18/11/2012 Sunday Politics East Midlands


18/11/2012

Andrew Neil and Marie Ashby with the latest political news, interviews and debate including conservative party chairman Grant Shapps and shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper.


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In the East Midlands: Want to know what your new police

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commissioner looks like? We'll hear from all of them.

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And is the Corby by-election Middle England rejecting the

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2387 seconds

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Two Labour, one Conservative and an independent. No, it's not the worst

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Christmas party ever. It's the line up of police and crime

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commissioners in the East Midlands. We'll be hearing from all four of

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them, and from you. He cannot know about it unless you do so for about

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it. -- you cannot know about it. All that and Corby too. In the

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studio are two brand-new, fresh- faced Police and Crime

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Commissioners. Paddy Tipping won Nottinghamshire for Labour and Alan

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Charles, also from Labour, is the commissioner for Derbyshire. And no

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less fresh-faced, we also have Mark Spencer, the Conservative MP for

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Sherwood. So, what's the difference between our studio and a polling

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booth? Well, there are more people here than turned up at one voting

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centre in the East Midlands this week that's for sure. So let's take

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a look at those figures. The highest voting was in

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Nottinghamshire, with a turnout of just over 16%. Next it was

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Leicestershire where there was also a 16% turnout. In Lincolnshire it

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was 15%. And in Derbyshire only 14% of the electorate cast their votes.

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The best performer in the region was Rushcliffe with a dizzying

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turnout of 22%. Poorest was Bolsover where only 11% of the

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electorate voted. Paddy, this will haunt you for your entire term in

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office, won't it? How can you say you have a mandate for anything you

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do? I have got more votes than any other politician in the East

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Midlands. It is a poor turnout, there is no point denying that. The

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responsibility upon us all is to demonstrate that this post can work.

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The Derbyshire figures were even worse, 11% in Bolsover. Only two

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people turned out at one polling booth at Kedleston. That is a shame

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that that happened. But quite clearly, the government were told

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that they must give candidates the ability to give a mailshot. I spoke

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to hundreds of people on the phone last week and everyone said they

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didn't know what the election was about all he was standing. Isn't it

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also that people didn't want I take a point on board. I would rather

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have seen that money spent on policing on the streets. This is an

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embarrassment, isn't it? Does the tax payer want to pay for those

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leaflets? We should take feedback about whether they want to get a

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mailshot. It is now down to these guys to do the job and inspire the

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next round of voting. If they do a good job, maybe they will be

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inspired. If they do a bad job, they will probably inspired an even

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more! We had heard of and out there has been a shooting in Nottingham.

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This is the sort of thing that will land on your desk on a weekly basis.

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What do you do now? I have been speaking to the police and you'll

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be pleased to note an arrest has been taking place. We will have to

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wait and see how the investigation goes, going forward. Let's be clear,

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Nottingham has a good place to live. The amount of shootings has gone

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down. We have to keep on top of that because the image of our city

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depends upon it. It shows that the commissioner, the Chief Constable

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have to work closely together and that is what is going to happen.

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What are you going to do about gun crime? We have to use intelligence,

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target serious gangs which is happening at the moment. We have

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got to reassure the public but actually, Nottingham is a safe

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place to live. The fear of crime sometimes is more disabling than

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the actual crime itself. Next here for another of our new

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commissioners. -- let's hear from another of our commissioners. OK,

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let's hear from another of our new PCCs. The former fighter pilot and

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ex-Air Chief Marshall in the RAF, Sir Clive Loader, won

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Leicestershire and Rutland for the Conservatives. He's jetted off on a

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break before taking up his post. Our reporter caught up with him at

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the count and asked how his previous experience will help in

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his new role. The IRA leader, a high of knowledge of running

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complex budgets, particularly making difficult decisions. That is

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the background that I bring. Also, I would say I have something else,

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which is building teams. I have built, sometimes lead, teams in

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very difficult circumstances and we have 18 to build here. Myself and

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the Chief Constable, our relationship will be critical to

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how wealthy initiative works here. I know that we will work well

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together. You have had a few run- ins in with Sir Peter Salsbury.

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do you see your relationship panning out with him in the future?

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We will work together. I have a job to do witches to help the Chief

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Constable to give targets and so on to the police force. A crime is a

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crime were ever it is committed. I have made it very clear, while at

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the on hustings and elsewhere, and there has to be a balance between

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things that happen in the City, it could be anti-social behaviour,

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burglaries and so on, and things that happen in this country side,

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whether it is theft of rural farm machinery or whatever. Getting that

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balance right and making sure that people feel that the police are

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looking after them, are responding to things properly, one day become

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the victims of crime. We heard Sir Clive talking about representing

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all of Leicestershire and Rutland, the rural areas and the urban ones

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and Alan, that's going to be a challenge for you isn't?

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Derbyshire is a one a full county and extremely diverse. As others

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have done, once the election is over, you represent everybody.

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are your priorities? To maintain it community policing. So long as

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there are no other budget cuts handed down in December, I will

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maintain those levels. I am going to stick up for the police who are

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facing major cuts. Actually, I will argue for more resources. It is

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important and I will use those resources to strengthen

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neighbourhood police teams and secondly to take on anti-social

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behaviour. That's a big priority for me. You have said that most

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crime happens in Labour areas. will concentrate on whether crime

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is. 70 % of the crime is in urban parts of Nottingham. It is

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important to represent everybody and Ferrar real anxieties in rural

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areas. Mark, are you worried about that? World rural areas lose out?

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am more than happy to work with these gentlemen to make sure we get

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good funding from the Government. Maybe they cannot commit to not

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increasing council tax. By her up there will be no cuts coming in

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December. -- I hope. It is vital those families under pressure will

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those families under pressure will those families under pressure will

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those families under pressure will those families under pressure will

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not see their council tax bill go I've already had a meeting this

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morning. It is important to get best value for money. There are

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ways of getting savings and putting resources to the frontline. Ray are

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on the case. We are going to do it. People want to feel safe in their

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homes and streets. We have to get on with it. I started meetings this

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yesterday morning. This work is under way. We have to demonstrate

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that police commissioners can make a difference if we work together to

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make a change. Everything depends on a settlement that will be out in

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December. Cuts will be inevitable but we need to be clear that we

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need to protect frontline services. So a lot of promises about policing,

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but what do people really want from their police commissioners? The

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voters may have stayed away from the ballot boxes, but one place

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where you're guaranteed to find a crowd on a Sunday morning is at the

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car boot sale at Nottingham Racecourse. So our political editor

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has been there this morning to gauge opinion.

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�14 and voters the cost to every voter who took part in elections.

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�14 would certainly go a long way here today. We are at their car

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boot sale at this racecourse. We will find out whether these people

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voted or not and if they didn't, why not? And if they did, what they

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expect from the commissioners. Let's find out from Sandra.

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didn't know who I was voting for. I expect from these commissioners to

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know who they are and what they are going to do for us. Why did you

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vote on Thursday? I've always had good relationships with the police

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because we often do work with them. They help us out. It is important

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to me. I would like to see a less paperwork done and more men on the

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beat. Less bureaucracy. Did you take part? I have a disabled

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daughter and I wasn't prepared to give my free time up to go and vote.

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I didn't vote. I didn't have any information. That needs to change,

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definitely. If we go over here, we will find somebody who did vote.

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And a, you did vote. Why did you vote? I was given the opportunity

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to vote. You cannot moan about it unless you do something about it. I

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didn't feel there was enough information given regarding the

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candidates. You are given an opportunity so you must use it.

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Thank you very much. Things are moving on very quickly. These

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commissioners will take their office as early as Tuesday. On

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Friday, the commission's take office itself.

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Could this mean a rise in council tax? We don't know until we get the

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settlement from the government. If we get a good settlement... If we

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get a good settlement, and I hope Mark will be good on his word and

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will fight for that, we will be able to adjust the council precept

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from their. The government have offered a 1% freeze grant to us

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this year but that is not straightforward drive a. We you

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work together on this? The East Midlands has been underfunded for

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many years. We need to work together on this. The first answer

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is not to put up tax but to look for efficiencies. Let's get coppers

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out from behind desks and on to the streets. Paddy, you have promised

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to cut paperwork. What will you cut? It is important that people

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get out on the streets. It's important police officers get out

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on the streets. Many of them have hand held computers are, new

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technology. We need to get people out of the police stations and onto

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the streets. We need to be efficient and effective. Most

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people want to see more bobbies on the beat but the government is

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saying we cannot afford this with twenties % cuts. -- 20 % cut.

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have to make sure that the police work for us. They are

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democratically accountable representatives and they need to be

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steered the police. If you are complaining about anti-social

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behaviour or you want to complain about anything in your community,

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get in contact with these new commissioners and make sure they

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know what your priorities are. are all going to be asking for more

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money. Where will it come from? Nottinghamshire police have lost

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300 officers. The Inspectorate of police say police can take 12 % cut

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but not 20 % cuts without affecting frontline policing. We need to work

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with Marchand others to get a fair settlement for course -- for all

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the East Midlands police forces. Briefly. The Government needs to

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get more money in the system and get people out into work.

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We've heard from three of the commissioners in the East Midlands,

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let's hear now from the fourth. Because in Lincolnshire the

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Independent candidate, Alan Hardwick, who's a former TV

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presenter on Calendar, was elected. He's certainly well known on the

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streets of Lincolnshire and there was no shortage of well-wishers

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when our reporter caught up with him. My dream, my ambition is that

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the police -- the people of Lincolnshire get the police and

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they want. I am going to arrange meetings and surgeries all over the

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counter because only by finding out from the people of Lincolnshire

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what they want, getting grassroots opinion, can retarget the resources

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that we have effectively. To what if the public. Expense of things? -

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- what if the pub we want expensive things? A special role Grant was

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taken away from us. My message to the Government is you've taken away

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money. The problems are still here. That doesn't make sense, does it?

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We would like our money back, please. You only have 10 weeks to

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plan your budget? Will that be enough? I want a depth of

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consultation with the people of Lincolnshire. Her Majesty's

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Inspectorate of Constabulary have raised concerns that they won't be

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able to deal with much more in terms of cuts. I believe that is

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scaremongering in the extreme. me put it this way, the cuts are

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front-end loaded so we've got over the worst of them. I am hoping that

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an approach of asking the government, demanding from the

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Government that we have at least our �1.8 million a year bank, which

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is the equivalent of 42 officers, coupled with economies that I am

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sure we can beat -- I am sure we can make, without losing jobs,

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without threatening jobs, unsure that what H M RIAC says may ring

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true with them at the moment. But we will prove them wrong. -- HMRC.

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And didn't Lincoln look beautiful in that autumn sunshine?

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Well, if the PCC elections weren't exciting enough we've had a by-

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election too. Corby is on the edge of the East Midlands but the

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results there have big implications for our region. There was a

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relatively healthy turnout of 45% for the by-election. The result saw

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a swing of almost 13% from Conservative to Labour. UKIP polled

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more than 5,000 votes, leaving the Liberal Democrats in fourth place.

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The new MP, Andy Sawford said it was an historic result. Today,

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Middle England have sent a strong message to David Cameron. It's the

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first parliamentary by-election in 15 years where Labour has won back

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a Tory-held seat. Mark Spencer, a seat that swings between Labour and

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Conservative goes back to Labour? Ring any alarm bells? Could be

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Sherwood! People are feeling the pressure. At the general election,

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there will be a different result. Paddy, you were the Labour MP for

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Mark's seat in the last government. But in reality you haven't done as

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well as you expected. If Middle England is turning against the

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Tories it's not turning to you is it? This was a 13 % swing. Let's be

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clear. County council by-election last

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month and a 19 % swing to Labour. People want the economy to grow and

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that is what will decide the next general election. It is not just

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Corby, is it? It is the PCC elections as well. There have been

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predictions of 20 Labour PCC's. People are not exactly warning to

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Labour, are they? I think our prediction was 819. We have done

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significantly better than that which is great. What people have

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said in Corby is where David Cameron is saying we are all in

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this together, clearly we are not. Where tax breaks are being handed

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out in millionaires and big companies, who won not paying their

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share, we have had enough. They want to move back to Labour. I

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suppose one of the bigger worries for you, with a call the result,

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might be the size of the United Kingdom Independence Party vote. I

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think the general election is two years away so let's not get excited

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about them. What really matters is actually jobs and the economy. We

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as a government need to make sure we get the economy moving. That

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process is starting to happen. With created 1 million jobs in the

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private sector. We've cut the deficit and by the time we get to

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the next general election, plan a will have been proved to be right.

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He cannot ignore this United Kingdom Independence Party result,

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can you? The Tory cry that a vote for them is a wasted vote may be

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wearing a bit thin now. Ignore it at your peril, I think is the one.

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I am not ignoring it. Europe is a big issue. If we look at what has

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happened in the courts and the fact we cannot get rid of some of our

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criminals frustrate people enormously. As a government, we got

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to address that and get to grips with that. There are two-and-a-half

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years ago. We are halfway through this journey and I think we are

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making some progress. People will recognise that the progress we've

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made is good. Time for our regular round up of the other political

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stories in the East Midlands in our Ambulance workers have been

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protesting. A public consultation over restructuring plans for East

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Midlands ambulance service which includes closing 12 out of 13

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stations in Nottinghamshire has so far only resulted in so... Rutland

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County Council has approved a new guidelines on wind turbines. The

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planning document limits the number of turbine is that can be built

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close together. Sir Peter Salsbury has warned

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appalling choices will have to be made when it comes to Leicester

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City Council has future budgets. The mayor accused the Government.

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The Peak District National Park Authority is asking people to stop

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planting ashtrays to prevent the spread of a disease.

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It also wants people to contact them if they've planted ashtrays in

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the last six years. No cases of the have been found in the park. -- ash

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What about Nadine Dorries in the jungle? I haven't been voting for

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