11/11/2012 Sunday Politics East Midlands


11/11/2012

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Could news on the economy with new jobs and big profits from some of

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our biggest companies and the politician who is a climate change

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2137 seconds

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sceptic meets a scientist worried In the East Midlands, fasten your

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safety belts could manufacturing in Derbyshire be driving the region on

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the road to recovery? And can scientists convince the sceptic

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over climate change? Journey this week, Pauline Latham and Labour's

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man in Derby North, Chris Williamson is in Westminster. We

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have got some good news. At least it will put a smile on the face of

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our guests today because it is happening in Derbyshire. The new

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Toyota Auris started rolling off the production line at the

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Burnaston factory. It has invested around �185 million in its UK

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manufacturing and supply chain for the car resulting in a hundred new

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jobs. Rolls Royce has announced profits of more than �1 billion

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despite difficult conditions around the world. The company has also won

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�20 billion worth of orders for its aircraft engines. Chris Williamson,

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no denying this, this is good news for Derbyshire? It is. Darbyshire's

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economy is pretty unique outside of London because we have these high-

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tech industries which have helped to drive growth and the impact of

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the downturn has not been as severe here as it has been in other parts

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of the country. What it is not all rosy in the garden however, because

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the government did let us down at what regards to the Thames link

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contract and it has been making cuts in public services. There is a

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symbiotic relationship between the public and private sectors and when

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there is a reduction in a number of staff employed, the reduction in

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the amount of procurement that public sector companies -- that has

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a knock-on impact as well. You were rolling your eyes. We cannot just

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rely on Toyota and Rolls Royce to try this out of the recession?

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is amazing news and I am amazed that he is doom and gloom. We

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should be celebrating and Rolls Royce and Toyota are doing really

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well and it is not just them, it is the knock-on Industries, the supply

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chain that we have and they will do well out of it as well. It is all

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right him in being doom and gloom that we have to look at the

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positives. We should be shouting this from the rooftops and

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celebrating. Are you always demand Glyn? I am being realistic. Of

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course I am celebrating this. It is excellent news and we are fortunate

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to have a these companies here, but we need to recognise that the rest

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of the economy is really struggling. We need to acknowledge that public

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services are being decimated and do not forget, bombard EA is the last

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train making company that is left in the United Kingdom. There is a

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real danger that they could pull out of the UK if the government

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does not get his facts together and sort out some contracts for it.

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They should have awarded that deal to the company at and there's a

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question mark over another deal, and there is a real chance they

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will pull out of the UK and that would be devastating. Dare we say,

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green shoots of recovery, it is positive news, but higher fire does

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it go? A I am really pleased. We want other industries to get more

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contracts and attract more businesses and on Tuesday we have

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got a reception showcasing Derby for other industries and I hope

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that if he comes to that, he will be talking positively. Let us not

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talk it down. I always top it up. One of the down sides of having a

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strong industrial bases and the effect it has on pollution, the

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East Midlands is responsible for the third highest CO2 emissions in

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the country. Roger Helmer or things that even if climate change is

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happening, it is being caused by nature, not man. Can anything

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changed his mind? He is the MEP who is a sceptic on climate change,

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they are the scientists who are convinced it is a major threat.

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should tell Brussels we are keeping our coal-fired power stations. We

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should repeal of the 2008 climate change that. Roger Helmer gets a

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standing ovation from the UKIP confident -- conference. What kind

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of reception will he get from the scientists at this university?

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MEP except that global warming may be happening but believes it is

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part of a natural pattern of warming and cooling. Today, he is

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meeting three scientists convince that it is carbon emissions causing

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the problem. He is shown at their evidence, but he has come armed

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with his own facts as well. There is a bit of variation, but there is

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no trend, there is no long-term increase over 15 years. You are

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right that in the sense over the last 15 years there was no

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measurable climate change, but if you look at the last 150 years,

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then we do see a quite significant increase. One by one, the

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scientists take on the MEP. We are living in a plateau of

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extraordinary stability. What we are threatening to do is to push in

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the system in ways we still do not quite understand. If you look at

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the long-term record you find that there are widely varying levels of

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Co 20 and you do not seem to see any close relationship. I would

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disagree with that. There are lots of incidences were we see carbon

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dioxide controlling the planet. stakes could hardly be higher. If

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the scientists are right, urgent action needs to be taken and if

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Roger Helmer is right, we are spending billions on a problem

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which does not exist. So, as the meeting led to agreement? It is

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great he has taken an interest, but we would have to sit down with him

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and tried to work through the kind of evidence that we have gone

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through. At I have got great respect for them, but I have met

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and worked with other highly qualified scientists to take a

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different view. What we are dealing with his highly disputed, highly

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speculative science and on the base of this, we are spending literally

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hundreds of billions of pounds, unimaginable amounts of money, on a

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problem at that may not be a problem. The evidence for climate

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change is so overwhelming that if he still doubts it, he will not be

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convinced just by meeting as. the scientist, it is a chance to

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put an urgent case to a politician, for Roger Helmer, it has confirmed

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his view that the scientists have got it wrong. It could be a long

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time before they see eye to eye. Councillor Richard Mallender is

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chair of the Nottingham Green Party, what you make of that? I think he

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is tremendous good value but he could argue all day about this and

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he will never be convinced on climate change. Is it disappointing

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when you see how strongly the scientists were trying to persuade

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him? I do not think they will ever be able to persuade him. They will

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never persuade him on this. We are armed only with peer reviewed

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science and these guys have spent their life studying mess it, there

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are thousands of scientists who have come to pretty much the same

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conclusion, it is a degree of climate change that is caused by

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people, not whether or not it is happening. You said you are going

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to be the greenest government ever but this coalition seems to be

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split on this. I think wind farms are questionable. Often they are

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not moving and they are a big intrusion into the landscape. There

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are other things that we can do and we are moving on a green industry.

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We should be trying to persuade people to insulate their houses and

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we have got the green in deal about his putting a lot of money into

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that. We're looking at alternative technologies and we are spreading

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the risk on the technology so that we have plenty of different options,

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but the key thing is that people need to insulate their houses...

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heard how bad we are on CO2 emissions and we had just heard the

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good news about Toyota and Rolls Royce, but that could be bad news

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for the environment. And I do not think it is bad news for the

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environment. Rolls Royce and Toyota are leading the way in green

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technologies, more fuel-efficient cars and aero-engines, we cannot

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live in a bubble, it is vital that we support our manufacturing

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industries. As far is this government being green, you could

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have fooled me. The Green Deal is not fit for purpose and it will not

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do him with the poorest households, they are very unlikely to take up

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the deal and they are the ones that need it most. They have undermined

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the feed-in tariff system and they have not gone ahead with the

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capture and storage demonstration. The government agreed to do one and

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now they're not even going ahead with that. If we're going to meet

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our climate change obligations, the government is going to have to up

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its game. He has to rant and have bad news. We are looking and trying

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to work with people to make sure that they can insulate their houses,

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there is a huge amount of money going into it, and that will make a

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difference. Rolls Royce and Toyota are doing a lot for the local

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environment because they have built new buildings and Rolls Royce has

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invested billions of pounds here and they are making sure that they

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are energy-efficient buildings. What to make of the way these

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parties are tackling this? I do not think they are getting to grips

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with this seriously. We need to insulate homes, we need jobs for

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the area, but we are talking about creating a greener jobs and

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building that infrastructure for the economy. Encouraging more

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aerospace manufacture is not the way to go. We need to structure a

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way around short-haul flights. We see the Conservatives angling

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towards wanting to increase the amount of aviation, wanting to

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build a third runway at Heathrow... It is not the wrong kind of

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investment. High-speed two, will have a large carbon footprint

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simply because of the speed that you intend to run the train at. If

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you ran it as a slower network, DUP what about other countries who have

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fast trains? We need those trains. We are looking at another place to

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put a terminal simply because we need people to fly to this country

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otherwise we will not have the good jobs. You can use it

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teleconferencing. We have a perfect example here. Richard Mallender

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thank you very much. There is less than one week to go and signs that

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people are becoming interested in the Police and Crime Commissioner

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elections. Voting takes place on Thursday and we will be gauging

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public opinion on the streets of the East Midlands, but first our

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political editor has been looking at a line-up of candidates for

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Lincolnshire. There four candidates. Paul Gleeson is the Labour

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candidate, he is a councillor. He is promising to protect frontline

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policing services, retain a fully functioning police station and

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custodial seat in central Lincoln and balance the needs of rural and

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urban areas. The police have lost their connection with people. If

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you vote for me, I will return the role of the police to you, I will

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listen to you and meet with you. Richard Davies is standing for the

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Conservatives. He is a Lincolnshire County Council air and a member of

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the Lincolnshire Police Authority. He is promising to improve the

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quality of policing, to have a cop shop in every town and to have

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councils and voluntary groups are finding more police community

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support officers. I am standing because I believe in visibility and

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preventing crime is the key to success. We need less victims of

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crime and we need to see more of the 1,100 police officers we have

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got. I was born here and I had been on the police authority so I know

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the current problems and I can deliver a better service and a

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service that people deserve. This man is an independent. He is a

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former Chief Executive of Lincolnshire County Council and was

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also chairman of the United Lincolnshire hospitals trust. He

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wants to retain the independence of the police, look closely at the

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funding of the police to make sure it is sustainable and tougher

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sanctions on repeat offenders. reason I am standing is that I do

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not believe that politicians should be running the police, but that is

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not the only reason. The criminal justice system and our courts have

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delivered a system which is soft on repeat offenders and I want to try

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and tackle not just the policing issues, but also those broader

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issues. Alan Hardwick is standing as an independent. He is a former

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television presenter and has worked for the last four years of the

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Lincolnshire Police Authority. He wants to keep the police free from

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political interference and he wants a policy of zero tolerance on anti-

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social behaviour and he wants a focus on rural and local crime.

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am a professional communicator and I believe the key to success is to

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communicate, co-operate with the people of Lincolnshire to get their

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ideas and suggestions, they will get a chance to dictate how their

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policing is run. When I listen to them, I will translate their

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problems into action. Just to let you know the EU can now see the

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profiles of all the candidates in elections by visiting the East

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Midlands pages of the BBC's website. Four days to go, all the

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predictions are that turnout will be low and now wish your chance to

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tell people why they should vote. do not think it will be as low as

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people think. I had used my postal vote already. I hope people will

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use them. People should be voting even if they do not believe in

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Police Commissioners. They perhaps do not know enough about it, but

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they should use their vote because on Thursday we will have a Police

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Commissioner in every county in the country and if they do not use

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their vote they will have had no say in the matter. To the underside

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of, what would you say? It is important about people utilise the

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vote. We think it would be better to use the funding earmarked for

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this on frontline policing. You are fielding candidates. Of course. If

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people want a commissioner to stand up for the police, I would urge

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them to vote for the Labour candidates who will actually try

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and resist the government's 20% reduction in frontline police

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officers and the privatisation of the police. There are other

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candidates standing, but if there is a low turnout, the predictions

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are 20%, to the commissioners even have a mandate to do the job?

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is democracy. People do not have to vote. People can exercise their

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choice to not vote, but I think it would be sad if people do not have

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a voice because these are really important jobs and I think it is

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really important for them to have their say on the type of policing

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they want in their area. At the beginning of this campaign, very

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few people knew the elections were happening. This week people in

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Grantham said they knew they were going on but were still deciding

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whether or not to vote. No, I am not. I think that instead of

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spending the money or on the commissioners, they should be

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spending it on police officers. am not interested. I am aware that

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a little bit more. Yes, I will definitely be voting. Why should

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one individual have the power to sack a police inspector if he is

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not doing his job, that should be the job of the government. Someone

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in a proper position can keep an eye on what the police are doing. I

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think it is a good idea. It's for the police. I do not know if I will

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vote. I wasn't sure about it. It was in the back of my mind. Let his

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-- let us hope it is not in the back of his mind next week. Would

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it not be a disaster if people did not allow it to vote? It is up to

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individuals whether they go out to vote, but it is important for the

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country that they exercise their right to make a decision on this.

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It is really important and I would urge everyone out there to go out

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and vote. The is a concern that politics could take over policing,

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surely there is a chance that more people may go out and vote for

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independence? That is the democratic choice to do that. We

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are fielding Labour candidates and we hope that people will support us.

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We will be standing up for the policing service and standing

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against the cuts to frontline policing. If the government was

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really interested in democracy, they would not be holding a

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selection in the middle of winter. The election is taking place, but

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whoever is in charge they are going to have to oversee tens of millions

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of pounds worth of cuts and that is the reality. We all have to make

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sacrifices, we have got a big deficit left to us by Labour over

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the worst deficit ever and we have got to balance our books and if we

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do not do that and unfortunately, it means that police have to take

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their share, but there are opportunities for other people to

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come in and take over at the back office functions which will in fact

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help save money and it has been shown to do that in other areas.

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The police have already been doing that, it will not just be the

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police paying the price, it will be the public, who will not get the

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policing that they deserve. Those elections are taking place on

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Thursday. I have not seen the weather forecast, but let us hope

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it is good. Time to catch up with some of the

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other political stories from the East Midlands this week.

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Could the people of Leicester be asked if they want to get rid of

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the City's Meyer? There are reports that a petition is being drawn up

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to hold a debate on the subject. There was a sharp exchange of words

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in the Commons between the Nottingham South MP and the Deputy

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Prime Minister when she drew his attention to problems at Kettering

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District Hospital. I find it extraordinary that she process in

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this will fall scaremongering. the Labour MP was unrepentant.

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official documents say that the best option is downgrading

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Kettering District Hospital's casualty department, maternity and

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acute services and cutting of 550 of its 658 beds.

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Staying with health is the East Midlands getting a bad deal from

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the government, this time on cuts to nursing numbers? Chris

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Williamson says the region has lost more than twice as many nurses as

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the South of England. You had a go at these figures on

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nursing cuts, why is it that we are worse off here? It is not just

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according to me, it is according to official figures that have

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illustrated that fact. It seems that the Government is protecting

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its Tory heartlands at the expense of places like the East Midlands.

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We cannot argue with the fact that we have lost 550 nurses in this

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region, 2.5% reduction compared to 1.1% in the south of England. I

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think that is unfair when before the election the Prime Minister

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said he would cut the deficit, not the NHS,. We are spending more on

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health service which his party did not want to spend. They wanted to

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reduce the health service budget, but we have committed to keeping it

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and increasing it. What we have got to do is make sure that we do

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