

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resign over mistakes over breast cancer tests? Do you know what's

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happening on November 15th? No, I don't. Know. No, he doesn't know

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either. My guess at this week are Mark Spencer and Chris Williamson.

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It is a hot topic, particularly here, how far can you go in

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defending your home and your family from burglars? The government has

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said it would change the law to give homeowners more protection. It

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follows this Leicester couple who protected at their home, and were

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released without charge. I have to ask you, you are a farmer, would

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use a gun if you had to defend your property and your family? What I

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would do, I would defend myself quite vigorously. I don't want to

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go through the process whether I am legally entitled to do this, or

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what I am a legally able to do to defend my family, I want to make

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sure they are safe. Who knows what you are going to think when you are

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woken up in the morning. You're in your pyjamas, frankly, you just

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want to defend your children and your wife. You don't want to think

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through a legal process. vigorously, if you have a gun?

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vigorously as it takes to make sure my family are safe. To be blunt, I

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would rather find myself in the dock and by their graveside.

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far would you go? This is a smokescreen by the government, the

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true days there has only been 11 prosecutions in the last 15 years

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where people have overstepped the mark. The Chief Justice has said

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powers are available to homeowners. What the government were doing were

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indulging in a better hyperbole. -- a bit off. They were tried to take

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attention away from the fact that they have cut police officers.

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you doing this to be popular? we are not. What is important is

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the fact that people are concerned that in the Rhone house they are

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not able to defend their property and their family. It is important

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that the government sends a clear message. People are worrying about

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crime. A course they are? Where is the evidence that they are worried?

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-- of course they are. Borges up in that position, way you are going

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through the trauma of being arrested. -- put yourself in that

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position. Isn't there now a danger that burglars will now arm

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themselves? I think that is completely wrong. The you can't

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guarantee that. We are speculating. This is about someone having the

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right to defend themselves. They can already do that! They should

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not be fearful that they are going to be prosecuted. The government is

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right to be listening to victims? Of course they are! They are coming

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up with the wrong solutions. What they should be doing is reversing

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the decision to get rid of 15,000 frontline police officers, and do

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something about the causes of crime. Let's turn to the problems at

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King's Mill Hospital. The watchdog revealed that 120 women were given

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false results from breast cancer screenings between 2004-2010. The

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trust has apologised. They have lost �3.9 million because of heavy

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debts because of a Private Finance Initiative. A lot of your

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constituents use this hospital, you are calling for the whole board to

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resign. They have two jobs, they have to look after the finances,

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and clinical care, they have failed in both. They have to consider

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their positions. The us resignation, in this case -- does it

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resignations in this case make anything better? It will not help

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of 400,000 people who use the NHS Trust. When my constituents go to

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the hospital, they need to have full confidence that they are going

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to get the right level of service. We have a new chairman coming in,

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and what I'm saying is, let him have a clean break. We have a

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Health Minister for the East Midlands, does she think the board

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should resign? Speaking as the Minister for Health, it is not my

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role, it would be quite wrong for me to interfere. It is up to the

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board, they will make their Rona decision, the local MP has come to

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his point of view, it will be resolved at a local level, and

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rightly so. I was absolutely horrified when I heard what was

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going on. That is the thing that has concerned me the most. It has

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gone undetected for six years. I am pleased that there are reviews at

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all levels, we have to find out what went wrong, and why it went

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wrong. If people are responsible, they are held to account. It should

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not happen again anywhere else in the country. It is absolutely

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dreadful. To think that that number of women did not receive the right

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to treatment, they got the right diagnosis, lives had been lost. It

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is just a dreadful, we all trust when began a long and have our

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tests -- when the we go along, and have those tests, we trust the

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people we have them there. We need a full proofs safe system -- we

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need a full proof and safe system. Paul Baggaley, you are from Save

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Newark Hospital Trust, you are concerned that the trust will have

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to close, could that happen? Yes, it could. We have had comments from

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the interim share then, he said he could not promise that the hospital

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would not clothes. It is very worrying. -- would not close. What

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would you like to say to Mark Spencer, the local MP? We would

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like a review of the changes and the effects. We know that the years

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ago, the Professional Executive Committee warned that the loss of

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non-elected care could cost the trust �3 million a year are? -- �3

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million a year? The new chairman, I have yet to meet him, but I will be

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doing so, hopefully we can get the chairman to recognise how hospital

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Newark hospital is. -- how important. If they can offer these

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services, the GPs can be commissioned, we need to make sure

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that the new board and chairman recognise that Newark has a role to

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play. I would very much agree with that. You only have to look at what

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has happened over the years, 75% of category A patients go to Lincoln

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and Grantham. We are talking about all sorts of problems, PFI, where

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public money is used to pay for private projects, they RMS? -- they

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are a mess? They were originally are a conservative policy, and we

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ran with them. The real issue is that for Mark and his colleagues,

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they should be stopping the Health Secretary reorganise the NHS, which

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is going to cost �2 billion. Reductions are paying for this

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reorganisation. We are the only major party who said we would not

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cut the NHS. You are spending �2 billion of reorganisation, taking

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�20 billion out of the NHS. cannot deny that you are making

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cuts? We are increasing the budget. I have got to say that the

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downgrading of the hospital started under the Labour Party, and has

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been finished by the Conservatives. They are both to blame. It is

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actually about taking money off the balance sheets, and then boring

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public money which was not going against the deficit, the deficit is

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actually much worse than you understand because of this PFI.

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you think the board should resign? I am sure that not everybody is to

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blame on the board, but it is difficult to look at the situation

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that we have had in the trust, they have had for chief executives in

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four years -- they have had four chief executives in four years.

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They appear to be in a mess. trust has said that they are

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carrying out a number of reviews, one or the cat the board

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governments -- one more look at how effective the board is, well that

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reassure you? It reassured me that they are starting this process, but

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they could have acted quicker. The warning signs were there years ago.

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When the health care review was carried out, they were very

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opportunistic in cutting services. Paul Baggaley, thank you very much

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for joining us. There is a unique coalition, the

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rear by local councils are uniting to change the way that benefits are

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paid. -- to campaign against the way that benefits are being paid.

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They say it will leave poor people at �200 a year worse off.

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Meet Wendy Morrison. She's a single mum living in the Aspley area of

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Nottingham. She struggles to make ends meet. It's about to get

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tougher. My council tax is �45 a month, they are looking for 20% on

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top of that. I do feel about that? -- How do you feel about that?

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Disgusted. She wants her daughter to have the best in life. Wendy

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works part-time in a pub but the pay isn't quite enough to get by.

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She gets government help to pay her council tax bills of a year. 27,000

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other people on low incomes in this city also get cash help for their

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council tax. The government has shifted responsibility for paying

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out council tax to your local majority, they argue that the

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figures no longer add up, and thousands are some of the lowest

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paid people in the country will be out of pocket. It is cutting back

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Gas and Electric and food, there is nothing else I can do. Can you do

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that? I am going to have to, it is going to be tough. Three of the

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councils, Derby, Nottingham and Leicester have joined forces to

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warn the government that the council tax system could be

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unworkable. In Derby, just under 15,000 people get help with their

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bills, pensioners are protected. The government's 10% cut means a

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bigger cut for the lower-paid. A two parent family will have to find

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an additional �10 a week. genuinely think it is going to have

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a devastating impact on the poorest people in this city. We have

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already seen a sharp increase in poverty levels. This is only going

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to exacerbate it. You government wants the changes to give the

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Council's extra incentive to get people on benefit back into full-

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time work. For Wendy Morris and, finding the right sort of job is

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not easy in the recession. It is not fair. They need to reconsider

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read. They are supposed to be helping the order every working

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person. -- the order every working person.

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Judith Spence runs a food project in Loughborough. Do you think about

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this change in benefits will have a big impact? We are only talking

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about a few pounds a week, does it make much difference? It really

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does, �10 when you are earning �140 a month makes a massive difference.

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It is a vast difference. I have actually been to your place in

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Loughborough, I have helped out, what amazed me was the wide range

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of people. There are some people that you expect to need help, they

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are down on their luck, and have problems with alcohol or drugs, but

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there were more people than I knew were going to be there. The numbers

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have gone up exponentially. We are feeding around 130 single people

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and families each week. I have not tried to do the maths, it just

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frightens me. It started out with people on benefits he were not

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getting by, or were misappropriating their benefits, it

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has now changed to people who have fallen between the cracks. That can

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happen very easily. What would you say to our politicians? There is a

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great beer out there. It is a fear of the unknown, a fear that when

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Universal credit comes in, and the council tax cap, how are they going

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to cope? One man said to me, every time you give me a few extra tins,

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I put them are in the back of the cupboard, because I don't know what

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next year is going to bring. There is a fear that although the

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government says it has put that information, it is not getting out

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of the people who needed. Are you taking on board what she's saying?

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I am. It recognises what pressure council tax puts on people. Some of

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these authorities have been at the West for putting their council tax

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up. You have to ask yourself why some local authority is like

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Nottinghamshire could not put council tax up for four consecutive

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years, and other authorities are. What you say to Wendy, who is

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already struggling, and she is working, she is striving? She and

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is in the unfortunate position of being under Nottinghamshire County

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Council, she is putting it up every -- they are putting it up every

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year. There is no efficiency. is factually incorrect. Let me get

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this straight. Derby had one of the lowest council tax rates in the

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region. The real region is not the level of council tax, but the fact

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that the government is pursuing a shame for proposition where they

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are proposing a tax rise on the lowest paid workers in our country.

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At the same time, they again to be giving tax cuts are by over �40,000

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a year to the register. -- to the richest people. You why a Derby MP,

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and just over 15,000 people will be affected. They will want to know

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what you're doing about this? important thing is to remember that

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these cuts are being imposed by Mark's government. Local

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authorities do not want to make cuts to low-paid workers, what they

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are trying to do is to minimise the impact on families in Nottingham,

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Leicester and Derby by coming up with this theme that is protecting

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them. In the end, it is going to be impossible to protect them, because

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the government, Mark's government, is reducing the amount of money. It

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is no good shaking your head, they are reducing the money by 10%.

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Pensioners have to be protected, so low-paid workers will be affected

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even worse. Do you think politicians get what you're up

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against? No, it needs to be on the ground. People need protection from

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their council. People on the ground, they rarely hearing about cuts,

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instead of hearing about protection. They raised protection for

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pensioners, and war widows. more protection that is available,

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the more people that are protected, it will mean a reduction on other

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people. That is the problem of the scheme. Some authorities are

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putting council tax is up, and others aren't. Under Labour,

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council tax doubled. We will have to leave it there.

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The other stories making the news in our 62nd round up. 62nd

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Nottingham's parking levy is costing businesses �8,000.

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It was a survey by the Chamber of Commerce, finding one in ten

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businesses considering leaving the city. Rutland County Council wants

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views on the way it is allocating social housing. They are

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prioritising, and ensuring it is as fair as possible. A final chapter

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foray regular, David Parsons is stepping down, apologising to the

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council's standards committee. John Mann claims he has unearthed

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stealth taxes, the Chancellor has been a targeting its new buildings.

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He says developers building a new Do you know what is happening on

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November 15th? Not many people do. No. Now. -- know. I do not know

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what it is for. The by told it was the Police and Crime Commissioner,

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would that ring any bells? No, it wouldn't. A if I told you it was

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the Police and Crime Commissioner. I think it is to control policing.

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