04/11/2012 Sunday Politics East Midlands


04/11/2012

Andrew Neil and Marie Ashby with the latest political news, interviews and debate. Including UKIP leader Nigel Farage, and David Willetts on Lord Heseltine's growth plan.


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In the East Midlands: Is it time for people with

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disabilities to make their voices heard? We'll be hearing from the

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Nottingham man who's become Britain's first ever councillor

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with Down's Syndrome. And the Chancellor on the East Midlands

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2060 seconds

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In the East Midlands, is it time for people with disabilities to

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make their voices heard? We all hear from the Nottingham man who

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has become Britain's first ever councillor with Down's syndrome.

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And the Chancellor on the East Midlands economy at. More money for

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investment in the region and for apprenticeships that you see being

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taught behind me. More from George Osborne in a moment and this week

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my guests are David Tredinnick, Conservative MP for Bosworth and

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Chris Leslie, Labour's MP for Nottingham East. Guy Fawkes would

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have loved it - plenty of fireworks in Westminster. The return of

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Michael Heseltine warning David Cameron that he must do more to

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encourage growth and a rebellion about Europe. Heather Wheeler,

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Nigel Mills, Andrew Bridgen rebelled on Europe, what do you

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think about that? The budget being frozen is a very sensible policy.

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What do you think about the people who did not go along with you?

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Parliamentarians can vote according to their wishes and according to

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their innermost beliefs. In my case, I thought the right thing to do was

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to support the Government who have a sensible position. Chris, you

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have a lot to say on the EU budget debate. Were you arguing for a cut?

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Absolutely. If you have got people being asked to give back child

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benefit, cuts in public transport and policing, public transport, why

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should the EU budget be exempt from that? We were arguing that freezing

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the budget - and when they say freezing that includes inflation -

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it is not ambitious enough. They should be aiming for a reduction in

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real terms and that is the point we were making. Parliament decided to

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tell the Prime Minister that was his task and that is what he must

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now deliver. The other argument is the opposite, which is it is

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ridiculous going into an untenable position. It is the toughest

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position we have had a hand and he has said he will veto if he does

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not get what we want. The Deputy Prime Minister says that he does

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not want to go down that particular route and the Prime Minister has

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got one view and we hear today Ken Clarke talking about it being a

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ludicrous position and the difficulty for the Government is

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that they are divided into so many different fragments. Can I just ask

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you, Chris, handed it feel voting alongside right-wing Tories -- how

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did it feel? It is in the interests of the taxpayer and getting the

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best deal. At home, so many people are suffering because of the

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Conservative austerity. Who better to ask about the East Midlands

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economy than the Chancellor of the Exchequer, he was in Derby talking

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about apprenticeships at Rolls- Royce but with our region coming

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bottom of the league when it comes to government cash for regeneration,

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we wanted to know if you could see more help in the future. Our

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correspondent asked him about his plans to boost the economy.

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East Midlands has got so much good about it, some great firms and

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people and the East Midlands, if it puts forward some new bid, can get

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government investment in the regional growth projects we want to

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see. And yet in the recent round of growth funding, we came bottom of

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the pile, below the south-east of England. Can that be right? We have

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got a pot of money and the independent panel, not the

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politicians. That panel look at who bids for that money. So why am

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willing to work with the East Midlands to improve the quality of

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the bid to make sure they get the money and the funding they deserve.

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The money is there of the economy is like here. We put money into

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this facility, the apprenticeship academy which we are standing in

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today and that happened under this government so we are committed to

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the future of the East Midlands. You are saying it is down to the

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business communities to come up with better bids? We must get more

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investment into the East Midlands and it cannot be the role of

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government by itself, it cannot be the business community by itself

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because then it does not get the support that the Government can

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provide, it is only when the two worked together. Together we can

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have success stories like the one behind me. There will be more money

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for investment in the regions and the East Midlands, more money for

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the can of apprenticeships that we see been caught behind me.

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Miss Lesley, you are looking shocked there. -- Chris Leslie.

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have seen investment in regional growth cut by half under this

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government so I can't see where this money is coming from. The East

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Midlands has done particularly badly under this government because

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they centralised the decision- making under this thing called the

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regional growth fund thing. Are you suggesting that we have not had the

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correct bid? Plenty of people criticise the previous systems but

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at least there where decisions about support in the economy in the

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actual areas and because these are things made in Whitehall, it is no

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wonder that London and the essential areas do better than

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elsewhere. That is the problem, they need to devolve some of these

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situations. But he was saying he wanted to help businesses make

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those bids. Unfortunately, those of the words from the Chancellor and

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the actions do not run the match that. He has recommended more money

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for the regions, David. Is there an opportunity for the East Midlands

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here? The regional development funds do work and the Chancellor is

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saying the money is there but you must have affected birds and it is

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important that our region put in better bids -- effective bids. We

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need to fight for the money to come here and there are some great

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success stories. A company in my constituency is expanding in

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engineering and Churchill's now have a company in Mexico are taking

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on apprentices there. We are rejuvenating the economy and a

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million jobs in the private sector. Does Lord Heseltine's report give

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us an opportunity? Nothing succeeds like success, he is the man who

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regenerated the Docklands, got Liverpool going again. He has come

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up with a very good package to bring different organisations

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together in the regions so that we can have a more effective way of

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attracting growth, making people happier in their lives through

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better jobs. A lot of good ideas there but the reality is, I am

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afraid, are falling very short of that. Heseltine was very critical

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of the Government's approach, has in fact I'm it -- we have seen a

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flat mining economy. What would you do, Chris? An auction of the Forgie

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mobile phone spectrum which will raise �3 billion -- four Jeatt

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mobile phone spectrum. That will provide money for affordable homes.

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People are suffering out there and this Utopian idea that everything

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is rosy is totally out of touch. The reality on the ground... A

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chemical plant in Derby, 350 manufacturing jobs cut. It is all

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very well Rolls-Royce announcing apprenticeships but they cannot

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said the economy on the bone. Labour Party spent too much and

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left as a terrible legacy and we are reducing the overspend, giving

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low interest rate. And we are creating an environment where new

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businesses can thrive and that is what is important. That is why our

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international competitors are envious and why we have low

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interest rates unlike most of Europe. But move on. The success of

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the Paralympics has proved a people with disabilities can take a full

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part in sport at the highest level does the same apply to politics?

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Frances Ryan is studying at the University of Nottingham about

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politics for a PhD and she does not feel disabilities are represented

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in Westminster. I am researching equal-opportunity

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I also write about equal opportunities and particularly

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disability issues. In the summer, people were glued to the TV

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watching Paralympics, people like Richard Whitehead when gold. It

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helps get disability into the mainstream and shows the way

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disabled people can represent their country. People seem uncomfortable

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with it, particularly in politics. You only need to look at the

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current Cabinet to see a model of an unrepresentative bit of

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government. White male, middle- class and not one single disabled

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person. You can run for your country but not run your country.

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11 million people have disabilities in the UK. 7% of the population.

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Lamb only aware of 6% of MPs, 1% of the comet. -- that is only 6% of

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MPs. David Blunkett is the most famous disabled MP, famous for his

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guide dog. Why does it matter? Disabled people face a lot of the

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same issues that everybody else does. But for them, the issues

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really hit them harder. Disabled people are more likely to face

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poverty and their interest really do need representing. But how will

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we do that. How will we get more disabled MPs into Parliament? There

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are many barriers in the way. Money is important for example. The Home

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Office released a funds to cover the extra cost that disabled

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candidates might face. Such as a sign language interpreter and

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transport. But other more complicated things exist.

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Management of hours that people must do. A current campaign to

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allow MPs to job-share, for instance. We need to think about

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that. Who leads us really does matter and for a lot of

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marginalised groups getting that thought is the thought of power is

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an important first move. I am delighted to said that joining

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us to debate this is a man who has just made history, Stephen Green is

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thought to be the first person with Down's syndrome to become a

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councillor anywhere in the country. He has just been appointed to

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Nuthall Parish Council and he is here with his very proud father,

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Grenville. Stephen, congratulations. Thank you. How does it feel? I feel

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better now. You looking forward to it? Yes. Are you nervous about it?

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No! Do you know what you will do when you will get in at there?

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will go for it. I am looking forward to it. Stephen does not

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know what he is in for exactly but the point of this is that it is not

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a joke. He has been put up for a parish council and are asked him

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when this came up, would you like to have a go at the parish council?

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And he said yes. He has done what anybody else can do. It is a shame

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that somebody did not stand against him because it is only a small area.

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You must be very proud. I am over It is a great achievement. Do you

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think we need more people like Stephen coming into politics?

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think it would be great if more people were. Robert Hall Farm, Jack

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Ashby, but lots of scope for people to become researchers in the House

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of Commons and work with MPs and develop skills and perhaps then

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they can go on and get a vote. Chris Leslie, Frances pointed out

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that there are very few people with disabilities at Westminster. Is

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that a problem? I think so because the people want the House of

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Commons to be broadly reflective of the population as a whole. If

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people think it is nothing to do with their real lives, they will

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not feel as if the laws of the land are reflecting their own

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experiences. If you are able to do the job and you can command the

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confidence of the electorate - and that is the key thing - then people

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are free to elect to they like. are a bit of a role model, really,

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aren't you, Stephen? Yes. They will be looking to you to see how you

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get on. The policies on the school... This is where our Amber

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his personal assistant. We are talking about places in the City

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and he is a volunteer at a school with children with learning

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disabilities. Getting that the election, the parish councils and

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town councils should not be political. It should reflect the

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grassroots and this is Stephen reflecting his grass roots, if you

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like. He decided he wanted to do it. You are hoping that other people

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will follow in his footsteps? course. We have a person who picks

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letter, you never hear anything about him, he is a great man. He

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picks letter. He should be on the parish and town councils. -- litter.

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Are you playing at politics, Chris? We need to get people from all

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sorts of backgrounds but we can also disagree with each other. It

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is ultimately about the legacy you leave behind but you look at some

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of our colleagues who have a disability, David Blunkett for is

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an -- for example, he has achieved a matter mat in spite of his

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disabilities. Love him or hate him, people have got lots of opinions

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about what he did when he was in Westminster, and that is what

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matters most. A serious point is being raised, especially when

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benefits are being cut. You are changing eligibility. We British

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people about this issue and they said that they are very worried

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that nobody is speaking up for them in Westminster. You touched on that

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but that is a real problem. I don't agree with that, I think we will

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always represent those who are as capable as we are because of

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disabilities. We are always making it a priority in Westminster, the

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benefits system is chaotic. One universal benefit is the right way

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forward and it is also right unpopular with most people that it

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should always be better to be in work than on benefits. That is a

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financial inducement to get into work. I am sure we all wish Stephen

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the very best in your new role. Good luck. Let us know how you get

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on. He was there until 2015, he is there until that date so he never

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gives up. Good for you, Stephen. We have been saying for weeks but the

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Police and Crime Commissioner elections are now just two weeks

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away. This week is art look at all the candidates in Leicestershire.

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Three candidates for Leicestershire and Rutland. Sir Clive loader is

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standing for the Conservatives, a former front line pilot with the

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RAF Flying ing campaigns in the Falklands, Iraq and the Balkans. He

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is now retired and has a parish councillor in Rutland.

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So Russell is Labour's candidate, a Leicester City councillor and

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chairs the safe at Leicester partnership. She is a mother with

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two children. The Independent councillor has been

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a community leader for more than 30 years and a former magistrate and a

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community advocate. All three have been at the hustings event at a

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market Harborough Church and our reporter caught up with them there.

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The candidates are ready and the public are arriving and before they

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arrive I will talk to people. Clive, you are the Conservative councillor,

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what do you know about policing in the City? Quite a lot are for the

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last five months. I have educated myself a lot about the police and

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about the concerns and aspirations of the people who live in Leicester

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City. I think I am pretty well versed. Sir Russell, the Labour

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Party candidate, what do you know about rural policing -- Sarah

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Russell? Have been working on the strategic partnership initiative

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looking at issues across the board. I am hoping that will come in handy.

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The only independent candidate, this is an extremely diverse patch,

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how will you be able to have an opinion about both sides, the City

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and the two counties? I am a resident of the city for 30 years

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and my role in both the county and the City and there have been

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involved with the police force for 15 years and I understand both

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sides of the border. Clive, you have a military background, what

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use will that be to you if you were to be the Police and Crime

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Commissioner here in Leicestershire and Rutland? He is enormously

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important. In my last job, I commanded a lot of people, 31,500.

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�2.6 billion budget and I think those will be critical skills.

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Leadership and management, certainly budgetary knowledge and

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the fact that I have taken some very hard decisions with regard to

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budget and staying within them. These are skills that will be

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required in big measure for a successful Police and Crime

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Commissioner. Sarah, you have got tough competition, why should

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people that for you? I am approachable, people know me very

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easily. I work across partners and bringing people together is a skill

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of mind. I have got a track record with results, leading difficult

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budget, working with community safe project and making things better

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for people. The only other two candidates are both from main

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political parties. Don't you need that kind of backing to win? I do

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not think so. It should be independent because it is something

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we must guard. However I feel that all three candidates that are

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looked at in this race our friends and we have formed a good

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friendship with each other understand away from party politics

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nevertheless. Don't forget, these elections are

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taking place right across the East Midlands and you can find out about

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your candidates in your area by going to the politics pages of the

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BBC website. You certainly can and next week we

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will look for the Lincolnshire candidates. Now a round in 60

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The future of the region's biggest newspapers is up for debate.

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Northcliffe Media, owner of the Derby Telegraph and the Nottingham

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Post, is in talks with Trinity Mirror over the creation of a new

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local newspaper group. Regional papers have lost thousands of

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readers as the recession and the internet have hit sales. Dick East

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Midlands Euro-MP Emma Cartland has added her voice to calls for a

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super-fast broadband system to be rolled out across the region. She

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has told the UK Government that technology is vital for business

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growth. Key bars wants to hear from victims

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of anti-social behaviour. -- Keith Vaz. He is chairing a select

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committee which is about to take a closer look at government plans for

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new laws. Safer cycling and tougher laws for

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cyclists - that is the call from Nottingham North MP Graham Allen.

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Seven cyclists have died so far this year on Nottinghamshire's

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roads compared with two last year. Graham Allen is lobbying for light

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Cycle safety, a serious issue that Graham Allen has raised. Are you

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for helmets being warned? So to me for lights and it is already too

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not ride with light. I am not convinced about helmets. For short

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journeys and on roads that are not a long traffic it is not necessary

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and peoples must make their own journeys. I have written a cycle

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and I like to feel the wind on my face -- with in a cycle. The roads

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are dangerous. Seven killed on Nottinghamshire's roads. Seven

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people is a tragedy but in proportion... Look at the number of

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cyclists out there, a very tiny amount. I am sorry but the trade-

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off, the wind in your hair versus the harm that can come from some of

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these accidents. You must ensure that we have decent cycle safety.

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People used to make this argument about wearing a seatbelt and what

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