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In the East Midlands: More bobbies on the beat is that | :01:38. | :01:41. | |
what you want? And with no Lib Dem candidates, who | :01:41. | :01:44. | |
will pick up the floating votes in the Police and Crime Commissioner | :01:44. | :01:54. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2284 seconds | :01:54. | :39:58. | |
In the East Midlands: More bobbies on the beat is that | :39:58. | :40:05. | |
what you want? Register and then there are enough on the streets and | :40:05. | :40:09. | |
I would like to see more on the roads. They spend a lot of time in | :40:09. | :40:12. | |
their cars. I don't think the police are accessible to people in | :40:12. | :40:16. | |
their own homes. And with no Lib Dem candidates for | :40:16. | :40:18. | |
Police and Crime Commissioners, who'll pick up their votes? | :40:18. | :40:21. | |
I'm Marie Ashby. This week I'll be attempting to keep the peace with | :40:21. | :40:25. | |
two MPs who are no strangers to law and order. Ken Clarke QC, the | :40:25. | :40:27. | |
Conservative MP for Rushcliffe and until recently Justice Secretary. | :40:27. | :40:30. | |
And in our London studio Keith Vaz, Labour MP for Leicester East, and | :40:30. | :40:32. | |
chairman of the Home Affairs Select Committee. | :40:32. | :40:37. | |
Welcome. First, let me come to you Ken Clarke. You're mentioned in a | :40:37. | :40:40. | |
story today about Jimmy Saville. The Sunday Telegraph says you were | :40:40. | :40:44. | |
in charge of health when he was appointed to a task force at | :40:44. | :40:47. | |
Broadmoor. Were you aware of any of the allegations against him at the | :40:47. | :40:53. | |
time? I don't think anybody wants until | :40:53. | :41:00. | |
all of these stories about gossip in the BBC. I do recall being | :41:00. | :41:03. | |
involved in the appointment. He had been working abroad will for some | :41:03. | :41:08. | |
years apparent. It was at that time regarded as the public celebrity, a | :41:08. | :41:13. | |
national hero, a man did untold charitable work. Until two months | :41:13. | :41:19. | |
ago no politician or journalist would have dared to tackle Jimmy | :41:19. | :41:23. | |
Savile. I may have been told about it but I really cannot remember. | :41:23. | :41:27. | |
You had nothing to do with the appointment? I honestly cannot | :41:27. | :41:34. | |
remember. It was not significant enough to stick in my mind. The | :41:34. | :41:38. | |
papers today are talking about Edwina Currie and I don't know what | :41:38. | :41:41. | |
she can remember. At the time it would not have created any interest. | :41:41. | :41:45. | |
He had been done to Broadmoor for years and a stock that did not mind | :41:45. | :41:51. | |
in having access and keys. 99% of the public thought he was a public | :41:51. | :41:56. | |
figure doing charitable work. We will get back to the police and | :41:56. | :42:01. | |
crime Commission elections. The Government says the role is all | :42:01. | :42:05. | |
about accountability and making the police more efficient, isn't that a | :42:05. | :42:11. | |
good way of doing it? Well, as you know, the Labour Party was against | :42:11. | :42:16. | |
the election of police and crime commissioners. We are where we are | :42:16. | :42:20. | |
an election will take place. What we need to do now is make sure we | :42:20. | :42:25. | |
get a good set of people elected to these very important posts. They | :42:25. | :42:29. | |
are going to be appointed chief constable, they are going to be | :42:29. | :42:33. | |
dealing with the kind of complaints you have had on a programme as part | :42:33. | :42:37. | |
of the package we have listened to. It is really important that we get | :42:37. | :42:43. | |
there to turn up -- turnout up because I think the turnout will be | :42:43. | :42:48. | |
alone. We will talk about an hour later. We must make sure everyone | :42:48. | :42:50. | |
participates and they get the budget they need and they do their | :42:50. | :42:55. | |
jobs well. That is what we need to do now because if we sit on the | :42:55. | :43:00. | |
sidelines and carp, it will not help the process of getting... | :43:00. | :43:05. | |
must get involved, that is what you are saying? Absolutely. Theresa May | :43:05. | :43:09. | |
says this is an exciting time for Policing but she Constable's was so | :43:09. | :43:16. | |
it is very difficult. How can we afford the expensive elections? | :43:16. | :43:19. | |
is never a good time for the country but it is accelerating | :43:19. | :43:23. | |
worth one reforms about public services. We are talking about more | :43:23. | :43:26. | |
than �7 million just to hold the elections in in the East Midlands. | :43:26. | :43:30. | |
You cannot just abandon public involvement in the police service | :43:30. | :43:34. | |
for what is actually rather a small portion of the total budget for | :43:34. | :43:38. | |
these things. We are reforming the police and others. It is no good | :43:38. | :43:43. | |
just carrying on pouring money into work. We have staggering numbers of | :43:43. | :43:47. | |
police man. Ever since we had the police in this country, ever since | :43:47. | :43:52. | |
Sir Robert Peel, we happily donate it to the police force, community | :43:52. | :43:56. | |
police, neighbourhood involvement. This is the most practical way of | :43:56. | :43:59. | |
strengthening at and it enables people with an adequate interest of | :43:59. | :44:03. | |
public affairs to start to give their views. So, these elections | :44:03. | :44:07. | |
are happening and everybody needs to get involved. | :44:07. | :44:10. | |
The Police and Crime Commissioner elections are taking place across | :44:10. | :44:13. | |
the whole country. But what are the issues that matter here in the East | :44:13. | :44:16. | |
Midlands? And what are the political questions still to be | :44:16. | :44:18. | |
answered in our region? Our Political Editor, John Hess, has | :44:18. | :44:22. | |
been been brushing up his detective skills to find out. | :44:22. | :44:27. | |
This is the forensic labs at the University of Derby. This is where | :44:27. | :44:33. | |
students learn all the CSI know how. We may need some forensic skills | :44:33. | :44:41. | |
when it gets to next month's elections. To start with there is | :44:41. | :44:45. | |
something with it. There is no mystery that there are no Liberal | :44:45. | :44:49. | |
Democrat candidates standing in the East Midlands except for | :44:49. | :44:52. | |
Northamptonshire. What will happen to all the Liberal Democrat voters? | :44:52. | :44:58. | |
Let us take a closer look. In the last general election the Liberal | :44:58. | :45:02. | |
Democrat share of the vote in the East Midlands was over 21%. In | :45:02. | :45:06. | |
these elections the two main parties will be desperate to get | :45:06. | :45:11. | |
that Liberal-Democrat coating boat -- floating vote. David Cameron has | :45:11. | :45:17. | |
got his fingerprints and his footprint all over these elections. | :45:17. | :45:20. | |
It is his big idea. He says it will make the police far more | :45:20. | :45:24. | |
accountable and transparent. The big issue in this campaign is | :45:24. | :45:31. | |
whether politics and Policing actually make for a good fit. A | :45:31. | :45:34. | |
number of independents are standing. Could it be their breakthrough | :45:34. | :45:39. | |
moment? These elections could end up at a missing person inquiry. | :45:39. | :45:46. | |
There is real concern about the impact of the stay away both to her. | :45:46. | :45:56. | |
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-- voter. In Nottingham the mayoral referendum turnout was 23%. The AV | :45:56. | :46:00. | |
referenda had turnout no more than 42% and both Poles were held on a | :46:01. | :46:07. | |
warm and sunny day in her early May, not in the cold and dark of mid- | :46:07. | :46:12. | |
November. Paul Holmes, you were a Liberal- | :46:12. | :46:16. | |
Democrat MP for Chesterfield, who will the Liberal Democrat voters be | :46:17. | :46:21. | |
opting for, what would be your advice? There is an assumption they | :46:21. | :46:25. | |
will opt for anybody. The Liberal Democrats have opposed these | :46:25. | :46:29. | |
elected commissioners and we think it is a bad system. I use saying | :46:30. | :46:34. | |
that they should not vote at all? It I don't vote in this election it | :46:34. | :46:37. | |
will be the first time since I was 18 and I really don't know what I | :46:37. | :46:43. | |
will do it. I may will spoil my ballot paper and send it back. It | :46:43. | :46:47. | |
is pathetic that we need these demagogues running police forces | :46:47. | :46:51. | |
and politicising the system. I argued against it when it has in | :46:51. | :46:57. | |
parliament and I am against it now. I would be against 41 people with | :46:57. | :47:03. | |
no interest in public services. I owe think people should take the | :47:03. | :47:06. | |
trouble to find out what the candidates are saying and take the | :47:06. | :47:09. | |
opportunity to have a lame and who they can hold to account for the | :47:09. | :47:13. | |
things about Policing which are not just the rest of particular | :47:13. | :47:18. | |
criminals and prosecution. You cannot just reject the whole thing | :47:18. | :47:21. | |
because the old police have parities were unknown to the | :47:21. | :47:24. | |
general public. None of my constituents know of who is on the | :47:24. | :47:28. | |
police authority and most people don't even know what the police | :47:28. | :47:33. | |
authority is. This is an attempt to get reform subject to democratic | :47:34. | :47:37. | |
with Bonn's ability. Key, are you prepared to pick up | :47:37. | :47:42. | |
the floating voters? Absolutely. I am astonished that Paul says he | :47:42. | :47:46. | |
will spoil his ballot paper. There is an election for a very important | :47:46. | :47:50. | |
post and I think people ought to vote and participate. Can I pick up | :47:50. | :47:55. | |
one. That Ken mentioned about the cost. This will cost �70 million | :47:55. | :47:58. | |
owed rule and that would have meant, if it had not been spent on these | :47:58. | :48:04. | |
elections, 3,000 extra police officers. I am not against what the | :48:04. | :48:06. | |
Government is suggesting and my select committee have produced a | :48:06. | :48:10. | |
number of reports on this. We need to look at a new landscape of | :48:10. | :48:15. | |
Policing but what we actually need is to look at what we won police | :48:15. | :48:19. | |
officers to do. We need a Royal Commission to look at the purpose | :48:19. | :48:22. | |
of policing and this really ought to have happened before we had | :48:22. | :48:27. | |
these elections because people need to deal what 21st century policing | :48:27. | :48:32. | |
is all about. The way in which Policing has changed in the last | :48:32. | :48:35. | |
few years has been pretty dramatic about thing that is what we need to | :48:35. | :48:41. | |
do. It is going to cost an awful lot of money, more than �7 million | :48:41. | :48:44. | |
just here in the East Midlands, when you could be using that money | :48:44. | :48:48. | |
to have more officers on the streets. If you abandoned a general | :48:48. | :48:52. | |
election the government would have more money to spend on sales are | :48:52. | :48:57. | |
rising bus fares or something. If you are banned and local government | :48:57. | :49:00. | |
elections the chief executive would have more money to spend a housing | :49:00. | :49:05. | |
benefit. Less, if we are going to have cut let you buy up democratic | :49:05. | :49:10. | |
accountability! The timing might not be right. Then I mean will -- | :49:10. | :49:17. | |
the timing will never be right. We have got to have modern policing. | :49:17. | :49:22. | |
They are the last great unreformed public service, -- the last great | :49:22. | :49:27. | |
unreformed public service. People have strong views. The police are | :49:27. | :49:31. | |
ordinary systems -- citizens, involved in a local communities and | :49:31. | :49:35. | |
it is time we got on with the elections. What has not happened is | :49:35. | :49:40. | |
we have not had proper consultation with the Police Federation and some | :49:40. | :49:46. | |
of those senior police officers. We have got the best police service in | :49:46. | :49:49. | |
the world as Theresa May keeps reminding us. We should be | :49:49. | :49:56. | |
consulting with them before we go on and try and have a completely | :49:56. | :50:00. | |
new plan. There has been a lot of consultation with the Police | :50:00. | :50:05. | |
Federation. When the police and crime Bill was going through | :50:05. | :50:07. | |
Parliament in 2009 which had extensive evidence from G | :50:07. | :50:12. | |
Constable's, the Police Federation and all sorts of things there has | :50:12. | :50:16. | |
been all sorts of consultation. This is going to be a total flop, | :50:16. | :50:20. | |
the public are not interested, the Government were not prepared to pay | :50:20. | :50:24. | |
for the democratic election properly so why hold it? Keat is | :50:24. | :50:28. | |
right in saying people -- Keat is not right in telling everyone | :50:28. | :50:34. | |
should vote but if it is a flawed election people should protest. | :50:34. | :50:37. | |
Boris Johnson interfered in what was happening in London in the | :50:37. | :50:43. | |
police and announced there was nothing in it. Do we want 41 Police | :50:43. | :50:49. | |
officers interfering with justice? All the evidence is that the public | :50:49. | :50:54. | |
want independent candidates so that party politics does not regain. | :50:54. | :50:56. | |
Labour candidates are standing on the understanding that they will | :50:56. | :51:01. | |
fight the cuts. That is a very important issue. Of course we are | :51:01. | :51:05. | |
going to have up to 20% cuts in front line services. What the | :51:05. | :51:08. | |
police and crime Commission is going to have to do under the law | :51:08. | :51:13. | |
is they are going to have to set their budgets. They will have to | :51:13. | :51:18. | |
appoint the chief constable. Of course the police and crime | :51:18. | :51:22. | |
commissioner is going to have to take a view on whether or not | :51:22. | :51:27. | |
central government gives him or her enough resources in order to fight | :51:27. | :51:30. | |
crime. Looking at the Budget that most of the local police forces are | :51:30. | :51:34. | |
going to have, we are going to have to have a continuation of those | :51:34. | :51:38. | |
cuts because we do not have enough money to for the will frontline | :51:38. | :51:43. | |
services. This is very important. How can you ensure that party | :51:43. | :51:46. | |
politics does not creeping to this post? According to the Home Office | :51:46. | :51:51. | |
it is not a political party post or representing any one section of the | :51:51. | :51:56. | |
electorate. Whoever gets the job have to swear an oath of | :51:56. | :51:59. | |
impartiality. How can you ensure party politics will not creeping? | :51:59. | :52:03. | |
They will certainly not be allowed to be partisan in exercising their | :52:03. | :52:08. | |
powers. The electorate will pick up and knock about party politics. | :52:08. | :52:11. | |
Because it is a different election people who think seriously about it | :52:11. | :52:16. | |
will not necessarily vote their first party political loyalty. The | :52:16. | :52:21. | |
more corny Labour candidates will just say let's Spencer more money | :52:21. | :52:26. | |
on it, surely we can borrow it from somewhere. That will not maximise | :52:26. | :52:32. | |
the Labour vote amongst intelligent voters. | :52:32. | :52:37. | |
So who will you be voting for? As November 15th approaches, we'll be | :52:37. | :52:40. | |
bringing you an identity parade of the candidates across the East | :52:40. | :52:50. | |
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Midlands. Starting with the line up There are four candidates in | :52:50. | :52:51. | |
There are four candidates in Nottinghamshire. Paddy Tipping is | :52:51. | :52:56. | |
standing for Labour. He is a former MP for Sherwood and has been a | :52:56. | :52:59. | |
Nottingham county councillor. He is promising to oppose the government | :52:59. | :53:04. | |
cuts to the police force. 150 more officers on the beat and 100 more | :53:04. | :53:14. | |
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police community support officers. . I lived in Nottinghamshire for 40 | :53:17. | :53:20. | |
years. My family lives the and I have done a lot of things in | :53:20. | :53:23. | |
neighbourhood politics with the council and with Parliament and I | :53:23. | :53:27. | |
am still doing a lot of things now and I'm the only candidate who is | :53:27. | :53:37. | |
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My nine years of leadership in the Sherwood District Council, I gave | :53:58. | :54:01. | |
that up last month, they have proved him as invaluable in the | :54:01. | :54:07. | |
running of a major organisation. In particular a major organisation | :54:07. | :54:17. | |
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I have the advantage to say to the people that your policies will be | :54:42. | :54:49. | |
dealt with locally because the policeman is not allowed to be a | :54:49. | :54:54. | |
member of any political party. Why should the commission or the M&M of | :54:54. | :54:57. | |
a political party? I believe that if you become a member of the | :54:57. | :55:02. | |
political party, if you win, particular person will be erected | :55:02. | :55:12. | |
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I believe that my depth of knowledge of the police service | :55:36. | :55:41. | |
over many years will give me a good bearing as to what can be done to | :55:41. | :55:46. | |
improve efficiency and effectiveness. They are the | :55:46. | :55:48. | |
candidates in Nottinghamshire but what could they do have they got | :55:48. | :55:52. | |
into power? According to the Office of National Statistics, | :55:52. | :55:57. | |
Nottinghamshire is the most crime- ridden country at -- County in East | :55:57. | :56:01. | |
Midlands. How can much-changed? level of crime has been falling | :56:01. | :56:05. | |
steadily in Nottinghamshire in recent years. People have various | :56:05. | :56:12. | |
states of being about crime in their locality. In Cotgrave people | :56:12. | :56:15. | |
feel quite strongly about anti- social behaviour and juvenile | :56:15. | :56:18. | |
delinquency. It really have a problem that. How will the | :56:18. | :56:22. | |
Commission have any impact on that? The chief constable will be | :56:22. | :56:25. | |
accountable to him for the way in which the chief constable decides | :56:25. | :56:29. | |
he can tackle that. In the end he will have to decide the priority of | :56:29. | :56:33. | |
what he can do about it but in the case of Cotgrave there was a very | :56:33. | :56:37. | |
effective police initiative probably in response to political | :56:37. | :56:40. | |
requests from me and the councillors and other people there. | :56:40. | :56:44. | |
Across the whole county I think it is a good idea for people to be | :56:44. | :56:48. | |
accountable and for sensible people to express their sense of | :56:48. | :56:51. | |
priorities and what they think needs to be done in a community. | :56:52. | :56:55. | |
there a danger that by listening to what the public sector priorities | :56:55. | :56:59. | |
are, the commissioner would make a knee-jerk reactions to headline- | :56:59. | :57:04. | |
grabbing crimes? I think that is why it is very important that we | :57:04. | :57:08. | |
have a clear understanding between the chief constable and | :57:08. | :57:14. | |
commissioner as to their duties and responsibilities. The select | :57:14. | :57:17. | |
committee suggested a sign in effect a Magna Carta on the day | :57:17. | :57:21. | |
after the commissioner is elected so that everyone is very clear on | :57:21. | :57:27. | |
where their responsibilities and duties blarney. Where the | :57:27. | :57:32. | |
responsibilities of the chief constable will be it. It is very | :57:32. | :57:36. | |
important that we leave operational matters entirely to the police and | :57:36. | :57:39. | |
the chief constable. What I hope the crime commissioner can do is to | :57:39. | :57:43. | |
be the sounding-board for the public. Let us ask the public, we | :57:43. | :57:48. | |
have some of them here. We asked the the bling Cotgrave in Ken | :57:48. | :57:51. | |
Clarke's constituency, where they thought police resources should be | :57:51. | :57:55. | |
because. I would like to see more on the streets. That is generally. | :57:55. | :57:58. | |
I don't think there was enough on the streets. I would like to see | :57:58. | :58:03. | |
more on the roads. They should tackle the bad drivers. I see are | :58:03. | :58:09. | |
not a police but they spend a lot of time in their cars. I think they | :58:09. | :58:13. | |
would find more criminals if they walked around. I would like to see | :58:13. | :58:19. | |
more people on the street. I know we have cameras here but I think, I | :58:19. | :58:23. | |
don't think the police are accessible to people in their own | :58:23. | :58:28. | |
homes, if you like. Real concerns there from real people in Cotgrave. | :58:28. | :58:31. | |
They are voters in their patch and they say they want to see more | :58:31. | :58:36. | |
bobbies on the beach but there is not money for a. Every opinion poll | :58:37. | :58:42. | |
that I have seen in the last 40 years has that same request of | :58:42. | :58:47. | |
wanting to see more bobbies on the beat. That is an operational matter | :58:47. | :58:49. | |
what proportion of their police force they can have strolling about | :58:49. | :58:53. | |
at any particular time. If people say that to the commissioner, isn't | :58:53. | :58:58. | |
that what we should see on the streets? A visible presence for | :58:58. | :59:02. | |
police is extremely important. Of course they should be people to be | :59:02. | :59:05. | |
seen patrolling every now and again but I am sure the chief constable | :59:05. | :59:09. | |
will explain you cannot have all of your pleas walking round the | :59:09. | :59:14. | |
streets and a serious criminals in cars. People want a rapid response | :59:14. | :59:18. | |
was a myth serious happens. Ken was a very distinguished Home Secretary | :59:18. | :59:21. | |
so he knows all about the issue of disability. People want visibility | :59:21. | :59:24. | |
and these will be the issues that the crime commissioners are going | :59:24. | :59:31. | |
to have to deal with. When this election takes place it will be | :59:31. | :59:35. | |
fascinating to see how things develop over the last four years. | :59:35. | :59:39. | |
It is not an excuse for people are not voting. People should go out | :59:40. | :59:43. | |
and but because it is the opportunity do influence what is | :59:43. | :59:47. |