10/02/2013 Sunday Politics East Midlands


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In the East Midlands, high-speed to, we will be hearing from the MP who


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faces and the prospect of the line In the East Midlands. Take your


seat for the HS2 debate - are you for it, or against it? The only


people but on going to use the HS2 of business people. The ordinary


man will not be using it. If it brings jobs and income and


increases the value of properties hit is well worth it. And benefits


changes - a disaster waiting to happen, or could they work? We hear


from Melton Mowbray, where local people have been piloting the


changes. Everything now is looking more positive. Hello, I'm Marie


Ashby. Joining me this week the Conservative MP for North West


Leicestershire, Andrew Bridgen, and the Labour Nottingham South MP,


Lilian Greenwood. First, bigging up the East Midlands


at what we do best. Mark Spencer, the Conservative Sherwood MP, has


called a debate next week to highlight the strengths of our


region's manufacturing economy. He wants to make sure we're the first


people anyone thinks of when it comes to investment. He is not just


talking about that big boys like Bombarider and Rolls Royce, he is


saying we have to shed for the region. And he is right, isn't he?


Yes, we are good be talking about the great success in the East


Midlands of manufacturing. We have no people employed in manufacturing


than any region in the UK. It is our bigger percentage of GDP. We


are growing markets and it is a great story. I have some fantastic


small and medium-sized companies in manufacturing in my constituency.


Norton are looking to double their production. They have a �25 million


order book and 90 % of the product goes abroad. The see it as good


news. Lilian, Will you be supporting Mark Spencer? Certainly


it is good to highlight the good work going on in the East Midlands.


But we are not getting support from government funding that we used to,


since we lost our regional development agency. We have done


quite poorly on that. I'm not going to take lessons from Lillian about


manufacturing. But she's right to say we have had to drop in money


here. Norton, to facilitate their doubling of production, have had a


government guarantee on the low to provide those facilities. Cutting


corporation tax, increasing capital allowances tenfold in the Budget,


that will make the huge difference to manufacturing. If we do not act


now, we could lose these manufacturing skills that have been


going on for decades. I was not seeking to make a party political


point, I was trying to say that as a result of the loss of the


regional development agency be are not getting the growth in money


into the region compared to other regions. I think we should be


working together to try to make sure that East Midlands gets its


fair share. He took a lot about Norton but they do not employ a lot


of people. But 83 % of the components that go to make an 0 a


motorcycle on made in the UK. There are always a lot of jobs behind the


frontline jobs. Lilian, are you going to the debate? Certainly, if


I'm not already committed to other things I will certainly be going


along to listen and make a contribution. One of the things we


most need is to get growth and jobs into the wider economy. One of the


things holding manufacturing back is a lack of demand in the UK which


is why the government should be doing more to stimulate growth.


may be 20 years away, but there's no keeping High Speed 2 out of the


news. It's of particular interest to our two guests today. Lilian is


shadow rail minister and Andrew, well, he's worried the line's going


to go right through his garden! We'll get their views in a minute,


but first, the Transport Secretary and Derbyshire Dales MP, Patrick


McLoughlin, has been speaking to our olitical editor, John Hess,


about how he made the decision about where the trains should run -


and where the stations should be too. I realise that part of the


route will be very unpopular. You cannot build a major infrastructure


in this country without causing some problems, without some people


being against the plan. What we have to look Toop as the government


is what is in the long-term interest of the United Kingdom.


This is the first railway line to be built north of Birmingham in 120


years. Nick Rushton says that for Leicestershire they get all the


pain and none of the game. If you look at when East Midlands Airport


is, for instance, it was built by Derbyshire, Leicestershire and


Nottinghamshire and Leicestershire certainly from utter got some of


the game. I believe that the station that we are talking about


at Toton will be great. One of the most important things about High


Speed Two, it is not mainly about speed, it is about providing


capacity on the rail network. We are desperately short of capacity


and Leicestershire will get extra capacity. How will Leicestershire


get extra capacity? Because it will free up track space on the lines of


the Midland Main Line which we are going to be electrifying and that


is how you build capacity into the whole network. Andrew, you heard


what he had to say, it is for the cut off the whole country. It is


not for the good of North West Leicester. Even if the much


disputed economic benefits of HS2 to the whole country to come at


some point in the future, the fact is that the polite, the fear and


the planning paralysis actually happen the moment the plans were


announced. Already, the housing market is collapsing in this way


across the line of HS2, which went straight through the middle of my


constituency. Through your garden? Doesn't it to go into my land, but


next door. A lot of people say if you do not make a big fuss about he


could lose a lot of fate. There's nothing in it for my constituents.


The economic argument is completely flawed. In 20 years' time, when


this but it may or may not come to fruition, I think video-


conferencing, to roll out of super- fast Broadbent, people will not


trouble for business, it will be done over the internet. People will


still travel for pleasure, and that means spending money. If you think


people in London on going to say let's go to Birmingham more people


are Byrne sake let's go to London, I think it will draw more money to


London. I found myself in agreement with most things that Patrick


McLoughlin said. HS2 was a Labour idea where club that the government


are pushing ahead. This is about increasing the capacity of our rail


network. More and more people want to travel by rail and yet some of


them find the roots are - from the overcrowded. This will help us to


provide the step-change, to seek Nottingham and the East Midlands or


somewhere that they can invest because they can get their easily


from London, Birmingham and Leeds. I have spoken to thousands and


thousands of business people in my career has, and one thing I can


guarantee is that no-one has ever said to me is that my business is


not thriving because it cannot get to London fast enough. Businesses


in Nottingham and Derbyshire are saying they are in favour of HS2,


they won this development to go ahead. There was the view of the


chambers of commerce. Some pews from viewers. These say, there is a


tunnel under East Midlands Airport, why not build the station there?


That would be some consolation to my constituency do not have a


station at all in North West Leicestershire. White is cities


will have the pleasure of driving half an hour north to get to London


half an hour earlier. I think there is a possibility of introducing


extra stations into what the government have produced as the


preferred route. The reason it is in Toton is because it is close to


Nottingham which is the major market for use of HS2. Andrew's


certainly made no secret of his opposition, but what about his


constituents - do they feel the same? And are people in Lilian's


Nottingham South excited by the prospect? We've sent Des Coleman to


find out. The village of Appleby Magna has


enjoyed the peace and quiet a rural village for 11,000 years, but that


could be shattered by high-speed trains. We have come here to find


out your thoughts. The only people that are going to use the HS2 of


business people. The ordinary man in the street will not be using it.


It is a waste of �32 billion. not think will be worse than having


the M40 to running past our houses. It is very noisy and a do-nothing


the railway will be noisier. If it brings jobs and income and


increases the value of properties here it is well worth it. But I


don't know the extent of the disruption. For the benefits of


that, to me it probably would not be worth it. You will be quicker on


your horse, wouldn't you? Definitely! A from the beauty of


the rural countryside to the hustle and bustle of the city. We are in


the constituency of Lillian to find or what they think. The millions


and millions that is being spent it is never put where it is mostly


needed. I think it will be a good thing. You might get a lot of


people coming from London here and living here. I think they should


invest more money elsewhere. Into the youngsters and get the vote in


get them jobs. I have no objections to it. It is a good idea, I think.


Andrew, not everyone in your constituency was against it. In


Appleby Magna some people put quite supportive. I think the more they


find out about the project, the more they will be against it. There


was a healthy scepticism that it can be brought in on budget. I


think it will be hugely over-budget, two or three times. They might


build the bit from London to Birmingham. I think that part will


be so over budget that a debt the rest will take place. Some of your


constituents say it could be money spent better elsewhere.


everyone was talk about the importance of jobs for them and


their children. This is about investing in the children and the


future of the country. I think Andrew is scaremongering. If we do


not invest now, where does that the first? This route of HS2, going


under the airport and north of the, run straight through a potential


development site earmarked for 2015 for the Strategic Rail Freight into


change. 7000 jobs delivered from 2015 onwards. I have a meeting on


Monday try to sort set the nest of this. Patrick McLoughlin Said We


could have both. If you look at the plans, it goes straight through the


development site. That is a 500 million pound private sector


investment. I gained keep fighting this? Absolutely. We have to keep


making the point that the economic case is very fragile. We have to


look at high speed trains around Europe and look at the impact of


that. There will be a change in perception as they realise this is


a failed project. Are you saying then that development with dollars


jobs will not go ahead? I have a meeting on Monday morning to try to


salvage something. As part of massive change in the


way benefits are paid, Universal Credit is being rolled out later


this year. Some benefits will be paid directly to claimants - with


the money coming through monthly, rather than weekly and you'll have


to claim online. So how will it really work out? Well, we can get a


glimpse from two East Midlands councils who have been piloting


different aspects of the scheme. Patcee Francis has been finding out


more. A few weeks ago, Tina Given was out


of work. Now she has a part-time job as a carer and to stay with her


brother, all thanks to her local council, Melton Borough Council,


which is try to link Universal Credit. Horns and a lot of debt, I


was in a really bad place, I did not know where to go or be to ask


for help. As I got deeper into it I thought there was no chance of


getting out of this. With the help of her employment adviser, Tina has


been able to move on. I sat and prioritised my life with the help


of the adviser. She has been there and listen to me and help me move


forward. Her local council here in Melton volunteered to pilot the


scheme and they say what happens in this building is key to the success.


The council moved into brand-new offices two years ago and invited


other agencies to move in with it. It means the open-plan spaces are


shared by social workers, cab advisers and Jobcentre class is


about to move in as well. The pilot is focused on a working age benefit


claimants, of which we have about 1800. As Universal Credit will be a


digital by default service we need to look at how we can support


people to manage their claims. is a similar story in neighbouring


Rushcliffe. It is taking part in the Brent -- the pilot and enduring


people have access to on-line services. They can come to


reception and get self-service access. For those people that can


get access but are perhaps a bit confused we can help them find


their way through. And then there are the people who or perhaps


involved with other agencies, so we are offering an integrated system


where we can actually talk and to introduce them to other agencies as


well. These councils are looking at small parts of what will be a


radical overhaul of benefits. At Melton they have found that around


30 % of people that they deal with need help with online services.


is the biggest change to the welfare system in a generation so


we do not underestimate those challenges. But certainly we are


having some success in terms of how we are working with people at an


individual level. We are cautiously optimistic that the partnership


working will give people the support that they need in a way


that is better than they have had before. Everything now is looking


more positive and coming out of the dark side into the light. Both


councils have found that by working smarter they can target people


effectively, but they also know it is a challenge, especially for


larger councils. Rushcliffe has around 4000 people on housing


benefit. When you cross Trent Bridge to Nottingham that figure


changes to around 40,000 people, and it is a knee when large


authorities like this role that the benefit changes that we will know


the true impact. Andrew, it is one thing trying out


in places like Melton and Rushcliffe, but bring it to the


cities and will be a different story. That is why it is being


tried out in smaller places to start with. It is totemic for us


and Iain Duncan Smith and his department have done a lot of work


on this. I'm really pleased that those administering it are very


optimistic in the pilot. There are going to be glitches but they have


to be ironed out now so that when it moves forward in October it is


as smooth as possible. Lilian does it not make sense to encourage


people to take charge of their own affairs? I do not think anybody


would argue that it is not in our interest to help people move


forward. One worry is do that local authorities are not responsible for


administering a Universal Credit. Colossal people express concern


about the third to to do people who need help with making applications


online and local authorities have not been given any extra


authorities to provide that help. The figures show that some two % of


those on benefits could handle their online themselves, they have


that capacity. The rest can have help through the Jobcentre or the


council. What about those people who cannot? They can go into the


council and be helped. Who in the council is going to do that? We


have had huge cutbacks in Nottingham city? Do not being given


resources to help coach people through using the Universal Credit


online. And there are many people who do not have access to IT at


home. But the Jobcentre to us. It has access. But lots of Jobcentres


have closed. There will be the capacity in the system to do


between the council and the Jobcentre. I think that is wishful


thinking. The idea of Universal Credit is not a bad one and the


principle of bringing all benefits together it is all that Labour that


the support it. Ironically they have taken Council Tax Act and


localised that. But the timetable for introducing Universal Credit


has slipped and there are real concerns about whether it is going


to be ready. What would you do? think they should have slowed it


down and looked at having proper support in place to enable people


who do not have IT skills to perhaps use IT. A lot of my


constituents go into the Jobcentre and feel that they are on a


conveyor belt, they are lucky if they get a couple of minutes with


an adviser. To get some of the people who are long-term unemployed,


they Nick Weal, intensive support over a long period and a lot of


them are not getting it. Are the resources there to help those who


really needed? This is going to be a gradual bowl-out and resources we


made available. I think you have parts of the country but a later on


in the role it will be saying, why have we not got Universal Credit?


The figures from the Government's own impact assessment also showed


that 2.8 million households will end up with less money as a result


of the introduction of Universal Credit, including 1.7 million


families. I think when people start to see the money going down, that


they will be very worried. There is a lot are concerned about this, and


drew. But the poorest a good be on average �168 better off under


Universal Credit. You have a system where work always pays. You'll be


up to take temporary work without losing all your benefits. That is


simply not true. There are good be huge cliff edges. But the moment


there will be people who have to give up work or reduce their hours


in order to make sure they are not hitting a huge cliff edge. There


are lots of questions remaining that need to be answered. The pilot


showed that people are keen on it. Another concern is that there is so


much all at once. It is not just Universal Credit that is changing,


it is all the other ones as well. As long as the system works, and


the parlous a Kodak, people seem perfectly happy with it. People are


not good be happy when for the first time they have paid be


required to pay council tax, people living in the family home who are


suddenly hit by the bedroom tax. People in not in South are


incredibly worried. These are people on the very lowest incomes


and there do not know how they are But the 91st time buyers have been


held on to the property ladder by a Leicester council scheme. But it


will be provided �2 million to banks to encourage them to offer


mortgages to buyers. It has been so successful that the council is


releasing another �2 million. Plans to charge people for prime been


collections in Derby have been criticised by a local government


minister. Eric Pickles says he is disappointed that the council is to


charge �40 a year for the service. People in Rutland are being offered


the chance to claim free solar panels for their homes. Rutland


council has want �200,000 of government funding and is looking


for 50p to take part. Derby is to get an �80 million flood


alleviation scheme along the River Derwent. Around 600 homes and


businesses will be protected although some buildings may be


demolished to make way for the defences.


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