03/03/2013 Sunday Politics East Midlands


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In the East Midlands: As the number of hospital admissions for alcohol

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related illnesses soar, are we drinking too much? And it's one of

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the biggest economies in the world, with strong links to the East

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2198 seconds

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Midlands - but should we be giving In the East Midlands, are we

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drinking too much? I've think it is a middle-aged age group who do

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their shopping in the supermarket, get Barrar a whole much more

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cheaply than they did in the past, and drink in the evening to relax.

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One of the biggest economies in the world, with strong links to the

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East Midlands, should we be giving aid to India? I stayed it should be

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stopped. It is not really helping this country, trader, yes, aid, no.

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Hello, I'm Marie Ashby. Joining me this week, the Conservative MP for

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Bosworth David Tredinnick, and Labour's MP for Bassetlaw John Mann.

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The head of East Midlands Ambulance Service was in Westminster this

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week discussing radical changes to the service with Conservative MPs.

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It's planning to cut 53 stations around the region and replace them

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with 13 hubs. Phil Milligan, the ambulance service chief executive,

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told MPs it would improve response times.

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There's been a lot of concern over this - this week we heard about an

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eighty four year old woman in Leicestershire who had to wait 3

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hours for an ambulance after a fall outside her home. Do you think the

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changes will improve things? No, I don't. We are not prepared to

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accept it. We have put in about 20,000 submissions same we are not

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prepared to lose our ambulance stations, with a vast array rethink,

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-- we have asked for a rethink. We are not prepared to accept anything

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less. I am getting a clear indication that they we think is

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going on. They have not been able to argue against the points we have

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made, we have pointed out that our ambulances go north to Doncaster or

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and Sheffield. There is no logic in having a base that we don't news. I

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think they raised a rethink. I think they understand that in rural

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areas, it doesn't add up. Do you think there is anything going on?

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Babb looked at it, subsequently I am informed that Hinckley will have

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a hard station. I feel much more optimistic. There is a real worry

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that ambulance services will be focused on the city of Leicester,

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to the detriment of the countryside, Market Bosworth, up to Shackleton's.

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I feel confident we will have a modern, efficient facility. We have

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to accept that there is need for change. Some of the old stations

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have to go, we do need a modern service, and the old buildings are

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totally unsuitable, and the costs of refurbishing them is way above

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that are putting in a new building. Well one thing our ambulance

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service certainly has to deal with on a daily basis is alcohol abuse.

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And there's been a shocking rise in the number of people in the East

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Midlands being admitted to hospital for alcohol related conditions, up

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by almost a third in just five years. More and more people are

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having problems with alcohol, and at the Royal Derby hospital they

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have found that the age group of people are changing.

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Teenage years seem to have reduced their drinking in the last years,

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the Education put into schools is reaping some benefits. I picked it

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is the middle-aged people who do their shopping in the supermarket,

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get ban alcohol much more cheaply than they did in the past, and

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drink in the evening to relax. On a daily basis they are drinking

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alcohol, and adds up to quite a lot. They had been looking more closely

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at the causes of alcohol, at this pub, they say a change in drinking

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habits has made the situation worse. They are buying cheap alcohol from

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supermarkets, and drinking a lot more at home before they come out.

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The night-time economy has changed, people are coming out a lot later.

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From a landlord's point of view, it is difficult to judge how much

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alcohol they have consumed. A recent inquiry into drink and drugs

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has found that efforts to tackle drug problems are having an impact.

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Now it is alcohol abuse that is on the increase. 44% of violent crime

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is alcohol-related. If you look at the drugs side of staff, it is less

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socially acceptable in British culture, alcohol has been more

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acceptable, that is the attitude we need to change. In recent times the

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focus has shifted, and I think they are taking the issue seriously and

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providing more funding. Before figures show that in the East

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Midlands there has been a 30% rise in admissions to hospital in the

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last five years, but if you look more closely, there may be signs of

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hope, with admissions falling in the last year. This charity in

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Derbyshire say they are finding new ways of tackling the problem. One

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of the biggest things is that there are no huge waiting lists, they are

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in bed within five days of the referral being made. You have to

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strike when the iron is hot. Politician has, health workers and

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charities are turning their attentions to tackling the alcohol

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crisis, back can any of them end our obsession with booze?

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You set up the inquiry we mentioned in Bassetlaw. So which was the

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bigger problem, drugs or alcohol? It used to be drugs, but we have

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got on top of the heroin problem. Many of our addicts are back paying

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taxes, or are in treatment. We have had some great results, and have

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saved money for the taxpayer. How bad is it? It may not be a new

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problem, it was there before. looking at the cost in policing,

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the cost to the health service, the cost to employers, and we intend to

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challenge that head-on. We are looking at a number of things, but

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in particular, the biggest mistake of the last government was bringing

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in 24 hour alcohol everywhere. It may work in big cities, but in

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market towns, it doesn't work. We don't need pubs that are open all

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night, and it has cost us a lot of money. Admission that Labour made

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some mistakes? The R idea of 24 hour drinking was to getting line

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with the rest of Europe. -- the idea. We are losing our pubs, we

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are losing that social interaction. Far too many people are drinking

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cheap alcohol, which supermarkets have as loss-leaders.

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The doctor in that report, Andrew Austin, supports a minimum pricing

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for alcohol. And this week, 70 health groups have said it should

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be a minimum of 50 pence per unit. Is that going to happen?

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committee which I sit on have looked at it, I have looked at the

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situation in Scotland, and I think there are a compelling number of

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cases. They are not finding it easy, but that does not mean you don't

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have to do it. We live to affect middle-class drinkers? -- will it

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affect middle-class drinkers? will affect some of them, but there

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is a much bigger issue, awareness of what alcohol does to you. It

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will increase your chance to diabetes, it will reduce your

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potency, it will make your eyes deteriorate more quickly. Your life

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expectancy will be reduced. These are the messages we need to get

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across. There are some glimmers of hope. They are very small. I will

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back the proposal for a minimum price, I don't know whether it will

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work, but it is worth a go. The health message has to be ramped up.

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If you are 40 years old, trying to hold on to your looks, and you

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drink a lot of alcohol, you will Ajay lot quicker. That message has

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not been there. -- tubal you will age. In message doesn't seem to be

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getting through, the British are known for their drinking? In some

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parts of the country it is getting across. There is work-in-progress.

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The supermarkets, three bottles of wine but �10, it is extraordinary

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you can get it so cheaply? It has changed to people staying in,

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television ratings are going up, people are staying in, doing some

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cooking, drinking a bottle of wine, or some beer. They are not

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realising how much they are drinking. It is all of us. We are

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all doing it. We have to get on top of it. People are not realising

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quite how much we drink at home. It is not like the pub, where you hand

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over the money. Is it something that worries you personally? It is

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another big issue. I will let John think about the answer. They used

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to be eight glasses of wine to a bottle, and now you're getting much

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bigger glasses in pubs, people are filed into drinking -- are full

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into thinking that they are drinking less. I worried about

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people driving a black a whole. There is a clear disparity between

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the amount people say they are drinking and what they actually do.

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I have no idea how much I could see him. Your must know how much you

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are drinking? If you go to a reception in Parliament, it is hard

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to know. Parliament is one of the worst, they run a copy bars in

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Parliament, bars everywhere. Should the UK be giving aid to a

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country that's got a space programme? Well, according to the

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government, no. Aid to India will end in two year's time. The

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government says it is one of the fastest growing economies in the

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world - and even the Indian government has said trade is better

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than aid. But one of our MPs doesn't agree.

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Jon Ashworth, from Leicester South has been in India. Earlier I spoke

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to him and asked him what he's seen that's so convinced him aid should

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continue. I have seen kids playing next to an open sewer, no shoes,

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toddlers walking round in the slums. It is extreme levels of poverty.

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Although I don't believe we should keep on giving aid to India for

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ever, I don't pick it should have ended abruptly in 2015 -- I don't

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think it should have ended abruptly in 2015. I think we will lose

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influence with India. I don't think it is in the British national

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interest. We are country with deep bonds, deep ties with India. We

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needed to maintain a modern relationship. That will help in

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terms of trade, and economic development.

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Well Jon Ashworth, mentioned business as well as aid there and

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we're joined by Uday Dholakia, a Leicester businessman, who's the

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chairman of the Indo British Trade Council.

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Is Jon right, will we lose influence if we end our aid

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donations? Geraghty macro parts to the argument. As a local

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businessman, I want to make sure that taxpayers' money means there

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is something in it for our institutions. The point that John

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is trying to make, he has clearly picked up by a number of serious

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issues. I think we have cut the aid programme a bit too quickly, it is

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a unilateral decision, we need to be humane and compassionate.

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You're a regular visitor to the Indian High commission what's their

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take on stopping aid to India. feel it is a unilateral decision on

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part of the government, they feel they should have been bilateral

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discussion. Seeing is believing and Jon

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Ashworth has clearly been affected by what he's seen. How can we

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ignore such obvious poverty? There are pockets like that in all

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countries across the world. The perception of aid is not a good one,

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people think that the money is pocketed. There is a determination

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to make sure aid is targeted on the most bd, and as the fact of the

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matter is that people are not going to begrudge the fact they are

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trying to target the aid more effectively. Can we really turn our

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backs on children in slums? It is not about turning our back, it is

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about effectiveness. I was one of the first to call for aid for China

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and India to be stopped, and money to be redirected to Africa, where I

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think the developer needs are far more great. India is booming as an

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economy, their growth rates are very good, we should be co-

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operating with our expertise, including water, sanitation and

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health. Well our politicians have strong

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views on this sensitive issue over to Des Coleman to see what you

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think. We give a the �200 million of aid to India every year.

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We have come to Derby to hear your thoughts. I think each should be

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stopped, it is not helping these countries. Trade, yes, aid, no.

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Allowed to the time it goes into the leader's bank account. We need

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to make sure goes to the right people. I can accept it going for

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humanitarian reasons, but not for armaments. They should be

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concentrating on the people. They should spend money on people here,

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on cancer, finding cures, rather than sending it to other countries.

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I think about all the children that are suffering over there, I have a

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child myself, but I also think there are quite a lot of people in

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this country but also need help. The homeless, that sort of thing.

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So a lot of people thinking we should look closer to home before

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we spend money abroad. Surely it would be better to taper it off

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rather than cutting off aid so abruptly? There is an argument for

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that, I'm not sure exactly what the aid packages. The charities depend

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on that money? I don't accept that, the aid could be spent much better

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in other areas. You mention Africa, half a million people can be saved.

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They have to be judgments in politics, and I think it is the

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correct judgment to move aid that are poorer, and let in Diego it's a

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way as -- and let India go its way as the successful economy that it

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is. There is a huge amount of wealth in India, the growth rate is

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9%, and we don't have one. We need to give away expertise, and put

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money in, and make sure it makes a big difference, in Africa.

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Let's look a bit more closely at our links with India. We've got

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such strong connections because of our communities here in the East

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Midlands - Uday, can we benefit from that? I think we can, but a

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lot of the arguments resonate with me. We need to shift the paradigm,

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to make that relationships from. What is the relationship around

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giving aid to institutions? Water, sanitation, everything else. We

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must also leverage more support. I think I would still like to see

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Bally for money for any money we spent. -- value for money. What

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kind of benefits would we get? International aid, and trade are

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very closely linked. I don't think we have been aggressive enough. I

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would like to see more upbeat manoeuvring from the government.

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John and Ashworth said he was concerned that we were -- Jon

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Ashworth said he was concerned we would lose influence? I think we

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would lose some respect. David Cameron obviously realises

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the importance of India's economic power for the UK - he's just been

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out there, but could we be doing more. It was a powerful statement

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of intent. By developing wealth, you develop trade, they are very

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closely linked. Can you separate aid and trade

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though? You can indeed, there are other ways, it's off to a,

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scholarships, ability to get visas, these have been on the agenda,

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there is a lot more we can do. We need to build relationships. There

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is a lot more to be done? We take a lot of Indian students to this

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country, they go back with some fine degrees. And he very much for

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coming in. Time for a quick look at some of

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the other political stories in the East Midlands this week - here's

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our Political Editor John Hess with the 60 second roundup. In so Brain,

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a politician of start to think about the council elections, the

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finance director has warned about whoever wins at the polls will have

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to make more big budget cuts. We need to be more efficient, we

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need to be more effective, and put your better goods and services.

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new �500 million train station for Elkstone has moved closer with

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approval for government funding. Campaigners are confident of

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securing the rest of the cash from a government fund. With the cold

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spell still fresh in our memories, the SNP has urged homeowners to

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warm up with a green deal. -- this MP. The cost is paid back in

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savings in fuel bills. The green deal will save energy, and create

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thousands of jobs. Looking forward to those council

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elections, what preparations are you making?

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I am looking forward to the results, because we are going to see the

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Andrew Neil and Marie Ashby with the latest political news, interviews and debate, including business secretary Vince Cable and former Conservative cabinet minister Andrew Mitchell.


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