04/11/2012 Sunday Politics East Midlands


Andrew Neil and Marie Ashby with the latest political news, interviews and debate. Including UKIP leader Nigel Farage, and David Willetts on Lord Heseltine's growth plan.

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In the East Midlands: Is it time for people with


disabilities to make their voices heard? We'll be hearing from the


Nottingham man who's become Britain's first ever councillor


with Down's Syndrome. And the Chancellor on the East Midlands


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In the East Midlands, is it time for people with disabilities to


make their voices heard? We all hear from the Nottingham man who


has become Britain's first ever councillor with Down's syndrome.


And the Chancellor on the East Midlands economy at. More money for


investment in the region and for apprenticeships that you see being


taught behind me. More from George Osborne in a moment and this week


my guests are David Tredinnick, Conservative MP for Bosworth and


Chris Leslie, Labour's MP for Nottingham East. Guy Fawkes would


have loved it - plenty of fireworks in Westminster. The return of


Michael Heseltine warning David Cameron that he must do more to


encourage growth and a rebellion about Europe. Heather Wheeler,


Nigel Mills, Andrew Bridgen rebelled on Europe, what do you


think about that? The budget being frozen is a very sensible policy.


What do you think about the people who did not go along with you?


Parliamentarians can vote according to their wishes and according to


their innermost beliefs. In my case, I thought the right thing to do was


to support the Government who have a sensible position. Chris, you


have a lot to say on the EU budget debate. Were you arguing for a cut?


Absolutely. If you have got people being asked to give back child


benefit, cuts in public transport and policing, public transport, why


should the EU budget be exempt from that? We were arguing that freezing


the budget - and when they say freezing that includes inflation -


it is not ambitious enough. They should be aiming for a reduction in


real terms and that is the point we were making. Parliament decided to


tell the Prime Minister that was his task and that is what he must


now deliver. The other argument is the opposite, which is it is


ridiculous going into an untenable position. It is the toughest


position we have had a hand and he has said he will veto if he does


not get what we want. The Deputy Prime Minister says that he does


not want to go down that particular route and the Prime Minister has


got one view and we hear today Ken Clarke talking about it being a


ludicrous position and the difficulty for the Government is


that they are divided into so many different fragments. Can I just ask


you, Chris, handed it feel voting alongside right-wing Tories -- how


did it feel? It is in the interests of the taxpayer and getting the


best deal. At home, so many people are suffering because of the


Conservative austerity. Who better to ask about the East Midlands


economy than the Chancellor of the Exchequer, he was in Derby talking


about apprenticeships at Rolls- Royce but with our region coming


bottom of the league when it comes to government cash for regeneration,


we wanted to know if you could see more help in the future. Our


correspondent asked him about his plans to boost the economy.


East Midlands has got so much good about it, some great firms and


people and the East Midlands, if it puts forward some new bid, can get


government investment in the regional growth projects we want to


see. And yet in the recent round of growth funding, we came bottom of


the pile, below the south-east of England. Can that be right? We have


got a pot of money and the independent panel, not the


politicians. That panel look at who bids for that money. So why am


willing to work with the East Midlands to improve the quality of


the bid to make sure they get the money and the funding they deserve.


The money is there of the economy is like here. We put money into


this facility, the apprenticeship academy which we are standing in


today and that happened under this government so we are committed to


the future of the East Midlands. You are saying it is down to the


business communities to come up with better bids? We must get more


investment into the East Midlands and it cannot be the role of


government by itself, it cannot be the business community by itself


because then it does not get the support that the Government can


provide, it is only when the two worked together. Together we can


have success stories like the one behind me. There will be more money


for investment in the regions and the East Midlands, more money for


the can of apprenticeships that we see been caught behind me.


Miss Lesley, you are looking shocked there. -- Chris Leslie.


have seen investment in regional growth cut by half under this


government so I can't see where this money is coming from. The East


Midlands has done particularly badly under this government because


they centralised the decision- making under this thing called the


regional growth fund thing. Are you suggesting that we have not had the


correct bid? Plenty of people criticise the previous systems but


at least there where decisions about support in the economy in the


actual areas and because these are things made in Whitehall, it is no


wonder that London and the essential areas do better than


elsewhere. That is the problem, they need to devolve some of these


situations. But he was saying he wanted to help businesses make


those bids. Unfortunately, those of the words from the Chancellor and


the actions do not run the match that. He has recommended more money


for the regions, David. Is there an opportunity for the East Midlands


here? The regional development funds do work and the Chancellor is


saying the money is there but you must have affected birds and it is


important that our region put in better bids -- effective bids. We


need to fight for the money to come here and there are some great


success stories. A company in my constituency is expanding in


engineering and Churchill's now have a company in Mexico are taking


on apprentices there. We are rejuvenating the economy and a


million jobs in the private sector. Does Lord Heseltine's report give


us an opportunity? Nothing succeeds like success, he is the man who


regenerated the Docklands, got Liverpool going again. He has come


up with a very good package to bring different organisations


together in the regions so that we can have a more effective way of


attracting growth, making people happier in their lives through


better jobs. A lot of good ideas there but the reality is, I am


afraid, are falling very short of that. Heseltine was very critical


of the Government's approach, has in fact I'm it -- we have seen a


flat mining economy. What would you do, Chris? An auction of the Forgie


mobile phone spectrum which will raise �3 billion -- four Jeatt


mobile phone spectrum. That will provide money for affordable homes.


People are suffering out there and this Utopian idea that everything


is rosy is totally out of touch. The reality on the ground... A


chemical plant in Derby, 350 manufacturing jobs cut. It is all


very well Rolls-Royce announcing apprenticeships but they cannot


said the economy on the bone. Labour Party spent too much and


left as a terrible legacy and we are reducing the overspend, giving


low interest rate. And we are creating an environment where new


businesses can thrive and that is what is important. That is why our


international competitors are envious and why we have low


interest rates unlike most of Europe. But move on. The success of


the Paralympics has proved a people with disabilities can take a full


part in sport at the highest level does the same apply to politics?


Frances Ryan is studying at the University of Nottingham about


politics for a PhD and she does not feel disabilities are represented


in Westminster. I am researching equal-opportunity


I also write about equal opportunities and particularly


disability issues. In the summer, people were glued to the TV


watching Paralympics, people like Richard Whitehead when gold. It


helps get disability into the mainstream and shows the way


disabled people can represent their country. People seem uncomfortable


with it, particularly in politics. You only need to look at the


current Cabinet to see a model of an unrepresentative bit of


government. White male, middle- class and not one single disabled


person. You can run for your country but not run your country.


11 million people have disabilities in the UK. 7% of the population.


Lamb only aware of 6% of MPs, 1% of the comet. -- that is only 6% of


MPs. David Blunkett is the most famous disabled MP, famous for his


guide dog. Why does it matter? Disabled people face a lot of the


same issues that everybody else does. But for them, the issues


really hit them harder. Disabled people are more likely to face


poverty and their interest really do need representing. But how will


we do that. How will we get more disabled MPs into Parliament? There


are many barriers in the way. Money is important for example. The Home


Office released a funds to cover the extra cost that disabled


candidates might face. Such as a sign language interpreter and


transport. But other more complicated things exist.


Management of hours that people must do. A current campaign to


allow MPs to job-share, for instance. We need to think about


that. Who leads us really does matter and for a lot of


marginalised groups getting that thought is the thought of power is


an important first move. I am delighted to said that joining


us to debate this is a man who has just made history, Stephen Green is


thought to be the first person with Down's syndrome to become a


councillor anywhere in the country. He has just been appointed to


Nuthall Parish Council and he is here with his very proud father,


Grenville. Stephen, congratulations. Thank you. How does it feel? I feel


better now. You looking forward to it? Yes. Are you nervous about it?


No! Do you know what you will do when you will get in at there?


will go for it. I am looking forward to it. Stephen does not


know what he is in for exactly but the point of this is that it is not


a joke. He has been put up for a parish council and are asked him


when this came up, would you like to have a go at the parish council?


And he said yes. He has done what anybody else can do. It is a shame


that somebody did not stand against him because it is only a small area.


You must be very proud. I am over It is a great achievement. Do you


think we need more people like Stephen coming into politics?


think it would be great if more people were. Robert Hall Farm, Jack


Ashby, but lots of scope for people to become researchers in the House


of Commons and work with MPs and develop skills and perhaps then


they can go on and get a vote. Chris Leslie, Frances pointed out


that there are very few people with disabilities at Westminster. Is


that a problem? I think so because the people want the House of


Commons to be broadly reflective of the population as a whole. If


people think it is nothing to do with their real lives, they will


not feel as if the laws of the land are reflecting their own


experiences. If you are able to do the job and you can command the


confidence of the electorate - and that is the key thing - then people


are free to elect to they like. are a bit of a role model, really,


aren't you, Stephen? Yes. They will be looking to you to see how you


get on. The policies on the school... This is where our Amber


his personal assistant. We are talking about places in the City


and he is a volunteer at a school with children with learning


disabilities. Getting that the election, the parish councils and


town councils should not be political. It should reflect the


grassroots and this is Stephen reflecting his grass roots, if you


like. He decided he wanted to do it. You are hoping that other people


will follow in his footsteps? course. We have a person who picks


letter, you never hear anything about him, he is a great man. He


picks letter. He should be on the parish and town councils. -- litter.


Are you playing at politics, Chris? We need to get people from all


sorts of backgrounds but we can also disagree with each other. It


is ultimately about the legacy you leave behind but you look at some


of our colleagues who have a disability, David Blunkett for is


an -- for example, he has achieved a matter mat in spite of his


disabilities. Love him or hate him, people have got lots of opinions


about what he did when he was in Westminster, and that is what


matters most. A serious point is being raised, especially when


benefits are being cut. You are changing eligibility. We British


people about this issue and they said that they are very worried


that nobody is speaking up for them in Westminster. You touched on that


but that is a real problem. I don't agree with that, I think we will


always represent those who are as capable as we are because of


disabilities. We are always making it a priority in Westminster, the


benefits system is chaotic. One universal benefit is the right way


forward and it is also right unpopular with most people that it


should always be better to be in work than on benefits. That is a


financial inducement to get into work. I am sure we all wish Stephen


the very best in your new role. Good luck. Let us know how you get


on. He was there until 2015, he is there until that date so he never


gives up. Good for you, Stephen. We have been saying for weeks but the


Police and Crime Commissioner elections are now just two weeks


away. This week is art look at all the candidates in Leicestershire.


Three candidates for Leicestershire and Rutland. Sir Clive loader is


standing for the Conservatives, a former front line pilot with the


RAF Flying ing campaigns in the Falklands, Iraq and the Balkans. He


is now retired and has a parish councillor in Rutland.


So Russell is Labour's candidate, a Leicester City councillor and


chairs the safe at Leicester partnership. She is a mother with


two children. The Independent councillor has been


a community leader for more than 30 years and a former magistrate and a


community advocate. All three have been at the hustings event at a


market Harborough Church and our reporter caught up with them there.


The candidates are ready and the public are arriving and before they


arrive I will talk to people. Clive, you are the Conservative councillor,


what do you know about policing in the City? Quite a lot are for the


last five months. I have educated myself a lot about the police and


about the concerns and aspirations of the people who live in Leicester


City. I think I am pretty well versed. Sir Russell, the Labour


Party candidate, what do you know about rural policing -- Sarah


Russell? Have been working on the strategic partnership initiative


looking at issues across the board. I am hoping that will come in handy.


The only independent candidate, this is an extremely diverse patch,


how will you be able to have an opinion about both sides, the City


and the two counties? I am a resident of the city for 30 years


and my role in both the county and the City and there have been


involved with the police force for 15 years and I understand both


sides of the border. Clive, you have a military background, what


use will that be to you if you were to be the Police and Crime


Commissioner here in Leicestershire and Rutland? He is enormously


important. In my last job, I commanded a lot of people, 31,500.


�2.6 billion budget and I think those will be critical skills.


Leadership and management, certainly budgetary knowledge and


the fact that I have taken some very hard decisions with regard to


budget and staying within them. These are skills that will be


required in big measure for a successful Police and Crime


Commissioner. Sarah, you have got tough competition, why should


people that for you? I am approachable, people know me very


easily. I work across partners and bringing people together is a skill


of mind. I have got a track record with results, leading difficult


budget, working with community safe project and making things better


for people. The only other two candidates are both from main


political parties. Don't you need that kind of backing to win? I do


not think so. It should be independent because it is something


we must guard. However I feel that all three candidates that are


looked at in this race our friends and we have formed a good


friendship with each other understand away from party politics


nevertheless. Don't forget, these elections are


taking place right across the East Midlands and you can find out about


your candidates in your area by going to the politics pages of the


BBC website. You certainly can and next week we


will look for the Lincolnshire candidates. Now a round in 60


The future of the region's biggest newspapers is up for debate.


Northcliffe Media, owner of the Derby Telegraph and the Nottingham


Post, is in talks with Trinity Mirror over the creation of a new


local newspaper group. Regional papers have lost thousands of


readers as the recession and the internet have hit sales. Dick East


Midlands Euro-MP Emma Cartland has added her voice to calls for a


super-fast broadband system to be rolled out across the region. She


has told the UK Government that technology is vital for business


growth. Key bars wants to hear from victims


of anti-social behaviour. -- Keith Vaz. He is chairing a select


committee which is about to take a closer look at government plans for


new laws. Safer cycling and tougher laws for


cyclists - that is the call from Nottingham North MP Graham Allen.


Seven cyclists have died so far this year on Nottinghamshire's


roads compared with two last year. Graham Allen is lobbying for light


Cycle safety, a serious issue that Graham Allen has raised. Are you


for helmets being warned? So to me for lights and it is already too


not ride with light. I am not convinced about helmets. For short


journeys and on roads that are not a long traffic it is not necessary


and peoples must make their own journeys. I have written a cycle


and I like to feel the wind on my face -- with in a cycle. The roads


are dangerous. Seven killed on Nottinghamshire's roads. Seven


people is a tragedy but in proportion... Look at the number of


cyclists out there, a very tiny amount. I am sorry but the trade-


off, the wind in your hair versus the harm that can come from some of


these accidents. You must ensure that we have decent cycle safety.


People used to make this argument about wearing a seatbelt and what


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