17/02/2013 Sunday Politics East Midlands


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In the East Midlands: Investigations In the East Midlands: Investigations

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In the East Midlands: Investigations In the East Midlands: Investigations

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over high death rates at two of our over high death rates at two of our

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over high death rates at two of our hospital trusts. We ask the junior

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hospital trusts. We ask the junior hospital trusts. We ask the junior

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2131 seconds

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of a high death rates at two of our of a high death rates at two of our

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of a high death rates at two of our hospital trusts. We ask the junior

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hospital trusts. We ask the junior hospital trusts. We ask the junior

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health minister what is going on. health minister what is going on.

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health minister what is going on. health minister what is going on.

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What has Windsor done to upset the What has Windsor done to upset the

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What has Windsor done to upset the later -- Labour leadership of

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Nottingham council? Nottingham council?

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Nottingham council? I Marie Ashby. Joining me, Alice

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I Marie Ashby. Joining me, Alice I Marie Ashby. Joining me, Alice

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soubrette and Labour MP for Derby soubrette and Labour MP for Derby

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North, Chris Williamson. North, Chris Williamson.

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North, Chris Williamson. North, Chris Williamson.

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Let's start with health and the news Let's start with health and the news

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Let's start with health and the news Let's start with health and the news

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that in the wake of the enquiry into that in the wake of the enquiry into

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that in the wake of the enquiry into Stafford Hospital, two of our health

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Stafford Hospital, two of our health Stafford Hospital, two of our health

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trusts are now under investigation trusts are now under investigation

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trusts are now under investigation about high mortality rates. They

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about high mortality rates. They have both welcomed the

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have both welcomed the have both welcomed the

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investigation. It is not the first investigation. It is not the first

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investigation. It is not the first time death rates have been called

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time death rates have been called time death rates have been called

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into question. Last year, the into question. Last year, the

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independent health watchdog Dr independent health watchdog Dr

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Foster said further investigation Foster said further investigation

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Foster said further investigation was needed at King's Mill Hospital.

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was needed at King's Mill Hospital. was needed at King's Mill Hospital.

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14 trusts around the country. They 14 trusts around the country. They

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14 trusts around the country. They are being investigated. Two are in

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are being investigated. Two are in are being investigated. Two are in

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are being investigated. Two are in the East Midlands. What are you, as

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the East Midlands. What are you, as the East Midlands. What are you, as

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a junior health minister, doing a junior health minister, doing

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a junior health minister, doing a junior health minister, doing

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about it? It is what we as a about it? It is what we as a

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about it? It is what we as a Government and the other bodies that

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Government and the other bodies that Government and the other bodies that

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Government and the other bodies that are involved are doing about it.

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are involved are doing about it. are involved are doing about it.

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are involved are doing about it. know on the back of the Francis

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know on the back of the Francis know on the back of the Francis

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report that what happened in mid report that what happened in mid

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Staffordshire was an appalling, Staffordshire was an appalling,

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Staffordshire was an appalling, long-term problem that they had,

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long-term problem that they had, long-term problem that they had,

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spanning from 2006 onwards. We know spanning from 2006 onwards. We know

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spanning from 2006 onwards. We know spanning from 2006 onwards. We know

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there was a complete failing in the there was a complete failing in the

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there was a complete failing in the there was a complete failing in the

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level of care at that hospital. It level of care at that hospital. It

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level of care at that hospital. It was something that should never

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was something that should never was something that should never

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was something that should never happen again and we know that one of

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happen again and we know that one of happen again and we know that one of

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the reasons that happened was the reasons that happened was

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the reasons that happened was because of a relentless pursuit of

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because of a relentless pursuit of because of a relentless pursuit of

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because of a relentless pursuit of targets. What we have done is said,

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targets. What we have done is said, targets. What we have done is said,

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targets. What we have done is said, let's now look at all the mortality

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let's now look at all the mortality let's now look at all the mortality

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let's now look at all the mortality rates of all the hospitals. If we

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rates of all the hospitals. If we rates of all the hospitals. If we

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think there is a need to think there is a need to

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think there is a need to investigate, let's do that. King's

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investigate, let's do that. King's investigate, let's do that. King's

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Mill Hospital welcomes it. The Mill Hospital welcomes it. The

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Mill Hospital welcomes it. The conclusion at Stafford is that

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conclusion at Stafford is that conclusion at Stafford is that

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people were dying who could easily people were dying who could easily

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people were dying who could easily people were dying who could easily

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have been saved. Is this is what -- have been saved. Is this is what --

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have been saved. Is this is what -- have been saved. Is this is what --

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is thus what is happening at these is thus what is happening at these

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is thus what is happening at these is thus what is happening at these

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trusts? We have to put this into trusts? We have to put this into

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trusts? We have to put this into proportion. We have two hospital

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proportion. We have two hospital proportion. We have two hospital

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proportion. We have two hospital trusts that wants to do the best and

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trusts that wants to do the best and trusts that wants to do the best and

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I want to believe that mid I want to believe that mid

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I want to believe that mid Staffordshire was a 1-off and that

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Staffordshire was a 1-off and that Staffordshire was a 1-off and that

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Staffordshire was a 1-off and that is what we will all hope and pray

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is what we will all hope and pray is what we will all hope and pray

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for. It was an appalling situation for. It was an appalling situation

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for. It was an appalling situation for. It was an appalling situation

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that went on for years. One of the that went on for years. One of the

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that went on for years. One of the that went on for years. One of the

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things that has come out from this things that has come out from this

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things that has come out from this things that has come out from this

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report is that when people do have report is that when people do have

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report is that when people do have concerns, they have to be listened

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concerns, they have to be listened concerns, they have to be listened

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to. My constituents often write to to. My constituents often write to

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to. My constituents often write to to. My constituents often write to

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to. My constituents often write to me and I and other MPs took up the

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me and I and other MPs took up the concerns about the ambulance

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concerns about the ambulance concerns about the ambulance

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service... Will scrutiny make any service... Will scrutiny make any

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service... Will scrutiny make any service... Will scrutiny make any

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difference? Do you think it well? I difference? Do you think it well? I

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difference? Do you think it well? I difference? Do you think it well? I

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hope it well and I think Anna is hope it well and I think Anna is

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hope it well and I think Anna is being simplistic when she says it

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being simplistic when she says it being simplistic when she says it

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was a relentless pursuit of targets. was a relentless pursuit of targets.

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was a relentless pursuit of targets. was a relentless pursuit of targets.

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Very simplistic to put the blame on Very simplistic to put the blame on

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setting targets. Targets are setting targets. Targets are

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setting targets. Targets are important. It is important we ensure

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important. It is important we ensure important. It is important we ensure

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that people get the treatment they that people get the treatment they

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that people get the treatment they need within a certain time. Before

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need within a certain time. Before need within a certain time. Before

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need within a certain time. Before Labour came to power in 1997, people

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Labour came to power in 1997, people Labour came to power in 1997, people

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were waiting for sometimes two years were waiting for sometimes two years

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were waiting for sometimes two years on the waiting list and sometimes

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on the waiting list and sometimes on the waiting list and sometimes

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they were dying before they got they were dying before they got

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treatment. These things also treatment. These things also

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treatment. These things also happened under Labour. You brought

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happened under Labour. You brought happened under Labour. You brought

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the issue of targets in. Francis the issue of targets in. Francis

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the issue of targets in. Francis the issue of targets in. Francis

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said there were a number of very said there were a number of very

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said there were a number of very important factors. One was the

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important factors. One was the important factors. One was the

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relentless pursuit of targets and relentless pursuit of targets and

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relentless pursuit of targets and another was the need to make

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another was the need to make savings, pursuing foundation trust

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savings, pursuing foundation trust savings, pursuing foundation trust

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savings, pursuing foundation trust and not putting patient care at the

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and not putting patient care at the and not putting patient care at the

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front. The important thing is that front. The important thing is that

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front. The important thing is that front. The important thing is that

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we get to the bottom of precisely we get to the bottom of precisely

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we get to the bottom of precisely why these mortality rates are higher

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why these mortality rates are higher why these mortality rates are higher

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in certain hospitals than others. It in certain hospitals than others. It

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in certain hospitals than others. It is essential that full cooperation

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is essential that full cooperation is essential that full cooperation

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is given to that investigation and is given to that investigation and

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is given to that investigation and is given to that investigation and

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that steps are taken by Anna and her that steps are taken by Anna and her

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that steps are taken by Anna and her colleagues to make sure that any

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colleagues to make sure that any colleagues to make sure that any

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lessons needed to be learned I lessons needed to be learned I

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learned and the investment learned and the investment

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required... Sherwood hospital trusts required... Sherwood hospital trusts

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required... Sherwood hospital trusts say they have appointed a dedicated

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say they have appointed a dedicated say they have appointed a dedicated

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doctor to deal with mortality rates doctor to deal with mortality rates

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doctor to deal with mortality rates and are confident nothing has gone

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and are confident nothing has gone and are confident nothing has gone

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fundamentally wrong. That is what fundamentally wrong. That is what

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fundamentally wrong. That is what fundamentally wrong. That is what

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they are telling us and we hope they they are telling us and we hope they

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they are telling us and we hope they are right. King's Mill Hospital has

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are right. King's Mill Hospital has are right. King's Mill Hospital has

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are right. King's Mill Hospital has a number of problems. They are a PFI

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a number of problems. They are a PFI a number of problems. They are a PFI

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hospital. They almost went bust last hospital. They almost went bust last

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hospital. They almost went bust last hospital. They almost went bust last

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year. That is one problem with PFI year. That is one problem with PFI

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year. That is one problem with PFI hospitals. In London, to PFI

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hospitals. In London, to PFI hospitals. In London, to PFI

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hospitals. In London, to PFI hospitals, we have had to bail them

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hospitals, we have had to bail them hospitals, we have had to bail them

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hospitals, we have had to bail them out. Not all of them have gone

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out. Not all of them have gone out. Not all of them have gone

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out. Not all of them have gone badly. Let's move on. What is the

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badly. Let's move on. What is the difference between Nottingham and

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difference between Nottingham and difference between Nottingham and

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difference between Nottingham and Windsor? Quite a lot. They both have

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Windsor? Quite a lot. They both have Windsor? Quite a lot. They both have

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a castle, but assimilate -- a castle, but assimilate --

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a castle, but assimilate -- similarities end there. The council

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similarities end there. The council similarities end there. The council

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say the most important difference is say the most important difference is

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say the most important difference is say the most important difference is

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a matter of �143, which is what it a matter of �143, which is what it

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a matter of �143, which is what it is losing in funding compared with

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is losing in funding compared with is losing in funding compared with

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is losing in funding compared with Windsor. It is running a campaign --

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Windsor. It is running a campaign -- Windsor. It is running a campaign --

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campaign to highlight the issue. campaign to highlight the issue.

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campaign to highlight the issue. campaign to highlight the issue.

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Nobody likes to be a loser, but this Nobody likes to be a loser, but this

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Nobody likes to be a loser, but this poster in Nottingham and on sites

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poster in Nottingham and on sites poster in Nottingham and on sites

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around the city claims its people around the city claims its people

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around the city claims its people around the city claims its people

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are losing out big time. It is a are losing out big time. It is a

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hard-hitting political message from hard-hitting political message from

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Nottingham's leader leadership. The Nottingham's leader leadership. The

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Nottingham's leader leadership. The poster is suggesting that each

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poster is suggesting that each poster is suggesting that each

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citizen in Nottingham is being citizen in Nottingham is being

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citizen in Nottingham is being shortchanged by �143. That is

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shortchanged by �143. That is shortchanged by �143. That is

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compared to the scale of Government compared to the scale of Government

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compared to the scale of Government compared to the scale of Government

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cuts in this city to those in Tory cuts in this city to those in Tory

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cuts in this city to those in Tory controlled Windsor. How come? We

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controlled Windsor. How come? We controlled Windsor. How come? We

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controlled Windsor. How come? We could have picked a number of other

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could have picked a number of other could have picked a number of other

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could have picked a number of other authorities, but at the end of the

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authorities, but at the end of the authorities, but at the end of the

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authorities, but at the end of the day it was about trying to pick

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day it was about trying to pick another authority responsible for

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another authority responsible for another authority responsible for

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all services. Is that criticism all services. Is that criticism

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all services. Is that criticism all services. Is that criticism

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fair? I've come to Windsor, or at fair? I've come to Windsor, or at

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fair? I've come to Windsor, or at the Royal Borough of Windsor and

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the Royal Borough of Windsor and the Royal Borough of Windsor and

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Maidenhead -- Windsor and Maidenhead Maidenhead -- Windsor and Maidenhead

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Maidenhead -- Windsor and Maidenhead Maidenhead -- Windsor and Maidenhead

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to find out. Its leaders carries a to find out. Its leaders carries a

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to find out. Its leaders carries a plan. His politics were shaped by

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plan. His politics were shaped by his Leicestershire upbringing.

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his Leicestershire upbringing. his Leicestershire upbringing.

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Together with his finance -- finance Together with his finance -- finance

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Together with his finance -- finance chief, they have transferred their

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chief, they have transferred their chief, they have transferred their

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-- transformed their Royal Borough -- transformed their Royal Borough

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-- transformed their Royal Borough -- transformed their Royal Borough

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into a Tory council. We are looking into a Tory council. We are looking

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into a Tory council. We are looking into a Tory council. We are looking

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to add a new library facility onto to add a new library facility onto

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to add a new library facility onto the other side. They took control

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the other side. They took control the other side. They took control

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from Liberal Democrats in 2007. from Liberal Democrats in 2007.

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from Liberal Democrats in 2007. from Liberal Democrats in 2007.

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Their bigger plan is to show that Their bigger plan is to show that

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Their bigger plan is to show that services can be improved while

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services can be improved while services can be improved while

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services can be improved while council tax is cut. How did they

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council tax is cut. How did they react to Nottingham's poster

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react to Nottingham's poster politics? Nottingham is complaining

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politics? Nottingham is complaining politics? Nottingham is complaining

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politics? Nottingham is complaining about losing money. You look at it

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about losing money. You look at it around a premiership footballer,

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around a premiership footballer, around a premiership footballer,

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around a premiership footballer, saying he is losing more money than

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saying he is losing more money than saying he is losing more money than

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a first division footballer. They a first division footballer. They

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a first division footballer. They are not comparing like with like.

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are not comparing like with like. are not comparing like with like.

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Compared to Nottingham, our council Compared to Nottingham, our council

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Compared to Nottingham, our council Compared to Nottingham, our council

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tax is 256 -- �250 cheaper. That is tax is 256 -- �250 cheaper. That is

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tax is 256 -- �250 cheaper. That is tax is 256 -- �250 cheaper. That is

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a lot of money for residents. There a lot of money for residents. There

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a lot of money for residents. There a lot of money for residents. There

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appears to be a lot of money around. appears to be a lot of money around.

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appears to be a lot of money around. The borough, 21 miles west of

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The borough, 21 miles west of The borough, 21 miles west of

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London, has half the population of London, has half the population of

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London, has half the population of Nottingham. It has the sense of

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Nottingham. It has the sense of Nottingham. It has the sense of

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affluence, but also much bigger affluence, but also much bigger

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affluence, but also much bigger housing costs. We are not the

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housing costs. We are not the housing costs. We are not the

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housing costs. We are not the poorest borough in the land, but we

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poorest borough in the land, but we poorest borough in the land, but we

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do have pockets of deprivation and do have pockets of deprivation and

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do have pockets of deprivation and services to provide. We have very

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services to provide. We have very little money from central

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little money from central little money from central

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Government. Take council tax, it is Government. Take council tax, it is

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Government. Take council tax, it is Government. Take council tax, it is

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going up again in Nottingham, but in going up again in Nottingham, but in

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going up again in Nottingham, but in going up again in Nottingham, but in

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going up again in Nottingham, but in Windsor there is to be a 3% cut from

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Windsor there is to be a 3% cut from Windsor there is to be a 3% cut from

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April. There has been a year-on-year April. There has been a year-on-year

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April. There has been a year-on-year reduction. Since 2010, council tax

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reduction. Since 2010, council tax reduction. Since 2010, council tax

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reduction. Since 2010, council tax is now 11.6% is less and that means,

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is now 11.6% is less and that means, is now 11.6% is less and that means,

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is now 11.6% is less and that means, for an average band D house, an

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for an average band D house, an for an average band D house, an

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annual savings of almost �91. We annual savings of almost �91. We

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annual savings of almost �91. We don't carry overheads like trade

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don't carry overheads like trade union officials, like Nottingham,

:44:37.:44:41.

union officials, like Nottingham, union officials, like Nottingham,

:44:41.:44:43.

with those posters, have 27 full with those posters, have 27 full

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with those posters, have 27 full timers. We invest in frontline

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timers. We invest in frontline timers. We invest in frontline

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timers. We invest in frontline services, but there is a myriad of

:44:45.:44:46.

services, but there is a myriad of services, but there is a myriad of

:44:46.:44:47.

things we have done locally to things we have done locally to

:44:47.:44:50.

things we have done locally to reduce council tax. We no longer

:44:50.:44:51.

reduce council tax. We no longer reduce council tax. We no longer

:44:51.:44:55.

have a chief executive. In have a chief executive. In

:44:55.:44:55.

Nottingham, including pension Nottingham, including pension

:44:55.:44:59.

Nottingham, including pension benefits, that is about �220,000.

:44:59.:45:00.

benefits, that is about �220,000. benefits, that is about �220,000.

:45:00.:45:02.

Could some of that thinking flow Could some of that thinking flow

:45:02.:45:03.

Could some of that thinking flow Could some of that thinking flow

:45:03.:45:04.

easily from the Thames to the River easily from the Thames to the River

:45:04.:45:08.

easily from the Thames to the River Trent? We have made something like

:45:08.:45:10.

Trent? We have made something like Trent? We have made something like

:45:10.:45:11.

120 million pounds of savings over 120 million pounds of savings over

:45:11.:45:12.

120 million pounds of savings over 120 million pounds of savings over

:45:12.:45:12.

the last three or four years. the last three or four years.

:45:12.:45:16.

the last three or four years. has been about efficiency and when

:45:16.:45:16.

has been about efficiency and when has been about efficiency and when

:45:16.:45:17.

has been about efficiency and when you look at the list of suggested

:45:17.:45:18.

you look at the list of suggested you look at the list of suggested

:45:18.:45:18.

ways of running local Government ways of running local Government

:45:18.:45:19.

ways of running local Government efficiently, we were doing pretty

:45:19.:45:22.

efficiently, we were doing pretty efficiently, we were doing pretty

:45:22.:45:23.

efficiently, we were doing pretty well. They don't go in for poster

:45:23.:45:25.

well. They don't go in for poster well. They don't go in for poster

:45:25.:45:26.

politics in Windsor. In Nottingham, politics in Windsor. In Nottingham,

:45:26.:45:28.

politics in Windsor. In Nottingham, this poster is being replaced by

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this poster is being replaced by this poster is being replaced by

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another. Labour's next target is the another. Labour's next target is the

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another. Labour's next target is the benefits changes. This campaign has

:45:35.:45:36.

benefits changes. This campaign has cost Nottingham taxpayers �3000.

:45:36.:45:37.

cost Nottingham taxpayers �3000. cost Nottingham taxpayers �3000.

:45:37.:45:38.

This council is complaining it does This council is complaining it does

:45:38.:45:39.

This council is complaining it does This council is complaining it does

:45:39.:45:40.

not have enough money, but it has not have enough money, but it has

:45:40.:45:42.

not have enough money, but it has enough to spend on this campaign.

:45:42.:45:44.

enough to spend on this campaign. enough to spend on this campaign.

:45:44.:45:44.

The Government is being grotesquely The Government is being grotesquely

:45:44.:45:47.

unfair to authorities like unfair to authorities like

:45:47.:45:48.

Nottingham and many authorities Nottingham and many authorities

:45:48.:45:50.

Nottingham and many authorities throughout the Midlands and the

:45:50.:45:51.

throughout the Midlands and the throughout the Midlands and the

:45:51.:45:53.

North and authorities in the South, North and authorities in the South,

:45:53.:45:54.

North and authorities in the South, they have the greatest levels of

:45:54.:45:55.

they have the greatest levels of they have the greatest levels of

:45:55.:45:57.

need and deprivation. It is very need and deprivation. It is very

:45:57.:46:00.

need and deprivation. It is very clear that we are saying

:46:00.:46:01.

clear that we are saying politicisation of the distribution

:46:01.:46:02.

politicisation of the distribution politicisation of the distribution

:46:02.:46:04.

of funding by central Government. It of funding by central Government. It

:46:04.:46:06.

of funding by central Government. It seems those areas which are

:46:06.:46:07.

seems those areas which are dominantly Conservative control have

:46:07.:46:08.

dominantly Conservative control have dominantly Conservative control have

:46:09.:46:11.

dominantly Conservative control have been given a far better deal than

:46:11.:46:13.

been given a far better deal than been given a far better deal than

:46:13.:46:14.

places like Nottingham. When you places like Nottingham. When you

:46:14.:46:14.

places like Nottingham. When you places like Nottingham. When you

:46:15.:46:15.

look at Nottingham and compare it to look at Nottingham and compare it to

:46:15.:46:16.

look at Nottingham and compare it to Windsor, the degree of unemployment,

:46:16.:46:19.

Windsor, the degree of unemployment, deprivation, child protection issues

:46:19.:46:21.

deprivation, child protection issues deprivation, child protection issues

:46:21.:46:21.

deprivation, child protection issues and a range of other very difficult

:46:21.:46:24.

and a range of other very difficult and a range of other very difficult

:46:24.:46:24.

problems that Nottingham has... You problems that Nottingham has... You

:46:24.:46:25.

problems that Nottingham has... You problems that Nottingham has... You

:46:25.:46:29.

say it is not a fair comparison? say it is not a fair comparison?

:46:29.:46:31.

say it is not a fair comparison? say it is not a fair comparison?

:46:31.:46:31.

point they are making is the needs point they are making is the needs

:46:31.:46:33.

of Nottingham are considerably of Nottingham are considerably

:46:33.:46:36.

of Nottingham are considerably greater than they are in Windsor.

:46:36.:46:37.

greater than they are in Windsor. greater than they are in Windsor.

:46:37.:46:41.

Nottingham is getting a far bigger Nottingham is getting a far bigger

:46:41.:46:42.

Nottingham is getting a far bigger funding reduction than Windsor and

:46:42.:46:44.

funding reduction than Windsor and funding reduction than Windsor and

:46:44.:46:45.

Maidenhead. It isn't. What's your Maidenhead. It isn't. What's your

:46:45.:46:46.

Maidenhead. It isn't. What's your Maidenhead. It isn't. What's your

:46:46.:46:47.

film and Chris have not said is that film and Chris have not said is that

:46:47.:46:48.

film and Chris have not said is that Nottingham, next year per dwelling

:46:48.:46:50.

Nottingham, next year per dwelling Nottingham, next year per dwelling

:46:50.:46:51.

from the Government, will receive from the Government, will receive

:46:51.:46:53.

from the Government, will receive 2200 and something pounds.

:46:53.:46:56.

2200 and something pounds. 2200 and something pounds.

:46:56.:46:59.

Windsor, they will receive �1500. Windsor, they will receive �1500.

:46:59.:47:00.

Windsor, they will receive �1500. The reduction in Windsor is

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The reduction in Windsor is The reduction in Windsor is

:47:03.:47:04.

considerably more than the reduction considerably more than the reduction

:47:04.:47:04.

considerably more than the reduction in Nottingham, which is less than

:47:05.:47:07.

in Nottingham, which is less than in Nottingham, which is less than

:47:07.:47:08.

in Nottingham, which is less than 1%. You are seeing these figures are

:47:08.:47:09.

1%. You are seeing these figures are 1%. You are seeing these figures are

:47:09.:47:12.

wrong? I have the right figures wrong? I have the right figures

:47:12.:47:13.

wrong? I have the right figures wrong? I have the right figures

:47:13.:47:14.

here. I don't know where they have here. I don't know where they have

:47:14.:47:15.

here. I don't know where they have here. I don't know where they have

:47:15.:47:16.

got that. They work it out per got that. They work it out per

:47:16.:47:20.

got that. They work it out per person and the Government, under a

:47:20.:47:24.

person and the Government, under a formula established... Nottingham

:47:24.:47:26.

formula established... Nottingham formula established... Nottingham

:47:26.:47:26.

has more services to provide two has more services to provide two

:47:26.:47:29.

has more services to provide two more vulnerable people on benefits.

:47:30.:47:31.

more vulnerable people on benefits. more vulnerable people on benefits.

:47:31.:47:32.

more vulnerable people on benefits. That is why Nottingham is getting so

:47:32.:47:33.

That is why Nottingham is getting so That is why Nottingham is getting so

:47:33.:47:38.

much more money than Windsor per much more money than Windsor per

:47:38.:47:39.

much more money than Windsor per dwelling. You want to know where

:47:39.:47:40.

dwelling. You want to know where dwelling. You want to know where

:47:40.:47:41.

these figures have come from. these figures have come from.

:47:41.:47:42.

these figures have come from. Newcastle City Council have done

:47:42.:47:45.

Newcastle City Council have done Newcastle City Council have done

:47:45.:47:48.

this research. They have been this research. They have been

:47:48.:47:53.

this research. They have been dividing it by... They say it

:47:53.:47:56.

dividing it by... They say it dividing it by... They say it

:47:56.:47:57.

favours the South. It isn't one favours the South. It isn't one

:47:58.:47:58.

favours the South. It isn't one favours the South. It isn't one

:47:58.:48:00.

looking at how we pay out the money, looking at how we pay out the money,

:48:00.:48:01.

looking at how we pay out the money, looking at how we pay out the money,

:48:01.:48:02.

per dwelling. It is not looking at per dwelling. It is not looking at

:48:02.:48:04.

per dwelling. It is not looking at what the Government is doing. The

:48:04.:48:04.

what the Government is doing. The what the Government is doing. The

:48:04.:48:14.

Government is giving each dwelling Government is giving each dwelling

:48:14.:48:15.

Government is giving each dwelling Government is giving each dwelling

:48:15.:48:16.

in Nottingham... Anna is an MP from in Nottingham... Anna is an MP from

:48:16.:48:19.

Nottinghamshire, who seems quite Nottinghamshire, who seems quite

:48:19.:48:21.

Nottinghamshire, who seems quite happy to allow Nottingham citizens

:48:21.:48:22.

happy to allow Nottingham citizens happy to allow Nottingham citizens

:48:22.:48:23.

happy to allow Nottingham citizens to get a less good deal than people

:48:23.:48:25.

to get a less good deal than people to get a less good deal than people

:48:25.:48:26.

to get a less good deal than people in the South. I don't know how you

:48:26.:48:28.

in the South. I don't know how you in the South. I don't know how you

:48:28.:48:31.

in the South. I don't know how you can argue it is a better deal when

:48:31.:48:32.

can argue it is a better deal when can argue it is a better deal when

:48:32.:48:34.

the cuts in places like Nottingham the cuts in places like Nottingham

:48:34.:48:34.

the cuts in places like Nottingham are considerably greater than they

:48:34.:48:35.

are considerably greater than they are considerably greater than they

:48:35.:48:36.

are considerably greater than they are in more affluent parts of the

:48:36.:48:40.

are in more affluent parts of the are in more affluent parts of the

:48:40.:48:41.

country. When George Osborne and country. When George Osborne and

:48:41.:48:41.

country. When George Osborne and country. When George Osborne and

:48:41.:48:42.

David Cameron and Anna says we are David Cameron and Anna says we are

:48:42.:48:43.

David Cameron and Anna says we are David Cameron and Anna says we are

:48:43.:48:45.

all in it together, it is an odd all in it together, it is an odd

:48:45.:48:48.

all in it together, it is an odd definition when the people who are

:48:48.:48:48.

definition when the people who are definition when the people who are

:48:48.:48:51.

bearing the biggest burden are the bearing the biggest burden are the

:48:51.:48:52.

bearing the biggest burden are the poorest people. What do you say

:48:52.:48:54.

poorest people. What do you say poorest people. What do you say

:48:54.:48:57.

about Anna's figures? These are the about Anna's figures? These are the

:48:57.:48:58.

about Anna's figures? These are the proper figures. The Government talk

:48:58.:48:59.

proper figures. The Government talk proper figures. The Government talk

:48:59.:49:02.

about her household because it looks about her household because it looks

:49:02.:49:02.

about her household because it looks better. They have changed the way

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better. They have changed the way better. They have changed the way

:49:03.:49:06.

they calculate it for that purpose. they calculate it for that purpose.

:49:07.:49:10.

they calculate it for that purpose. When you also compare this... Not

:49:10.:49:11.

When you also compare this... Not When you also compare this... Not

:49:11.:49:12.

When you also compare this... Not only are they making these cuts to

:49:12.:49:16.

only are they making these cuts to only are they making these cuts to

:49:16.:49:16.

Nottingham City Council... There are Nottingham City Council... There are

:49:16.:49:20.

Nottingham City Council... There are Nottingham City Council... There are

:49:20.:49:21.

more cuts to come. Let's make one more cuts to come. Let's make one

:49:21.:49:23.

more cuts to come. Let's make one thing clear. For every �8 this

:49:23.:49:24.

thing clear. For every �8 this Government cuts, your Government

:49:24.:49:26.

Government cuts, your Government Government cuts, your Government

:49:26.:49:27.

Government cuts, your Government would have got �7. You will restore

:49:27.:49:28.

would have got �7. You will restore would have got �7. You will restore

:49:28.:49:34.

would have got �7. You will restore all these cuts, will you? You cannot

:49:34.:49:35.

all these cuts, will you? You cannot all these cuts, will you? You cannot

:49:35.:49:36.

all these cuts, will you? You cannot argue with the fact, Anna, that the

:49:36.:49:37.

argue with the fact, Anna, that the argue with the fact, Anna, that the

:49:37.:49:41.

way your Government is divvying up way your Government is divvying up

:49:41.:49:42.

way your Government is divvying up way your Government is divvying up

:49:42.:49:46.

the funding... We have to leave that the funding... We have to leave that

:49:46.:49:47.

the funding... We have to leave that there. Will Labour restore the cuts?

:49:47.:49:52.

there. Will Labour restore the cuts? there. Will Labour restore the cuts?

:49:52.:49:52.

there. Will Labour restore the cuts? Quick answer. We make sure we will

:49:52.:49:53.

Quick answer. We make sure we will Quick answer. We make sure we will

:49:53.:49:54.

distribute the funds on a fair distribute the funds on a fair

:49:54.:49:57.

distribute the funds on a fair basis. We will publish our manifesto

:49:57.:49:58.

basis. We will publish our manifesto basis. We will publish our manifesto

:49:58.:49:59.

when a general election is called. when a general election is called.

:49:59.:50:01.

when a general election is called. when a general election is called.

:50:01.:50:02.

Once upon a time we were famous in Once upon a time we were famous in

:50:02.:50:03.

Once upon a time we were famous in the East Midlands via our

:50:03.:50:04.

the East Midlands via our manufacturing strength, but as

:50:04.:50:05.

manufacturing strength, but as industries like textiles and

:50:05.:50:07.

industries like textiles and industries like textiles and

:50:07.:50:08.

knitwear have moved abroad, it has knitwear have moved abroad, it has

:50:08.:50:09.

knitwear have moved abroad, it has been slowly declining. Are there

:50:09.:50:11.

been slowly declining. Are there been slowly declining. Are there

:50:11.:50:13.

signs of life? Mark Spencer thinks signs of life? Mark Spencer thinks

:50:13.:50:14.

signs of life? Mark Spencer thinks so. He held a Westminster Hall

:50:14.:50:15.

so. He held a Westminster Hall so. He held a Westminster Hall

:50:15.:50:16.

debate on the strength of our debate on the strength of our

:50:16.:50:17.

debate on the strength of our manufacturing sector and what it can

:50:17.:50:20.

manufacturing sector and what it can manufacturing sector and what it can

:50:20.:50:21.

offer future investors. The message offer future investors. The message

:50:21.:50:23.

offer future investors. The message offer future investors. The message

:50:23.:50:24.

of this debate, I hope, will be that of this debate, I hope, will be that

:50:24.:50:25.

of this debate, I hope, will be that of this debate, I hope, will be that

:50:25.:50:25.

within the East Midlands we are very within the East Midlands we are very

:50:25.:50:28.

much open for business. much open for business.

:50:28.:50:29.

much open for business. much open for business.

:50:29.:50:30.

If you are a manufacturer of any If you are a manufacturer of any

:50:30.:50:32.

If you are a manufacturer of any sort and you are looking for

:50:32.:50:33.

sort and you are looking for sort and you are looking for

:50:33.:50:34.

somewhere to relocate, the East somewhere to relocate, the East

:50:34.:50:35.

somewhere to relocate, the East somewhere to relocate, the East

:50:35.:50:36.

Midlands is the ideal place to do Midlands is the ideal place to do

:50:36.:50:37.

Midlands is the ideal place to do Midlands is the ideal place to do

:50:37.:50:39.

that. We would welcome you with open arms.

:50:39.:50:42.

arms. arms.

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Chris, you were there. He spoke Chris, you were there. He spoke

:50:44.:50:45.

Chris, you were there. He spoke passionately. Should we be making

:50:45.:50:49.

passionately. Should we be making more of our manufacturing?

:50:49.:50:50.

more of our manufacturing? Manufacturing is absolutely

:50:50.:50:51.

Manufacturing is absolutely Manufacturing is absolutely

:50:51.:50:52.

essential to British economy. When essential to British economy. When

:50:52.:50:53.

essential to British economy. When David Cameron brought his cabinet to

:50:53.:50:54.

David Cameron brought his cabinet to David Cameron brought his cabinet to

:50:54.:50:56.

David Cameron brought his cabinet to Derby in March 2011, to make that

:50:56.:50:57.

Derby in March 2011, to make that Derby in March 2011, to make that

:50:57.:51:03.

point about rebalancing the economy point about rebalancing the economy

:51:03.:51:06.

point about rebalancing the economy point about rebalancing the economy

:51:06.:51:09.

, the action that has followed has , the action that has followed has

:51:09.:51:10.

, the action that has followed has , the action that has followed has

:51:10.:51:11.

not... We so the decision on the not... We so the decision on the

:51:11.:51:13.

not... We so the decision on the Thames Link programme going to

:51:13.:51:14.

Thames Link programme going to Thames Link programme going to

:51:14.:51:16.

Siemens to build the trains in Siemens to build the trains in

:51:16.:51:18.

Germany. Can manufacturing leaders Germany. Can manufacturing leaders

:51:18.:51:20.

Germany. Can manufacturing leaders Germany. Can manufacturing leaders

:51:20.:51:21.

on the road to recovery? Yes. Mark on the road to recovery? Yes. Mark

:51:21.:51:22.

on the road to recovery? Yes. Mark speaks about the small and medium

:51:22.:51:24.

speaks about the small and medium speaks about the small and medium

:51:24.:51:25.

businesses. What I think is businesses. What I think is

:51:25.:51:26.

businesses. What I think is businesses. What I think is

:51:26.:51:27.

important is the amount of money we important is the amount of money we

:51:27.:51:28.

important is the amount of money we have invested in our infrastructure

:51:28.:51:29.

have invested in our infrastructure have invested in our infrastructure

:51:29.:51:30.

have invested in our infrastructure in the East Midlands. We have the

:51:30.:51:32.

in the East Midlands. We have the electrification of the Midland

:51:32.:51:33.

electrification of the Midland electrification of the Midland

:51:33.:51:36.

mainline, we have the dualling of mainline, we have the dualling of

:51:36.:51:40.

mainline, we have the dualling of the 8453, the tramp in Nottingham.

:51:40.:51:42.

the 8453, the tramp in Nottingham. the 8453, the tramp in Nottingham.

:51:42.:51:44.

the 8453, the tramp in Nottingham. -- A453. And the enterprise zone in

:51:44.:51:48.

-- A453. And the enterprise zone in -- A453. And the enterprise zone in

:51:48.:51:49.

Nottingham. Let's find out what Nottingham. Let's find out what

:51:49.:51:50.

Nottingham. Let's find out what manufacturers want. We have visited

:51:50.:51:52.

manufacturers want. We have visited one forwardthinking company in

:51:52.:51:55.

one forwardthinking company in one forwardthinking company in

:51:55.:51:56.

Market Harborough. Sheridan & Co has Market Harborough. Sheridan & Co has

:51:56.:51:58.

Market Harborough. Sheridan & Co has Market Harborough. Sheridan & Co has

:51:58.:51:58.

offices in new lock -- New York and offices in new lock -- New York and

:51:58.:52:00.

offices in new lock -- New York and Shanghai and believes the heritage

:52:00.:52:00.

Shanghai and believes the heritage Shanghai and believes the heritage

:52:00.:52:01.

of East Midlands manufacturing is of East Midlands manufacturing is

:52:01.:52:03.

of East Midlands manufacturing is of East Midlands manufacturing is

:52:03.:52:03.

vital to its global success. Here is vital to its global success. Here is

:52:03.:52:07.

vital to its global success. Here is what the workforce thing. I think

:52:07.:52:08.

what the workforce thing. I think what the workforce thing. I think

:52:08.:52:10.

manufacturing is one of the most manufacturing is one of the most

:52:10.:52:14.

manufacturing is one of the most important things to do with England.

:52:14.:52:15.

important things to do with England. important things to do with England.

:52:15.:52:15.

The heritage of manufacturing from The heritage of manufacturing from

:52:15.:52:17.

The heritage of manufacturing from the industrial Revolution to now, we

:52:17.:52:19.

the industrial Revolution to now, we the industrial Revolution to now, we

:52:19.:52:23.

offer good quality material and offer good quality material and

:52:23.:52:24.

offer good quality material and products. It is something that is

:52:24.:52:25.

products. It is something that is products. It is something that is

:52:25.:52:26.

really important to the country and really important to the country and

:52:26.:52:28.

really important to the country and really important to the country and

:52:28.:52:29.

the people that live in it. I am the people that live in it. I am

:52:29.:52:29.

the people that live in it. I am the people that live in it. I am

:52:29.:52:32.

the people that live in it. I am glad I am in a job at the moment.

:52:32.:52:33.

glad I am in a job at the moment. glad I am in a job at the moment.

:52:33.:52:36.

glad I am in a job at the moment. used to have 13 people working here.

:52:36.:52:37.

used to have 13 people working here. used to have 13 people working here.

:52:37.:52:39.

used to have 13 people working here. Now we have five in the workshop.

:52:39.:52:44.

Now we have five in the workshop. Now we have five in the workshop.

:52:44.:52:45.

Now we have five in the workshop. You do worry. When you hear about

:52:45.:52:47.

You do worry. When you hear about other companies struggling, you

:52:47.:52:48.

other companies struggling, you other companies struggling, you

:52:48.:52:49.

other companies struggling, you worry. We seem to be going OK, but

:52:49.:52:49.

worry. We seem to be going OK, but worry. We seem to be going OK, but

:52:49.:52:50.

worry. We seem to be going OK, but you don't know what is around the

:52:50.:52:52.

you don't know what is around the you don't know what is around the

:52:52.:52:53.

corner. Michael Sheridan, you either corner. Michael Sheridan, you either

:52:53.:52:54.

corner. Michael Sheridan, you either founder and chairman of Sheridan &

:52:54.:52:58.

What do you want from the What do you want from the

:52:58.:53:00.

What do you want from the What do you want from the

:53:01.:53:01.

politicians in front of you? I think politicians in front of you? I think

:53:01.:53:04.

politicians in front of you? I think politicians in front of you? I think

:53:04.:53:07.

what we need to see is more interest what we need to see is more interest

:53:07.:53:09.

from manufacturers particularly. from manufacturers particularly.

:53:09.:53:09.

from manufacturers particularly. from manufacturers particularly.

:53:09.:53:11.

There needs to be more of an There needs to be more of an

:53:11.:53:12.

There needs to be more of an emphasis on funding for businesses

:53:12.:53:15.

emphasis on funding for businesses emphasis on funding for businesses

:53:15.:53:16.

that are prefer batterer prepared to that are prefer batterer prepared to

:53:16.:53:17.

that are prefer batterer prepared to that are prefer batterer prepared to

:53:17.:53:20.

get business is from the UK and get business is from the UK and

:53:20.:53:20.

get business is from the UK and get business is from the UK and

:53:20.:53:21.

Europe and I'd be interested to know Europe and I'd be interested to know

:53:21.:53:22.

Europe and I'd be interested to know Europe and I'd be interested to know

:53:22.:53:22.

what you are thinking about in the what you are thinking about in the

:53:22.:53:28.

what you are thinking about in the what you are thinking about in the

:53:28.:53:28.

short to medium term. It is an short to medium term. It is an

:53:28.:53:29.

short to medium term. It is an important point and concerns most of

:53:30.:53:32.

important point and concerns most of important point and concerns most of

:53:32.:53:33.

important point and concerns most of us. We are not seeing the lending...

:53:33.:53:34.

us. We are not seeing the lending... us. We are not seeing the lending...

:53:34.:53:34.

us. We are not seeing the lending... It is the facilities as well from

:53:34.:53:36.

It is the facilities as well from It is the facilities as well from

:53:36.:53:37.

It is the facilities as well from the banks. What are you going to do

:53:37.:53:38.

the banks. What are you going to do the banks. What are you going to do

:53:38.:53:39.

the banks. What are you going to do about it? We cannot tell the banks

:53:39.:53:40.

about it? We cannot tell the banks about it? We cannot tell the banks

:53:40.:53:41.

about it? We cannot tell the banks what to do, but we can encourage

:53:41.:53:42.

what to do, but we can encourage what to do, but we can encourage

:53:42.:53:43.

what to do, but we can encourage them wildly and make it clear we

:53:43.:53:46.

them wildly and make it clear we them wildly and make it clear we

:53:46.:53:47.

them wildly and make it clear we expect to see improvement. We own 8%

:53:47.:53:48.

expect to see improvement. We own 8% expect to see improvement. We own 8%

:53:48.:53:48.

expect to see improvement. We own 8% expect to see improvement. We own 8%

:53:48.:53:49.

of some of them and I think that is of some of them and I think that is

:53:49.:53:51.

of some of them and I think that is of some of them and I think that is

:53:52.:53:53.

something we need to see. They need something we need to see. They need

:53:53.:53:53.

something we need to see. They need something we need to see. They need

:53:53.:53:54.

to make up for the damage before to make up for the damage before

:53:55.:53:55.

to make up for the damage before they start that money flowing. In

:53:55.:53:57.

they start that money flowing. In they start that money flowing. In

:53:57.:53:58.

they start that money flowing. In terms of exports, one thing that is

:53:58.:53:59.

terms of exports, one thing that is terms of exports, one thing that is

:53:59.:54:01.

happening next week, on Monday, the happening next week, on Monday, the

:54:01.:54:07.

happening next week, on Monday, the Prime Minister goes to India. That

:54:07.:54:07.

Prime Minister goes to India. That Prime Minister goes to India. That

:54:07.:54:08.

Prime Minister goes to India. That is taking it by the scruff of the

:54:08.:54:09.

is taking it by the scruff of the is taking it by the scruff of the

:54:09.:54:11.

is taking it by the scruff of the neck and going out there. What can

:54:11.:54:12.

neck and going out there. What can neck and going out there. What can

:54:13.:54:14.

neck and going out there. What can you say to Michael? We need to make

:54:14.:54:16.

you say to Michael? We need to make you say to Michael? We need to make

:54:16.:54:16.

resources available for research and resources available for research and

:54:16.:54:17.

resources available for research and development. We also need to be

:54:17.:54:19.

development. We also need to be development. We also need to be

:54:19.:54:19.

smarter about how we organise our smarter about how we organise our

:54:19.:54:21.

public sector procurement, very public sector procurement, very

:54:21.:54:24.

public sector procurement, very often when police forces or other

:54:24.:54:26.

often when police forces or other often when police forces or other

:54:26.:54:28.

areas of the public sector with areas of the public sector with

:54:28.:54:29.

areas of the public sector with vehicles, they often get them from

:54:29.:54:31.

vehicles, they often get them from vehicles, they often get them from

:54:31.:54:32.

vehicles, they often get them from overseas. We need to use, where we

:54:32.:54:34.

overseas. We need to use, where we overseas. We need to use, where we

:54:34.:54:36.

can, the power of Government can, the power of Government

:54:36.:54:36.

can, the power of Government spending, whether local or national,

:54:36.:54:37.

spending, whether local or national, spending, whether local or national,

:54:37.:54:40.

to support our local industries. You to support our local industries. You

:54:40.:54:41.

to support our local industries. You have just come back from America.

:54:41.:54:42.

have just come back from America. have just come back from America.

:54:42.:54:43.

How different is it doing business How different is it doing business

:54:43.:54:46.

How different is it doing business How different is it doing business

:54:46.:54:52.

over there than here? It is more over there than here? It is more

:54:52.:54:53.

over there than here? It is more immediate. From a Government view

:54:53.:54:55.

immediate. From a Government view immediate. From a Government view

:54:55.:54:56.

that to activate capitalists in the that to activate capitalists in the

:54:56.:54:57.

that to activate capitalists in the state, to support industry by giving

:54:58.:55:00.

state, to support industry by giving state, to support industry by giving

:55:00.:55:01.

them tax breaks and incentives to them tax breaks and incentives to

:55:01.:55:02.

them tax breaks and incentives to them tax breaks and incentives to

:55:02.:55:04.

get the money back into the system. get the money back into the system.

:55:04.:55:05.

get the money back into the system. get the money back into the system.

:55:05.:55:08.

What is slowing it down? We're not What is slowing it down? We're not

:55:08.:55:09.

What is slowing it down? We're not moving quickly enough in terms of

:55:09.:55:10.

moving quickly enough in terms of moving quickly enough in terms of

:55:10.:55:11.

moving quickly enough in terms of that sort of activity. We file for

:55:11.:55:15.

that sort of activity. We file for that sort of activity. We file for

:55:15.:55:16.

that sort of activity. We file for patents at the same time in the UK

:55:16.:55:17.

patents at the same time in the UK patents at the same time in the UK

:55:17.:55:19.

patents at the same time in the UK patents at the same time in the UK

:55:19.:55:20.

and Europe and the US. We got the US and Europe and the US. We got the US

:55:20.:55:20.

and Europe and the US. We got the US patents through 12 months ago. We

:55:20.:55:22.

patents through 12 months ago. We patents through 12 months ago. We

:55:22.:55:26.

are still in deliberation with that are still in deliberation with that

:55:26.:55:27.

are still in deliberation with that are still in deliberation with that

:55:27.:55:28.

ate here. I can go to the Inland ate here. I can go to the Inland

:55:28.:55:29.

ate here. I can go to the Inland ate here. I can go to the Inland

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Revenue and say I am in the action Revenue and say I am in the action

:55:30.:55:31.

Revenue and say I am in the action Revenue and say I am in the action

:55:31.:55:31.

of getting a patents, can I please of getting a patents, can I please

:55:31.:55:32.

of getting a patents, can I please of getting a patents, can I please

:55:32.:55:33.

of getting a patents, can I please have some tax break at the end of my

:55:33.:55:34.

have some tax break at the end of my have some tax break at the end of my

:55:34.:55:35.

have some tax break at the end of my year? That does not help me on a

:55:35.:55:38.

year? That does not help me on a year? That does not help me on a

:55:38.:55:39.

year? That does not help me on a day-to-day basis. I need that IP in

:55:39.:55:39.

day-to-day basis. I need that IP in day-to-day basis. I need that IP in

:55:39.:55:40.

day-to-day basis. I need that IP in day-to-day basis. I need that IP in

:55:40.:55:41.

place so I can go out and talk to place so I can go out and talk to

:55:41.:55:42.

place so I can go out and talk to businesses about how special that

:55:42.:55:45.

businesses about how special that businesses about how special that

:55:45.:55:46.

businesses about how special that is. I think it is the ongoing that

:55:46.:55:48.

is. I think it is the ongoing that is. I think it is the ongoing that

:55:48.:55:50.

is imperative. From my own dealings is imperative. From my own dealings

:55:50.:55:51.

is imperative. From my own dealings is imperative. From my own dealings

:55:51.:55:52.

as a junior minister, I sit on as a junior minister, I sit on

:55:52.:55:53.

as a junior minister, I sit on committees where we look at

:55:53.:55:54.

committees where we look at committees where we look at

:55:54.:55:55.

regulation. We are working on the regulation. We are working on the

:55:55.:55:56.

regulation. We are working on the basis that for everyone that comes

:55:56.:55:57.

basis that for everyone that comes basis that for everyone that comes

:55:57.:56:00.

basis that for everyone that comes in, we want to going out. I don't

:56:00.:56:01.

in, we want to going out. I don't in, we want to going out. I don't

:56:01.:56:02.

in, we want to going out. I don't think -- two going out. I don't

:56:02.:56:02.

think -- two going out. I don't think -- two going out. I don't

:56:02.:56:04.

think -- two going out. I don't think we can do anything more. It is

:56:04.:56:06.

think we can do anything more. It is think we can do anything more. It is

:56:06.:56:07.

inexcusable. I will take that point inexcusable. I will take that point

:56:07.:56:08.

inexcusable. I will take that point inexcusable. I will take that point

:56:08.:56:10.

back and I hope you raise it with back and I hope you raise it with

:56:10.:56:12.

back and I hope you raise it with back and I hope you raise it with

:56:12.:56:13.

your MP. There is too much of a your MP. There is too much of a

:56:13.:56:14.

fixation with the financial fixation with the financial

:56:14.:56:16.

fixation with the financial fixation with the financial

:56:16.:56:17.

services. They put too many eggs in services. They put too many eggs in

:56:17.:56:21.

services. They put too many eggs in the financial services basket. The

:56:21.:56:22.

the financial services basket. The industrialisation in early 1980s,

:56:22.:56:23.

industrialisation in early 1980s, industrialisation in early 1980s,

:56:23.:56:23.

industrialisation in early 1980s, whilst it was an engine for economic

:56:23.:56:26.

whilst it was an engine for economic whilst it was an engine for economic

:56:26.:56:27.

growth, it didn't build any growth, it didn't build any

:56:27.:56:30.

growth, it didn't build any resilience into the economy. When

:56:30.:56:31.

resilience into the economy. When resilience into the economy. When

:56:31.:56:33.

the worldwide downturn arrives, we the worldwide downturn arrives, we

:56:33.:56:34.

the worldwide downturn arrives, we the worldwide downturn arrives, we

:56:34.:56:34.

were overly exposed and if we had were overly exposed and if we had

:56:35.:56:36.

were overly exposed and if we had followed the German model, maybe we

:56:36.:56:37.

followed the German model, maybe we followed the German model, maybe we

:56:37.:56:39.

would have been more resilient. would have been more resilient.

:56:39.:56:40.

would have been more resilient. Maybe the Government should put more

:56:40.:56:43.

Maybe the Government should put more Maybe the Government should put more

:56:43.:56:44.

pressure on the banks. There are pressure on the banks. There are

:56:44.:56:45.

pressure on the banks. There are pressure on the banks. There are

:56:45.:56:45.

fantastic things about the UK that I fantastic things about the UK that I

:56:46.:56:47.

fantastic things about the UK that I fantastic things about the UK that I

:56:47.:56:50.

would like to comment on. We work a would like to comment on. We work a

:56:50.:56:50.

would like to comment on. We work a lot with Leicester University and

:56:50.:56:53.

lot with Leicester University and lot with Leicester University and

:56:53.:56:54.

have come up with a replacement have come up with a replacement

:56:54.:56:55.

have come up with a replacement material for MDF which is a

:56:55.:56:57.

material for MDF which is a fantastic development which will

:56:57.:57:00.

fantastic development which will fantastic development which will

:57:00.:57:01.

help us differentiate, certainly in help us differentiate, certainly in

:57:01.:57:01.

help us differentiate, certainly in the shop fitting context, and we

:57:01.:57:04.

the shop fitting context, and we the shop fitting context, and we

:57:05.:57:05.

have done that with very little have done that with very little

:57:05.:57:08.

have done that with very little funding. We have done that through

:57:08.:57:10.

funding. We have done that through funding. We have done that through

:57:10.:57:10.

determination. We could have had determination. We could have had

:57:10.:57:12.

determination. We could have had determination. We could have had

:57:12.:57:12.

that product to market six or at that product to market six or at

:57:12.:57:13.

that product to market six or at that product to market six or at

:57:14.:57:14.

eight or ten months ago, had there eight or ten months ago, had there

:57:14.:57:17.

eight or ten months ago, had there been the funding and resources. The

:57:17.:57:18.

been the funding and resources. The been the funding and resources. The

:57:18.:57:19.

frustrating thing about the UK is frustrating thing about the UK is

:57:19.:57:20.

frustrating thing about the UK is that all these great things going

:57:20.:57:22.

that all these great things going that all these great things going

:57:22.:57:23.

that all these great things going on, they are great ideas, but people

:57:23.:57:25.

on, they are great ideas, but people on, they are great ideas, but people

:57:25.:57:25.

like myself and other businessmen like myself and other businessmen

:57:26.:57:26.

like myself and other businessmen like myself and other businessmen

:57:26.:57:27.

are unable to get these things out. are unable to get these things out.

:57:28.:57:28.

are unable to get these things out. are unable to get these things out.

:57:28.:57:29.

I go into my office every morning I go into my office every morning

:57:29.:57:30.

I go into my office every morning I go into my office every morning

:57:30.:57:31.

I go into my office every morning and say to my team, we must get this

:57:31.:57:32.

and say to my team, we must get this and say to my team, we must get this

:57:32.:57:33.

and say to my team, we must get this and say to my team, we must get this

:57:33.:57:33.

out by the end of today, or the end out by the end of today, or the end

:57:34.:57:35.

out by the end of today, or the end out by the end of today, or the end

:57:35.:57:36.

of the week. It is of the barriers of the week. It is of the barriers

:57:36.:57:38.

of the week. It is of the barriers of the week. It is of the barriers

:57:38.:57:38.

we face and nothing to do with we face and nothing to do with

:57:38.:57:39.

we face and nothing to do with ourselves and the great facilities

:57:39.:57:42.

ourselves and the great facilities ourselves and the great facilities

:57:42.:57:43.

ourselves and the great facilities we have. What can we do to make

:57:43.:57:44.

we have. What can we do to make manufacturing have a high

:57:44.:57:47.

manufacturing have a high manufacturing have a high

:57:47.:57:48.

importance? It is thinking out of importance? It is thinking out of

:57:48.:57:49.

importance? It is thinking out of importance? It is thinking out of

:57:49.:57:50.

the box and moving things on more the box and moving things on more

:57:50.:57:52.

the box and moving things on more quickly and realising we cannot do

:57:52.:57:53.

quickly and realising we cannot do quickly and realising we cannot do

:57:53.:57:54.

things in the way we have things in the way we have

:57:54.:57:56.

things in the way we have traditionally done it. We need to

:57:56.:57:56.

traditionally done it. We need to traditionally done it. We need to

:57:56.:57:57.

traditionally done it. We need to wake up and recognise that it is not

:57:57.:57:59.

wake up and recognise that it is not wake up and recognise that it is not

:57:59.:58:00.

just Europe we are in competition just Europe we are in competition

:58:00.:58:01.

just Europe we are in competition just Europe we are in competition

:58:01.:58:03.

with, but also when you go to India with, but also when you go to India

:58:03.:58:05.

with, but also when you go to India with, but also when you go to India

:58:05.:58:06.

and China... I went to India and one and China... I went to India and one

:58:06.:58:08.

and China... I went to India and one and China... I went to India and one

:58:08.:58:09.

and China... I went to India and one of the things I did was look at how

:58:09.:58:10.

of the things I did was look at how of the things I did was look at how

:58:10.:58:11.

British businesses working in the British businesses working in the

:58:11.:58:11.

British businesses working in the healthcare sector can do business

:58:11.:58:13.

healthcare sector can do business healthcare sector can do business

:58:13.:58:14.

healthcare sector can do business out there. The Indians think so much

:58:14.:58:16.

out there. The Indians think so much out there. The Indians think so much

:58:16.:58:17.

out there. The Indians think so much more freely. They are not as overly

:58:17.:58:20.

more freely. They are not as overly constrained. There are positive

:58:20.:58:22.

constrained. There are positive constrained. There are positive

:58:22.:58:23.

noises from both our MPs. Any noises from both our MPs. Any

:58:23.:58:25.

noises from both our MPs. Any confidence in that? It is not

:58:25.:58:28.

confidence in that? It is not confidence in that? It is not

:58:28.:58:30.

confidence in that? It is not enough. We now need some action. We

:58:30.:58:31.

enough. We now need some action. We enough. We now need some action. We

:58:31.:58:32.

have to leave it there. Our have to leave it there. Our

:58:32.:58:34.

have to leave it there. Our political editor has written a blog

:58:34.:58:36.

political editor has written a blog political editor has written a blog

:58:36.:58:37.

about manufacturing in the East about manufacturing in the East

:58:37.:58:38.

about manufacturing in the East about manufacturing in the East

:58:38.:58:38.

Midlands on our website. Here he is Midlands on our website. Here he is

:58:38.:58:45.

with our 60-second round-up. with our 60-second round-up.

:58:45.:58:46.

with our 60-second round-up. A campaign group dedicated to

:58:46.:58:47.

A campaign group dedicated to preserving Sherwood Forest has

:58:47.:58:49.

preserving Sherwood Forest has welcomed the Governmentofficial

:58:49.:58:51.

welcomed the Governmentofficial welcomed the Governmentofficial

:58:51.:58:51.

announcement that it has dropped announcement that it has dropped

:58:51.:58:52.

announcement that it has dropped announcement that it has dropped

:58:52.:58:54.

plans to sell off much of the plans to sell off much of the

:58:54.:58:56.

country's woodlands. The save country's woodlands. The save

:58:56.:58:56.

country's woodlands. The save Sherwood Forest campaign says the

:58:56.:58:58.

Sherwood Forest campaign says the Sherwood Forest campaign says the

:58:58.:59:00.

forest still needs more investment. forest still needs more investment.

:59:00.:59:02.

forest still needs more investment. Labour's MP wants the European

:59:03.:59:04.

Labour's MP wants the European Labour's MP wants the European

:59:04.:59:05.

Parliament to tackle the horse meat Parliament to tackle the horse meat

:59:05.:59:06.

Parliament to tackle the horse meat Parliament to tackle the horse meat

:59:06.:59:08.

scandal. She says it has revealed a scandal. She says it has revealed a

:59:08.:59:10.

scandal. She says it has revealed a loophole in European legislation and

:59:10.:59:11.

loophole in European legislation and loophole in European legislation and

:59:11.:59:12.

loophole in European legislation and wants the issue looked at by the

:59:12.:59:15.

wants the issue looked at by the European food safety committee.

:59:15.:59:16.

European food safety committee. European food safety committee.

:59:16.:59:19.

Nottingham council has started a Nottingham council has started a

:59:19.:59:20.

Nottingham council has started a petition against Howells -- housing

:59:20.:59:23.

petition against Howells -- housing changes including bedroom tax.

:59:23.:59:25.

changes including bedroom tax. changes including bedroom tax.

:59:25.:59:25.

People deemed to have more bedrooms People deemed to have more bedrooms

:59:26.:59:27.

People deemed to have more bedrooms and they need will see benefits

:59:27.:59:28.

and they need will see benefits and they need will see benefits

:59:28.:59:29.

reduced. More houses and better rail reduced. More houses and better rail

:59:29.:59:30.

reduced. More houses and better rail reduced. More houses and better rail

:59:31.:59:31.

and roads are being called for bad and roads are being called for bad

:59:31.:59:32.

and roads are being called for bad East Midlands councils. It has

:59:32.:59:34.

East Midlands councils. It has East Midlands councils. It has

:59:34.:59:36.

released a wish list including released a wish list including

:59:36.:59:40.

released a wish list including improved rail links, better road

:59:40.:59:41.

improved rail links, better road improved rail links, better road

:59:41.:59:42.

links and investment in the links and investment in the

:59:42.:59:48.

region's former coalfields. region's former coalfields.

:59:48.:59:51.

region's former coalfields. region's former coalfields.

:59:51.:59:53.

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