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Morning, folks. Welcome to the Sunday Politics. | :00:36. | :00:39. | |
Downing Street announces an inquiry into allegations of hardball tactics | :00:40. | :00:42. | |
and intimidation by unions in industrial disputes. That's our top | :00:43. | :00:47. | |
story. Thousands dead. Hundreds of | :00:48. | :00:51. | |
thousands without homes. Millions affected. What is Britain doing to | :00:52. | :00:55. | |
help the Philippines in the wake of Typhoon Haiyan? We'll ask | :00:56. | :00:57. | |
International Development Secretary Justine Greening. | :00:58. | :01:02. | |
Winter is coming and so, it seems, is another crisis in England's | :01:03. | :01:05. | |
hospitals. I'll be asking the Shadow Health Secretary how he'd put a stop | :01:06. | :01:07. | |
to In the East Midlands: The fight for | :01:08. | :01:14. | |
a fair deal for the countryside as campaigners say people living in | :01:15. | :01:17. | |
rural areas pay more council tax but get less money spent | :01:18. | :01:20. | |
fatalities on the capital's streets, and renewed calls to get lorries off | :01:21. | :01:22. | |
the roads in peak hours. With me, the best and brightest | :01:23. | :01:36. | |
political panel that money can buy. Janan Ganesh, Nick Watt and this | :01:37. | :01:39. | |
week, Zoe Williams, who'll be tweeting their thoughts throughout | :01:40. | :01:44. | |
the programme. The Government has announced a | :01:45. | :01:47. | |
review to investigate what the Prime Minister has called "industrial | :01:48. | :01:49. | |
intimidation" by trade union activists. Bruce Carr QC will chair | :01:50. | :02:02. | |
a panel to examine allegations of the kind of tactics that came to | :02:03. | :02:04. | |
light during the Grangemouth dispute, when the Unite union took | :02:05. | :02:07. | |
their protests - replete with a giant rat - outside the family homes | :02:08. | :02:14. | |
of the firms' bosses. Earlier this morning the Cabinet office minister, | :02:15. | :02:18. | |
Francis Maude spoke to the BBC and this is what he had to say. To look | :02:19. | :02:23. | |
at whether the law currently works and see if it is ineffective in | :02:24. | :02:27. | |
preventing the kind of intimidatory activity that was alleged to have | :02:28. | :02:32. | |
taken place around range mouth during the previous disputes -- | :02:33. | :02:41. | |
Grangemouth. We make no presumptions at the beginning of this. I do think | :02:42. | :02:46. | |
it is a responsible thing for the government to establish what | :02:47. | :02:51. | |
happened and really do a proper review into whether the law is | :02:52. | :02:55. | |
adequate to meet the needs. That was Francis Maude. This is a purely | :02:56. | :03:01. | |
political move, isn't it? Unite did this a couple of times, it is hardly | :03:02. | :03:06. | |
happening all over the country but the government want to say, we are | :03:07. | :03:09. | |
prepared to investigate Unite properly, Labour isn't. This seemed | :03:10. | :03:16. | |
a lot worse when I thought it was a real rat. I thought it was a giant | :03:17. | :03:23. | |
dead rat. I am not sure if you know much about rats but real rats are | :03:24. | :03:26. | |
not this big, even the ones in London. The thing is, obviously it | :03:27. | :03:32. | |
is naked politics but I think it is more intelligent than it looks. They | :03:33. | :03:38. | |
are trying to taint Miliband as a week union puppet and that doesn't | :03:39. | :03:44. | |
really wash. They hammer away with it and it might wash for some | :03:45. | :03:49. | |
people. But it really castrates Miliband in the important issues he | :03:50. | :03:53. | |
has to tackle. Zero hours, living wage, all of those things in which | :03:54. | :03:57. | |
he needs to be in concert with the unions, and to use their expertise. | :03:58. | :04:03. | |
He is making them absolutely toxic to go anywhere near. It keeps the | :04:04. | :04:16. | |
Unite story alive, have to kill -- particularly since Mr Miller band is | :04:17. | :04:18. | |
under pressure to reopen the investigation into what Unite are up | :04:19. | :04:33. | |
to -- Mr Miliband. They are frustrated, not only at the BBC but | :04:34. | :04:37. | |
the media generally at what they think is a lack of coverage. I see | :04:38. | :04:40. | |
the political rationale from that respect. There is a risk. There are | :04:41. | :04:46. | |
union members who either vote Tory or are open to the idea of voting | :04:47. | :04:51. | |
Tory. All Lib Dem. If the party comes across as too zealous in as -- | :04:52. | :05:04. | |
its antipathy, there is an electoral consequence. Ed Miliband has been | :05:05. | :05:11. | |
careful to keep a distance. Yes they depend on vast amounts of | :05:12. | :05:16. | |
money. When Len McCluskey had a real go at the Blairites, Ed Miliband was | :05:17. | :05:19. | |
straight out there with a very strong statement. Essentially Len | :05:20. | :05:23. | |
McCluskey wanted Blairites in the shadow cabinet sacked and Ed | :05:24. | :05:28. | |
Miliband was keen to distance himself or for that is why it is not | :05:29. | :05:33. | |
quite sticking. Another story in the Sunday papers this morning, the Mail | :05:34. | :05:38. | |
on Sunday got hold of some e-mails. When I saw the headline I thought it | :05:39. | :05:43. | |
was a huge cache of e-mails, it turns out to be a couple. They peel | :05:44. | :05:49. | |
away the cover on the relationship between Ed Miliband and Ed Balls, | :05:50. | :05:56. | |
with some of Ed Miliband's cohorts describing what Mr balls is trying | :05:57. | :06:03. | |
to do as a nightmare. How bad are the relations? They are pretty bad | :06:04. | :06:07. | |
and these e-mails confirm the biggest open signal in Westminster, | :06:08. | :06:10. | |
which is that relations are pretty tense, -- open secret. That Ed | :06:11. | :06:16. | |
Miliband doesn't feel that Ed Balls is acknowledging the economy has | :06:17. | :06:21. | |
grown that Labour needs to admit to past mistakes. The sort of great | :06:22. | :06:28. | |
open signal is confirmed. On a scale of 1-10, assuming that Blair-Brown | :06:29. | :06:36. | |
was ten. I think it is between six and seven. They occupy this joint | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
suite of offices that George Cameron and -- David Cameron and George | :06:41. | :06:46. | |
Osborne had. It is not just on the economy that there were tensions, | :06:47. | :06:50. | |
there were clearly tensions over HS2, Ed Balls put a huge question | :06:51. | :06:57. | |
over it at his conference. There will be more tensions when it comes | :06:58. | :07:00. | |
to the third runway because my information is that Mr balls wants | :07:01. | :07:05. | |
to do it and Ed Miliband almost resigned over it when he was in | :07:06. | :07:11. | |
government. I don't think Ed Miliband is thinking very | :07:12. | :07:13. | |
politically because he has tried live without Ed Balls and that is | :07:14. | :07:19. | |
not tenable either. -- life without. He has defined a way of making it | :07:20. | :07:23. | |
work. That is where Tony Blair had the edge on any modern politician. | :07:24. | :07:28. | |
He didn't want to make Ed Balls his Shadow Chancellor, he had to. | :07:29. | :07:32. | |
Somebody said to him, if you make Ed Balls Shadow Chancellor, that will | :07:33. | :07:35. | |
be the last decision you take as leader of the Labour Party. Is it as | :07:36. | :07:45. | |
bad? I was surprised at how tame the e-mails were. At the FT it is | :07:46. | :07:57. | |
compulsory, one French word per sentence! To call him a nightmare, | :07:58. | :08:01. | |
compared to what they are willing to say in briefings, conversations | :08:02. | :08:06. | |
bits of frustrations they express verbally come what is documented in | :08:07. | :08:09. | |
the e-mails is actually pretty light. It has been a grim week for | :08:10. | :08:15. | |
the people of the Philippines as they count the cost of the | :08:16. | :08:18. | |
devastation wrought by Typhoon Haiyan. HMS Daring has just arrived | :08:19. | :08:24. | |
near the worst hit areas - part of Britain's contribution to bring aid | :08:25. | :08:28. | |
to the country. It has been one of the worst natural | :08:29. | :08:32. | |
disasters in the history of the Philippines. Typhoon Haiyan hit the | :08:33. | :08:35. | |
country nine days ago, leaving devastation in its wake. The numbers | :08:36. | :08:40. | |
involved are shocking. The official death toll is over 3600 people, with | :08:41. | :08:45. | |
many thousands more unaccounted for. More than half a million people have | :08:46. | :08:50. | |
lost their homes and the UN estimates 11 million have been | :08:51. | :08:54. | |
affected. David Cameron announced on Friday that the UK government is to | :08:55. | :08:58. | |
give an extra ?30 million in aid, taking the total British figure ?250 | :08:59. | :09:05. | |
million. An RAF Sea 17 aircraft landed yesterday with equipment to | :09:06. | :09:07. | |
help aid workers get too hard to reach areas. HMS Illustrious is on | :09:08. | :09:13. | |
its way and due to arrive next weekend. The British public have | :09:14. | :09:21. | |
once again dipped into their pockets and given generously. They have | :09:22. | :09:25. | |
given more than ?30 million to the Disasters Emergency Committee. | :09:26. | :09:27. | |
The International Development Secretary, Justine Greening, joins | :09:28. | :09:31. | |
me now for the Sunday Interview Good morning, Secretary of State. | :09:32. | :09:35. | |
How much of the ?50 million that the government has allocated has got | :09:36. | :09:40. | |
through so far? All of it has landed on the ground now. HMS Daring has | :09:41. | :09:45. | |
turned up, that will be able to start getting help out to some of | :09:46. | :09:48. | |
those more outlying islands that have been hard to reach. We have | :09:49. | :09:53. | |
seen Save the Children and Oxfam really being able to get aid out on | :09:54. | :09:57. | |
the ground. We have a plane taking off today that will not read just | :09:58. | :10:02. | |
carrying out more equipment to help clear the roads but will also have | :10:03. | :10:09. | |
their staff on board, too. We have ?50 million of aid actually on the | :10:10. | :10:16. | |
ground? We instantly chartered flights directly from Dubai where we | :10:17. | :10:20. | |
have preprepared human Terry and supplies, and started humanity work | :10:21. | :10:23. | |
-- humanitarian supplies. A lot of it has now arrived. I think | :10:24. | :10:36. | |
we have done a huge amount so far. We have gone beyond just providing | :10:37. | :10:41. | |
humanitarian supplies, to getting the Royal Air Force involved. They | :10:42. | :10:44. | |
have helped us to get equipment out there quickly. We have HMS | :10:45. | :10:49. | |
Illustrious sailing over there now. Why has that taken so long? It was | :10:50. | :10:54. | |
based in the Gulf and is not going to get there until two weeks after | :10:55. | :10:57. | |
the storm first hit and that is the one ship we have with lots of | :10:58. | :11:01. | |
helicopters. The first decision we took was to make sure we could get | :11:02. | :11:05. | |
the fastest vessel out there that was able to help HMS Daring. HMS | :11:06. | :11:10. | |
Illustrious was just finishing an exercise and planning to start to | :11:11. | :11:14. | |
head back towards the UK. We have said to not do that, and diverted | :11:15. | :11:18. | |
it. Shouldn't it have happened more quickly? We took the decisions as | :11:19. | :11:24. | |
fast as we were able to, you can't just turn a big warship around like | :11:25. | :11:29. | |
the HMS Illustrious. We made sure we took those decisions and that is | :11:30. | :11:32. | |
while it will be taking over from HMS Daring come and that is why HMS | :11:33. | :11:38. | |
Daring is ready there. It will be able to provide key support and | :11:39. | :11:42. | |
expertise that has not been there so far. The US Navy is doing the heavy | :11:43. | :11:48. | |
lifting here. The US Navy had the USS Washington, there is an aircraft | :11:49. | :11:52. | |
carrier, 80 planes, 5000 personnel and they have the fleet, they are | :11:53. | :11:57. | |
doing the real work. We obviously helping but the Americans are taking | :11:58. | :12:02. | |
the lead. It is a big international effort. Countries like the US and | :12:03. | :12:06. | |
the UK, that have a broader ability to support that goes beyond simply | :12:07. | :12:14. | |
call humanitarian supplies -- have made sure we have brought our | :12:15. | :12:19. | |
logistics knowledge, we have sent out our naval vessels. It shows we | :12:20. | :12:23. | |
are working across government to respond to this crisis. Why does | :12:24. | :12:32. | |
only just over 4% of your aid budget go on emergency disaster and | :12:33. | :12:36. | |
response? A lot depends on what crises hit in any given year. We | :12:37. | :12:39. | |
have done a huge amount, responding to the crisis in Syria, the conflict | :12:40. | :12:44. | |
there and the fact we have 2 million refugees who have fled the country. | :12:45. | :12:48. | |
We are part of an international effort in supporting them. Shouldn't | :12:49. | :12:54. | |
we beginning more money to that rather than some of the other | :12:55. | :12:57. | |
programmes where it is harder to see the results question of if we were | :12:58. | :13:03. | |
to give more money to the refugees, it would be a visible result. We | :13:04. | :13:07. | |
could see an improvement in the lives of children, men and women. | :13:08. | :13:14. | |
What we need to do is alongside that is stop those situations from | :13:15. | :13:17. | |
happening in the first place. A lot of our development spend is helping | :13:18. | :13:21. | |
countries to stay stable. Look at some of the work we are doing in | :13:22. | :13:25. | |
Somalia, much more sensible. Not just from an immigration but there | :13:26. | :13:32. | |
is a threat perspective. There is a lot of terrorism coming from | :13:33. | :13:36. | |
Somalia. You only have to look at Kenya recently to see that. Which is | :13:37. | :13:42. | |
why you talk about what we do with the rest of the spend. It is why it | :13:43. | :13:46. | |
is responsible to work with the government of Somalia. Should we | :13:47. | :13:52. | |
give more, bigger part of the budget to disaster relief or not? I think | :13:53. | :13:57. | |
we get it about right, we have to be flexible and we are. This Philippine | :13:58. | :14:01. | |
relief is on top of the work in Syria. Where can you show me a | :14:02. | :14:08. | |
correlation between us giving aid to some failed nation, or nearly failed | :14:09. | :14:12. | |
nation, and that cutting down on terrorism? If you look at the work | :14:13. | :14:17. | |
we have done in Pakistan, a huge amount of work. Some of it | :14:18. | :14:20. | |
short-term. It is written by terrorism. That is -- ridden by | :14:21. | :14:28. | |
terrorism. That is not going to fix it self in a sense. Look at the work | :14:29. | :14:36. | |
that we do in investing in education. The things that little | :14:37. | :14:45. | |
girls like Malala talk about as being absolutely key. We are ramping | :14:46. | :14:52. | |
up our aid to Pakistan, it will be close to half ?1 billion by the time | :14:53. | :14:58. | |
of the election. Why should British taxpayers be giving half ?1 billion | :14:59. | :15:05. | |
to a country where only 0.5% of people in Pakistan pay income tax, | :15:06. | :15:09. | |
and 70% of their own MPs don't pay income tax. It is a good point and | :15:10. | :15:19. | |
that is why we have been working with their tax revenue authority to | :15:20. | :15:23. | |
help them increase that and push forward the tax reform. You are | :15:24. | :15:34. | |
right, and I have setup a team that will go out and work with many of | :15:35. | :15:40. | |
these countries so they can raise their own revenues. You really think | :15:41. | :15:44. | |
you will raise the amount of tax by sending out the British HRM see How | :15:45. | :15:57. | |
many troops I we sending out to protect them? They don't need | :15:58. | :16:02. | |
troops. We make sure that we have a duty of care alongside our staff, | :16:03. | :16:16. | |
but we have to respond to any crisis like the Philippines, and alongside | :16:17. | :16:20. | |
other countries we have two work alongside them so that they can | :16:21. | :16:25. | |
reinvest in their own public services. If they can create their | :16:26. | :16:31. | |
own taxes, will we stop paying aid? We need to look at that but the new | :16:32. | :16:36. | |
Pakistan Government has been very clear it is a priority and we will | :16:37. | :16:43. | |
be helping them in pursuing that. Let me show you a picture. Who are | :16:44. | :16:50. | |
these young women? I don't know I'm sure you are about to tell me. They | :16:51. | :16:57. | |
are the Ethiopian Spice Girls and I'm surprised you don't know because | :16:58. | :17:01. | |
they have only managed to become so famous because your department has | :17:02. | :17:09. | |
financed them to the tune of ?4 million. All of the work we do with | :17:10. | :17:13. | |
women on the ground, making sure they have a voice in their local | :17:14. | :17:19. | |
communities, making sure they have some control over what happens to | :17:20. | :17:24. | |
their own bodies in terms of tackling FGM, female genital | :17:25. | :17:33. | |
mutilation... Did you know your department has spent ?4 million on | :17:34. | :17:38. | |
the Ethiopian Spice Girls? Yes, I do, and we have to work with girls | :17:39. | :17:46. | |
and show them there is a life ahead of them with opportunity and | :17:47. | :17:50. | |
potential that goes beyond what many of them will experience, which | :17:51. | :17:54. | |
includes early and forced marriage. It is part of the work we do with | :17:55. | :18:06. | |
local communities to change attitudes everything you have just | :18:07. | :18:10. | |
said is immeasurable, and they broadcast on a radio station that | :18:11. | :18:14. | |
doesn't reach most of the country so it cannot have the impact. It only | :18:15. | :18:26. | |
reaches 20 million people and the project has been condemned saying | :18:27. | :18:26. | |
there were serious inefficiencies. That aid report was done a while ago | :18:27. | :18:35. | |
now, and it was talking about the project when it first got going and | :18:36. | :18:39. | |
a lot of improvements have happened since. I would go back to the point | :18:40. | :18:45. | |
that we are working in very difficult environments where we are | :18:46. | :18:47. | |
trying to get longer term change on the ground and that means working | :18:48. | :18:53. | |
directly with communities but also investing for the long-term, | :18:54. | :18:56. | |
investing in some of these girls start changing attitudes in them and | :18:57. | :19:04. | |
their communities. Why does the British taxpayers spend ?5 million | :19:05. | :19:13. | |
on a Bangladesh version of Question Time? We work with the BBC to make | :19:14. | :19:20. | |
sure we can get accountabilities... That is bigger then the BBC Question | :19:21. | :19:40. | |
Time Normal -- budget. That includes the cost of David Dimbleby's | :19:41. | :19:48. | |
tattoo! We are working to improve people's prospects but also we are | :19:49. | :19:52. | |
working to improve their ability to hold their governments to account so | :19:53. | :19:56. | |
that when they are not getting services on the ground, they have | :19:57. | :20:00. | |
ways they can raise those concerns with the people who are there to | :20:01. | :20:08. | |
deliver services for them. In your own personal view, should the next | :20:09. | :20:12. | |
Conservative Government, if there is one, should you continue to ring | :20:13. | :20:18. | |
fence spending on foreign aid? But it is critical that if we are going | :20:19. | :20:23. | |
to spend 7.7% of our national income, we should make sure it is in | :20:24. | :20:28. | |
our national interest and that means having a clear approach to | :20:29. | :20:32. | |
humanitarian responses, in keeping the country safe, and a clearer | :20:33. | :20:37. | |
approach on helping drive economic development and jobs so there is a | :20:38. | :20:43. | |
long-term end of the dependency Do you believe in an shrine in the | :20:44. | :20:49. | |
percentage of our GDP that goes on foreign aid in law? Yes, and that is | :20:50. | :20:55. | |
a coalition agreement. There have been a lot of agreements that you | :20:56. | :21:05. | |
are sceptical about ring fencing. We are focused on shaking up the | :21:06. | :21:09. | |
economy and improving our public finances. Why haven't you done that? | :21:10. | :21:22. | |
At the end of the day we will be accountable but we are committed to | :21:23. | :21:28. | |
doing that. You are running out of time, will you do it? I hope we can | :21:29. | :21:34. | |
find the Parliamentary time, but even if we don't, we have acted as | :21:35. | :21:40. | |
if that law is in place and we have already met 0.7% commitment. If you | :21:41. | :21:46. | |
are British voter that doesn't believe that we should enshrine that | :21:47. | :21:53. | |
in by law, which means that with a growing economy foreign aid will | :21:54. | :21:57. | |
rise by definition, and if you think we should be spending less money on | :21:58. | :22:01. | |
the Ethiopian Spice Girls, for whom should you wrote in the next | :22:02. | :22:09. | |
election? I think we have a very sensible approach. I don't know what | :22:10. | :22:15. | |
the various party manifestoes.. The only party who thinks we shouldn't | :22:16. | :22:21. | |
be doing this is UKIP. I think you have to look at the response to both | :22:22. | :22:31. | |
the Philippines crisis and Children In Need. Of all the steps we are | :22:32. | :22:38. | |
taking to get the country back on track, it shows the British people | :22:39. | :22:44. | |
will respond to need when they need it and it is one of the things that | :22:45. | :22:51. | |
makes Britain's special. Thank you. "It's always winter but | :22:52. | :22:54. | |
never Christmas" - that's how doctors describe life inside | :22:55. | :22:57. | |
accident and emergency. The College of Emergency Medicine have warned | :22:58. | :22:59. | |
that this year could bring the "worst crisis on record". If that | :23:00. | :23:03. | |
dire prediction comes, expect a spring of political recriminations, | :23:04. | :23:06. | |
but how prepared are the NHS in England? And what do they make of | :23:07. | :23:10. | |
this autumnal speculation? Giles has been to Leeds to find out. | :23:11. | :23:18. | |
This winter has already come to our hospitals. It had an official start | :23:19. | :23:24. | |
date, November the 3rd. That is when weekly updates are delivered to the | :23:25. | :23:33. | |
NHS's most senior planners, alerting them to any sudden changes in | :23:34. | :23:38. | |
patient numbers coming in. Where do they numbers register most then | :23:39. | :23:46. | |
A They are the barometer for what is going on everywhere else, and | :23:47. | :23:50. | |
they are the pressure point, so if the system is beginning to struggle | :23:51. | :23:55. | |
then it is in the A department that we see the problems. It is not | :23:56. | :24:03. | |
that the problems are the A departments, but they are the place | :24:04. | :24:09. | |
where it all comes together. Plans to tackle those problems start being | :24:10. | :24:14. | |
drawn up in May and they look at trends, even taking notice of any | :24:15. | :24:23. | |
flu epidemics in New Zealand. They also look at the amount of bets But | :24:24. | :24:33. | |
the weather, economic realities structural reforms, and changes to | :24:34. | :24:36. | |
the general health of the population, are all factors they | :24:37. | :24:41. | |
have to consider. We get huge amounts of information through the | :24:42. | :24:46. | |
winter in order to help the NHS be the best it can be, but we had to | :24:47. | :24:51. | |
redouble our efforts this year because we expected to be a | :24:52. | :24:56. | |
difficult winter. We know the NHS is stretched so we are working hard to | :24:57. | :25:03. | |
be as good as we can be. That means they are looking at winter staffing | :25:04. | :25:10. | |
levels, plans to ask for help from neighbouring hospitals, and | :25:11. | :25:14. | |
dovetailing help with GP surgeries, and still having the ability to move | :25:15. | :25:20. | |
up an extra gear, a rehearsed emergency plan if the NHS had to | :25:21. | :25:26. | |
face a major disease pandemic. You spend any time in any of our | :25:27. | :25:30. | |
hospitals and you realise the NHS knows that winter is coming and they | :25:31. | :25:35. | |
are making plans, but you also get a palpable feeling amongst health | :25:36. | :25:38. | |
workers across the entire system that they do get fed up of being | :25:39. | :25:46. | |
used as a political football. Doctors and all health care | :25:47. | :25:49. | |
professionals are frustrated about the politics that surrounds the NHS | :25:50. | :25:55. | |
in health care. They go to work to treat patients as best as they can, | :25:56. | :25:58. | |
and the political knock-about does not help anyone. I find it | :25:59. | :26:05. | |
frustrating when there is a commentary that suggests the NHS | :26:06. | :26:08. | |
does not planned, when it is surprised by winter, and wherever | :26:09. | :26:15. | |
that comes from it is hard to take, knowing how much we do nationally | :26:16. | :26:21. | |
and how much our hard working front line staff are doing. When the | :26:22. | :26:30. | |
Coalition have recently tried to open up the NHS to be a more | :26:31. | :26:36. | |
independent body, it is clear the NHS feel they have had an unhealthy | :26:37. | :26:43. | |
dose of political wrangling between parties on policy. The NHS is not | :26:44. | :26:47. | |
infallible or making any guarantees, but they seem confident that they | :26:48. | :26:53. | |
and their patients can survive the winter. | :26:54. | :26:56. | |
Joining me now from Salford in the Shadow Health Secretary, Andy | :26:57. | :27:04. | |
Burnham. Tell me this, if you were health secretary now, you just took | :27:05. | :27:09. | |
over in an emergency election, what would you do to avoid another winter | :27:10. | :27:19. | |
crisis? I would immediately halt the closure of NHS walk-in centres. We | :27:20. | :27:25. | |
heard this week that around one in four walk-in centres are closed so | :27:26. | :27:30. | |
it makes no sense whatsoever for the Government to allow the continued | :27:31. | :27:34. | |
closure of them. I would put nurses back on the end of phones and | :27:35. | :27:40. | |
restore an NHS direct style service. The new 111 service is not in a | :27:41. | :27:47. | |
position to provide help to people this winter. I think the time has | :27:48. | :27:54. | |
come to rethink how the NHS care is particularly for older people so I | :27:55. | :27:58. | |
propose the full integration of health and social care. It cannot | :27:59. | :28:03. | |
make any sense any more to have this approach where we cut social care | :28:04. | :28:09. | |
and let elderly people drift to hospitals in greater numbers. We | :28:10. | :28:13. | |
have two rethink it as a whole service. So you would repeal some of | :28:14. | :28:21. | |
the Tory reforms and move commissioning to local authorities | :28:22. | :28:26. | |
so the NHS should brace itself for another major top-down health | :28:27. | :28:32. | |
reorganisation? No, unlike Andrew Lansley I will work with the | :28:33. | :28:36. | |
organisations ie inherit. He could work with primary care trusts but he | :28:37. | :28:47. | |
turned it upside down when it needed stability. I will not do that but I | :28:48. | :28:53. | |
will repeal the health and social care act because last week we heard | :28:54. | :29:06. | |
that hospitals and health services cannot get on and make sensible | :29:07. | :29:09. | |
merger collaborations because of this nonsense now that the NHS is | :29:10. | :29:16. | |
bound by competition law. Let me get your views on a number of ideas that | :29:17. | :29:20. | |
have been floated either by the press or the Coalition. We haven't | :29:21. | :29:25. | |
got much time. Do you welcome the plan to bring back named GPs for | :29:26. | :29:37. | |
over 75s? Yes, but it has got harder to get the GP appointment under this | :29:38. | :29:41. | |
Government because David Cameron scrapped the 48-hour guarantee that | :29:42. | :29:46. | |
Tony Blair brought in. He was challenged in the 2005 election | :29:47. | :29:51. | |
about the difficulty of getting a GP appointment, and Tony Blair brought | :29:52. | :29:55. | |
in the commitment that people should be able to get that within 48 | :29:56. | :30:02. | |
hours. That has now been scrapped. Do you welcome the idea of allowing | :30:03. | :30:06. | |
everyone to choose their own GP surgery even if it is not in our | :30:07. | :30:14. | |
traditional catchment area? I proposed that just before the last | :30:15. | :30:19. | |
election, so yes. Do you welcome the idea of how a practice is being | :30:20. | :30:22. | |
rated being a matter of public record, and of us knowing how much, | :30:23. | :30:30. | |
at least from the NHS, our GP earns? Of course, every political party | :30:31. | :30:34. | |
supports transparency in the NHS. More information for the public of | :30:35. | :30:38. | |
that kind is a good thing. Do you welcome this plan to make it will | :30:39. | :30:44. | |
form the collect in an NHS hospital -- make wilful neglect a criminal | :30:45. | :30:51. | |
offence. It is important to say you can't pick and mix these | :30:52. | :30:54. | |
recommendations, you can't say we will have that one and not the | :30:55. | :30:58. | |
others. It was a balanced package that Sir Robert Francis put forward. | :30:59. | :31:03. | |
My message is that it must be permitted in full. If we are to | :31:04. | :31:06. | |
learn the lessons, the whole package must be addressed, and that includes | :31:07. | :31:12. | |
safe staffing levels across the NHS. Staff have a responsible to two | :31:13. | :31:17. | |
patients at the government also has responsible at T2 NHS staff and it | :31:18. | :31:20. | |
should not let them work in understaffed, unsafe conditions -- a | :31:21. | :31:33. | |
responsibility to NHS staff. Is there a part of the 2004 agreements | :31:34. | :31:42. | |
that you regret and should be undone? A lot of myths have been | :31:43. | :31:48. | |
built up about the contract. When it came in, there was a huge shortage | :31:49. | :31:53. | |
of GPs across the country. Some communities struggle to recruit. | :31:54. | :31:58. | |
This myth that the government have built, that the 2004 GP contract is | :31:59. | :32:04. | |
responsible for the AM decries is, it is spin of the worst possible | :32:05. | :32:12. | |
kind -- the A crisis. You would redo that contract? It was redone | :32:13. | :32:17. | |
under our time in government and change to make it better value for | :32:18. | :32:22. | |
money. GPs should be focused on improving the health of their | :32:23. | :32:24. | |
patients and that is a very good principle. Not so great if you can't | :32:25. | :32:32. | |
get 24-hour access. I agree with that. We brought in evening and | :32:33. | :32:37. | |
weekend opening for GPs. That is another thing that has gone in | :32:38. | :32:41. | |
reverse under Mr Cameron. It is much harder to get a GP appointment under | :32:42. | :32:44. | |
him and that is one of the reasons why A is an oppressor. -- under | :32:45. | :32:55. | |
pressure. What do you make of the review into intimidatory tactics by | :32:56. | :33:00. | |
unions? If there has been intimidation, it is unacceptable, | :33:01. | :33:04. | |
and that should apply to unions as well as employers. Was Unite wrong | :33:05. | :33:12. | |
to turn up and demonstrate? I don't know the details, this review will | :33:13. | :33:16. | |
look into that presumably. I need reassurance that this is not a | :33:17. | :33:20. | |
pretty cool call by Mr Cameron on the designed to appear near the | :33:21. | :33:23. | |
election -- that this is not a political call. Are you sponsored by | :33:24. | :33:35. | |
unite? No. Do you get any money from Unite? No. What have you done wrong? | :33:36. | :33:44. | |
It seems others are getting money from Unite. Can I tell you what I | :33:45. | :33:51. | |
think is the scandal of British party political funding, two health | :33:52. | :33:54. | |
care companies have given ?1.5 million in donations to the Tory | :33:55. | :34:02. | |
party, they have ?1.5 billion in NHS contracts. I wonder why you don't | :34:03. | :34:06. | |
spend much time talking about that and obsess over trade union funding. | :34:07. | :34:11. | |
We are happy to talk about that. We see from e-mails that Mr Miliband's | :34:12. | :34:18. | |
closest advisers regard Mr Ed Balls as a bit of a nightmare, do you see | :34:19. | :34:23. | |
a bit of a nightmare about him as well? I don't at all, he is a very | :34:24. | :34:29. | |
good friend. I can't believe that you are talking about those e-mails | :34:30. | :34:32. | |
on a national political programme. My goodness, you obviously scraping | :34:33. | :34:38. | |
the barrel today. I have been in front-line labour politics for 20 | :34:39. | :34:42. | |
years. I can't remember the front bench and the wider party being as | :34:43. | :34:46. | |
united as it is today and it is a great credit to Ed Miliband and Ed | :34:47. | :34:50. | |
Balls. We are going into a general election and we are going to get rid | :34:51. | :34:53. | |
of a pretty disastrous coalition government. It was worth spending a | :34:54. | :34:58. | |
few seconds to establish your not having nightmares. Thank you for | :34:59. | :35:01. | |
joining me. It's just gone 11:30am. You're | :35:02. | :35:04. | |
watching the Sunday Politics. Coming up in just over 20 minutes, I'll be | :35:05. | :35:06. | |
talking to the MP accused of In the East Midlands: The fight for | :35:07. | :35:20. | |
a fair deal for the countryside, as campaigners say people living in | :35:21. | :35:23. | |
rural areas pay more council tax but get less money spent on them. The | :35:24. | :35:33. | |
current funding levels are unfair because essentially our residents | :35:34. | :35:38. | |
are less and pay more and get less support from the government. | :35:39. | :35:41. | |
And the unkindest cut of all? The impact budget savings are having on | :35:42. | :35:45. | |
the arts in our region. I don't think it is so much how it will | :35:46. | :35:51. | |
affect the theatre but the region. If you cut back on culture it is not | :35:52. | :35:54. | |
good for the East Midlands in general. | :35:55. | :35:58. | |
Hello, I'm Marie Ashby, and there's a noble air to the programme this | :35:59. | :36:02. | |
week with a Dame and a Knight of the Realm as my guests. Sir Edward | :36:03. | :36:05. | |
Garnier is the Conservative MP for Harborough in Leicestershire and | :36:06. | :36:08. | |
Dame Margaret Beckett, Labour's MP for Derby South. | :36:09. | :36:10. | |
Let's start with the Chancellor, George Osborne, who's been down | :36:11. | :36:13. | |
Thoresby pit in Nottinghamshire. The Chancellor went underground with the | :36:14. | :36:15. | |
Sherwood Conservative MP, Mark Spencer, to talk to miners and hear | :36:16. | :36:19. | |
their concerns after the collapse of UK Coal. He also used the trip to | :36:20. | :36:25. | |
announce that he was finding ?1.8 million a year to help out 2000 | :36:26. | :36:28. | |
former miners and their families who've lost out on concessionary | :36:29. | :36:38. | |
coal allowances from the company. So the Chancellor helping out miners | :36:39. | :36:42. | |
` nothing to do with the fact that Thoresby Pit is in Sherwood, a | :36:43. | :36:54. | |
marginal Tory`held constituency? Well, you would never be cynical. | :36:55. | :36:59. | |
These are people who have lost out through no fault of their own. It | :37:00. | :37:07. | |
wasn't their fault that the pit closed or that the successor body to | :37:08. | :37:12. | |
the coal board has closed. And along with it went there concession. It | :37:13. | :37:20. | |
seems to me to be a sensible and straightforward piece of management. | :37:21. | :37:27. | |
So it makes sense. The think it's good news? Yes, I do. It is part of | :37:28. | :37:35. | |
what has been the background of the way people in the coal industry have | :37:36. | :37:42. | |
been treated for many years. I am pleased and slightly surprised to | :37:43. | :37:51. | |
see this government doing it. Some people say they would like to see | :37:52. | :37:54. | |
more common`sense. This is a lot of money. It is a lot of money but | :37:55. | :38:08. | |
compared to the overall government spend, which is measured in hundreds | :38:09. | :38:12. | |
of billions, I think this is a sensible and humanitarian and | :38:13. | :38:19. | |
genuinely sensible thing to do. I don't think there is any political | :38:20. | :38:24. | |
animus between us. These people lost out because the body that used to | :38:25. | :38:29. | |
get them at has gone. A Tory supporting the miners. Who would | :38:30. | :38:35. | |
have thought? Probably not the miners. Plenty of people would like | :38:36. | :38:47. | |
to see more help. They would and plenty of people would like to see | :38:48. | :38:52. | |
the big six energy suppliers being more transparent in their pricing | :38:53. | :38:55. | |
structures and making them easier to understand. I find it difficult | :38:56. | :39:01. | |
enough to work out which is the best and cheapest tariff so what it must | :39:02. | :39:05. | |
be like to people who don't have access to computers or advice. | :39:06. | :39:11. | |
Anything we can do to reduce the cost of living and energy for | :39:12. | :39:15. | |
individual citizens is to be applauded. Many people say they are | :39:16. | :39:22. | |
not doing enough. Well, the water companies last week talked to their | :39:23. | :39:27. | |
regulator up at price increases and the regulator said they had looked | :39:28. | :39:33. | |
at the calculations and didn't think the price increase was justified. | :39:34. | :39:40. | |
The energy regulator doesn't have those powers, though. We need to | :39:41. | :39:47. | |
sort that out so there is an independent voice and someone who | :39:48. | :39:51. | |
has power to say, no, it is not justified. The price freeze does not | :39:52. | :39:57. | |
take account of world energy prices. I'm sure Ed Miliband is | :39:58. | :40:04. | |
wonderful but he cannot control world energy prices. | :40:05. | :40:13. | |
Now, if you look at the textbooks, they'll tell you politics is about | :40:14. | :40:16. | |
the allocation of scarce resources. And that's never truer than in times | :40:17. | :40:20. | |
of austerity. Well, now a campaign's underway and Edward Garnier is | :40:21. | :40:22. | |
heavily involved to get funding switched from towns and cities to | :40:23. | :40:25. | |
rural areas. According to the campaign, people living in the | :40:26. | :40:28. | |
countryside pay an average of ?76 more in council tax than those in | :40:29. | :40:32. | |
towns and cities and they have 50% less spent on them per head. In | :40:33. | :40:35. | |
Edward Garnier's Harborough Constituency, they're backing the | :40:36. | :40:38. | |
campaign. The current funding levels are | :40:39. | :40:45. | |
unfair here because our residents are less, pay more and get less | :40:46. | :40:49. | |
support from the government. We have service needs, too. We are a rural | :40:50. | :40:56. | |
geography and we have a growing elderly population, transport | :40:57. | :41:01. | |
needs, housing and health needs. We think that if the policy were to be | :41:02. | :41:07. | |
adjusted by a small amount it would equate to around ?1 million per year | :41:08. | :41:09. | |
to the District Council. So that's the view in the | :41:10. | :41:12. | |
countryside, but what do people make of this in the urban areas? Well, at | :41:13. | :41:16. | |
Allenton, in Derby, part of Margaret Beckett's constituency, the fear is | :41:17. | :41:19. | |
that if money is diverted from inner cities back to rural areas, social | :41:20. | :41:23. | |
problems and deprivation will become even worse. | :41:24. | :41:26. | |
Derby has already been devastated by government cuts and we have launched | :41:27. | :41:30. | |
a campaign for a fairer deal for Derby. If more money was taken away, | :41:31. | :41:36. | |
it would devastate communities like Allenton. We have got on top of some | :41:37. | :41:44. | |
problems thanks to the previous government and additional funding | :41:45. | :41:46. | |
but if more funding is taken away I and deeply concerned for the future | :41:47. | :41:57. | |
for places like Allenton. You're one of the main backers of | :41:58. | :42:01. | |
this campaign. But surely, as we've just seen, urban areas, particularly | :42:02. | :42:04. | |
inner cities, need more than leafy rural areas? We are just running up | :42:05. | :42:09. | |
to the autumn statement so all interest groups are lobbying the | :42:10. | :42:12. | |
Chancellor to get a fair crack of the whip. I understand the | :42:13. | :42:19. | |
difficulties of running an inner`city authority just as I | :42:20. | :42:22. | |
understand the difficulties of running a rural authority. The | :42:23. | :42:30. | |
distinction in terms of amounts going to each is pronounced. We are | :42:31. | :42:39. | |
not asking for a massive change, just a 10% adjustment between now | :42:40. | :42:45. | |
and 2020. The numbers are very small indeed and it doesn't require | :42:46. | :42:50. | |
turning oil tanker around, just a bit of sensitivity. 10% is not a | :42:51. | :42:57. | |
huge amount. It sounds like a huge amount to me. I don't dispute that | :42:58. | :43:03. | |
there are areas of poverty in rural areas but I think the case which is | :43:04. | :43:10. | |
being presented is a little over simplistic and their isn't doubt | :43:11. | :43:15. | |
that there is enormous deprivation in inner`city areas, who are losing | :43:16. | :43:21. | |
out under this government. My understanding was that across local | :43:22. | :43:26. | |
government people feel they are struggling with extra pressures and | :43:27. | :43:29. | |
inadequate funding. I think we should be fighting side`by`side not | :43:30. | :43:36. | |
to take chunks out of each other. Don't some people choose to live in | :43:37. | :43:39. | |
the countryside? A bigger house or garden, higher council tax band, | :43:40. | :43:42. | |
fewer services ` that's the price you pay. This is not Disneyland or a | :43:43. | :43:47. | |
theme park, it is part of England. People don't always choose to live | :43:48. | :43:54. | |
in the countryside. You need a car or two cars. In Margaret's | :43:55. | :44:04. | |
constituency, the dustbins are five or ten yards apart, in my | :44:05. | :44:09. | |
constituency they can be half a mile apart. It costs an additional | :44:10. | :44:17. | |
expense. That is a simple point. It is not a question of either or, just | :44:18. | :44:25. | |
rebalancing. Six and half years for 10%. What difference would this make | :44:26. | :44:32. | |
to people in villages and towns? Well, as you heard a moment ago, if | :44:33. | :44:40. | |
we adjusted it by 10% we would be talking about another ?1 million for | :44:41. | :44:47. | |
an authority like mine. My district covers about one quarter of the | :44:48. | :44:52. | |
landmass of Leicestershire so we are not talking about a small place, a | :44:53. | :44:58. | |
large area of England. But taking money from Derby will only make the | :44:59. | :45:03. | |
situation worse. I read the press release from this campaign and I am | :45:04. | :45:08. | |
not unsympathetic to the problems in rural areas. 0 | :45:09. | :45:11. | |
not unsympathetic to the problems in rural areas. But when I read the | :45:12. | :45:14. | |
background remarks, I didn't think the case stood up in the way they | :45:15. | :45:20. | |
are presenting it. They are being slightly selective with the facts. | :45:21. | :45:30. | |
There are pockets of real rural poverty, I don't dispute that. But | :45:31. | :45:35. | |
there are also pockets of very considerable well`being. Across the | :45:36. | :45:41. | |
country, funding has gone from inner`city areas under this | :45:42. | :45:44. | |
government, with enormous problems, into rural areas where quite often | :45:45. | :45:51. | |
they need is less. It won't be for everybody, I don't dispute that. In | :45:52. | :45:57. | |
general, the problem is perhaps not quite so grave. In education, | :45:58. | :46:04. | |
Leicestershire for some reason is the bottom are second bottom | :46:05. | :46:13. | |
recipient of education spending. It costs just as much to educate | :46:14. | :46:16. | |
children in my constituency than in years. Why is there a disparity? | :46:17. | :46:25. | |
There are lots of comparisons you could make that don't stack up. In | :46:26. | :46:34. | |
the middle of rural Derbyshire, the leaders of the local authorities | :46:35. | :46:39. | |
would agree with me that there needs to be, not to steal from you, but a | :46:40. | :46:46. | |
rebalancing. I am not even asking for equality, just a 10% adjustment. | :46:47. | :46:53. | |
How likely is this change? Well, we will have to see. If the Chancellor | :46:54. | :47:00. | |
has been visiting miners, maybe he will visit us. | :47:01. | :47:05. | |
And now, as they say, for something completely different. Now is the | :47:06. | :47:12. | |
winter of our ice content. Made glorious summer by this son of York. | :47:13. | :47:16. | |
Actor Ian Bartholomew playing Richard III at Nottingham Playhouse. | :47:17. | :47:19. | |
And it's another story of allocating resources. This time how much can we | :47:20. | :47:23. | |
subsidise the arts? As the cuts bite, the impact is being felt at | :47:24. | :47:26. | |
many galleries and theatres in our region. According to Lost Arts Org | :47:27. | :47:30. | |
which is monitoring how austerity policies are hitting the sector, the | :47:31. | :47:33. | |
pain is being felt across the East Midlands. The Nottingham Playhouse | :47:34. | :47:37. | |
is the most recent to fall victim to the cuts, with Nottinghamshire | :47:38. | :47:39. | |
County Council planning to end its ?93,000 grant. The Derby Quad Arts | :47:40. | :47:45. | |
Centre has lost ?119,000 in funding in the last three years. The | :47:46. | :47:52. | |
Leicester Theatre Trust which runs Curve in Leicester has had ?362,000 | :47:53. | :47:57. | |
cut from its funding since 2010. Across the East Midlands as a whole, | :47:58. | :48:01. | |
the Lost Arts organisation estimates that more than ?680,000 has been cut | :48:02. | :48:09. | |
from budgets. Well, the Nottingham Playhouse has just announced that | :48:10. | :48:12. | |
it's beginning a consultation with theatre`goers to find out what they | :48:13. | :48:15. | |
think about the cuts. And we sent Des Coleman to the theatre to find | :48:16. | :48:23. | |
out how staff there have reacted. They are getting ready for | :48:24. | :48:27. | |
tonight's production but sometimes it seems there is more drama | :48:28. | :48:33. | |
backstage than on the stage. Let's meet some of the staff. I am in the | :48:34. | :48:40. | |
paint shop where they build the scenery. Some people say it is the | :48:41. | :48:45. | |
hub of the theatre. They are preparing for a pantomime at the | :48:46. | :48:49. | |
moment. How do you think the cuts will affect the theatre? I don't | :48:50. | :48:55. | |
think it is how much it will affect the theatre but the region. If you | :48:56. | :49:00. | |
cut back on culture it is not good for the East Midlands in general. | :49:01. | :49:07. | |
How will you promote the area? I am in the 0 | :49:08. | :49:08. | |
How will you promote the area? I am in the green room and over my | :49:09. | :49:14. | |
shoulder is one of the cast members. How will the cuts affect the | :49:15. | :49:24. | |
theatre? It is quite shocking because an organisation the size of | :49:25. | :49:30. | |
this needs such an amount of money, it is literally one of the lifelines | :49:31. | :49:38. | |
of culture in this city. I think it is important that politicians | :49:39. | :49:40. | |
rethink and reconsider their decision. I am in the marketing | :49:41. | :49:46. | |
department. How do you feel about the cuts? I am shocked. It has come | :49:47. | :49:55. | |
out of the blue. The fact it has come halfway through the two`year | :49:56. | :49:59. | |
agreement is an fairer. That is a substantial amount of our budget. | :50:00. | :50:09. | |
And jobs are on the line. Perhaps jobs will have to be cut, yes. Well, | :50:10. | :50:15. | |
strong views but let's see what people think in the streets. We need | :50:16. | :50:20. | |
something to look forward to so, yes. If it is necessary then, yeah, | :50:21. | :50:32. | |
maybe. It would make a difference in the price in the future and might | :50:33. | :50:35. | |
stop my age group being able to afford it. It seems as though this | :50:36. | :50:42. | |
is one drama that will run and run. We're joined by Stephanie Sirr, | :50:43. | :50:45. | |
who's the chief executive of the Nottingham Playhouse. First of all, | :50:46. | :50:49. | |
a cut of ?93,000, but what's your overall budget? We turn over about | :50:50. | :51:01. | |
?4.5 million. How significant is this? For every pound of funding we | :51:02. | :51:12. | |
have, we found ?16 of funding from other sources. It is also the fourth | :51:13. | :51:19. | |
cut we have had. It is a significant sum. But surely everyone has to take | :51:20. | :51:25. | |
a hit at the moment. The choices faced are stark and emotive when it | :51:26. | :51:28. | |
comes to cuts, old people's homes, children's services. Nottinghamshire | :51:29. | :51:31. | |
County Council says their priorities have to be the vulnerable, young and | :51:32. | :51:37. | |
old. Absolutely. We are not blind to that | :51:38. | :51:44. | |
fact. This is really a conversation about money and that's where we are | :51:45. | :51:49. | |
at the moment. We need to recognise the enormous financial value of | :51:50. | :51:53. | |
culture to the region. Nottingham Playhouse is just one theatre but | :51:54. | :51:58. | |
our economic impact is over ?13 million per year. That is what we | :51:59. | :52:07. | |
bring into the region. Culture is the second biggest driver of | :52:08. | :52:13. | |
tourism. One District Council has increased their spending from 50,000 | :52:14. | :52:24. | |
to ?350,000 because of that. I sympathise with it but the fact of | :52:25. | :52:27. | |
life are very different at the moment. Every County Council has to | :52:28. | :52:32. | |
reduce its expenditure because the economic picture is difficult | :52:33. | :52:40. | |
nationally. We spend million pounds `` millions of pounds per day. We | :52:41. | :52:49. | |
tried very hard to find people in Nottingham who thought that the | :52:50. | :52:53. | |
Playhouse should take this hit. But most supported it. I support it. I | :52:54. | :53:02. | |
go to productions there myself. It is really good. I may have to pay | :53:03. | :53:09. | |
more in future and I'm afraid that's how it goes. It doesn't help you | :53:10. | :53:15. | |
very much but compared to other departments, my own department had | :53:16. | :53:23. | |
to take a hit in the spending review. I feel your pain. Arts took | :53:24. | :53:35. | |
a 5% cut converts to 20 or 25% in other departments. Your County | :53:36. | :53:41. | |
Council has to take a choice. Does it help the elderly or infirm? A lot | :53:42. | :53:47. | |
of these cuts are being made by Labour councils. All county councils | :53:48. | :53:53. | |
are finding themselves in the same position. Part of what they're is | :53:54. | :54:04. | |
that given the funding cuts they are facing the fear that in two or three | :54:05. | :54:08. | |
years they won't be able to fund anything that they are not compelled | :54:09. | :54:14. | |
to do by law. I sympathise very much with the position of the Nottingham | :54:15. | :54:21. | |
Playhouse but the worry is that we will lose things that are | :54:22. | :54:24. | |
preventative. The kind of care that stops a small child from being a | :54:25. | :54:31. | |
customer of care services later in life. There are also suspicions that | :54:32. | :54:37. | |
Labour is trying to hit the middle classes when it comes to the arts. I | :54:38. | :54:43. | |
think we got out of that a long time ago. One of the things about culture | :54:44. | :54:51. | |
is it is a misconception that it is for the middle classes. 70% of our | :54:52. | :54:57. | |
tickets are sold at concession rates. People need to be aware that | :54:58. | :55:04. | |
culture generates more revenue than it cost. We gloss over this and talk | :55:05. | :55:11. | |
about funding going outward but it is an investment. Of course, we want | :55:12. | :55:23. | |
to protect those jobs and they are real jobs. If all goes well, | :55:24. | :55:34. | |
Leicester will become the city of culture. That will have a benefit | :55:35. | :55:44. | |
for the whole East Midlands. Come on board and help us get Leicester as a | :55:45. | :55:47. | |
city of culture. We will all benefit. I think spending cuts are | :55:48. | :55:55. | |
the reality of what councils are facing. Councils are making cuts | :55:56. | :56:01. | |
that they don't want to do. If the money is not there they have very | :56:02. | :56:09. | |
little choice. What can you do now? Can you fight to the cuts? We have a | :56:10. | :56:15. | |
lot of support and people value culture in this region. Nottingham | :56:16. | :56:21. | |
has fantastic culture and people understand that it adds value to | :56:22. | :56:29. | |
their lives. It adds to the value `` experience of older people and | :56:30. | :56:33. | |
disabled people as well. The point is that is a very small amount of | :56:34. | :56:40. | |
money and doesn't save many services but means a lot to the Nottingham | :56:41. | :56:45. | |
Playhouse. Thank you very much for coming in. | :56:46. | :56:49. | |
Time for our regular round`up of some of the other political stories | :56:50. | :56:53. | |
in the East Midlands this week in 60 seconds: A campaign against scam | :56:54. | :56:56. | |
mail pouring through or letterboxes reached Downing Street this week | :56:57. | :56:59. | |
when the Derbyshire South MP, Conservative Heather Wheeler, met | :57:00. | :57:03. | |
the Prime Minister. Campaigners say people who fall for | :57:04. | :57:06. | |
the scams can lose thousands of pounds. Heather Wheeler wants Royal | :57:07. | :57:11. | |
Mail to stop delivering the letters. The Leicestershire and Rutland | :57:12. | :57:13. | |
Police and Crime Commissioner, Sir Clive Loader, has been responding to | :57:14. | :57:17. | |
a BBC poll showing 30% of people were unaware they had a PCC. He says | :57:18. | :57:24. | |
it's still an improvement on the old system. 93% of people didn't even | :57:25. | :57:27. | |
know that a police authority ever existed and, of course, we have | :57:28. | :57:30. | |
taken over from police authorities and, by the way, do a lot more. Now | :57:31. | :57:37. | |
60`odd percent of people know I do exist. | :57:38. | :57:40. | |
And our MPs could soon be getting a whole lot closer if the Derby North | :57:41. | :57:45. | |
MP, Chris Williamson, has his way. He's calling for them to be put up | :57:46. | :57:49. | |
in a student`style hall of residence at Westminster. The Labour MP says | :57:50. | :57:52. | |
it would save money and avoid expenses scandals. | :57:53. | :57:59. | |
And that's where we leave it here in the East Midlands. Our thanks to | :58:00. | :58:04. | |
Margaret Beckett and Edward Garnier for joining us. Now time to hand you | :58:05. | :58:07. | |
back to Andrew receiving it. We will return to this | :58:08. | :58:11. | |
if we hear more. Thank you. Andrew, it is back to you. | :58:12. | :58:24. | |
Who'd be an MP? It's a good question. Certainly something Mark | :58:25. | :58:30. | |
Pritchard must have asked himself when his picture graced the front | :58:31. | :58:33. | |
page of the Daily Telegraph, with allegations that he had offered to | :58:34. | :58:36. | |
set up business deals overseas in return for hundreds of thousands of | :58:37. | :58:38. | |
pounds. Mr Pritchard dismissed the claims as hurtful and wrong. He | :58:39. | :58:41. | |
referred himself to the Parliamentary Standards Commissioner | :58:42. | :58:43. | |
who has now said there is insufficient evidence to | :58:44. | :58:45. | |
investigate. In a moment we'll talk to Mr Pritchard, but first let's | :58:46. | :58:49. | |
take a look back at how the story unfurled. A Conservative MP has | :58:50. | :58:52. | |
denied allegations that he used his Parliamentary contacts for financial | :58:53. | :58:57. | |
gain... The daily Telegraph says Mark Pritchard offered to broker | :58:58. | :59:01. | |
investments overseas. In a statement he said the allegations made by the | :59:02. | :59:11. | |
Telegraph are false. Mr Pritchard was secretly filmed... What do you | :59:12. | :59:16. | |
make of these allegations? He has referred himself to the | :59:17. | :59:19. | |
Parliamentary Commissioner for standards to clear his name and I | :59:20. | :59:22. | |
suspect this story will reopen the debate about what MPs should be | :59:23. | :59:32. | |
allowed, having business interests elsewhere. Is it not clear that you | :59:33. | :59:40. | |
did ask for money in consultancy services? First of all I would like | :59:41. | :59:50. | |
to apologise for the sunglasses I have had a lot of comments about | :59:51. | :59:56. | |
that. On a serious point, these claims by the Telegraph of false. | :59:57. | :00:05. | |
You didn't ask for ?3000? They are false, hurtful and malicious. It is | :00:06. | :00:11. | |
known widely that I have sued the Telegraph previously. I have also | :00:12. | :00:14. | |
been critical of their coverage of the plebgate affair, their reporting | :00:15. | :00:20. | |
of that. I have been supportive of the cross-party Royal Charter and I | :00:21. | :00:23. | |
know that some people in the media don't like my position on that. That | :00:24. | :00:28. | |
is why it is malicious. I believe in a free press. That free press also | :00:29. | :00:34. | |
has a responsibility to be fair accurate and lawful. In discussions | :00:35. | :00:40. | |
with this business who turned out to be a Telegraph reporter, it is true | :00:41. | :00:45. | |
that you ask for ?3000 a month consultancy fee. The point is.. | :00:46. | :00:54. | |
That is the point. No. That video has been cut and pasted to serve the | :00:55. | :00:59. | |
Telegraph's story. The story was that we want to get Mark Bridger, | :01:00. | :01:04. | |
for whatever reason, at any cost. -- Mark Bridger hard. I would not go | :01:05. | :01:09. | |
down the line they were hoping I would go down. Everything I own | :01:10. | :01:12. | |
outside of Parliament is openly declared. We are allowed to have | :01:13. | :01:18. | |
outside witness interests. The Telegraph need to say clearly | :01:19. | :01:21. | |
whether they accept that or they don't. I think you need to say | :01:22. | :01:26. | |
clearly whether you asked for the money or not. You then went on to | :01:27. | :01:32. | |
ask for ?300,000 if it was a 10 million deal, you asked for 3% | :01:33. | :01:36. | |
commission. Let me be clear, if I was asking for income in return for | :01:37. | :01:43. | |
lobbying, or raising issues in Parliament, or setting up | :01:44. | :01:48. | |
Parliamentary groups, or going to ministers, writing to ministers | :01:49. | :01:52. | |
that would be completely inappropriate. I was approached by | :01:53. | :01:56. | |
somebody to advise them on business. It is entirely proper and entirely | :01:57. | :02:02. | |
within the rules for members of Parliament to have outside | :02:03. | :02:06. | |
consultancies and interests. Did you or didn't you? I am answering the | :02:07. | :02:11. | |
question in the way that I want to answer it, not in the way that fits | :02:12. | :02:16. | |
a particular narrative. The narrative, unfortunately, of some | :02:17. | :02:20. | |
parts of the Telegraph and to be fair, there are some very good | :02:21. | :02:23. | |
journalists, I know there is a dispute about the direction of that | :02:24. | :02:27. | |
paper at senior parts. Do they want to return to being a Catholic, | :02:28. | :02:32. | |
objective newspaper or do they want to slip into the slippery slope of | :02:33. | :02:36. | |
being an agnostic rag, looking for sensationalist headlines? Part of | :02:37. | :02:41. | |
this has come from your membership of these all-party Parliamentary | :02:42. | :02:49. | |
groups. You were in Malta when you are first approached, I think you | :02:50. | :02:52. | |
were on a trip there, Hungary is another one, there is an | :02:53. | :02:56. | |
uncomfortable overlap between your political and business interests. I | :02:57. | :03:01. | |
have no business interests in any of those countries. Some of the country | :03:02. | :03:04. | |
is the Telegraph mentioned, let me be clear, I have not even visited. | :03:05. | :03:13. | |
You were boasting that you knew the Albanian Prime Minister and the | :03:14. | :03:16. | |
Mayor of Teheran and the previous prime minister. I make no apology | :03:17. | :03:22. | |
for making foreign trips. I think it is unfortunate we have a narrative | :03:23. | :03:26. | |
developing in some parts of the press that if a politician goes | :03:27. | :03:30. | |
abroad at the taxpayers expense it is wrong. If they go abroad at a | :03:31. | :03:34. | |
host government's expense it is wrong. If they go abroad with a | :03:35. | :03:39. | |
charity, NGO and private company, even if it is declared, it is wrong. | :03:40. | :03:42. | |
We want people with an international perspective in Parliament. Look at | :03:43. | :03:48. | |
this map. You are a member of 5 country groups. I don't know what | :03:49. | :03:54. | |
Canada has done not to deserve you, or Australia. 54 groups, you are a | :03:55. | :04:00. | |
part of. You're like... This is the Mark Pritchard British Empire. That | :04:01. | :04:05. | |
is very kind. If I had global interests that white I would not be | :04:06. | :04:10. | |
in Parliament. No, no, no. That is the point... It is the suspicion, | :04:11. | :04:16. | |
that you used these groups to drum up business for your consultants. | :04:17. | :04:21. | |
Prove it, that is the trouble. These sorts of headlines, create | :04:22. | :04:26. | |
suspicion. I am suing the Telegraph... Have you issued a writ? | :04:27. | :04:35. | |
I expect an apology. Have you issued a writ? I have just answered your | :04:36. | :04:41. | |
question. It is yes or no, have you issued a writ? I am in final legal | :04:42. | :04:47. | |
discussions tomorrow about issuing a writ. You have raised something for | :04:48. | :04:51. | |
top the fact is that is inaccurate. I am a member of 40-something | :04:52. | :04:55. | |
Parliamentary groups, of which I make no apology. We have got 54 Let | :04:56. | :05:03. | |
me answer the question if I may It would be very useful. There are 196 | :05:04. | :05:11. | |
countries around the world, it is less than a quarter of the country | :05:12. | :05:15. | |
groups on my figures. I make no apology. One of my regrets is not | :05:16. | :05:21. | |
having visited Syria, I don't know if I am a member of the Syria group, | :05:22. | :05:25. | |
part I should become a member, I make no apology. -- perhaps I should | :05:26. | :05:30. | |
become. When it came to the Syria vote, I was blind sided foot of yes, | :05:31. | :05:38. | |
we have excellent briefings. I had to make a judgement based on part | :05:39. | :05:41. | |
knowledge with nothing beats being on the ground, as even BBC | :05:42. | :05:46. | |
journalists recognised this week. Nothing beats being on the ground. | :05:47. | :05:51. | |
You posted about your connections in Albania to getting a business | :05:52. | :05:55. | |
contract. You meet these people through these all Parliamentary | :05:56. | :05:58. | |
groups. That is where there is an unhealthy overlap. That is what the | :05:59. | :06:05. | |
Telegraph said, let's wait and see. Look... You are a newspaperman, you | :06:06. | :06:10. | |
know lots of people in the newspaper industry, as well as being a | :06:11. | :06:14. | |
respected broadcaster. I am not going to prejudice my legal | :06:15. | :06:18. | |
proceedings against the Telegraph. I make no apology. A good politician | :06:19. | :06:23. | |
has to be local am a national and international. Hang on hang on - | :06:24. | :06:30. | |
has to be local, national and international. We need politicians | :06:31. | :06:33. | |
who get out of the Westminster bubble, who have a business | :06:34. | :06:36. | |
hinterland, who keep their foot in the real world and have an | :06:37. | :06:41. | |
international perspective. And ask for 3% commission? I have answered | :06:42. | :06:47. | |
the question. It was a cut and pasted video, photo shopped to suit | :06:48. | :06:50. | |
the agenda of the Telegraph. They need to get back to serious news | :06:51. | :06:54. | |
reporting and I wish those well at the senior part of the Telegraph who | :06:55. | :06:59. | |
want to get to those days. We look forward to the writ. Thank you. | :07:00. | :07:02. | |
Now - there's been more good news on the economy for George Osborne this | :07:03. | :07:04. | |
week - inflation's down, growth forecasts have been revised up and | :07:05. | :07:07. | |
unemployment has fallen again. On Friday the former Bullingdon boy | :07:08. | :07:10. | |
donned a head torch and went down't pit for just one of many photo | :07:11. | :07:13. | |
opportunities ahead of the Autumn Statement, which he'll deliver in | :07:14. | :07:16. | |
the Commons on fifth December. And, who knows, he might even take his | :07:17. | :07:23. | |
hard hat off for that. # Going underground. | :07:24. | :07:32. | |
# Let the boys all saying and let the boys all shout for tomorrow | :07:33. | :07:38. | |
# Lah, lah, love, love. # I talk and talk until my head | :07:39. | :07:42. | |
explodes. # Make this boy shout, make this boy | :07:43. | :07:49. | |
scream. # Going underground. | :07:50. | :08:03. | |
# I'm going underground. # I'm going underground. | :08:04. | :08:09. | |
George Osborne in his heart out he probably sleeps with it on. This | :08:10. | :08:17. | |
Autumn Statement is becoming a more important part of the political | :08:18. | :08:21. | |
calendar for the coalition. It looks like this is where they are finally | :08:22. | :08:25. | |
going to come up with some kind of response to Ed Miliband's game | :08:26. | :08:31. | |
changing electricity price freeze. The idea which is mooted is they | :08:32. | :08:35. | |
will move people's green tax on two general bills which is not an answer | :08:36. | :08:40. | |
but cosmetically it could have apolitical impact. George Osborne is | :08:41. | :08:44. | |
receiving a lot of representations from lobby groups, business, MPs on | :08:45. | :08:50. | |
his own side, for tax cuts and extra bits spending and he has to spend | :08:51. | :08:54. | |
the next two weeks reminding people of something that has been skewered | :08:55. | :08:56. | |
by the economic recovery. This country has a fiscal deficit which | :08:57. | :09:06. | |
is twice that of France, supposedly the crisis economy in western Europe | :09:07. | :09:09. | |
or if you accept it will take another parliament again to | :09:10. | :09:12. | |
eliminate this deficit, we are not even halfway through the age of | :09:13. | :09:15. | |
austerity. He is in no position to give anything away. He has to hold | :09:16. | :09:20. | |
the line. Danny Alexander has been useful but this is his real | :09:21. | :09:24. | |
challenge. He is going to give stuff away. When the Autumn Statement | :09:25. | :09:29. | |
comes away, 15 months from an election, Nick Clegg has been | :09:30. | :09:33. | |
talking about raising the tax allowance threshold even further, | :09:34. | :09:38. | |
talk of moving green levies of the electricity bills, he is going to | :09:39. | :09:42. | |
give stuff away. We will get funding for free school meals that Nick | :09:43. | :09:44. | |
Clegg mentioned in his party conference. The significance of the | :09:45. | :09:49. | |
Autumn Statement is twice a year, a Chancellor stands up and we all look | :09:50. | :09:53. | |
at the state of the economy. If you talk to members of the Chancellor's | :09:54. | :09:57. | |
circle, it is interesting how nervous they are. They say, don t | :09:58. | :10:01. | |
assume we are going to have this wonderful growth for ever, don't | :10:02. | :10:04. | |
assume everything is fine in the eurozone. I think what would help | :10:05. | :10:09. | |
the Chancellor is if somebody was able to see some of that humility in | :10:10. | :10:14. | |
public. It is recognised that he was far too triumphalist | :10:15. | :10:15. | |
speech he made on the 9th of September, when he said to Ed Balls, | :10:16. | :10:22. | |
we have one and you cannot make an economic policy on the cost of | :10:23. | :10:23. | |
living -- we have... Won. economic policy on the cost of | :10:24. | :10:36. | |
people don't seem to learn from Norman Lamont's green shoots. Labour | :10:37. | :10:40. | |
has moved from complaining there is no growth, now there is, to say | :10:41. | :10:46. | |
has moved from complaining there is is gross but living standards are | :10:47. | :10:46. | |
not rising. If the economy grows by nearly 3% next year, even the bank | :10:47. | :10:51. | |
is saying it will grow by 2.8%, living standards could start to | :10:52. | :10:56. | |
rise. It does but everybody in a difficult position politically if | :10:57. | :10:58. | |
the economy starts growing, ironically. We need to remind | :10:59. | :11:02. | |
ourselves that economy, the natural direction of an economy is to grow. | :11:03. | :11:08. | |
Unless the politicians screw up Unless you have some idiot in | :11:09. | :11:13. | |
charge! It is not a cause for the Morris dance that they seem to be | :11:14. | :11:16. | |
doing, certainly on the Tory side. Osborne is put in a difficult | :11:17. | :11:20. | |
position goes he will have to stop giving stuff away, he cannot push | :11:21. | :11:26. | |
the austerity line at the same time as jangling his magical growth - he | :11:27. | :11:33. | |
will have to start giving stuff away. It puts Labour in a difficult | :11:34. | :11:39. | |
position, it is very unlikely that living standards will match GDP Not | :11:40. | :11:45. | |
since 2003, GDP has been a great indicator. Wages have stagnated for | :11:46. | :11:52. | |
ten years, food has gone up 17% energy has gone up 24%. That is a | :11:53. | :11:56. | |
decade in which everybody has got poorer. The real sweet spot comes | :11:57. | :12:01. | |
when wages start to outstrip inflation. It is a sweet spot and | :12:02. | :12:06. | |
will be a huge challenge for Ed Miliband. As ever on the economy | :12:07. | :12:11. | |
with a sweet spot, you have a danger moment because that is when the | :12:12. | :12:14. | |
governor of the Bank of England will have to look at interest rates. | :12:15. | :12:18. | |
Everything he was saying last week was when we move toward 7% | :12:19. | :12:22. | |
unemployment come that is not the trigger for raising interest rates, | :12:23. | :12:25. | |
it is the moment when we look at it. Everything was saying he did not | :12:26. | :12:30. | |
want to do that. When do you anticipate wages outstripping | :12:31. | :12:32. | |
inflation? It hasn't happened for so long. The second half of next year. | :12:33. | :12:40. | |
Wages and prices are not the sole measure of living standards, there | :12:41. | :12:42. | |
are broader measures which no one seems willing to use. | :12:43. | :12:45. | |
That's all for today. The Daily Politics will be back at tomorrow at | :12:46. | :12:49. | |
midday on BBC Two and I will back here on BBC One at 11:00am next | :12:50. | :12:53. | |
week. Remember if it's Sunday, it's the Sunday Politics. | :12:54. | :12:58. |