11/05/2014 Sunday Politics East Midlands


11/05/2014

Andrew Neil and Marie Ashby with the latest political news and interviews. With UKIP's Nigel Farage and Labour's Douglas Alexander ahead of the European and local elections.


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Morning, folks. Welcome to the Sunday Politics, where we're talking

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about the Europe-wide contest that really matters. No, not Eurovision.

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The European elections. There are local elections across England too

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on May 22nd. The party leaders are campaigning ahead of polling day.

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The results could be a pointer to the Big One, May 2015. We'll be

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speaking to the man in charge of Labour's election battle plan. Has

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the opposition really got its sights set on all-out victory in 2015? Or

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will it just be content with squeaking home? And you can't

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mention elections these days without talking about the impact of this

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man, Nigel Farage. I'll be asking him if UKIP really

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boroughs. What will make a difference to the way you vote?

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And I'm joined by three journalists guaranteed to bring a touch

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And I'm joined by three journalists dress sense, it's Nick Watt, Helen

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Lewis and Janan Ganesh. So you might have thought you've already heard

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David Cameron promise an in-out referendum on EU membership in 2017

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if he's still Prime Minister. Many times. Many, many times. Well he

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obviously doesn't think you've been listening, because he's been saying

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it again today. Here he is speaking to the BBC earlier. We will hold a

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referendum by the end of 2017. It will be a referendum on an in-out

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basis. Do we stay in a reformed European Union or do we leave? And

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I've said very clearly that whatever the outcome of the next election,

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and of course I want an overall the outcome of the next election,

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majority and I'm hoping and believing I can win an overall

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majority, believing I can win an overall

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think that's unlikely because as I think that's unlikely because

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there's a huge upside for that for I think what's interesting is the idea

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he would for minority government. Would you get confidence and look at

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other options that might well happen with the way the arithmetic is going

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or is he going to hold out and say the only way I will be Prime

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Minister is in a majority Conservative government? No, the

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implication of his remarks was I wouldn't form a coalition government

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unless my coalition partners would also agree to vote for a referendum.

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He's basically talking about is negotiating strategy in those

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coalition talks. It's a red line and a huge opportunity for the Lib Dems,

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because they know David Cameron absolutely has to do, for accidental

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reasons, as a person who survives as Tory leader, to ask for that

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referendum, so they can ask anything they want in return and if I was

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Nick Clegg, I would work out in the next year one absolute colossal

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negotiating demand for those coalition talks. For a party around

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10% in the polls, they will do have the Prime Minister over a barrel on

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this one, assuming that coalition talks goes well. They could make

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Michael Gove Tbyte meeting. OK, we need to move on. So, the politicians

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are out and about on what used to be called the stump ahead of local and

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European elections in less than two weeks' time. But, without wanting to

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depress you on a damp Sunday morning, the party strategists are

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already hard at work on their campaign plans for the General

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Election next May. Yes, it's less than a year to go. They may have

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taken their time, but Labour's battleplan for 2015 is starting to

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take shape. As well as take promising to freeze your energy

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bills, and reintroduce the 50p rate of tax, Ed Miliband now says he

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wants to intervene in the housing market to keep rents down. There's

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even talk that the party leadership wants to bring more railway lines

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into public ownership. And Labour is gambling that its big push on the

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cost of living will see it through to the general election despite

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evidence that growth is firmly back. Labour's campaign chief Douglas

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Alexander hopes it all adds up to victory next May. But so far, the

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evidence is hitting home very thin. One survey today shows that 56% of

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people don't think Mr Miliband is up to the job of Prime Minister. As we

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head towards one of the least predictable general elections in 70

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years, has Labour got a message to win seats up and down the country?

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And Labour's election co-ordinator and Shadow Foreign Secretary,

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Douglas Alexander, joins me now. Douglas Alexander, joins me now

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Welcome to Sunday Politics. A lot of these policies announced polar

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pretty well. By popular with the country. When you add them together,

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it's a move to the left and what would be wrong with that? I think is

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your packet suggests, the contours in the coming campaign are becoming

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clear. Our judgement is the defining issue of the year in British

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politics will be the widening gap between the wealth of the country

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and the finances of ordinary families. We believe it will be a

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cost of living election and we have been setting out our thinking in

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relation to energy prices and rent, but you will hear more from Labour

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Party in the coming months because we're now less than one year away

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from a decisive moment. If the leftish think tank suggested any of

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his policies in that Tony Blair years, you would have opposed them.

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Let's be clear, when not going for an interest but seeking to secure a

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majority for the only way to do that is not simply to appeal to your

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base, but to the centre ground. I believe we got genuine opportunities

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in the next year. You have the Conservatives in a struggle with

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UKIP on the right of politics. The Lib Dems 9% of trying to find their

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base, and there's a genuine opportunity in the next year for

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Labour to dominate the centre ground of politics and secure the majority

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Labour government we are planning for in the coming year. I notice you

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didn't deny you wouldn't have opposed. You say you have got an

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message for aspirational voters in the South. This is what John Denham

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said. He thinks you're talking too much to your core vote.

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He is right to recognise we took a terrible beating in 2010. 29%. If

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you look at what we've done in the last week, for example, the

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signature policy on rent Ed Miliband announced to launch the campaign,

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there's now more than 9 million people in the country in the private

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rented sector, more than 1 million families. Many of them are in the

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south-east. They are seeing circumstances where, suddenly,

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landlord will increase the rent and they put the pressure involved in

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schooling, health care facing the families, so it is important both in

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terms of policy and in terms of politics that we speak to the whole

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country, not simply to one part of it falls up what is the average rise

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in event last year? I don't know. Can you tell me? 1%. 1% not in real

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terms. I'm not sure what the problem is. It will happen to wages in last

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year, we are facing circumstances where people will be worse off, up

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to ?1600 off worse and frankly, if our opponents want to argue that the

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economy has healed and they deserve a victory lap, good luck to them

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because actually, what we are hearing from the Buddhist public,

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not just in the north and south, hearing from the Buddhist public,

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not just in the north and south is not just in the north and south, is

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not the cost living crisis is continuing and it affects families.

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There was nothing aspirational about your party election broadcast for

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the European elections. It looked like crude class war to money

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people. That's a bit of it. Bedroom tax. Isn't it going to look bad that

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two thirds of those affected are disabled? Who cares? They can't

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fight back. Shall be lay-offs and NHS nurses? The National Health

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Service? Oh yes. Mr Cameron? Who said that? Me. My gosh. The man has

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shrunk. He's actually shrunk. What shall we do with him? Can we hunt

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him? Nothing about Europe, Labour policy. News that the Tories would

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result in negative campaigning and smear. You didn't tell you would be

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just as bad. Let's start the party broadcast. The one thing guaranteed

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to have most people reaching for the remote control these days are the

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words, there now follows a party but the broadcast. I make no apology in

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the factory to be innovative in how we presented. It's factual. It was a

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policy -based critic of this government. And the Lib Dems role

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within it. So you're claiming it's factual to betray the camera and

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cabinet is not even knowing what the NHS is, -- the Cameron Cabinet. They

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attack the disabled because they can't fight back. The Pinellas

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Tanner severely Prime Minister Sun and he was treated during a short

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life by the NHS. It's a fact many disabled people across the country

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including in my constituency have been directly affected by the

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bedroom tax. And ultimately, this Conservative led government,

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including the Lib Dems, will be held accountable by the politicians. You

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say that, the Prime Minister, who had a severely disabled son of. I

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you not ashamed about? I shadowed Iain Duncan Smith of five months

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also they don't have the excuses of seeing that saying nobody told them

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the consequences of the bedroom tax. They went into this with their eyes

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open. They knew about the hardship and difficulty. If they were

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one-bedroom properties available across the country for people to

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move into, their argument would be OK but they knew they were dealing

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with the most vulnerable people. OK but they knew they were dealing

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with the most vulnerable people Did you sign off that part of the

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broadcast? Of course I stand by the fact of it. I wish David Cameron and

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Iain Duncan Smith would apologise to the disabled people of the country

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and the poorest people for the effects of the bedroom tax. I hope

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we get that apology between now and election. As someone who thinks

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integrity is important in politics, not ashamed of this kind of thing?

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It's important we scrutinise the policies of this government as well

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as adding a positive agenda for change. You want that you won't

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promise this is the last time we'll see such a negative press campaign?

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I don't think it is negative or personal to scrutinise the

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government. So we'll get more of this? I'm less interested in the

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background of the cabinet than their views. You call the upper-class

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twits. It's for the British public to make a judgement in terms of the

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British... That's how you depicted them. We are held in accountable for

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the bedroom tax, the NHS, taxation, and our record they have to defend.

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One reason are so fearful in this election is actually because they

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know they have a poor record. Let's look at other part of the election

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campaign. This poster. Particularly digitally doing the rounds. On that

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shopping basket, can you tell us which items take the full 20% VAT?

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It's representative of household shopping, which includes items like

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cleaning products, and we know that food is not that trouble. People

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don't go to the supermarket and say this is -- vatable. So you are

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denying that ?450 extra is being paid? Yes, where'd you get that

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figure? For an average family to pay ?450 a year extra VAT, they would

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have to spend ?21,600 a year on vatable products at 20%. The average

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take-home pay is only 21,009. They have got to spend on all sorts of

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things which are zero VAT. So in addition to the items, has a range

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of products people face in terms of VAT. How could an average family of

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?21,000 a year spent 21,006 and the pound a year on 20% vatable items?

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It's not an annual figure, is it? So what is it then? If it's an annual,

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what is it? The increased VAT in this parliament is calculated over

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the course of a Parliament. For the whole of the Parliament? And you're

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illustrated this with a shopping basket which almost has no VAT on it

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at all? People will be buying a weekly shop in the course of this

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Parliament every week. Did you sign off on this as well? Of course. It

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didn't dawn on you you're putting things on it which have no VAT? If

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you want to argue some people go to the shops and say these are vatable

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or not, I disagree. Even your rent cap announcement went wrong. You're

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working on the rent rises and it turns out it wasn't. It was a post

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your policy. It is the exception rather than the rule to have the

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position we have at the moment. In Northern Ireland we have seen the

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continued rise in terms of the rented sector but there is a

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widespread recognition that for those people in the rented sector,

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change is necessary. Are you coordinating this campaign? It seems

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accident prone. This is a party that has set the agenda more effectively

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than a Conservative party that said when David Cameron was elected he

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wasn't going to bang on about Europe. The day after the election

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we expect the Conservative party to be engulfed in crisis. I'm proud of

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what we talk about and I think there is a clear contrast about a party

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talking about issues people care about, and a Conservative party

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talking about exclusively a referendum. Are you in charge of the

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campaign? I am coordinating the campaign is, yes. The expensive

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election guru you have hired, has he been involved in any of this? We

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have started our discussions with him. You are going to have to brief

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him about British politics because he doesn't know anything about it. I

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make no apology for hiring him. He has a lot of experience in winning

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tight elections and that is what we are expecting. If you are expecting

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us to say, they have passed and we have to hold them accountable, then

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I am sorry but we have a campaign that holds the Government and the

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Conservatives to account for what I think is a very hopeless record in

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government. Thank you. He leads a party with zero MPs but

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his media presence is huge. He's had an expenses scandal, but the public

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didn't seem to mind. He's got a privileged background but he's seen

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as an anti-establishment champion. Nothing seems to stick to him, not

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even eggs. I speak of course of Nigel Farage. We'll talk to him in a

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moment, but first Giles has been out on the campaign trail ahead of

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elections that could make or break the UKIP leader.

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Nigel Farage likes a stage, and at this stage of the Euro and local

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election campaign he is, like his party, in buoyant mood. They feel

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they are on the verge of what they see as causing an earthquake in

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British politics. Today Nigel is filling thousands seat venues and

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bigger. Not that there's much sign of that at this press launch. But

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it's a threat with serious money behind it, that they believe the

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media and the political elite just haven't realised yet, much less

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learned how to counter it. Not that it's all been plain sailing.

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Offensive comments from some candidates has not only seen UKIP

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labelled as racist, but necessitated a rally by the party to visibly and

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verbally challenge that. The offensive idiotic statements made by

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this handful of people have been lifted up and presented to the great

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British public as if they represent the view of this party, which they

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do not. They never have and they never will. APPLAUSE

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I don't care what you call us, but from this moment on, please do not

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call must trust a racist party. We are not a racist party.

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The need to say that is not just about the European and local

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elections even at that campaign launch it's clear UKIP's leader has

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set his sights firmly on the ultimate prize. I come from the

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south of England and I would not want to be seen as an opportunist

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heading to the north, north Norfolk or whatever it will be. I will make

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my mind up and stand in the general election for somewhere in Kent, East

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Sussex, Hampshire, somewhere in my home patch. Back at UKIP HQ they are

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still drilling down how the last fortnight of campaigning should go.

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They aren't taking any chances, and one imagines having offices above

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those of Max Clifford is a reminder how fragile built reputations can be

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of the bubble bursting. They want their reputation to be built on

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votes and they know anything but significant success on May 22nd and

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some seats in Westminster in 2015 isn't going to be good enough. And

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after that, having sold yourselves as the honest outsiders, that stance

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is harder to maintain once your people are on the inside. And subtle

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changes from the past are already noticeable. The ordinary man of the

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people stance is still working. Characteristically outside a pub,

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Nigel Farage is glad handed by a customer. Two weeks to go, let's

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cause an upset. Wouldn't that be great? The only sign that such an

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interaction is different now is the ever presence of bodyguards who

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shadow his every move. Over lunch ahead of Question Time, a radio

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appearance, and then off to Scotland, I ask him if some of those

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minded to vote UKIP who see him as a man they'd be comfortable having a

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drink with are the sort of people he'd be entirely comfortable sitting

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down with. Every political party attracts support from across the

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spectrum and there will be some magnificent people who vote for us

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and some ne'er-do-wells. The one common thing about UKIP voters is

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that they are often not very political. And it's that people s

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army that if UKIP can get to a polling booth might just create that

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earthquake they want. Nigel Farage joins me now. When you

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decided not to stand at the new work by election coming said if you lost

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it that the bubble would have burst. What did you mean by that? I

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was asked at seven 20p -- at 7:21pm if I would stand, I have decided by

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the next morning that I would not. I didn't know he was going to resign.

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You claim only a handful of UKIP candidates have ever said things

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that are either stupid or offensive, I'm right on that, yes? 0.1%, I'd

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rather it was non-. But why have you chosen a candidate to fight this

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by-election that has said many things most people would regard as

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stupid or offensive? Roger is fighting this for us, someone of 70

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years of age who grew up with a strong Christian Bible background,

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in an age when homosexuality was imprisonable. He had a certain set

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of views which he maintained for many years which he now says he

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accepts the world has moved on and he is relaxed about it. The comments

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about homosexuality are not from the dark ages, they are from two or

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three years ago. From when he was a Conservative, yes, so will you be

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asking David Cameron that question? I have never seen a single comment

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from Roger that would be deemed to be offensive. Do you regard his

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comments on homosexuality as offensive? When he grew up,

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homosexuality was illegal in this country. But this was in 2012 but he

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said that. Most people have his country. But this was in 2012 but he

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still feel uncomfortable about it country. But this was in 2012 but he

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understand that some people have different views. But he has changed

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his views now in only two years? different views. But he has changed

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his views now in only two years He his views now in only two years? He

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says he is more relaxed about it. Was he your candidate? He is a

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first-class campaigner who has had 30 years in industry, he served in

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the European Parliament, he is a good candidate. This morning's

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papers suggest you are good candidate. This morning's

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Dems and the Conservatives amongst the indigenous voting.

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We have not agreed a manifesto for the general election, we will do

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over the course of the summer. This is in your local election. We are

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having local elections in some part of the country but we are fighting a

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European election. It is impossible with the British media to have an

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intelligent debate on the European question. But as I say, we are also

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fighting the local elections too. You have promised these tax cuts,

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how much will they cost? I have met -- read the local election manifesto

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and it doesn't make those promises. We do talk about local services, we

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We do talk about local services we do talk about the need to keep

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council tax down but we don't talk about income tax. Absolutely not. In

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local election campaigning you say you would restore cuts to policing,

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double prison places, restore cuts to front line NHS, spend more on

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roads, how much would that cost You roads, how much would that cost? You

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are obviously reading different documents to me. We are voting for

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local councillors in district councils who have got little local

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budgets. Every party in a manifesto puts his aspirations in it. Have you

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read it? Of course I have, cover to cover, which is why I'm saying you

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are misquoting it. By the way, on the bubble bursting, you told that

:28:30.:28:35.

to Norman Smith of the BBC. 75% of British laws are now made in the

:28:36.:28:40.

European Union. Now AstraZeneca is potentially going to be taken over

:28:41.:28:46.

by Pfizer. The BBC is refusing to show the public that that decision

:28:47.:28:51.

cannot be taken here but by an elected European commissioner, and

:28:52.:28:55.

we sit and argue about what is in or not in the local election manifesto.

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It is my job, but let me come on to AstraZeneca. Is it your view that a

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British government should stop the takeover of AstraZeneca? It cannot.

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Can we please get this clear. I sat next to Chuka Umunna the other day

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at question time and he said what could and couldn't be done. He said

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I am being studiously neutral, and the reason is we don't have this

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power. That is what the European elections is about. Should France

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have the takeover of the food company Danan? We seem to do things

:29:45.:30:02.

to the Nth degree and nobody else does, perhaps because we have this

:30:03.:30:06.

culture and we obey it. In your view, you don't think Pfizer should

:30:07.:30:14.

be able to take over AstraZeneca? There is some good science within

:30:15.:30:18.

AstraZeneca which is in danger of being asset stripped and lost.

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Because it is run by a Swede and a Frenchman and most of its employees

:30:27.:30:31.

are overseas. I understand that but there are still some good science

:30:32.:30:36.

being produced here. What did you think of the Prime Minister saying

:30:37.:30:39.

he would not form a government after the election unless he was able to

:30:40.:30:45.

have a referendum in 2017? I sat here talking to you and you said to

:30:46.:30:52.

me that David Cameron had given a cast-iron guarantee that if David

:30:53.:30:56.

Cameron becomes Prime Minister he will have a referendum on the Lisbon

:30:57.:31:00.

Treaty, but he didn't deliver on that. He knows that people struggle

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to believe the renegotiation is worth a row of beans. He is saying

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he will not form a government unless he can go forward with the

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referendum. I know he is desperately trying to pretend to be Eurosceptic

:31:16.:31:18.

whilst at the same time saying he will campaign for Britain to remain

:31:19.:31:23.

in. In a sense, that is what this election is about. We have three

:31:24.:31:27.

traditional parties, all of whom passionately believe in the

:31:28.:31:30.

continued membership of the European Union and we have UKIP saying we

:31:31.:31:34.

want trade and cooperation but there is a bigger and better world out

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there. You are now travelling with I think four bodyguards, has this

:31:41.:31:50.

affected you and your family life? I can't stand it. I've always wondered

:31:51.:31:55.

about the place and on my own thing. Sadly we have a couple of

:31:56.:31:59.

organisations out there headed up by senior Labour Party figures who

:32:00.:32:01.

purport to be against fascism and extremism, who received funding from

:32:02.:32:07.

the Department of communities, from the trade unions, who have acted in

:32:08.:32:11.

a violent wait more than once. You are saying the Labour Party is

:32:12.:32:16.

behind the threats? No, I said a taxpayer funded, trade union funded

:32:17.:32:20.

and headed by senior Labour Party figures, and I'm happy for them to

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come to my meetings and have an itinerant with me, but it's not so

:32:24.:32:27.

much fun when there are banging you over the head. I is still keen to be

:32:28.:32:32.

an MP? Yes, what UKIP will then do is target before the general

:32:33.:32:38.

election next year for the one life be easier if you just went to the

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Lords? That's the last thing I want to do. There's an awful lot to do.

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Most of all, I will not rest until we are free from political union and

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government from Brussels. Nigel Farage, thank you for being with us.

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It's just gone 11.30am. You're watching the Sunday Politics. We say

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goodbye to viewers in Scotland, who leave us now for Sunday Politics

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Scotland. Coming up here in 20 minutes, our panel talks about the

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big stories of the week. First big stories of the week. First

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In the East Midlands, who came out top in Newark when we went to town

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and gave out party political cupcakes? That's a Conservative

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cake. I don't want that. That a Labour cake. I'll have that. That's

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a Lib Dem cake. And that's ` UKIP cake.

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And is it time to put alternative medicine on the NHS?

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Do you think it should be available on the NHS? If people believe in it,

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yes. Not everybody believes in it, and therefore you're asking people

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to pay for it as well, as p`rt and therefore you're asking people

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to pay for it as well, as part of to pay for it as well, as part of

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their contributions as well. Hello, I'm Marie Ashby and ly guests

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Hello, I'm Marie Ashby and my guests this week by David Tredinnick, the

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Conservative MP for Bosworth, and Chris Leslie, Labour's MP for

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Nottingham East and Shadow Chief Secretary to the Treasury.

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First, the great recession is almost First, the great recession hs almost

:33:52.:33:55.

over ` at least according to one respected think tank. The N`tional

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Institute of Economic and Social Research says the UK economx

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Institute of Economic and Social Research says the UK economy is

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Research says the UK economx is about to return to its pre`recession

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peak. So, are there celebrations in Nottingham East? Well, I'd like to

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hope that if we are in a recovery it is widely felt, and I have to say

:34:14.:34:17.

whilst David and I, when we're down in Westminster, you can see in parts

:34:18.:34:20.

of London if you're talking to those, bankers and others, they're

:34:21.:34:23.

doing quite well currently, I'm afraid to say there's a lot of other

:34:24.:34:27.

parts in the country where we are not yet seeing that recovery

:34:28.:34:28.

parts in the country where we are not yet seeing that recoverx widely

:34:29.:34:29.

not yet seeing that recovery widely felt, and I think the challdnge

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not yet seeing that recoverx widely felt, and I think the challenge for

:34:31.:34:31.

felt, and I think the challdnge for the Chancellor and for the Treasury

:34:32.:34:35.

is to make sure that if we do have a recovery, it is felt by all, and

:34:36.:34:37.

it's sustainable, that we'rd recovery, it is felt by all, and

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it's sustainable, that we're not going to find ourselves with a

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lopsided situation and an imbalance as well. We know for exampld

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lopsided situation and an ilbalance as well. We know for example in

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as well. We know for exampld in Nottingham we've still got real

:34:44.:34:46.

problems ` 18 food banks currently, and big problems with the cost of

:34:47.:34:48.

living. So positive signs hdre, living. So positive signs hdre,

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David, but a long way to go, is what Chris is saying. Well, a stunning

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Chris is saying. Well, a sttnning figure today to show that the

:34:57.:35:00.

economy's back to where it was in 2008 before the recession. So we've

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made huge progress, we've created a million new jobs in this cotntry in

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the last two years. And that's an astonishing achievement. And we ve

:35:10.:35:11.

astonishing achievement. And we've got people off benefits, we've

:35:12.:35:14.

managed to re`stimulate the British economy, and manufacturing now is

:35:15.:35:19.

racing ahead. We have huge car exports, a new car going abroad

:35:20.:35:21.

every 60 minutes. `` 16 minttes every 60 minutes. `` 16 minttes

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Sounds like some sort of achievement really for the Government, Chris.

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Well, if you believe the gloss. I don't think you can really say

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you've got people off benefits don't think you can really say

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you've got people off benefhts when you've got people off benefits when

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the cost of welfare has gond up the cost of welfare has gond up

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We've seen more people on housing benefit, we're having to subsidise

:35:42.:35:44.

low wages. The labour market is changing so it's about insecurity

:35:45.:35:46.

now, so people might be abld to changing so it's about insecurity

:35:47.:35:48.

now, so people might be abld to pick up a few hours here and there but

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it's zero`hours contracts. Ht's up a few hours here and there but

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it's zero`hours contracts. It's the it's zero`hours contracts. Ht's the

:35:54.:35:55.

sense that they're having to take on multiple jobs just to make ends

:35:56.:35:59.

meet. And I don't understand why Conservative members of Parliament,

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the Lib Dems in particular, the Government, are so blinkered as to

:36:02.:36:05.

refuse that there is a cost of living crisis still. Becausd

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refuse that there is a cost of living crisis still. Because wages

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living crisis still. Becausd wages have not been keeping pace with

:36:07.:36:08.

prices. People still not fedling prices. People still not feeling

:36:09.:36:09.

this recovery in their pockdt, prices. People still not fedling

:36:10.:36:11.

this recovery in their pockdt, and may not for some years to come

:36:12.:36:14.

according to analysis, David. I don't agree with that at all, and Ed

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Miliband never raises the economy in Parliament now because he knows he's

:36:19.:36:22.

lost the battle. And what about all the apprenticeships we've created?

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There's a sense that we are really moving ahead now, and that hs why I

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moving ahead now, and that is why I think that this will be reflected in

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the forthcoming elections in favour of the Conservatives.

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OK. Well, the economy is bound of the Conservatives.

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OK. Well, the economy is botnd to OK. Well, the economy is bound to

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play a big role in the Newark by`election, where a safe

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Conservative seat is facing a full`scale assault from the UKIP.

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It's a largely rural seat with a It's a largely rural seat with a

:36:39.:36:45.

population of 72,500. `` electorate. The main population centres are

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Newark itself and nearby Southwell, Newark itself and nearby Southwell,

:36:48.:36:49.

but there are many villages scattered around the constituency

:36:50.:36:51.

like Collingham and Sutton`on`Trent. Well, after boundary changes before

:36:52.:36:55.

the last election it gained parts of Rushcliffe and Bassetlaw, t`king

:36:56.:36:58.

over being in the South and Markham Moor in the North, but losing the

:36:59.:37:00.

town of Retford. It is affluent by town of Retford. It is affluent by

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East Midlands standards ` the average wage there is ?517 a week,

:37:04.:37:06.

compared with an average for the East Midlands of ?484, although it's

:37:07.:37:08.

just below the UK average of ?5 8. over being in the South and Markham

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Moor in Well, this week we decided to set up

:37:15.:37:17.

stall in the marketplace to watch the action and take the pulse of the

:37:18.:37:21.

town. Our political editor John Hess found an unusual way of attracting

:37:22.:37:29.

interviewees. With that crucial parliamentary

:37:30.:37:32.

by`election around the corner, we have come to market to do the

:37:33.:37:43.

cupcake challenge. Which party is likely to lick their lips in June,

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and which will end up with crumbs? Giving away tasty cupcakes isn't

:37:50.:37:53.

that easy, until at I would take the that easy, until at I would take the

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UKIP one. I am sticking with Labour. And look who doesn't want to miss

:38:12.:38:15.

out. The candidate with the blue research. The Conservative

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candidate, until recently an auctioneer. What could that majority

:38:22.:38:29.

of 16,000 end up going, going, gone? `` but could. Most people I have

:38:30.:38:34.

spoken to after a long`term constituency MP who wants to be a

:38:35.:38:38.

real champion for the area, somebody who will make a life here and follow

:38:39.:38:43.

in the tradition of some of the other Nottinghamshire MPs we

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in the tradition of some of the other Nottinghamshire MPs wd have

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had. Our cupcake swingometer lurches to

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UKIP. But this veteran MEP faced renewed

:38:59.:39:02.

criticism over past remarks which critics claim are homophobic. What I

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am concerned with is the by`election, I am not interdsted in

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scraping the barrel of comments by`election, I am not interested in

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scraping the barrel of commdnts that scraping the barrel of commdnts that

:39:13.:39:16.

were made 15 years ago. The world has moved on.

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Labour's candidate hopes to bite into that conservative majority. But

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into that conservative majority But is UKIP a help or a hindrance? I am

:39:25.:39:30.

going to concentrate on getting out and talking to people here who want

:39:31.:39:35.

an alternative. The only way they concerned that clear messagd to

:39:36.:39:36.

concerned that clear message to David Cameron is by voting for

:39:37.:39:45.

Labour. Will the Lib Dems bloom or fade? They polled 20% in the last

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fade? They polled 20% in thd last General Election. We are the

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fade? They polled 20% in the last General Election. We are thd party

:39:53.:39:53.

General Election. We are the party of Government. Add what we want to

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show is the real benefits of voting Lib Dem. `` am. `` and what we want

:39:58.:40:04.

to show. What if our cupcakes reflected local

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issues. This campaign says you end issues. This campaign says xou end

:40:07.:40:17.

up with a hot potato. Nine candidates are speaking abott

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up with a hot potato. Nine candidates are speaking about local

:40:19.:40:18.

candidates are speaking abott local issues. Listen to be dodging the

:40:19.:40:22.

local issues they don't want to be the hot topics.

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First yellow one we have got rid of today.

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Why are you sticking with Labour? It just looks nice.

:40:33.:40:38.

Our cupcakes have gone like hotcakes. If there is one ottcome,

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hotcakes. If there is one outcome, it is that the Conservatives and

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UKIP seemed to be neck and neck But look how many cupcakes are left

:40:48.:40:50.

here, and maybe that is an indication that the turnout in this

:40:51.:40:54.

by`election might not be th`t high. We are joined now by ten won,

:40:55.:40:59.

UKIP's campaign manager in the East Midlands. You are throwing

:41:00.:41:03.

everything at this election. `` row Paul Oakden.

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This is Newark's chance to speak up for the people of Britain. There are

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about `` there were about 20 of you when we were there. Yes, and those

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20 people were the result of a couple of phone calls the night

:41:21.:41:22.

couple of phone calls the nhght before. We have since then been able

:41:23.:41:26.

to send out notable e`mail requests, make hundreds of calls. Do you think

:41:27.:41:29.

make hundreds of calls. Do xou think we can win? Absolutely, the 16,000

:41:30.:41:36.

we can win? Absolutely, the 16, 00 majority means nothing now. I

:41:37.:41:41.

Conservative MP that has had to leave out of disgrace, a Lib Dem

:41:42.:41:46.

party who are disintegrating. There are votes to be picked up, `nd

:41:47.:41:47.

party who are disintegrating. There are votes to be picked up, and we

:41:48.:41:47.

are votes to be picked up, `nd we are confident UKIP can do it.

:41:48.:41:50.

Fighting talk, David. If yot vote Fighting talk, David. If you vote

:41:51.:41:56.

conservative you will get a referendum in the next Parlhament,

:41:57.:41:57.

referendum in the next Parliament, and that is what you have to

:41:58.:42:05.

remember. Nigel Farage did not want to stand in this election. H wonder

:42:06.:42:11.

why? He has got no connection to Newark, which is a sensible attitude

:42:12.:42:13.

to take. David talks about ` to take. David talks about a

:42:14.:42:17.

referendum. They might be offering a referendum, but the Conserv`tives

:42:18.:42:19.

referendum, but the Conservatives are still fighting heart and soul to

:42:20.:42:21.

remain in the U `` EU. We met a lot remain in the U `` EU. We mdt a lot

:42:22.:42:28.

of people who are turning to UKIP. I am sure we could find many who are

:42:29.:42:34.

turning to the Conservatives, because we are addressing the

:42:35.:42:37.

immigration issues. We have got ourselves away from bailing out

:42:38.:42:42.

other European countries and we still have this great trading bloc

:42:43.:42:44.

which has enabled our econoly to which has enabled our economy to

:42:45.:42:45.

grow. We are the ones who c`n which has enabled our econoly to

:42:46.:42:48.

grow. We are the ones who can lead grow. We are the ones who can lead

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on Europe, and UKIP is a protest vote. Chris, we are told thhs is a

:42:51.:42:53.

vote. Chris, we are told this is a safe seat. Have Labour rid ht of?

:42:54.:42:56.

safe seat. Have Labour rid it of? No, it is useful you are putting the

:42:57.:43:01.

spotlight on some of these right wing candidates. People need to know

:43:02.:43:09.

what they are standing for. Your party believes there should be

:43:10.:43:12.

charges for people to see GPs. Maybe you could clear that one up. We are

:43:13.:43:17.

happy for the spotlight to be on UKIP. Chris has done what the Labour

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Party seem... Talking about UKIP only taking votes from the

:43:26.:43:28.

Conservative Party which is not true. People want to know what your

:43:29.:43:30.

policies are. People were s`ying to policies are. People were saying to

:43:31.:43:33.

us they are concerned that the issues that added to them locally

:43:34.:43:39.

are being sidelined. Local issues are important. We know about the

:43:40.:43:46.

closure of the A services in Newark. Wind farms are a good

:43:47.:43:51.

example. You have 13 new wind turbines and posed for an ex`RAF

:43:52.:43:56.

airfield. Our candidate has led the argument nationally. But yot will

:43:57.:44:00.

argument nationally. But you will not answer questions about what your

:44:01.:44:01.

true agenda is. Our agenda hs to not answer questions about what your

:44:02.:44:04.

true agenda is. Our agenda is to win true agenda is. Our agenda hs to win

:44:05.:44:08.

a seat in Westminster. Does UKIP believe that people should pay to

:44:09.:44:14.

see a GP? UKIP believes in common`sense policies, and our

:44:15.:44:17.

policies are driven by what the electorate are telling us they want.

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It is a straight question, though. You are talking about GPs and

:44:24.:44:28.

charging. That is a manifesto commitment that we will look to make

:44:29.:44:33.

before 2015. We have a manifesto being drafted at the moment. We are

:44:34.:44:40.

the party who are suggesting that GP surgeries are open longer. Is

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the party who are suggesting that GP surgeries are open longer. Hs it a

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yes or a no? At the moment there is nothing confirmed. Your health

:44:47.:44:51.

spokesman has said he believes that people should pay to see a GP. So he

:44:52.:44:57.

is wrong? He is your health spokesman. The old parties `re

:44:58.:45:01.

suggesting that the view of one person is the policy of an dntire

:45:02.:45:03.

arty. I don't want to intervene, but arty. I don't want to intervene, but

:45:04.:45:07.

the facts are if you are gohng arty. I don't want to intervene but

:45:08.:45:11.

the facts are if you are going to make progress in making change in

:45:12.:45:14.

Europe you have to vote conservative. UKIP hasn't got the

:45:15.:45:15.

power to do it. We have alrdady made power to do it. We have already made

:45:16.:45:22.

important changes will stop in this constituency we have a first`class

:45:23.:45:28.

local candidate, and we need to see a referendum in the next Parliament

:45:29.:45:35.

to renegotiate. UKIP cannot do that. But there was a sense that people

:45:36.:45:37.

want a change. They feel th`t this want a change. They feel th`t this

:45:38.:45:40.

is a time for change. Nobody else is a time for change. Nobody else

:45:41.:45:46.

can deliver the change. We have rebuilt the economy of the TK. We

:45:47.:45:48.

are racing ahead now, and we are the are racing ahead now, and wd are the

:45:49.:45:51.

only ones who can bring about are racing ahead now, and we are the

:45:52.:45:52.

only ones who can bring about change in Europe. Labour cannot do it, UKIP

:45:53.:45:58.

cannot do it. If you want changes in Europe, if you want to power brought

:45:59.:46:01.

back for the new K, food Conservative. I think you need

:46:02.:46:04.

back for the new K, food Conservative. I think you nded to

:46:05.:46:06.

Conservative. I think you need to show leadership in Europe. Going

:46:07.:46:13.

down that more Thatcherite than Thatcher route with UKIP, would be a

:46:14.:46:22.

big mistake. We are talking about UKIP taking votes from the

:46:23.:46:26.

Conservatives. It is just not true. UKIP are having more success if

:46:27.:46:31.

anything in Labour areas. Not if you're going to charge people to see

:46:32.:46:32.

a doctor. You keep talking `bout a doctor. You keep talking `bout

:46:33.:46:40.

that. The Lib Dems are not represented here. At least we know

:46:41.:46:43.

where they stand in Europe, they want to remain. You have got an MEP

:46:44.:46:52.

standing in the Newark. A safe pair of hands? `` Newark.

:46:53.:47:42.

therapies, and David's a long time `` long`term advocate. But are they

:47:43.:47:48.

a waste of time and money? I think the bouncer to a lot of

:47:49.:47:55.

problems medically are out there, and you

:47:56.:49:11.

on integrated health care. Should alter remedies be available on the

:49:12.:49:11.

NHS? They already are, including NHS? They already are, including

:49:12.:49:18.

homoeopathy. We desperately need an expansion of alternative medicine,

:49:19.:49:23.

because the Chief Medical Officer has published a book saying that

:49:24.:49:26.

antibiotic resistance is a major antibiotic resistance is a lajor

:49:27.:49:30.

problem. But herbal remedies cannot replace virtually? They can take the

:49:31.:49:33.

strain, they can replace sole strain, they can replace some

:49:34.:49:37.

treatments. Treatments that have been in use for 1000 years.

:49:38.:49:43.

Homoeopathic medicine, you can treat all kinds of minor complaints, keep

:49:44.:49:47.

people away from dog was, and empower them. And people `` keep

:49:48.:49:54.

them away from doctors. Jeremy Hunt asked the Chief Medical Offhcer to

:49:55.:49:56.

asked the Chief Medical Officer to look at them is a smack somd

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studies, `` some studies, and they were not seem to be inconclusive.

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Chris, what do you make of ht were not seem to be inconcltsive.

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Chris, what do you make of it all? Chris, what do you make of it all?

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Lots of people will have thdir own Lots of people will have their own

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views, and science has not xet views, and science has not yet

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discovered all the potential viewers out there, but if it is taxpayers'

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money it has got to be eviddnce lead. There might be a placebo

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lead. There might be a placdbo effect with some of these, but it is

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not good enough. I was looking at not good enough. I was looking at

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studies this week that show if France were dog is who use

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homoeopathic medicine can rdduce France were dog is who use

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homoeopathic medicine can reduce the homoeopathic medicine can reduce the

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drugs bill for the NHS by 14%. `` drugs bill for the NHS by 15%. ``

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doctors. So alternative medicine increases choice, reduces cost. You

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cannot just say... There is evidence, the National Insthtute for

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evidence, the National Institute for clinical excellence now provides

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acupuncture for lower back pain. At one time medics couldn't understand,

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right, then they discovered it was to do with contaminated watdr. They

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to do with contaminated water. They couldn't understand cholera. We

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should turn our blind eye to the fact that there are finite

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resources. Medical evidence has got to come first. It is cheap, safe and

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effective. And you are a fan. I have used it

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for 25 years. And you should be allowed to. But don't ask the

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taxpayer to do it. We have to leave it there!

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Time for a round`up of some of the other political stories in the East

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Midlands this week; here's John with 60 Seconds.

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The Green Party has condemndd a The Green Party has condemndd a

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decision by the struggling Co`op Group to sell off 15 farms as a job

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lot to raise cash. One of the farms is Staunton Estate in

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Leicestershire. The Greens say community groups should be given a

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chance to bid. The argument over the final resting

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place for Richard III broke out in the Commons this week. A Yorkshire

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MP said it should be decided by public consultation. The Lehcester

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public consultation. The Leicester South MP Jon Ashworth leapt to his

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city's defence. And the reldvant city's defence. And the relevant

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licence granted by the Ministry of Justice was very specific, that

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should Richard be found, his remains should be buried in Leicester.

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should be buried in Leicestdr. And finally, what do you do when

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your MP boss is forced to rdsign in disgrace? Patrick Mercer's former

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parliamentary assistant Ed Baker is also a talented musician. Hd's off

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to America to promote his jazz to America to promote his j`zz

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album, which has broken into the top 40 in the States. `` he is off to

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California. Nice(!) That's the Sunday Politics here in the East

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Midlands. Thanks to my guests, Chris and

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David. Next week we'll be looking at the local council and Europdan

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elections. Time to hand you back to Andrew Neil.

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the website now. Now it is back to you, Andrew.

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Welcome back, let's go straight to our panel. What did you make of Mr

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Alexander's defence of the Labour party election broadcast? It is

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difficult for them because they started by saying they were not

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going to do negative campaigning and they have thrown that away for an

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advert which is funny but crude in the class war sense. He didn't look

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thrilled to be defending it. There is a page in Tony Blair's memoirs

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talking about negative campaigning, and he says that anything too

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extreme turns off the average voter so his line of attack on Hague was

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funny jokes but... I think this failed the Blair test, it was too

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vicious. If your strategy is to shore up your car vote, that advert

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was genius. If your strategy is to reach out to a broader number of

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voters, Middle Britain, then that advert was a complete disaster. It

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looks like there is a lot of negativity and smears all round in

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the next year. That definitely looks the way we are going. They will be

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essentially trying to re-run by -- the American election. I am slightly

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puzzled why we cannot have our own election gurus who live here and

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understand the country. I should point out that the ?450 extra VAT

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that was claimed in that Labour poster, both Ed Balls and the Labour

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Treasury team have said that is ?450 per year. Nonsense the VAT rise, one

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year. I should also point out that Nigel Farage said to Norman Smith,

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the BBC is always reliable Norman Smith that if you run in Newark and

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lost the bubble would burst. I should also point out that although

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a number of the tax rises I mentioned on council tax, minimum

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wage tax and some other things that UKIP wants to cuts, a couple of

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these are in the local manifesto but several are not. They are on the

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UKIP website, which is still current and dated 2014. We like to make sure

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we are absolutely right. Let's talk about Nick Clegg and Michael Gove

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and the latest spat. Let me show you this headline in the Observer this

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morning. From both the Independent, he called him a zealot, lunatic is

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of -- another word. Do we take this seriously? It hinges on this

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question of what counts as an area of need in education. The Lib Dems

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say an area of need is one where there are not enough school places

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to meet local demand. He says it can also be a place where there are

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surplus places but that is for a reason. Local places don't trust

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those schools to do a good job for their kids. It surprises me because

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there isn't a yawning distance between David Laws and Michael Gove.

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David Laws has found himself between a rock and a hard place because I

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asked -- as I understand it most Lib Dems don't like the free schools but

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Mr laws was quite sympathetic to it and he is now having to this respect

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it. When they asked people who are the most hated politicians in a poll

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were this week, Michael Gove is off the charts, far above David Cameron

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or George Osborne. This is tit-for-tat war. The Liberal

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Democrats believe Michael Gove had a hand in leaking the document that

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showed Nick Clegg was opposing the tougher Chris Grayling position on

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knife crime. They are saying there were Cabinet ministers who never

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usually attend the sub Cabinet meeting, they turned up and the

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document is leaked so what we are getting is tit for tat on that. It

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is inevitable but it is not good for either side of the Coalition. Voters

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will look at it and say it is politics of the playground. I read

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in the Mail on Sunday this morning that some Tory insiders are accusing

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Lib Dems of spreading rumours about the camera in marriage. The

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rebuttals of education story is that the free school meals is sucking

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money away. I always thought they would work together without fuss and

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yet it has been more the source of disagreement then I would have

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expected a couple of years ago. Is it serious? It is serious obviously,

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using that language, but is it fatal for the Coalition? I think it is a

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road bump because I don't think anybody wants to dissolve the

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Coalition. It is a challenge for Labour because where do they stand

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on the free schools? They invented the Academy programme so it is

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difficult for them to take a hands-off approach at this stage.

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There was a danger for Michael Gove that he looks ideological but the

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danger for the Liberal Democrats is that they are breaking the rules for

:59:32.:59:35.

the Coalition they said that they wouldn't break which is that they

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looked like opposition in government. Is Michael Gove's

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position safe? Very safe. If he moves in a reshuffle that will be to

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a a job. That's all for today. The Daily Politics will be back on BBC

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Two at lunchtime from Tuesday onwards. I'll be back here on BBC

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One at 11am next week. Remember if it's Sunday, it's the Sunday

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Politics. What if the person

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that killed her... I found out she'd been taking drugs.

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Just let me explain. You wasn't at that party all night.

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Yeah, I was. What was she even doing there?

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Oi, you keep your mouth shut. She was exchanging a significant

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number of texts and calls with someone in the weeks

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leading up to her death. It's like we didn't

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really know her at all. You never know what goes on

:01:08.:01:13.

behind closed doors.

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