11/11/2012 Sunday Politics East Midlands

Could news on the economy with new jobs and big profits from some of

our biggest companies and the politician who is a climate change

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sceptic meets a scientist worried In the East Midlands, fasten your

safety belts could manufacturing in Derbyshire be driving the region on

the road to recovery? And can scientists convince the sceptic

over climate change? Journey this week, Pauline Latham and Labour's

man in Derby North, Chris Williamson is in Westminster. We

have got some good news. At least it will put a smile on the face of

our guests today because it is happening in Derbyshire. The new

Toyota Auris started rolling off the production line at the

Burnaston factory. It has invested around �185 million in its UK

manufacturing and supply chain for the car resulting in a hundred new

jobs. Rolls Royce has announced profits of more than �1 billion

despite difficult conditions around the world. The company has also won

�20 billion worth of orders for its aircraft engines. Chris Williamson,

no denying this, this is good news for Derbyshire? It is. Darbyshire's

economy is pretty unique outside of London because we have these high-

tech industries which have helped to drive growth and the impact of

the downturn has not been as severe here as it has been in other parts

of the country. What it is not all rosy in the garden however, because

the government did let us down at what regards to the Thames link

contract and it has been making cuts in public services. There is a

symbiotic relationship between the public and private sectors and when

there is a reduction in a number of staff employed, the reduction in

the amount of procurement that public sector companies -- that has

a knock-on impact as well. You were rolling your eyes. We cannot just

rely on Toyota and Rolls Royce to try this out of the recession?

is amazing news and I am amazed that he is doom and gloom. We

should be celebrating and Rolls Royce and Toyota are doing really

well and it is not just them, it is the knock-on Industries, the supply

chain that we have and they will do well out of it as well. It is all

right him in being doom and gloom that we have to look at the

positives. We should be shouting this from the rooftops and

celebrating. Are you always demand Glyn? I am being realistic. Of

course I am celebrating this. It is excellent news and we are fortunate

to have a these companies here, but we need to recognise that the rest

of the economy is really struggling. We need to acknowledge that public

services are being decimated and do not forget, bombard EA is the last

train making company that is left in the United Kingdom. There is a

real danger that they could pull out of the UK if the government

does not get his facts together and sort out some contracts for it.

They should have awarded that deal to the company at and there's a

question mark over another deal, and there is a real chance they

will pull out of the UK and that would be devastating. Dare we say,

green shoots of recovery, it is positive news, but higher fire does

it go? A I am really pleased. We want other industries to get more

contracts and attract more businesses and on Tuesday we have

got a reception showcasing Derby for other industries and I hope

that if he comes to that, he will be talking positively. Let us not

talk it down. I always top it up. One of the down sides of having a

strong industrial bases and the effect it has on pollution, the

East Midlands is responsible for the third highest CO2 emissions in

the country. Roger Helmer or things that even if climate change is

happening, it is being caused by nature, not man. Can anything

changed his mind? He is the MEP who is a sceptic on climate change,

they are the scientists who are convinced it is a major threat.

should tell Brussels we are keeping our coal-fired power stations. We

should repeal of the 2008 climate change that. Roger Helmer gets a

standing ovation from the UKIP confident -- conference. What kind

of reception will he get from the scientists at this university?

MEP except that global warming may be happening but believes it is

part of a natural pattern of warming and cooling. Today, he is

meeting three scientists convince that it is carbon emissions causing

the problem. He is shown at their evidence, but he has come armed

with his own facts as well. There is a bit of variation, but there is

no trend, there is no long-term increase over 15 years. You are

right that in the sense over the last 15 years there was no

measurable climate change, but if you look at the last 150 years,

then we do see a quite significant increase. One by one, the

scientists take on the MEP. We are living in a plateau of

extraordinary stability. What we are threatening to do is to push in

the system in ways we still do not quite understand. If you look at

the long-term record you find that there are widely varying levels of

Co 20 and you do not seem to see any close relationship. I would

disagree with that. There are lots of incidences were we see carbon

dioxide controlling the planet. stakes could hardly be higher. If

the scientists are right, urgent action needs to be taken and if

Roger Helmer is right, we are spending billions on a problem

which does not exist. So, as the meeting led to agreement? It is

great he has taken an interest, but we would have to sit down with him

and tried to work through the kind of evidence that we have gone

through. At I have got great respect for them, but I have met

and worked with other highly qualified scientists to take a

different view. What we are dealing with his highly disputed, highly

speculative science and on the base of this, we are spending literally

hundreds of billions of pounds, unimaginable amounts of money, on a

problem at that may not be a problem. The evidence for climate

change is so overwhelming that if he still doubts it, he will not be

convinced just by meeting as. the scientist, it is a chance to

put an urgent case to a politician, for Roger Helmer, it has confirmed

his view that the scientists have got it wrong. It could be a long

time before they see eye to eye. Councillor Richard Mallender is

chair of the Nottingham Green Party, what you make of that? I think he

is tremendous good value but he could argue all day about this and

he will never be convinced on climate change. Is it disappointing

when you see how strongly the scientists were trying to persuade

him? I do not think they will ever be able to persuade him. They will

never persuade him on this. We are armed only with peer reviewed

science and these guys have spent their life studying mess it, there

are thousands of scientists who have come to pretty much the same

conclusion, it is a degree of climate change that is caused by

people, not whether or not it is happening. You said you are going

to be the greenest government ever but this coalition seems to be

split on this. I think wind farms are questionable. Often they are

not moving and they are a big intrusion into the landscape. There

are other things that we can do and we are moving on a green industry.

We should be trying to persuade people to insulate their houses and

we have got the green in deal about his putting a lot of money into

that. We're looking at alternative technologies and we are spreading

the risk on the technology so that we have plenty of different options,

but the key thing is that people need to insulate their houses...

heard how bad we are on CO2 emissions and we had just heard the

good news about Toyota and Rolls Royce, but that could be bad news

for the environment. And I do not think it is bad news for the

environment. Rolls Royce and Toyota are leading the way in green

technologies, more fuel-efficient cars and aero-engines, we cannot

live in a bubble, it is vital that we support our manufacturing

industries. As far is this government being green, you could

have fooled me. The Green Deal is not fit for purpose and it will not

do him with the poorest households, they are very unlikely to take up

the deal and they are the ones that need it most. They have undermined

the feed-in tariff system and they have not gone ahead with the

capture and storage demonstration. The government agreed to do one and

now they're not even going ahead with that. If we're going to meet

our climate change obligations, the government is going to have to up

its game. He has to rant and have bad news. We are looking and trying

to work with people to make sure that they can insulate their houses,

there is a huge amount of money going into it, and that will make a

difference. Rolls Royce and Toyota are doing a lot for the local

environment because they have built new buildings and Rolls Royce has

invested billions of pounds here and they are making sure that they

are energy-efficient buildings. What to make of the way these

parties are tackling this? I do not think they are getting to grips

with this seriously. We need to insulate homes, we need jobs for

the area, but we are talking about creating a greener jobs and

building that infrastructure for the economy. Encouraging more

aerospace manufacture is not the way to go. We need to structure a

way around short-haul flights. We see the Conservatives angling

towards wanting to increase the amount of aviation, wanting to

build a third runway at Heathrow... It is not the wrong kind of

investment. High-speed two, will have a large carbon footprint

simply because of the speed that you intend to run the train at. If

you ran it as a slower network, DUP what about other countries who have

fast trains? We need those trains. We are looking at another place to

put a terminal simply because we need people to fly to this country

otherwise we will not have the good jobs. You can use it

teleconferencing. We have a perfect example here. Richard Mallender

thank you very much. There is less than one week to go and signs that

people are becoming interested in the Police and Crime Commissioner

elections. Voting takes place on Thursday and we will be gauging

public opinion on the streets of the East Midlands, but first our

political editor has been looking at a line-up of candidates for

Lincolnshire. There four candidates. Paul Gleeson is the Labour

candidate, he is a councillor. He is promising to protect frontline

policing services, retain a fully functioning police station and

custodial seat in central Lincoln and balance the needs of rural and

urban areas. The police have lost their connection with people. If

you vote for me, I will return the role of the police to you, I will

listen to you and meet with you. Richard Davies is standing for the

Conservatives. He is a Lincolnshire County Council air and a member of

the Lincolnshire Police Authority. He is promising to improve the

quality of policing, to have a cop shop in every town and to have

councils and voluntary groups are finding more police community

support officers. I am standing because I believe in visibility and

preventing crime is the key to success. We need less victims of

crime and we need to see more of the 1,100 police officers we have

got. I was born here and I had been on the police authority so I know

the current problems and I can deliver a better service and a

service that people deserve. This man is an independent. He is a

former Chief Executive of Lincolnshire County Council and was

also chairman of the United Lincolnshire hospitals trust. He

wants to retain the independence of the police, look closely at the

funding of the police to make sure it is sustainable and tougher

sanctions on repeat offenders. reason I am standing is that I do

not believe that politicians should be running the police, but that is

not the only reason. The criminal justice system and our courts have

delivered a system which is soft on repeat offenders and I want to try

and tackle not just the policing issues, but also those broader

issues. Alan Hardwick is standing as an independent. He is a former

television presenter and has worked for the last four years of the

Lincolnshire Police Authority. He wants to keep the police free from

political interference and he wants a policy of zero tolerance on anti-

social behaviour and he wants a focus on rural and local crime.

am a professional communicator and I believe the key to success is to

communicate, co-operate with the people of Lincolnshire to get their

ideas and suggestions, they will get a chance to dictate how their

policing is run. When I listen to them, I will translate their

problems into action. Just to let you know the EU can now see the

profiles of all the candidates in elections by visiting the East

Midlands pages of the BBC's website. Four days to go, all the

predictions are that turnout will be low and now wish your chance to

tell people why they should vote. do not think it will be as low as

people think. I had used my postal vote already. I hope people will

use them. People should be voting even if they do not believe in

Police Commissioners. They perhaps do not know enough about it, but

they should use their vote because on Thursday we will have a Police

Commissioner in every county in the country and if they do not use

their vote they will have had no say in the matter. To the underside

of, what would you say? It is important about people utilise the

vote. We think it would be better to use the funding earmarked for

this on frontline policing. You are fielding candidates. Of course. If

people want a commissioner to stand up for the police, I would urge

them to vote for the Labour candidates who will actually try

and resist the government's 20% reduction in frontline police

officers and the privatisation of the police. There are other

candidates standing, but if there is a low turnout, the predictions

are 20%, to the commissioners even have a mandate to do the job?

is democracy. People do not have to vote. People can exercise their

choice to not vote, but I think it would be sad if people do not have

a voice because these are really important jobs and I think it is

really important for them to have their say on the type of policing

they want in their area. At the beginning of this campaign, very

few people knew the elections were happening. This week people in

Grantham said they knew they were going on but were still deciding

whether or not to vote. No, I am not. I think that instead of

spending the money or on the commissioners, they should be

spending it on police officers. am not interested. I am aware that

a little bit more. Yes, I will definitely be voting. Why should

one individual have the power to sack a police inspector if he is

not doing his job, that should be the job of the government. Someone

in a proper position can keep an eye on what the police are doing. I

think it is a good idea. It's for the police. I do not know if I will

vote. I wasn't sure about it. It was in the back of my mind. Let his

-- let us hope it is not in the back of his mind next week. Would

it not be a disaster if people did not allow it to vote? It is up to

individuals whether they go out to vote, but it is important for the

country that they exercise their right to make a decision on this.

It is really important and I would urge everyone out there to go out

and vote. The is a concern that politics could take over policing,

surely there is a chance that more people may go out and vote for

independence? That is the democratic choice to do that. We

are fielding Labour candidates and we hope that people will support us.

We will be standing up for the policing service and standing

against the cuts to frontline policing. If the government was

really interested in democracy, they would not be holding a

selection in the middle of winter. The election is taking place, but

whoever is in charge they are going to have to oversee tens of millions

of pounds worth of cuts and that is the reality. We all have to make

sacrifices, we have got a big deficit left to us by Labour over

the worst deficit ever and we have got to balance our books and if we

do not do that and unfortunately, it means that police have to take

their share, but there are opportunities for other people to

come in and take over at the back office functions which will in fact

help save money and it has been shown to do that in other areas.

The police have already been doing that, it will not just be the

police paying the price, it will be the public, who will not get the

policing that they deserve. Those elections are taking place on

Thursday. I have not seen the weather forecast, but let us hope

it is good. Time to catch up with some of the

other political stories from the East Midlands this week.

Could the people of Leicester be asked if they want to get rid of

the City's Meyer? There are reports that a petition is being drawn up

to hold a debate on the subject. There was a sharp exchange of words

in the Commons between the Nottingham South MP and the Deputy

Prime Minister when she drew his attention to problems at Kettering

District Hospital. I find it extraordinary that she process in

this will fall scaremongering. the Labour MP was unrepentant.

official documents say that the best option is downgrading

Kettering District Hospital's casualty department, maternity and

acute services and cutting of 550 of its 658 beds.

Staying with health is the East Midlands getting a bad deal from

the government, this time on cuts to nursing numbers? Chris

Williamson says the region has lost more than twice as many nurses as

the South of England. You had a go at these figures on

nursing cuts, why is it that we are worse off here? It is not just

according to me, it is according to official figures that have

illustrated that fact. It seems that the Government is protecting

its Tory heartlands at the expense of places like the East Midlands.

We cannot argue with the fact that we have lost 550 nurses in this

region, 2.5% reduction compared to 1.1% in the south of England. I

think that is unfair when before the election the Prime Minister

said he would cut the deficit, not the NHS,. We are spending more on

health service which his party did not want to spend. They wanted to

reduce the health service budget, but we have committed to keeping it

and increasing it. What we have got to do is make sure that we do