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Morning, welcome to the veritable pot pourri that is this morning's | :00:37. | :00:46. | |
Sunday Politics. We have Alastair Charmichael. We'll ask him what he | :00:46. | :00:52. | |
has that his predecessor Michael Moore hadn't. Ken Clarke just keeps | :00:52. | :00:56. | |
going on and on and on. He'll bang his drum for Europe. | :00:56. | :01:03. | |
Free of the shackles of Government, former Energy Secretary Chris Huhne | :01:03. | :01:06. | |
will be with us. We'll ask him for the inside scoop. | :01:06. | :01:08. | |
And in the East Midlands, in Black Diane | :01:08. | :01:13. | |
And in the East Midlands, in Black History Month we look at the | :01:13. | :01:16. | |
community that feels let down by politicians. And we've got the local | :01:16. | :01:19. | |
winners and losers in the reshuffles. | :01:19. | :01:21. | |
says we've misunderstood the problem of human trafficking and that men | :01:21. | :01:30. | |
are the forgotten victims. And | :01:30. | :01:35. | |
are the forgotten victims. pundits who we try to shuffle out of | :01:35. | :01:38. | |
a job but failed miserably, Mick watt, Miranda Green Andijan an | :01:38. | :01:44. | |
Ganesh. They'll Tweet like mad as if Is Ed Miliband's Labour Party moving | :01:44. | :01:56. | |
chid owe Cabinet reshuffle was seen a a shift to the lot of. Two have | :01:56. | :02:01. | |
announced policy changes which could Pensions Secretary Rachel Reeves | :02:01. | :02:09. | |
says Labour will be tougher on the Tories. While Tristram Hunt says | :02:09. | :02:14. | |
Labour loves Tory-style free schools after all. Here he is on the BBC | :02:14. | :02:23. | |
viewers. If you are a group of parents, social entrepreneurs, | :02:23. | :02:26. | |
viewers. If you are a group of teachers, interested in setting | :02:26. | :02:28. | |
viewers. If you are a group of school in areas where you need new | :02:28. | :02:31. | |
school place, the Labour Government will be on your side. That's free | :02:31. | :02:33. | |
enterprise and innovation. It will will be on your side. That's free | :02:33. | :02:40. | |
be in areas of need. We have a school places crisis going on. It | :02:40. | :02:45. | |
teachers in these schools. And accountability. What is going on | :02:46. | :02:59. | |
with the Al Madina school is because of terrible mistakes with Michael | :02:59. | :03:07. | |
changed, the change of tone is I'm not sure if the policies have | :03:07. | :03:10. | |
changed, the change of tone is remarkable, both on welfare and | :03:10. | :03:12. | |
changed, the change of tone is schools. A significant change of | :03:12. | :03:16. | |
reshuffle on the Labour frontbench last week was init wered as a purge | :03:16. | :03:23. | |
of Blair rights. It seemed to be a purge of anti-reform thinking. | :03:23. | :03:31. | |
Rachel Reeves was not saying anythi different on substance but saying | :03:31. | :03:35. | |
Labour will be tough than the Tories on welfare. You've seen that clip | :03:35. | :03:41. | |
from Tristram, free schools will be allowed to be set up in areas of | :03:41. | :03:47. | |
need. Greater oversight. But a completely different change of tone, | :03:47. | :03:51. | |
we are on the side of parents and social entrepreneurs who want to set | :03:51. | :03:57. | |
these up. A different change. Why are they doing this? On education, | :03:58. | :04:06. | |
polarised. You've had the Michael department. This weekend, we've | :04:06. | :04:11. | |
polarised. You've had the Michael leaked memos from one of Michael | :04:11. | :04:13. | |
Gove's advisers which are extreme views about the state of education. | :04:14. | :04:18. | |
And on the other side teaching unions. It hasn't led to a healthy | :04:18. | :04:24. | |
debate which represents what parents want out of schools or employers. | :04:25. | :04:29. | |
This is a huge move from the Labour Party to sound more reasonable. | :04:29. | :04:33. | |
This is a huge move from the Labour have been silent on education which | :04:33. | :04:37. | |
is a huge policy area on the left. Is this a focus group-driven change? | :04:37. | :04:45. | |
They've seen the polls. Welfare reforms are hugery popular and free | :04:45. | :04:55. | |
changing the policy substantially. I always thought a test for this | :04:55. | :05:00. | |
Labour reshuffle was not whether Ed Miliband would promote Blair rights, | :05:00. | :05:04. | |
it is clear he did, it is whether they would be allowed to be Blair | :05:04. | :05:09. | |
rights. When Stephen Twigg carried the education portfolio it was clear | :05:09. | :05:14. | |
his own views were closer to the Government than he was allowed to | :05:14. | :05:18. | |
let on. He was constrained. There is no point of giving Tristram Hunt | :05:18. | :05:22. | |
this job if he is not allowed to say what he thinks. I wouldn't mind | :05:22. | :05:26. | |
betting privately he thinks free schools should be available beyond | :05:26. | :05:32. | |
just areas of need. He hasn't yet defined need. It could be, we've run | :05:32. | :05:40. | |
schools are so bad we need schools. If that is it, it is the same Asics | :05:40. | :05:49. | |
itsing Government policy. In they unsatisfactory that's no different. | :05:49. | :05:58. | |
He wanted to say he was in favour of higher educational standards and | :05:59. | :06:01. | |
rigour, he had to tell the audience he has a Cambridge PhD to attack | :06:01. | :06:07. | |
Michael Gove. That was difficult for Tristram Hunt he had to mention | :06:07. | :06:12. | |
that. Is that worth something, a PhD from Cambridge? Obviously to him it | :06:12. | :06:22. | |
is. He said they would demand proper teaching qualifications. That could | :06:22. | :06:29. | |
teaching? Independent schools do not have to have teachers with formal | :06:29. | :06:35. | |
teaching qualifications. I've never been to one? What about you? That | :06:35. | :06:41. | |
decision by Michael Gove to allow free schools to employ nonunionised | :06:41. | :06:49. | |
and non-trained people, so he has to Watch this space. The dust settled | :06:49. | :06:56. | |
after the party resufficients. Do the Tories look a bit more like | :06:56. | :07:03. | |
Britain. Do the Tories look more #4 With reshuffles, you're never | :07:03. | :07:13. | |
really certain. There's whispers, rumours, guesses. But the only way | :07:13. | :07:17. | |
to know it is underway is keeping beady eyes on a front door. Up until | :07:17. | :07:24. | |
now, the only way we knew who was in and who was out was who came walking | :07:24. | :07:27. | |
down this bit of Downing Street and who was out was who came walking | :07:27. | :07:31. | |
a smile on their face after going to see the boss. The once who are to be | :07:31. | :07:35. | |
sacked, they usually go round the back. Not this time. No, something | :07:35. | :07:42. | |
new alerted us all. The-PM started can't remember a triple decker | :07:42. | :07:49. | |
reshuffle where you've three parties changing ministerial teams at the | :07:49. | :07:55. | |
resufficient happened on Twitter. Not that the press stopped watching | :07:55. | :07:59. | |
the door as well. News was a bit Charmichael replaced Michael Moore, | :07:59. | :08:08. | |
the first to be pounced on. I'm disappointed to be leaving office | :08:08. | :08:12. | |
now but pleased at what I've been able to achieve in the last couple | :08:12. | :08:17. | |
of years. Not as pleased as one imagines as the man receiving the | :08:17. | :08:20. | |
welcome that went on, and on and simultaneously having Jeremy Browne, | :08:20. | :08:38. | |
in a sense seen off the premises of the Home Office in conspiracy to let | :08:38. | :08:48. | |
# Blowing hi Jude through a traffic Democrats. We tend to think they are | :08:48. | :09:00. | |
herbivorous. Sacking a Cabinet Minister, another minister, Jeremy | :09:00. | :09:04. | |
Browne. By lunch time, the Tory ranks were shifting too. The PM | :09:04. | :09:08. | |
Browne. By lunch time, the Tory to boost the numbers of telegenic | :09:08. | :09:10. | |
women walking into Government and turning perceptions around. He | :09:10. | :09:14. | |
tipped a so-called flatcap to men backgrounds with room for some which | :09:14. | :09:21. | |
fitted neither label but are friends of George Osborne. And, all the | :09:22. | :09:23. | |
while, those new Tory ministers of George Osborne. And, all the | :09:23. | :09:30. | |
learning of Labour's changes. Labour too knows the value of new young | :09:30. | :09:34. | |
blood striding into the limelight. Again some with TV experience of | :09:34. | :09:41. | |
that. Tristram Hunt and Gloria de peer row would be hard to describe | :09:41. | :09:42. | |
as hard left. But Blairbrushing peer row would be hard to describe | :09:42. | :09:47. | |
past out of the picture seemed to be the name of the day. Liam Byrne | :09:47. | :09:55. | |
With Diane Abbott also gone, was this really a Blair right cull? It | :09:55. | :09:59. | |
depends what you mean. Blair right used to mean someone who wanted | :09:59. | :10:03. | |
depends what you mean. Blair right Blair to be leader of the Labour | :10:03. | :10:05. | |
Party. Somebody who worked closely with him. Now it means sometimes | :10:05. | :10:07. | |
people who believe in a certain with him. Now it means sometimes | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
of ideologyies or ideas. There are still very much those kind of Blair | :10:11. | :10:14. | |
rights within the party. But we still very much those kind of Blair | :10:14. | :10:17. | |
seeing the group around Tony Blair are not long assassin flew enjoys as | :10:17. | :10:24. | |
they once were. By evening, it was over. New bees were sharing the | :10:24. | :10:31. | |
ministers quietly thanked commits raters. Or -- commiserators. Or | :10:31. | :10:45. | |
ministers quietly thanked commits disified. How much much someone | :10:45. | :10:47. | |
standing here might want it to be the case, you are unlikely to get | :10:47. | :10:54. | |
someone coming out of that do going "how could." And running off crying! | :10:54. | :11:01. | |
And the brand, spanking new Scottish Secretary Alastair Charmichael joins | :11:01. | :11:08. | |
us from Orkney on a line that hasn't been used since the fleet was used | :11:08. | :11:15. | |
in the outbreak of World War I! I wasn't around at the time. I'm | :11:15. | :11:17. | |
hearing you loud and clear. Why wasn't around at the time. I'm | :11:17. | :11:20. | |
you agreed to run a department? wasn't around at the time. I'm | :11:20. | :11:25. | |
you wanted to abolish six years wasn't around at the time. I'm | :11:25. | :11:30. | |
Hello? Maybe our connections are not Charmichael. Can you hear me? I | :11:30. | :11:36. | |
Hello? Maybe our connections are not hear you now. There was a nasty | :11:36. | :11:39. | |
second there where you disappeared. Let me try the question again. Why | :11:39. | :11:43. | |
have you agreed to run a department you wanted to abolish six years | :11:43. | :11:49. | |
have you agreed to run a department Because this is the, probably one of | :11:49. | :11:51. | |
the most important jobs in British politics at the moment. To ensure | :11:51. | :11:57. | |
that Scotland remains part of the UK. Even when I was talking about | :11:57. | :12:03. | |
the reconfiguration of rep sen Taigs of Scotland -- representation of | :12:03. | :12:07. | |
Scotland within Whitehall, there was always a job to be done. That is | :12:07. | :12:12. | |
true in spades now. I will focus on making sure the UK Government has a | :12:12. | :12:14. | |
real voice in that debate. What making sure the UK Government has a | :12:14. | :12:18. | |
you that Michael Moore didn't have? Look, I think Michael Moore did | :12:18. | :12:23. | |
you that Michael Moore didn't have? excellent job. The work he did | :12:23. | :12:25. | |
delivering the Edinburgh agreement clear legal and decisive referendum, | :12:25. | :12:35. | |
the work delivering extra powers to substantial piece of work. I'm not | :12:35. | :12:39. | |
friend of mine. I will say that substantial piece of work. I'm not | :12:40. | :12:47. | |
we go forward into this, this is now about the actual debate itself. | :12:47. | :12:51. | |
we go forward into this, this is now will be putting the case, with some | :12:51. | :12:55. | |
passion, I hope, for Scotland to just some abstract debate about | :12:55. | :13:03. | |
nationhood, sovereignty, this is a their livelihoods, the cost of their | :13:03. | :13:10. | |
mortgage. That and an awful lot challenge. I understand that. But if | :13:10. | :13:20. | |
you're being put in there to save the union, every pole has the no -- | :13:20. | :13:27. | |
poll has the no campaign margin alley ahead. Mr Moore was doing | :13:27. | :13:32. | |
pretty well to save the union. I suspect you've been given the job to | :13:32. | :13:34. | |
Scotland? And lieu, you misread suspect you've been given the job to | :13:34. | :13:42. | |
situation if you -- Andrew, you misread the situation new think | :13:42. | :13:46. | |
anybody is going to be the person who will save the union. The people | :13:46. | :13:50. | |
who will save the union are the people of Scotland if they turn | :13:50. | :13:53. | |
who will save the union are the next year and vote to save the | :13:53. | :13:55. | |
union. We have to put the case for that. That is what I will be doing. | :13:55. | :14:01. | |
Look at the position of your own party. You came fourth in the last | :14:01. | :14:06. | |
Scottish parentry elections. You were even behind the Conservatives. | :14:06. | :14:13. | |
The latest poll has you still in fourth. Are you there because you're | :14:13. | :14:21. | |
a bruiser and you will pep up the Liberal Democrats opportunity in | :14:21. | :14:24. | |
Scotland. If I had a pound for everybody to referred to me as being | :14:25. | :14:29. | |
Scotland. If I had a pound for a bruiser, I wouldn't need to be | :14:29. | :14:29. | |
sitting here this morning. I could a bruiser, I wouldn't need to be | :14:29. | :14:33. | |
have retired by now. The truth of this, if I can address it once and | :14:33. | :14:38. | |
for all, I have done probably one of the most complex and subtle jobs in | :14:38. | :14:44. | |
three-and-a-half years, Liberal Democrat Chief Whip in a Coalition | :14:44. | :14:50. | |
survived in that job a week, let alone three-and-a-half years, if I | :14:50. | :14:53. | |
was the sort of person who went around picking unnecessary fights. | :14:53. | :14:59. | |
So, can we just please forget about this business about being a bruiser. | :14:59. | :15:03. | |
As far as the position of the party in the polls, this is true also | :15:03. | :15:07. | |
As far as the position of the party the referendum vote, opinion polls | :15:07. | :15:10. | |
are a snapshot. They are not a prediction of what will happen in | :15:10. | :15:13. | |
the future. I will be out there putting the case. Neither the next | :15:13. | :15:19. | |
election nor the referendum is one or lost yet. One of the things I | :15:19. | :15:24. | |
really want to be guarding against because we are a good margin ahead | :15:24. | :15:31. | |
today, 12 months out from the actual polling day, that it is in the bag. | :15:31. | :15:39. | |
Believe me, Andrew, it is not. As you know, wasn't for the Liberal | :15:39. | :15:42. | |
Democrats. Not just talking about the polls. You came fourth in the | :15:42. | :15:52. | |
You said you were happy to facial ex-Salmond in a TV debade. Should | :15:52. | :16:02. | |
David Cameron face him? I am happy debate. Should David Cameron face | :16:02. | :16:14. | |
him? No, because that allows Alex Nationalists to portray this as | :16:14. | :16:18. | |
him? No, because that allows Alex sort of contest or choice between a | :16:18. | :16:22. | |
vision of Scottish social democracy and English conservativism, which it | :16:22. | :16:24. | |
is not. This is a debate that has to is not. This is a debate that has to | :16:24. | :16:29. | |
be held in Scotland about the future of Scotland amongst Scots. David | :16:29. | :16:37. | |
Cameron has a very important part in Scotland's public life, but he is | :16:37. | :16:42. | |
not Scottish and I think he will accept Commies edit himself in fact, | :16:42. | :16:47. | |
the person who should be debating Darling. He has got a Scottish name | :16:47. | :16:56. | |
wealthiest of Scotland at some stage the campaign to keep the union | :16:56. | :17:07. | |
together as lacking passion, were you referring to the campaign or | :17:07. | :17:16. | |
referring to Alistair Darling. I think what I was saying is that | :17:16. | :17:23. | |
referring to Alistair Darling. I we move into this new stage, and | :17:23. | :17:29. | |
Alistair Darling said it himself, we are now campaigning for people | :17:29. | :17:32. | |
Alistair Darling said it himself, we hearts because if you look at the | :17:32. | :17:36. | |
range of papers the Government has published, it is pretty clear the | :17:37. | :17:42. | |
arguments lie in relation to the head. I am not giving up the battle | :17:42. | :17:53. | |
for the hearts and Scotland because there is a good strong case, as | :17:53. | :17:57. | |
somebody who is proud to be Scottish and to be British, for Scotland | :17:57. | :18:02. | |
somebody who is proud to be Scottish remain part of the UK. You come | :18:02. | :18:08. | |
somebody who is proud to be Scottish distilleries and I understand you | :18:08. | :18:14. | |
celebratory drink for your new post. Not a drop has touched my lips. | :18:14. | :18:20. | |
celebratory drink for your new post. supporting local business! I will be | :18:20. | :18:21. | |
making up for lost time on the supporting local business! I will be | :18:21. | :18:26. | |
of November, I will be doing it supporting local business! I will be | :18:26. | :18:28. | |
aid of Macmillan Cancer care and if website, they can donate. It is | :18:28. | :18:35. | |
worthwhile. I cannot think of a better cause. One Cabinet minister | :18:35. | :18:38. | |
who many thought might get Reef better cause. One Cabinet minister | :18:39. | :18:50. | |
Clarke. Welcome to Sunday Politics. This reshuffle was about new blood, | :18:50. | :18:53. | |
minorities, where did you fit in? I minorities, where did you fit in? I | :18:53. | :19:02. | |
would describe myself as the elder statesman, to be polite, but it | :19:02. | :19:08. | |
would describe myself as the elder difficult to replace them. I enjoy | :19:08. | :19:10. | |
it. It is a great privilege to have a role in Cabinet and I will carry | :19:10. | :19:13. | |
on as long as David wants me to a role in Cabinet and I will carry | :19:13. | :19:18. | |
I have seen many reshuffles, they are dreadful and I seem to have | :19:18. | :19:26. | |
Cameron talk to you before this have had expected a phone call, | :19:26. | :19:37. | |
asking, how do you think about stepping down, but he didn't and my | :19:37. | :19:47. | |
role is one of giving my wit and wisdom to the Cabinet and meetings | :19:47. | :19:51. | |
of the Security Council so he has got to put up with me a bit longer. | :19:51. | :19:56. | |
You said you are going to stand again at the next election, why | :19:56. | :20:02. | |
You said you are going to stand you keep going? What do you hope to | :20:02. | :20:05. | |
achieve in politics? I am mostly a political anorak, I have been since | :20:05. | :20:10. | |
I was very small, by the process of politics but the older I get I get | :20:10. | :20:16. | |
governance of the country and at the moment the combination of problems | :20:16. | :20:20. | |
is quite appalling. The difficulty of tackling the modern world is | :20:20. | :20:24. | |
is quite appalling. The difficulty difficult and I find it fascinating. | :20:25. | :20:28. | |
The old argument that attracts every decent person into politics, you | :20:28. | :20:29. | |
might be able sometimes to make decent person into politics, you | :20:29. | :20:34. | |
bit of difference, and I try to decent person into politics, you | :20:34. | :20:37. | |
that. I try not to hark back on decent person into politics, you | :20:37. | :20:39. | |
experience but we will have a lot of tough problems which I think the | :20:39. | :20:43. | |
Conservative Government will have to tackle. You opposed referenda on | :20:43. | :20:50. | |
Maastricht, the Lisbon Treaty, you were even against one on Britain | :20:50. | :20:56. | |
adopting the euro. It must follow that you are against the referenda | :20:56. | :21:03. | |
on Britain's membership to the EU? I accountable to the long-term and | :21:03. | :21:12. | |
representatives, but this is a minority now and my colleagues have | :21:12. | :21:18. | |
firmly decided a referendum needs to be held to settle the question of | :21:18. | :21:23. | |
Britain's relationship with the European Union which I think is | :21:23. | :21:27. | |
Britain's relationship with the of the most important things in | :21:27. | :21:31. | |
Britain's place in the modern world politicians are able to look after | :21:31. | :21:37. | |
the living standards, the economy, the safety against terrorism. Last | :21:37. | :21:44. | |
the living standards, the economy, summer you said that only extreme | :21:44. | :21:48. | |
nationalists wanted a silly EU referendum. It follows your party | :21:48. | :21:57. | |
nationalists. The people who are desperate to have a referendum are | :21:57. | :22:02. | |
all the people who actually want to referendum will involve the public | :22:02. | :22:08. | |
and people like me have got to get across to the public, don't just | :22:08. | :22:11. | |
feel angry about the last thing across to the public, don't just | :22:11. | :22:16. | |
commission is or is not doing, do commission is or is not doing, do | :22:16. | :22:21. | |
bear in mind this is our base in the modern world. We happen to be a | :22:21. | :22:28. | |
leading member, almost as valuable and rich as the Americans, from | :22:28. | :22:35. | |
influence in events. That is not just how the politicians get on | :22:35. | :22:40. | |
influence in events. That is not politicians look after us when we | :22:40. | :22:47. | |
spilling over from the Middle East, or we face public services being | :22:47. | :22:51. | |
threatened. You didn't even turn up to vote for the bill which will | :22:51. | :22:59. | |
threatened. You didn't even turn up engagements on the Friday concerned. | :23:00. | :23:03. | |
It seemed to get through without my participation. You didn't want to be | :23:03. | :23:06. | |
seen voting for something your heart Look, many of your colleagues I | :23:06. | :23:16. | |
seen voting for something your heart interviewed say that if the choice | :23:16. | :23:23. | |
was between the state -- the status quo with the European Union and | :23:23. | :23:28. | |
leaving, they would leave. The truth is that you would vote to stay in | :23:28. | :23:32. | |
even on the status quo, wouldn't supporting the EU to leave now if I | :23:32. | :23:40. | |
got chance. I think our economy supporting the EU to leave now if I | :23:40. | :23:45. | |
investment, as in Washington last been if we were outside the EU. | :23:45. | :23:54. | |
investment, as in Washington last week. We are trying to roll forward | :23:54. | :24:01. | |
the prospect of free trade and I have to reassure Americans that | :24:01. | :24:04. | |
the prospect of free trade and I are not likely to leave the EU to | :24:04. | :24:09. | |
That is true but it also needs reform. The cry for reform, which is | :24:09. | :24:14. | |
particularly Germany, is a good reform. The cry for reform, which is | :24:14. | :24:22. | |
Even if David Cameron came back reform. The cry for reform, which is | :24:22. | :24:24. | |
nothing from Brussels, you would still vote to stay in, correct? | :24:24. | :24:33. | |
one which is dwindling in comparison with others, in the modern world it | :24:33. | :24:39. | |
would be dangerous. I also think the dangers of the Middle East and the | :24:39. | :24:43. | |
dangers of some of the countries disengage. I will take that as a | :24:43. | :24:53. | |
strengthen the case, and of some members of the public don't agree | :24:53. | :25:00. | |
persuaded when David delivers his reforms. The latest poll gives | :25:00. | :25:06. | |
Labour a ten point lead over the Tories and the reason why it has a | :25:06. | :25:10. | |
ten point lead is because UKIP are up there with 18% of the vote and | :25:10. | :25:14. | |
ten point lead is because UKIP are the Tory vote has slumped in the | :25:14. | :25:19. | |
Paul to 27%. How would you see off UKIP? By saying you need a strong | :25:19. | :25:25. | |
Paul to 27%. How would you see off and effective Government. We faced | :25:25. | :25:30. | |
terrible problems. Every Government I have been in has been behind in | :25:30. | :25:35. | |
the polls. This Government is not as popular as the previous Government I | :25:35. | :25:40. | |
have served in under the three previous prime ministers. When you | :25:40. | :25:42. | |
get an election, people have to previous prime ministers. When you | :25:42. | :25:45. | |
themselves who do we want to decide the issues of war and peace in this | :25:45. | :25:52. | |
country? Who do we want to get us out of our economic problems. I | :25:52. | :25:58. | |
don't think Ed Miliband is up to it. That generalised stuff will not | :25:58. | :26:03. | |
don't think Ed Miliband is up to it. off UKIP. People will not listen to | :26:03. | :26:07. | |
that. When people answer an opinion poll, they tell you how annoyed | :26:07. | :26:11. | |
that. When people answer an opinion are by something that has recently | :26:11. | :26:16. | |
upset them, but people are more sensible than this. Every Government | :26:16. | :26:20. | |
I have served in has been behind in the polls. At a general election you | :26:20. | :26:27. | |
have to mobilise the public to start thinking, who do we want to govern | :26:27. | :26:36. | |
us? They did take over a calamitous important problems to be decided | :26:36. | :26:44. | |
going forward. UKIP represents anti-immigration, anti-foreigners, | :26:44. | :26:48. | |
anti-Europe, anti-politics but I don't think it will get 18% of the | :26:48. | :26:51. | |
Thank you. Once upon a time, a politician whose career ended in | :26:51. | :27:25. | |
disgrace might choose to lie low for a while, perhaps to spend a bit | :27:25. | :27:28. | |
disgrace might choose to lie low for time tending the tulips and doing | :27:28. | :27:30. | |
the odd bit of charity work. Not Chris Huhne. He walked free from | :27:30. | :27:31. | |
prison only five months ago but Chris Huhne. He walked free from | :27:31. | :27:34. | |
former Energy Secretary is already back in the public eye - a column in | :27:34. | :27:38. | |
the Guardian, a job with a renewable interview. So is he working on a | :27:38. | :27:42. | |
political rehabilitation? Chris Politics. The answer to that is | :27:42. | :27:46. | |
clearly know, and thank you for inviting me back. You have set your | :27:46. | :27:49. | |
career in politics is over so what does the future hold for you? I | :27:49. | :27:54. | |
career in politics is over so what happy doing what I am doing, I am | :27:54. | :27:57. | |
passionate about green energy and climate change, so I am doing things | :27:57. | :28:02. | |
on that front in terms of business non-governmental organisations, | :28:02. | :28:08. | |
on that front in terms of business I am doing a column for the Guardian | :28:08. | :28:08. | |
on Mondays. You obviously get a I am doing a column for the Guardian | :28:08. | :28:13. | |
of material from the Sunday Politics to write about. Have you embarked on | :28:13. | :28:20. | |
political rehabilitation? It was clear from the point of view of | :28:20. | :28:24. | |
political rehabilitation? It was George when I was sentenced, he | :28:24. | :28:28. | |
rehabilitating you, because I had not offended for ten years, it was | :28:28. | :28:32. | |
actually about stopping people like you, Andrew, Ron doing the same | :28:32. | :28:38. | |
thing. It was a deterrent effect for the public. That is I think why | :28:38. | :28:44. | |
thing. It was a deterrent effect for prosecution was brought. I had not | :28:44. | :28:46. | |
offended for ten years on this, rehabilitate yourself in the public? | :28:46. | :29:17. | |
coalition to the bitter end? Or should they re-establish their own | :29:17. | :29:22. | |
Coalition agreement is for the whole Parliament, and the Lib Dems are | :29:23. | :29:29. | |
going to stay, and should stay. What would be a good result for the Lib | :29:29. | :29:32. | |
Dems in 2015? The loss of ten, would be a good result for the Lib | :29:32. | :29:40. | |
interesting election because I think you will have essentially three | :29:40. | :29:45. | |
party leaders, all of whom are negative ratings so it will be a | :29:45. | :29:54. | |
battle between the walking wounded. In those circumstances, in my view, | :29:54. | :30:00. | |
the Lib Dems can come out very well. But you will lose seats, won't | :30:00. | :30:11. | |
the Liberal Democrats do badly in next year's European elections, | :30:11. | :30:16. | |
the Liberal Democrats do badly in could come fourth on fifth behind | :30:16. | :30:20. | |
the Greens. Will Nick Clegg's leadership be in jeopardy? I've been | :30:20. | :30:25. | |
in countless cycles where we've had very low poll ratings. The normal | :30:25. | :30:32. | |
pickup to the subsequent general election on average has been 10 | :30:32. | :30:37. | |
percentage points. So he's not in jeopardy? I think Nick will be there | :30:37. | :30:41. | |
at the next general election. I think he'll lead the party into the | :30:41. | :30:44. | |
next general election. I expect we'll do much better than most | :30:44. | :30:51. | |
people think. If we are heading for another hung Parliament, which is | :30:51. | :30:53. | |
what the Liberal Democrats want. Let's be honest, you'd rather be in | :30:53. | :30:58. | |
coalition with the Labour Party than have a repeat of the Conservatives? | :30:58. | :31:02. | |
One of the key things I sawed to colleagues, whatever your personal | :31:02. | :31:07. | |
preference, I used to be a Labour Party member, you can derive from | :31:07. | :31:12. | |
that I'm on the left of centre of the party. I always said to my | :31:12. | :31:18. | |
colleagues in the party, it is absolutely | :31:18. | :31:19. | |
colleagues in the party, it is the we are in politics because we | :31:19. | :31:22. | |
are Liberal Democrats, not because we are either Conservatives or | :31:22. | :31:25. | |
second best Labour. If you don't take that view, you don't have any | :31:25. | :31:31. | |
bargaining position when it comes to coalition. You have to be able, | :31:31. | :31:34. | |
bargaining position when it comes to genuinely, to do a coalition with | :31:34. | :31:37. | |
either of the other parties. I understand that, but you'd prefer | :31:37. | :31:41. | |
Labour? Your personal preference really should not come into this. It | :31:41. | :31:45. | |
is about making sure you get the best possible deal for the things | :31:45. | :31:50. | |
that your voters have voted for. If you get that with one party rather | :31:50. | :31:55. | |
than another, that's fine. You stand up for Liberal Democrat values, not | :31:55. | :31:59. | |
for Conservative or Labour second best values. You said you're keeping | :31:59. | :32:04. | |
up your interest in energy matters. Is Ed Miliband right to promise a | :32:04. | :32:11. | |
temporary price freeze? There's been pop ewe louse posturing. It is not a | :32:11. | :32:17. | |
sensible policy. It was tried in California in 2,000 and 2001 which | :32:17. | :32:22. | |
led to blackouts. We had the Prime Minister promising we should sift | :32:22. | :32:27. | |
everybody automatically to the lowest possible tariff. So | :32:27. | :32:31. | |
unfortunately we're at the stage in the political cycle where we are | :32:31. | :32:37. | |
getting clap trap. You're against the freeze? It is a bad idea when we | :32:37. | :32:42. | |
are trying to encourage investment. When the market can give us some of | :32:42. | :32:46. | |
the lowest gas and electricity prices in Europe. Britain has | :32:46. | :32:50. | |
son-in-law of the lowest? Not our base price? The other European Ian | :32:50. | :32:53. | |
prices are only higher because they put a lot more taxes on to it? Our | :32:53. | :32:58. | |
base energy prices are among the highest in Europe? No, if you look | :32:58. | :33:03. | |
at EU comparisons in what goes out to people's households. That's after | :33:03. | :33:05. | |
all the taxes have been put on them? to people's households. That's after | :33:05. | :33:10. | |
. The Conservatives are claiming there are | :33:10. | :33:13. | |
and these tactics were plain wrong. That is all we have time for. Back | :33:13. | :58:12. | |
to Andrew. That is all we have time for. Back | :58:12. | :58:22. | |
ministerial team this week with That is all we have time for. Back | :58:22. | :58:26. | |
commentators calling it the purge of the Blairites, but one poor lamb who | :58:26. | :58:30. | |
fell victim to this perch was Diane Abbott, not somebody who worshipped | :58:31. | :58:36. | |
at the altar of Tony Blair. Life on the backbenches means she can pursue | :58:36. | :58:40. | |
other interests such as attending the Cheltenham literary Festival, | :58:40. | :58:47. | |
and where she joins us now. Welcome. Why did Ed Miliband fire you? He | :58:47. | :58:51. | |
think the thing that did it for Why did Ed Miliband fire you? He | :58:51. | :58:58. | |
was me coming out on Syria. This was Why did Ed Miliband fire you? He | :58:58. | :59:04. | |
a purge of the Blairites, how did you become collateral damage? I | :59:04. | :59:09. | |
a purge of the Blairites, how did no idea but the fact that I was | :59:09. | :59:11. | |
a purge of the Blairites, how did one member of the front bench to go | :59:11. | :59:14. | |
public about my concerns on Syria probably tipped my enemies in the | :59:14. | :59:21. | |
party machinery over the edge. But he went your way on Syria, in the | :59:21. | :59:25. | |
end he agreed with your line on Syria so why would that be for | :59:25. | :59:32. | |
dismissal? I agree with you - you're fired. Because I actually spoke | :59:32. | :59:36. | |
dismissal? I agree with you - you're and it was the fact that I spoke up, | :59:36. | :59:39. | |
which was like a pebble falling and it was the fact that I spoke up, | :59:39. | :59:48. | |
forest or something. I am glad I spoke up on Syria. He doesn't like | :59:48. | :59:55. | |
people around them than who are outspoken, who speak their minds? I | :59:55. | :00:11. | |
think he's convinced he needs people who read from the scripts. People | :00:11. | :00:14. | |
increasingly upset that even though who read from the scripts. People | :00:14. | :00:20. | |
I was speaking party policy, I was reading from the script. Since Mr | :00:20. | :00:27. | |
Miliband bid you farewell, you've said he's doing his best. Is his | :00:27. | :00:33. | |
best good enough? I am sure it will be. I've always said the Labour | :00:33. | :00:38. | |
Party chose the right Miliband. be. I've always said the Labour | :00:38. | :00:43. | |
will remain loyal to him on the backbenches. You're going to be | :00:43. | :00:49. | |
loyal? However, I want to join in the debate. You're going to be | :00:49. | :00:54. | |
loyal? Absolutely. I was loyal both in public and private when others | :00:54. | :00:58. | |
were bitching about him behind the from the backbenches, I hope to | :00:58. | :01:04. | |
were bitching about him behind the involved in the debate particularly | :01:04. | :01:07. | |
around nick policy. Et's see how loyal you are. You must be happy | :01:07. | :01:11. | |
with all this new tough talk on welfare and free schools? Well, | :01:11. | :01:19. | |
with all this new tough talk on think both Rachel and Tristram are | :01:19. | :01:23. | |
very talented. We're going to have to see how this all plays out. The | :01:23. | :01:27. | |
issue of free schools, they are to see how this all plays out. The | :01:28. | :01:32. | |
thing. But diminishing the role to see how this all plays out. The | :01:32. | :01:34. | |
local authorities is another. There need strong local authorities. I'm | :01:34. | :01:42. | |
local authorities is another. There sure Tristram will be aware of that. | :01:42. | :01:44. | |
As for welfare, I'm sure Rachel knows some of the cuts the Tories | :01:44. | :01:49. | |
have made have been counter prod ublingtive in -- productive in terms | :01:50. | :01:55. | |
of spending. You wouldn't call that your full-hearted endorsement, would | :01:55. | :01:57. | |
you? What are you on, and lieu? your full-hearted endorsement, would | :01:57. | :02:05. | |
haven't seen the detail of Rachel's new position. You have to wait and | :02:05. | :02:10. | |
see the detail. It is in the papers. You haven't stopped reading the | :02:10. | :02:14. | |
papers. It was the Observer. When will you announce you're running for | :02:14. | :02:20. | |
Mayor of London? I have no plans to announce that I'm running for Mayor | :02:20. | :02:25. | |
Mayor of London? I have no plans to of London. No plans. That's what | :02:25. | :02:25. | |
Michael his I will Tyne used to of London. No plans. That's what | :02:25. | :02:29. | |
me. He had no plans to run against Margaret Thatcher. Are these the | :02:29. | :02:34. | |
same kind of plans you have? I know. No, no. I have no plans. You know | :02:34. | :02:41. | |
going for it. Everybody knows you're going for it. Just fess up to your | :02:41. | :02:51. | |
old mate! ! I have no plans to run. If you did run, who would be, what | :02:51. | :02:57. | |
would be your biggest threat other than yourself? I think there's a lot | :02:57. | :03:06. | |
of very talented candidates, David They are all talented. I would have | :03:06. | :03:15. | |
to weigh up the field. What do you think your chances would be of | :03:15. | :03:19. | |
getting the taxi drivers' vote? Well, you know, Andrew, some of | :03:20. | :03:27. | |
getting the taxi drivers' vote? most loyal viewers of This Week | :03:27. | :03:31. | |
getting the taxi drivers' vote? were taxi drivers and their wives. | :03:31. | :03:34. | |
I'm not frightened of reaching out to middle England. You will find if | :03:34. | :03:38. | |
you walk around London sub usual ya, they all know me and they all love | :03:38. | :03:45. | |
This Week. Love This Week. I thought you were going to say they all love | :03:45. | :03:49. | |
you. One person who loves you, is Michael Portillo. He wasn't a happy | :03:49. | :03:54. | |
chappie on Thursday night. You can't see it but you can hear. This is | :03:54. | :04:00. | |
what he said. I was disappointed for her. She had decided to leave this | :04:00. | :04:06. | |
something else in politics. She wanted to do something serious. | :04:06. | :04:11. | |
something else in politics. She had taken what appeared to be a | :04:11. | :04:13. | |
something else in politics. She position but taken it extremely | :04:13. | :04:15. | |
serious and was committed to the issues. I'm quite disappointed for | :04:15. | :04:22. | |
her. Why would Ed Miliband do such a thing. You just mentioned about | :04:22. | :04:28. | |
London mayor, did Diane not ask thing. You just mentioned about | :04:28. | :04:36. | |
Someone who's an eminent person thing. You just mentioned about | :04:37. | :04:39. | |
this programme, I don't know how he could do that. I think Michael's | :04:39. | :04:43. | |
missing you. Are you free this Thursday night? Make him a happy | :04:43. | :04:50. | |
man, come back to the fold. I think I may be free this Thursday night. | :04:50. | :04:54. | |
So, if he'll have me, I'll be there. My people will speak to your people. | :04:54. | :04:59. | |
We'll get it sorted out. Diane, watch that big vase behind you, | :04:59. | :05:03. | |
you're not insured for. That thanks Does she have a chance of being | :05:03. | :05:10. | |
Mayor of London? She's very well known as Michael pointed out. That | :05:10. | :05:12. | |
is important. People who are outside known as Michael pointed out. That | :05:12. | :05:19. | |
the party fold have traditionally done well in the mayoral election. | :05:19. | :05:20. | |
The job of being a London mayor done well in the mayoral election. | :05:20. | :05:26. | |
running an economy the size of a nation. It is a very serious job. | :05:26. | :05:30. | |
There may be problems with her running? That was a transparent | :05:30. | :05:38. | |
There may be problems with her for it. She's potentially a very | :05:38. | :05:41. | |
There may be problems with her compelling Coll ticks. People have | :05:41. | :05:49. | |
left-winger but she's quite tough and conservative. Michael Gove said | :05:49. | :05:57. | |
he had fallen in love with Diane which That's one vote he has. What | :05:57. | :06:02. | |
do you think? I thing about Diane Abbott is she has a fantastic way of | :06:02. | :06:08. | |
connecting. She has a really good way of connecting wi people. She | :06:08. | :06:12. | |
would be a very strong candidate in candidate. It will probably be a | :06:12. | :06:20. | |
Labour win next time. Depends, if Labour wins the 2015 election it may | :06:20. | :06:25. | |
be more difficult. There's a danger for Labour that Diane is the big | :06:25. | :06:30. | |
personality liked by the party primary but isn't necessarily a | :06:30. | :06:35. | |
personality liked by the party in come the London general election? | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
That's true. London is traditionally a Labour city. But Boris managed to | :06:39. | :06:45. | |
win as an outsider. There are big dangers for Labour with that. I | :06:45. | :06:50. | |
think, as I said before, somebody who seems a bit independent from | :06:50. | :06:54. | |
their own party machinery tend to do We've only had mayors so far that | :06:54. | :07:03. | |
were independent? Indeed. And how well Ken Livingstone did last time. | :07:04. | :07:05. | |
Not that far behind bar Is Johnson. well Ken Livingstone did last time. | :07:05. | :07:09. | |
Not that far behind bar Is Johnson. He was and is much more left-wing | :07:09. | :07:11. | |
than Diane Abbott. Diane didn't He was and is much more left-wing | :07:11. | :07:20. | |
stray on Syria, it was immigration. Why was Jeremy brown replaced by | :07:20. | :07:28. | |
This is very much to do with Clegg deciding he has to go back to those | :07:28. | :07:33. | |
people who abandoned the Liberal Democrats the day they went into | :07:33. | :07:37. | |
coalition with the Conservatives really, and convince them there | :07:37. | :07:42. | |
coalition with the Conservatives some holy areas of policy, sacred | :07:42. | :07:46. | |
areas which they will defend. That includes civil liberties. In the | :07:46. | :07:48. | |
Home Office, that incident with includes civil liberties. In the | :07:48. | :07:51. | |
immigration vans went down very badly across the whole nation. Went | :07:51. | :07:57. | |
down particularly badly with Liberal somebody there to put a shield on | :07:57. | :08:11. | |
purpose behind it. And Nick Clegg has won the argument against the | :08:11. | :08:14. | |
left, Vince Cable on the economy, away day in July, briefings say | :08:14. | :08:19. | |
DrCable's been put in his box. He's won the argument on economic policy | :08:19. | :08:21. | |
against the left. When it comes won the argument on economic policy | :08:21. | :08:26. | |
the touchstone issue in the Home Office, he wants to shore up that | :08:26. | :08:30. | |
vote on the left. And please The Guardian. This is important for | :08:30. | :08:36. | |
something else going on which is that Nick Clegg has to keep his | :08:36. | :08:41. | |
parliamentary party happy. That involves giving them ministerial | :08:41. | :08:45. | |
jobs. A lot of Liberal Democrats losing their jobs, Michael Moore, | :08:45. | :08:54. | |
because vacancies have to be created for number people to come in. By | :08:54. | :09:03. | |
Liberal Democrat MPs will have been on the payroll. It is effective | :09:03. | :09:08. | |
party management. I want to move on to press regulation. Brian Leveson's | :09:08. | :09:14. | |
famous report, appeared before the parliamentary select committee. | :09:14. | :09:19. | |
famous report, appeared before the will run you a clip from Connor | :09:19. | :09:28. | |
politicians got involved in this. We moved away from the press 300 years | :09:28. | :09:34. | |
ago. The centr commitment is Lord Leveson wanted a system the press | :09:34. | :09:42. | |
self-regulation. This is state involvement which I worry about | :09:42. | :09:47. | |
profoundly. He sits on the media interviews and investigations into | :09:47. | :09:54. | |
the media. Chris Huhne said earlier he thought all the newspapers would | :09:54. | :09:57. | |
sign up to the Government-backed Royal Charter. I think he's totally | :09:57. | :10:05. | |
should. But he did say they would. I think he's wrong. They won't sign | :10:05. | :10:10. | |
up. All the mood music when that Royal Charter was agreed on Friday | :10:10. | :10:13. | |
was they would not sign up. It is Maria Miller, is essentially saying | :10:13. | :10:20. | |
to the press industry, if you don't sign up, the Royal charter will | :10:21. | :10:24. | |
to the press industry, if you don't ahead. I cannot control the Labour | :10:24. | :10:30. | |
to the press industry, if you don't industry is wind the clock back | :10:30. | :10:31. | |
to the press industry, if you don't what they are calling the Puttnam | :10:31. | :10:35. | |
stage. That was earlier this year, Lord Puttnam was tack amendments | :10:35. | :10:42. | |
which would introduce statutory regulation. Maria Miller says you | :10:42. | :10:51. | |
statutory legislation but if you don't sign up to this, it will be a | :10:51. | :10:57. | |
lot worse. Will that work? Playing the good cop, bad cop routine? Will | :10:57. | :11:03. | |
that pressurise everyone to sign up. Lots of people are saying this will | :11:03. | :11:07. | |
be a club with no members. It won't work. As Nick and I broke the story | :11:07. | :11:12. | |
last week that the Government was going to reject the newspaper-backed | :11:12. | :11:18. | |
one, I'm certain that the newspapers now, most of them maybe, not all, | :11:18. | :11:24. | |
but most, will go the legal route and to judicial review on what the | :11:24. | :11:27. | |
Government's proposing and will and to judicial review on what the | :11:27. | :11:32. | |
it to strains Bowring where freedom of the press is enshrined. They | :11:33. | :11:40. | |
it to strains Bowring where freedom fight this? There is enough fury | :11:40. | :11:42. | |
amongst Fleet Street to result in that. The big political question | :11:42. | :11:46. | |
going forward is which of the party leaders does the press blame the | :11:47. | :11:50. | |
most for the emergence of press regulation? The Tories are very | :11:50. | :11:54. | |
confident they'll blame Ed Miliband the most. They'll target him before | :11:54. | :12:00. | |
2015. David Cameron gave us Brian Leveson. You appoint a judge who | :12:00. | :12:07. | |
shouldn't be surprised with what you got in the Leveson report? I big | :12:07. | :12:13. | |
chunk of press will look at David Cameron saying, you were the guy who | :12:13. | :12:22. | |
intended what will happen. If he had have appointed Brian Leveson. If | :12:22. | :12:32. | |
they face more punitive fines over Labour ale cases they take that | :12:32. | :12:37. | |
they face more punitive fines over Europe. The Daily Mail and the | :12:37. | :12:40. | |
tallest presumably will have to suspend their campaign of Britain to | :12:40. | :12:45. | |
leave the European Convention of suspend that. We must never come out | :12:46. | :12:53. | |
Churchill was behind it. He was indeed. But it is actually a major | :12:53. | :13:00. | |
constitutional issue whether you regulate the press or not. There was | :13:00. | :13:04. | |
constitutional issue whether you a lot of ill feeling that this Marie | :13:04. | :13:08. | |
ya miller statement was snubbing out on Friday afternoon. Somebody said | :13:08. | :13:12. | |
freedom of the press too important to sneak out on afully afternoon. | :13:12. | :13:18. | |
The whole subject should be treated with respect. We've run out of time. | :13:18. | :13:23. | |
I'll be back next Sunday with the Communities Secretary Eric Pickles | :13:23. | :13:27. | |
at our usual time of 11.00am. If | :13:27. | :13:37. |