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seatbelts for a transport special. First up, the case for HS2 and the

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people now fighting to save their homes.

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And get your cycling clips ready, as we look at the problems of getting

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2215 seconds

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seatbelts for a transport special. First up, the case for HS2 and the

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people now fighting to save their homes. It is a shock, we know that

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they are going to go ahead with it whether we like it or not.

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And get your cycling clips ready, as we look at the problems of getting

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more of us onto our bikes.How do we make it safer? I broke my nose, I

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cut through my lip, I have 52 stitches. I knocked out 60 -- six

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teeth. My guests this week, the Derbyshire

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Dales MP and Secretary of State for Transport, Patrick McLoughlin and

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Nottingham South MP and Labour's shadow rail minister, Lilian

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Greenwood. We 'll come to transport issues shortly, but first of all,

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cigarettes: Lilian, what do you think is going on in government

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after it shelved its plan on Friday for plain packaging for cigarettes?

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I think it is incredibly disappointing. Tobacco smoking is

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the number one public health issue in this city. 1000 people in

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Nottingham will die in the next year as a result of smoking, and we need

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to stop young people from taking up smoking. It is about protecting

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children. Was the government lent on by the big tobacco interests?

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has been introduced in Australia, we'll see what the evidence is from

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there before we take a final decision. We have announced we're

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going to move forward with the fact you won't be able to display

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cigarettes in shops, as you can't at the moment in supermarkets, but we

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have taken measures to go forward. The position we are adopting is the

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same as the last government. Anna Soubry says she wants more time for

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consultation. Is that a good idea? While we are sitting around having

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more time for consultation, young people are continuing to take up

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smoking. They will develop ill-health or die as a result of

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that. I think the last Labour government took strong action to try

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to curb smoking because we know how dangerous it is. I think the rest of

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the world is looking at introducing these measures and it is wasteful.

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In principle, are you in favour of plain packaging? I would like to see

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how it works in Australia, whether it does have an impact. I supported

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the ban on smoking in public places, so it was a cross-party vote, I

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would like to see the evidence. Now, probably the biggest file in

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Patrick McLoughlin's intray is the one marked HS2 - judging by your

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tweets and emails to us, it's certainly a story that gets a

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massive reaction from you. In a moment the anti-HS2 campaign will be

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putting their case directly to the minister. But first Wesley Mallin

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looks at the winners, and losers, in this grand project. So, HS2,

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technology of the future, vital boost the economy a giant white

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elephant stampeding through the countryside gobbling up tens of

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billions of pounds of cash? That is certainly the view here in Long

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Eaton. HS2 would come right down this road, requiring levelling all

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of these houses. For residents around here, it is not so much not

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in my backyard as, not through my front room. Valerie he'd lived here

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for over 20 years. She will get the value of her home plus 10%. We will

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get �40,000 compensation for a �400,000 house. My stress is no more

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different than what their stresses. It is not just bricks and mortar, it

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might be to them but it is not when you have spent 26 years and you have

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good neighbours, an old lady next door, I look after her. She sees to

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me, I have family around here. I see to my mother who lives five streets

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away. I'm not to be able to afford new mortgage. But for every home

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being flattened up the track, there is a business waiting to cash in.

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For our particular content... Lee 's firm is met a lot of money

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out of the revamp and stands to make much more if it makes a successful

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raid on HS2. It is major opportunity. There are others along

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a pathway but clearly when it arrives, there is a competition for

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it. It is not guaranteed we will win it but given the scope of the work,

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it is clearly a major opportunity and something that will knock on in

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terms of employment. This man has seen all the oddments and comes down

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just in favour of the big-money project. -- arguments. However, we

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do have to be wary of the increasing costs, some of the media are hyping

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this up based on the fact that many projects have overrun in recent

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years. However the railway industry is getting better at delivering on

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time on budget. The rail industry might be getting better at sticking

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to budget, but the money is still coming from the public purse,

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appoint not lost on Valerie. My tax is paying me to have my own house

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pulled down. It'll be 20 years before we even see a high-speed

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train in the East Midlands and in the meantime, who knows what

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obstacles could end up in the way? We are joined from -- by Joe from

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the Stop HS2. The project is now estimated to cost �50 billion, those

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costs are bound to rise. Isn't the arguments about the money bound to

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diminish? When we had the second reading of the bill, I set out

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clearly what the figures were as to what I had been told. That included

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a large contingency. It may be below that contingency. That is what

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happened with the Olympic Games. That hasn't happened with big

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industrial projects before, though. But the Olympic Games came in below

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what the contingency was. I know that this is a big project. The fact

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is that 15 years ago, there were 750 million passenger journeys. Last

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year there was 1.5 Ilium. We are seeing more freight railways, more

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people using railways, there hasn't been a new railway line built north

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of London for 120 years. There surely a host of other projects you

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would like to see funded and surely the money that will be invested into

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HS2 could be better spent on some of those local project is? Isn't there

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a danger that this is an especially -- expensive mistake? There is a

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huge capacity crunch coming on our railways and rightly, the last

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Labour government looked at how we meet that demand for rail travel. We

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concluded the best way was to load a new north to south railway line. It

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can't happen in isolation. We still need of improvement in our transport

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networks. But if we are going to be ready for the talented of the future

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we had to have that capacity. you have the problem, surely, you

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have a coalition in favour. How can you stop it? That is the problem, we

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have a lot of politicians in favour but not paying attention to the

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plans. What is the point you put the Secretary of State? The Olympic

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budget, which budget we're talking about? It ended up as 10 billion. In

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reality you should look at the transport experts, the people from

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the rail industry who are now saying that you could deliver the capacity

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a lot cheaper, a lot quicker and benefiting a lot more people by

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investing... So your question is?I know you are doing other

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investments, but why are you not looking seriously at options like

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the rail package six, all of these things that could deliver the

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capacity quicker? On the West Coast Main line north of rugby, there was

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�10 billion spent on improving that line. Mostly on maintenance.It is a

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Victorian railway system. It takes a lot of repair. We spent 10 million,

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it does not improve capacity. We are spending �960 million on Redding

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Station to improve the capacity. We are spending money. What would you

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ask the shadow transport Minister? What I say to you is do you really

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want to be lumbered with this project, with God knows what costs

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it will end up with, at a time when we have a national debt that seems

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completely impossible to repay? think the point to be made is, how

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do we get the capacity we need on our railways? Of course the

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government need to be controlling costs, that is one of the issues we

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have been raising with Patrick and his fellow ministers. Are you

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against HS2 because of the route, or because you are against high-speed

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travel? I'm against this project and everyone within Stop HS2 is against

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this project specifically. A solution was devised that any

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attention being paid as to what was in the best interests of this

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country. We keep getting hit with the tag when people can defend the

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oddments be get put. You can't find an economist or an environment list

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for this. There are a number of people who are in favour of the

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argument. There is no big piece of infrastructure, no one would deny

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that HS2 is not a massive piece of infrastructure which is not

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controversial. Holding the M1 was controversial. -- building. Building

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the original railways was incredibly controversial. The sort of experts

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there were in those days, there were some people against them, of course.

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The academics are backing it, too. would say look at the evidence to

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the paving bill committee this week, absolutely convinced that it is not

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going to deliver the promises in terms of regional development. The

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one you really want to look at is Adam Mills, who was chair of

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Eurostar, he was saying that the figures were completely made up. He

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spent two years defending the indefensible and the whole case for

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HS2 is away with the fairies. have had a lot of response on e-mail

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and on twitter, many people both in the wide Midlands and in the

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Chilterns, these are Tory areas. Isn't this the problem you have got?

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Anyone who is going to be affected is going to be upset, obviously.

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That quite often the attack on the political classes in general is we

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don't look to the future. No one can say this is not something looking a

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long way to the future. We need those connections between our big

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cities. At the moment we are spending almost 20 billion on

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crossrail in London. The biggest construction site anywhere in Europe

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at the moment. We have got to also make sure we have the connections

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between our great cities, too. We don't want everything based just in

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the South. Thinking about some of the highly marginal seats in the

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Midlands, Erewash, for example, the only parties is to be against it is

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UKIP? We are in favour of building this high-speed rail line, it is

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important for generating jobs and growth for the future which people

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in those marginal seats want as much as they do in our cities. Of course

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we need to be sensitive to the views of those people, though. It is

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difficult and we need to get the compensation package right and the

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government have two address that because that is an issue that came

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through loud and clear when we took evidence on the paving committee.

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Where do you take the campaign now? We keep going to stop the multiple

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find out about it, the more people come out against. People say they

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were conned by the spin, then they bothered reading the evidence. I

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suggest more MPs actually read the evidence that shows it is just go to

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drag... Thank you very much. We will come back to this in years to come.

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Let's slow down the form of transport now from High Speed2 to

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just two wheels. When MPs return after the summer parliamentary

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break, one of the first things they'll be debating is how to get

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more people cycling. But it comes at a time when cycling deaths are on

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the rise. We've spoken to one Nottingham biking commuter who had

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an horrific accident. Here's his story, and just to warn you, you may

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find some of the pictures of his injuries disturbing. Hi, I am Chris.

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I'm a cyclist and I was involved in a pretty major cycling accident. The

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device which was holding my iPhone, to safely mounted on the handlebars,

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failed, dropping the phone into my front wheel. That stopped me at 30

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miles an hour, and I landed on my face. I broke my nose, cut through

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my top lip, and my bottom lip. I understand there are some 52

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stitches there, I knocked out six teeth. I broke my neck, my back, it

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has taken six months to start to rebuild me and I'm looking forward

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to having a bone graft to replace the bone, so they can screw implants

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into my bone, it will be a long recovery. I want to see what the

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government is doing to support cyclists generally. They do it more

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and more on the continent, in other countries, yes, we have schemes like

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cycling to work, how accessible it is that everybody in the community?

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How much testing is going into accessories we all use on a bike?

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How much is the government seriously looking at cycling? Cycle lanes are

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great but how many can we put into Nottingham and around the country?

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Only last week, the girl was killed in London on one of Boris 's bikes.

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Is that going to save everybody? When it comes to cycle helmets, I

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think people should use them, whether they make the law or not, I

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think the government should make a decision and say, these are the

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reasons why. At the end of the day my decision is, if you have an

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accident and hit your head, would you want to protect yours? I was

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wearing mine and that is what saved my life. It is public the best 50 or

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�60 I have spent in my life. -- probably. Despite my accident, I

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really want to get more people cycling. It is a healthy way to get

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to work. It is cost-effective and good preview and your back pocket.

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-- good for you. People need to ensure there is enough safety. It is

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also doing a fun bit of exercise. pretty gruesome story but he still

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wants people to get on their bikes, what can politicians do to make the

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roads safer? It was a terrible story but it is good he is saying people

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should get on their bikes. It is healthy and we want to encourage

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people. There is a lot politicians can do. We heard that a number of

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people have been injured on bikes recently, particularly associated

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with heavy goods vehicles. More could be done to ensure the safety

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of heavy goods vehicles, the safety equipment. The government should be

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doing more rather than that stating for longer heavy goods vehicles.

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What is your view on cycling, is it a priority? We all want to encourage

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cycling, we want to help make it safer. It is a long-term plan, there

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are a lot of things you can do in engineering of roads, it is a slow

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process because you have to take more account of the needs of

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cyclists. You have to take account of cycling deaths rising by 10%.

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acknowledge that, I made the point in the House of Commons. One of the

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elements of cycling was the rising death. But you scrapped road safety

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targets. It has been very much criticised by the Road safety

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industry. The overall fertility 's were down last year. -- fatalities.

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A lot of cyclists won't see it that way, they think they are under

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threat from Article eight of lorries and all sorts of things. When we are

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doing that, we are making money available to local authorities to be

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able to take those measures. I also want to see the money that George

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Osborne made available in the autumn statement, that we start engineering

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cycling into our future plans. Should the wearing of safety helmets

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be compulsory now? I encourage people to do it, I'm not sure we

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need a law, I think people should have the choice. I always wear a

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cycle helmet but I know that in other parts of the world where they

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have introduced compulsory helmets it has led to a reduction in the

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number of people cycling, and that isn't what we want. The evidence is,

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don't have a law but do encourage people. Chris was telling us in the

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film that he welcomes the government 's cycle to work scheme, this tax

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concession. Is that going to be further encouraged by the

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government? We will look at many measures, we are seeing schemes,

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putting money available for them, we will look at that. I still sure what

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the Labour policy is? -- not sure. With any new transport scheme, there

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should be a cycling safety assessment as part of that, to make

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sure it is safe. We think the proportion of the road but it should

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be used to improve cycling infrastructure, like looking at

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dangerous junctions. They should restore road safety targets and

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scrap the plan to have longer heavy goods vehicles, they need to improve

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the safety of HGVs. Are you a cyclist? I'm afraid not. I cycle

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every day to work. Time for a round-up of some of the

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other political stories in the East Midlands this week - in 60 seconds

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Council wants meetings broadcast on the Internet after what he said was

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shocking behaviour by the Labour opposition. He made the announcement

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after an unruly council meeting this month. The East Midlands has a third

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MP on Labour 's governing the, the National executive committee. John

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Ashwood joins Dennis Skinner and Margaret Beckett. The euro

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referendum has already happened in Derbyshire. On a tour of the Toyota

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plant, Nick Clegg asked for a show of hands. Should we remain in the

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European Union? Hands up who thinks we should go out of it? Only a

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handful they did to leave, and as he pointed out, perhaps not surprising

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in a company that exports 85% of its cars to mainland Europe. -- voted to

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leave. We may see more of this straw

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polls. In or out, in the EU? We saw that the Toyota workers understand

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the importance of knowing what is happening, and they want people to

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invest in the UK, they want the certainty of knowing we are part of

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it. I figure we need to stay in. Renegotiation, better deal for the

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United Kingdom, and in. That is my line. We are heading for the summer

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recess. Plans for the months ahead? In the nobles stacked away? I have

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several which I'm forward to reading. The job of Secretary of

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state means you are still on duty throughout summary says months, but

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I am making my West Italy through the official biography of Margaret

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