08/06/2014 Sunday Politics East Midlands


08/06/2014

Andrew Neil and Marie Ashby with the latest political news and debate, including an interview with Shadow Education Secretary Tristram Hunt.


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David Cameron slaps down two of his most senior Cabinet ministers

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over their public row about Islamist extremism in schools.

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And it?s HER special advisor that has to resign.

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We'll talk to the Shadow Education Secretary live.

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Should this man become the next President of the EU Commission?

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David Cameron has staked a lot on stopping Luxembourg Federalist

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But could the arch europhile yet get the top job?

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Here's to the quarter of a million votes.

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And we'll find out why this political party is celebrating with

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a pint down the pub and how their success may have cost UKIP two MEPs.

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We're live at the Showground with the town's new MP and

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Has Boris Johnson deserted the suburbs and become a zone one man?

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And with me our panel of top political journalists,

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who are always squabbling among themselves, Nick Watt, Polly Toynbee

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and Janan Ganesh, who will be tweeting throughout the programme

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This morning's political news is dominated

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by the very public fall-out of Home Secretary Theresa May and

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The high viz blue on blue spat between two senior

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Conservatives centred around the Government's approach to tackling

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The row burst into the open ahead of the publication tomorrow of

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investigations into the so-called Trojan Horse plot in Birmingham

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where it is alleged several state schools have been covertly taken

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Mr Gove told The Times last week he was concerned that the Home Office

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was unwilling to tackle extremism at its roots.

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He said a robust response was needed to drain the swamp.

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In response, Mrs May's special advisor tweeted,

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"why is the Department for Education wanting to blame other people

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Lord knows what more they have overlooked on the subject of the

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An angry David Cameron ordered a speedy inquiry.

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Last night, Mr Gove apologised to the Prime Minister, while Ms May's

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Speaking on the BBC earlier this morning

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this is what Foreign Secretary, William Hague, had to say.

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There's been a disciplinary matter within the Government,

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which the Prime Minister has dealt with in a very firm, clear way.

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There will be discipline in the Government.

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The main thing is the issue itself - tackling extremism in schools.

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The Government will be very clear, very robust about anything that s

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put children at risk - risk to their safety or learning.

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Let's look at the positive of this. Theresa May 's people of saying she

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has come off worse in theirs. Yelena Kushi is no more guilty than Michael

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Gove he was guilty of indiscretion. She is no more guilty. Even during

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13 years of new Labour 's psychodrama, I cannot remember an

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act of hostility quite as naked as direct as publishing on a website

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and intergovernmental letter. It suggests quite a lot of

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conservatives do not think they will win next time. Why would there be a

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leadership spat going on like this unless they thought there was a

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vacancy? Inside the Cabinet, Theresa May is getting quite a bashing. In

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the Sunday Times, someone has reported she is the date from hell.

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She sidles up to people and is nakedly ambitious. I think that is

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interesting. On the whole, nobody will understand the finesse

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differences of opinion. It is not serious, it is not serious, it is

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tactical. It'll be puzzling for most people and will probably fizzle out.

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Has the Prime Minister slapped it down or will it rumble on? On the

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politics of it, it will not fizzle out. What you have is Theresa May is

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deadly serious about replacing David Cameron, not dislodging him but

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replacing him if there is a vacancy. Michael Gove is deadly serious in

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ensuring George Osborne succeeds David Cameron. It will be that

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ongoing political rivalry. What is really interesting about this is the

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Prime Minister is absolutely fed up with both of them. He is fed up with

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Michael Gove full-size gearing of message. He had the row with Nick

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Clegg and he had a row with Theresa May. He named Charles Barr and

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criticised him in a lunch with the times. White brother he is the

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Security adviser at the Home Office. -- he is the security advisor. He is

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fed up with Theresa May for mounting an unannounced leader bid. What

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separates Theresa May from Michael Gove on dealing with extremism? The

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view from Michael Gove is that it shows no interest in Islamic

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extremism until it manifests in violent form. Theresa May is

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criticised for rolling back the programme which the previous Labour

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government introduced to do with the previous Labour government

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introduced to do with the Home Office has been made by other people

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and made when the Home Office was not run by Theresa May but previous

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home secretaries, even dating back to the Conservative government in

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the 1990s. It is about the laxity of the Government. Michael Gove has

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used extraordinary inflammatory language talking about draining the

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swamp. I think Theresa May 's view is you can very easily inflamed

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those emotions and create many more extremists the process. Michael Gove

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would say that his approach is entirely consistent with the speech

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the Prime Minister made to the Munich Security conference in 2 11

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when the Prime Minister talked about how extremists

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warp the grape great religion of Islam. The Birmingham school system

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is going to be one of the most reported systems in Europe.

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Joining me now from Kent is Shadow Education Secretary Tristram Hunt.

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Should parents of Birmingham children be worried that some of

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their schools are in the grip of an Islamist takeover? I think parents

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in Birmingham schools will be very disappointed by the political

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infighting going on in the Government. The briefings, the

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resignations, the apologies. The real apology that Michael Gove needs

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to deliver it to the pupil -- the pupils and parents of Birmingham.

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There was a potential threat of radicalisation. He fell to act for

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four years. The Labour Party is asking, when did he know the fact

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that radicalisation could have been taking place? What has been going on

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for the last four years? What we in the Labour Party want to see if much

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stronger systems of local oversight and accountability to situations

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like this do not arise again. Is there, in your view, if some of the

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Birmingham schools, an Islamist takeover? What we have seen in the

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leaked Ofsted report so far is fears about cultural isolation and an

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overconcentration on Islamic teaching within the curriculum. We

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want young people to celebrate their cultural identity, celebrate

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themselves as Muslims. We also want them to have an education which

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makes them succeed in multicultural 21st-century Birmingham. We want to

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be quite tough on moves towards gender segregation, a restricted

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curriculum. Birmingham is a multicultural city. We need an

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education system which celebrates that. What is wrong with gender

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segregation? You went to an all boys school. Where you have gender

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segregation, we have had a long tradition in Catholic schooling

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Where you have a state education system, which is about gender

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equality between boys and girls and there is an unofficial policy of

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gender segregation, that is unacceptable. We should not be

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tarring communities with the same brush in terms of radicalisation. We

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do want to see a successful, multicultural education. Two years

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ago, Ofsted rated Parkview as outstanding. Now it looks like

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tomorrow it is going into special measures. What is it up to? I do

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think there is an issue for Ofsted that you can go from outstanding to

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inadequate so quickly. That is why we are asking for a new criteria to

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be introduced to look at a broad and balanced curriculum. We have healthy

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sex and relationship education. There is a real issue this morning

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as the BBC has been reporting on the night for the Department of

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Education. We are hearing that some of those involved in the schools

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were not allowed to open a free school on security grounds. They

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were allowed to allow one of the schools to be taken over as an

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academy. We have a lack of oversight and accountability in schools within

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Birmingham. What the Labour Party wants is a local director of school

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standards to make sure we challenge underperformance and make sure we

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get in confronting Islamic extremism when it was in power? I was speaking

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to Hazel blears and she was very clear about the prevent programme

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which they rolled out when in office. A very atomised and

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fragmented school system where every school is looked at from behind a

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desk in Whitehall and he put that together and you do have an

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increased risk of chances of radicalisation. You have attacked Mr

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Gove for gross negligence. Was it the same -- you attacked Mr Gove for

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gross negligence. We are dealing with a government which has been in

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since 2010. The Government needs to hold the executive to account. We

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note the Department Michael Gove was warned by a senior and respected

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head teacher about fears over radicalism. What did he know and

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what did he act upon? We are hearing more reports of conversations about

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fears, about radicalisation, taking over some of the governing bodies of

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schools. We need to know what ministers did. Let me continue. You

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mention the capital to prevent strategy. Was it gross negligence

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for Labour to regularly consult a man who once headed a group

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dedicated to making Britain an Islamic state and wrote a book about

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schools full of Taliban style decrees. I think the events in

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Birmingham are enormously significant. About the nature of

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multiculturalism, the nature of education, the role of civic

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education, the role of faith schools. I will say to you this

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morning that Birmingham City Council, Ofsted, the Labour Party,

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the Department for Education were all involved in this conversation.

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In 2010, ministers were warned about potential radicalisation of schools

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and they fell to act. We need to know why, for years on, they allowed

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this situation to exacerbate. When you look at the record of labour and

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this government 's record, there are plenty of examples where both of you

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fail to act. Would it not be better to drop the party politics and get

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together to confront this problem for the sake of the children?

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have come forward with the Bishop of Birmingham talking about faith in

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schools. If you have a minister failing to do their job, if you have

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a minister being given warnings in 2010 and failing to act on them for

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four years, the opposition has a role to hold the executive to

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account. This is about the safety and standards of teaching for pupils

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in Birmingham schools. It is about a great education for these young

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people so they can succeed in a modern, multicultural Britain. Do

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you agree with your Shadow Cabinet colleague, Rachel Reeves, that

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Labour' as core voters are abandoning the party? She was

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Labour' as core voters are the European Union. I am clear what

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I want to achieve for Britain's future, to secure Britain's placed

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in a reformed European Union and I have a strategy for delivering

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that, a strategy for dealing with an issue which I think if we walk away

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from it would see Britain drift towards the exits.

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We've been joined from Berlin by the German MEP Elmar Brok who is

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a senior figure in the EPP - that's the party backing Mr Juncker.

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He's also Chairman of the Union of European Federalists.

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And in our Newcastle newsroom is the former Conservative MEP Martin

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Callanan who until last month led the European Conservatives

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and Reformists group in Brussels. Welcome to you both.

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The United Kingdom, Sweden, Hungary, they don't want Mr Junker, the new

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Italian Prime Minister doesn't look keen either, should he bow out

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gracefully? First of all, he wants to have Mr Junker but he wants to

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have his conditions. Will he become president of the European Council, a

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high representative? It is a discussion to be had in the next

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three or four weeks until the European Parliament can elect the

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president of the European Council after the proposal of the European

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Council, which has to be done after consultation with the Parliament in

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the light of the European elections and by a majority vote. If not Mr

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Junker, then who? There are many available candidates, I am not going

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to mention them in front of someone so esteemed as Elmar Brok. Give us

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one name that you would prefer? The prime Minister of Sweden, Christine

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Lagarde, the minister from Lithuania, these are people who have

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a record of old reform. Junker is the ultimate Europe insider. We need

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radical inform. We need to respond to the message the electorate gave

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us in the elections -- radical reform. Junker said he had to lie in

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public, he allowed the security services to conduct a dirty tricks

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campaign against his opponent. This is not who we want leading the

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European Commission. Elmar Brok since the European voters have sent

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a message to the parliament that they are not happy with the status

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quo, why would you want a man who is synonymous with the status quo?

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First of all what Martin has said is wrong. He has not done tricks

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against his opponents. He was very clear on that. He is also the man

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who was always for changes. He made dramatic changes as head of the Euro

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group, came out of the economic crisis which was a result of the

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financial crisis, made politics possible, to stop this incredible

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financial sector influence of our states. I believe he is a man who

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works on the programme which Mrs Merkel and others have decided in

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Dublin, for the reform of the European Union, less government But

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we need Europe more and he is not a man from the 80s. He is a man of

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this century and in this century he made his own policy. He is the

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winner of the European elections, he has a majority will stop Mrs

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LANguard is not running because she knows she will not get the majority

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in the European Parliament. -- Christine Lagarde is not running. It

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is the Council of minister is that decides. No, the European Parliament

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has the final word. The European Council can make a proposal by

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majority in the light of the European elections after

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consultation with the European Parliament. The council cannot get a

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candidate against the will of the European Parliament. Mr Junker has a

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majority in the European Parliament. Theoretically he is right, the

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Parliament has do vote on the candidates proposed by the council.

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I want to challenge the view that somehow he won the European

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elections. There is no provision for Jean Claude Junker to stand in the

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elections. He is saying that the EEP party got the most number of seats

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in the Parliament but none of the electorate knew they were taking

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part in this election. How many people who voted Labour in the

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United Kingdom realised that their vote would count towards a German

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socialist to be a candidate for the commission of presidency is a

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nonsensical proposal. The elections were 28 individual elections with

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hundreds of parties across Europe. To try to claim there is a

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democratic mandate for somebody nobody has heard from Luxembourg to

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take over the commission is a nonsense. People should know him, if

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I should say that ironically. Newspapers talking about members of

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the family of his wife with Nazi links... What is the answer to

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Martin Callinan's point? I think it is clear that British Conservatives

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have no candidate because they are not a broad European family, they

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have not impacted on the selection of top candidates but it is a form

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of isolation of the British Tory Party. The Prime Minister said if Mr

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Junker is appointed it could lead to Britain drifting towards the EU

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exit, is that credible? Is it melodramatic? It is true that we

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want to renegotiate the relationship. We want some serious

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reform in Europe so the people who vote in a referendum will be able to

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vote to stay in if that is what they want. We need a bold reformer,

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somebody prepared to engage. That is not anti the interests of the UK. We

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need to recognise there is a problem with public perception of the

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European Union. Elmar Brok is proud to be one of the last bastions of

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federalism that that is not where most of the public opinion is in

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Europe. I understand why he wants his man installed but we need to

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take into account the message of the letter -- the electorate. 25% of the

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publishing of France were prepared to vote for an openly racist party.

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We can't just ignore the signal that the electorate were sending us. If

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enthusiasm for federalism was at an all-time low, it would be a slap in

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the face for the voters of Europe to have a federalist as the president,

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would it not? 70, 80% of the members of the European Parliament, selected

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by their people, are pro-Europeans. These are the winners of the

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European elections. Even in France, a majority of voters have voted

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pro-European and that should be clear, not to make this a populist

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thing which is not only to do with Europe. And we want to have a Europe

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which is strong, the member states should do their things. We do not

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want to have a European centralism, we do not want a European state

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This is not at stake. Let's talk about the question of better

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governance, let's talk about what was wrong in the past, we have to

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become better, to change our programme in that question. That

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should be the way we lead to come to positive results. Thank you for

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that. Before we go, there is a British commissioner that needs to

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be appointed to Brussels, do you like the sound of that? These are

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matters for the Prime Minister, I am sure he has many excellent

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candidates. Do you like the sound of it? Like previous British

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commissioners, Chris Patten, Neil clinic, I have just lost an election

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-- Neil Kinnock for the everybody who is asked would serve, I'm sure.

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Just days ago UKIP were celebrating topping the poll in the European

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They're claiming they'd have had two more MEPs

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and the Greens two fewer had another party not confused the electorate.

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What's more UKIP say it's the fault of the body

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which was set up to oversee elections - the Electoral Commission

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This is a party celebrating success at the European elections. They

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didn't win a single MEP but nationally polled 250,000 votes

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They are an independence from Europe, mostly people who were once

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in UKIP, and that is rather the point. They may look like capers,

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drink like capers, sound like capers -- -- sound like kippers, but they

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are not. The name and the logo were displayed on this banner when the

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party launched its campaign. UKIP suggest the look, the wording and

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the inclusion of UK in now confused voters, and are looking at rewriting

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such a wrong. The way that seats are allocated in a European election

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under a proportional representation system is using this formula. It was

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invented by a Belgian mathematician in 1878 and it is essentially this.

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When all of the votes have been tallied up, the one with the most

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seats gets the first MEPC in a region. The others are allocated

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using votes cast divided by the number of seats gained plus one --

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first MEP seat in a region. UKIP were concerned with South West and

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London. There they say, when the last MEP seats were being allocated,

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if everyone who had voted for an independence from Europe had meant

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to vote for UKIP and you tallied their votes up, and added them to

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UKIP, UKIP would have been up one in each region and the greens would

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have lost them. Whether you can prove that voters did that by

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mistake is a very different matter. UKIP may have to just chalk it up to

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experience. It has happened before, back in the European elections of

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1994. Then in England under the first past the post system. This

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man, Richard Huggett, decided to stand as a little Democrat and

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polled a significant number of votes. The Liberal Democrat

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candidate at the time is now an MP. Many people voted and afterwards

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realised that they had bubbly voted for -- probably voted for a little

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Democrat, not a Liberal Democrat as they had been intending to do -

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bubbly voted for a literal Democrat -- probably voted.

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Mr Sanders got some consolation In 1998, laws came into rule on

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so-called spoiler tactics and the Electoral Commission was

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established. The Electoral Commission are based on the seventh

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floor of this building and they did look into this issue prior to

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voting. They have given us a statement that reveals the

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conclusion they came to, part of which says, we decided that the name

:28:44.:28:47.

of the party, and its description are sufficiently different to those

:28:48.:28:53.

registered by the UK Independence Party, UKIP, to mean, in our

:28:54.:28:57.

opinion, that voters were not likely to be confused if they appeared on

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the same ballot paper. Pretty conclusive stuff. Back at the pub,

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were an independence from Europe just being crafty, or do UKIP need

:29:09.:29:12.

to wake up and smell the flowers? We attack them in all areas. An

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independent study for Anglo Netherlands because I was involved

:29:19.:29:21.

in the Dutch -- with the Dutch member of Parliament and the

:29:22.:29:26.

description was UK Independence now, nobody has a monopoly on the word

:29:27.:29:31.

independence. I have been fighting for independence since I started in

:29:32.:29:38.

1994, before I joined UKIP. The party tell me they will stand again

:29:39.:29:41.

at the general election next year. The ironies not lost on them or the

:29:42.:29:48.

major parties of UKIP complaining that a smaller party has been taking

:29:49.:29:49.

votes of them. Joining me now to discuss

:29:50.:29:58.

this story is Gawain Towler. He's the UKIP candidate for the

:29:59.:30:02.

South West region, who failed to get And in our Bristol studios is

:30:03.:30:05.

the victorious Green MEP for How many of the 23,000 votes that

:30:06.:30:21.

were cast for the Independence party were meant for you? Impossible to

:30:22.:30:25.

tell. I want to congratulate Molly for getting elected. They are the

:30:26.:30:31.

breaks. I do not think there is a purpose in complaining about boats

:30:32.:30:38.

that are cast. Do you think you would have one otherwise? Yes, I do.

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You have to look at the would have one otherwise? Yes, I do.

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You have to look boats for parties people have not heard of and those

:30:50.:30:52.

with a long tradition that people have heard of. I do not think there

:30:53.:30:59.

is any doubt. If you saw the spoiled ballot papers, the amount of people

:31:00.:31:05.

who had voted at the top and the bottom, most people are not anoraks,

:31:06.:31:11.

they say, they are the people I want. They know what they are after.

:31:12.:31:26.

I think it is at least told. It is said you owe your seat to And

:31:27.:31:34.

Independence Party. It is strange for a man to say he could represent

:31:35.:31:38.

people in the south-west better than me. There has been outpouring of

:31:39.:31:45.

delight that a Green MP has finally been elected. A number of people

:31:46.:31:52.

have been saying they have been voting all their lives and it is the

:31:53.:31:55.

first time they have elected anybody. I am glad to represent them

:31:56.:32:01.

in a significant legislature. What would you say to that? I find it

:32:02.:32:07.

strange. I am perfectly happy for her to be elected. I feel the

:32:08.:32:14.

electoral commission has questions to answer. But, congratulations to

:32:15.:32:21.

Molly. Why do you want an extra seat for the Greens in the European

:32:22.:32:24.

Parliament but your national share of the vote actually fell. We did

:32:25.:32:31.

come under pressure nationally. If he is complaining about the role the

:32:32.:32:35.

election commission said we could stand, the rule we were not happy

:32:36.:32:40.

with was the off, ruling which said we were not a main party. We got

:32:41.:32:44.

significantly less media time and that is why our belt actually fell.

:32:45.:32:51.

Not on the Daily Politics or the Sunday Politics, where you were well

:32:52.:32:59.

represented. Was it a problem for UKIP in other parts of the country?

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Only in London. What do you think happened there? Very much the same.

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I do not think there is any doubt, the number of people we have had

:33:22.:33:24.

getting in touch saying, I am really sorry, I made a mess, that they

:33:25.:33:30.

voted for the wrong party. They are the breaks. Politics is politics.

:33:31.:33:34.

What I would like to see and what is reasonable, and I hope Molly would

:33:35.:33:42.

agree, there needs to be a reform - a serious reform of the Electoral

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Commission. There is no appeal process. They say it is not

:33:47.:33:51.

confusing. Lets see if she thinks that. I make it a policy never to

:33:52.:33:58.

agree with UKIP. What is important to note, if you look at the votes

:33:59.:34:02.

and the way the votes fell out and the seats fell out in the

:34:03.:34:06.

south-west, it is difficult for an Electoral Commission to turn boats

:34:07.:34:11.

into seats. UKIP got 33% of the vote and 33% of the seats. For them, the

:34:12.:34:17.

system worked very well in the south-west. Nationally, Greens did

:34:18.:34:23.

not get represented as the vote share would require. That is because

:34:24.:34:28.

you get very small number of seats in the different regions and you

:34:29.:34:32.

have to reach a high threshold. The Green Party has a right to complain

:34:33.:34:36.

about the level of seats we have ended up with. White rapper you have

:34:37.:34:39.

complaints about the Electoral Commission? We need to move to a

:34:40.:34:46.

proportional system for elections generally. If we poll around 7% 8%,

:34:47.:34:53.

we should be looking at having 0, 40 seats in the national

:34:54.:34:58.

legislature. We need to consider proportional representation for

:34:59.:35:00.

national elections. Do you accept the ballot paper may have confused

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some people? I think what happened is that some people in UKIP were

:35:06.:35:11.

very worried. Worried about the rightward move of UKIP and the

:35:12.:35:15.

authoritarian leadership of Nigel Farage. He set up a separate party.

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That is what happens in politics, particularly when parties are led by

:35:22.:35:29.

demagogues and are not focused on Democratic policy. Do you have any

:35:30.:35:37.

legal redress to this? None whatsoever. Have you had legal

:35:38.:35:44.

advice? I am told there is no redress. We do feel, I am sure Molly

:35:45.:35:50.

does not agree with UKIP on anything so, if we say the sun rises in the

:35:51.:35:55.

morning, she probably will disagree with that. If, at the next election,

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there is a party called the Grown Party, will she then complain? There

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needs to be some level of accountability and, without that,

:36:11.:36:15.

one wonders what is going on. We have an organisation with enormous

:36:16.:36:19.

and important power and influence which is setup to stop this of thing

:36:20.:36:26.

going on. It has failed. Not has it has failed. Not present served in

:36:27.:36:30.

Tower Hamlets and there have been massive problems with postal votes.

:36:31.:36:34.

It is failing on almost everything it is supposed to do. Just to go

:36:35.:36:40.

back for a final point from Molly. Should there be a right of appeal to

:36:41.:36:45.

the rulings of the Electoral Commission? You need to have an

:36:46.:36:48.

authoritative body that makes decisions in this area and we have

:36:49.:36:50.

the Electoral Commission. We say goodbye to viewers

:36:51.:37:11.

in Scotland, who leave us now Coming up here in 20 minutes,

:37:12.:37:16.

we'll be discussing extremism are the newly elected MP for Newark.

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What does that feel like? It is a great honour and I was absolutely

:39:17.:39:19.

delighted. It has been a hard`fought campaign. I have been campahgning

:39:20.:39:24.

since November so I did not just turn up for the by`election. It has

:39:25.:39:28.

been a long road so I am delighted, very happy, and I want to work hard

:39:29.:39:34.

and repay the trust local pdople here have put into me. Norm`lly

:39:35.:39:39.

young MPs into the House of Commons as one of a big class. The class of

:39:40.:39:45.

2014 is won and that's me! So hopefully it is good for Newark as

:39:46.:39:49.

well. Hopefully we will havd more profile than we would otherwise have

:39:50.:39:54.

had. You are not the new MP for Newark. How does that feel? Of

:39:55.:39:59.

course we campaigned and intended to win. Coming second is never as good

:40:00.:40:03.

as coming first, but, at thd same time, we increased our shardd by a

:40:04.:40:08.

factor of six and halved thd Conservative majority and what we

:40:09.:40:16.

showed, importantly, is that those who vote UKIP in Euro electhons a

:40:17.:40:19.

very high proportion of thel are prepared to come forward to

:40:20.:40:21.

Westminster elections and vote UKIP again. But you still didn't win We

:40:22.:40:26.

didn't win but we are clearly the main first challenger to thd Tories

:40:27.:40:30.

in Tory seats, and of coursd previous by`election experidnce

:40:31.:40:34.

shows we are the main first challenger to Labour in Labour

:40:35.:40:37.

seats, and that will take us through to success in 2015. They ard right,

:40:38.:40:46.

aren't they, Vernon? Well, we will put forward what we believe and we

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will take on the Tories and expose them for the failings of thd

:40:52.:40:55.

Government as we see them and we will also expose Europe and hold

:40:56.:40:59.

UKIP to account for the polhcies they promote. Just a few daxs ago,

:41:00.:41:03.

for example, the UKIP leader saying they are in favour of gramm`r

:41:04.:41:09.

schools. I think when peopld start to pick apart UKIP they will be ..

:41:10.:41:15.

But a hugely disappointing result for Labour? We brought forw`rd

:41:16.:41:21.

hugely important local issuds. The local MP will have to see where he

:41:22.:41:27.

stands with respect to things like Newark Hospital and the A

:41:28.:41:34.

department. We will hold Robert Jenrette to account to see whether

:41:35.:41:39.

he delivers on the promises they have made. So, all eyes on xou, as I

:41:40.:41:47.

said. You going to deliver? well, yes, to me, the election was local

:41:48.:41:53.

people having a choice as to who they wanted to be their constituency

:41:54.:41:57.

MP and who they thought was the most credible person to represent their

:41:58.:42:02.

area. Where do you stand on the East Coast line? I said in the c`mpaign

:42:03.:42:08.

infrastructure is the key and the infrastructure of the town, so road,

:42:09.:42:15.

rail and broadband. I said H am not ideological on the east coast line.

:42:16.:42:19.

I want the best possible service for passengers and if we can get fares

:42:20.:42:23.

down and increase the number of services on the line, as yot see,

:42:24.:42:27.

for example, on the West Co`st Main Line, where investment in rolling

:42:28.:42:31.

stock has been around 300 mhllion in recent years compared to 30 or 0 on

:42:32.:42:35.

the East Coast Main Line, so if we could get that in the process of

:42:36.:42:38.

returning it to private owndrship, I think that is the best thing to

:42:39.:42:52.

people up here in Newark and the surrounding area, Roger. Is that

:42:53.:42:54.

something you overlooked in your campaign? Concentrating on

:42:55.:42:55.

immigration? In any by`election campaign, you have national issues

:42:56.:42:59.

and local issues. It would be a huge mistake to ignore either. I would

:43:00.:43:03.

have been committed to camp`igning to getting the A back. We talked

:43:04.:43:09.

about flood defences and local schools, local transport and

:43:10.:43:14.

infrastructure. So, yes, we focused on local as well as national issues.

:43:15.:43:20.

Where did you go wrong here, Vernon? Because you had a local candidate

:43:21.:43:24.

but he just wasn't getting the message through? I thought we fought

:43:25.:43:27.

a campaign on the local isstes, as you said. What we actually put

:43:28.:43:35.

forward was what we thought were policies which were important to the

:43:36.:43:39.

people of Newark, and come the general election and next ydar, when

:43:40.:43:42.

people are making decisions about who they want to run the cotntry,

:43:43.:43:45.

rather than making protests and voting Tory to prevent UKIP from

:43:46.:43:51.

winning, as we saw in a locked. . But a lot of Lib Dem voters did vote

:43:52.:43:57.

UKIP, didn't they? Sorry, a lot of Lib Dem voters voted Tory. They

:43:58.:44:02.

voted Tory in order to prevdnt UKIP winning and I think that is

:44:03.:44:06.

significant. That is worrying, though. They could do that `gain!

:44:07.:44:11.

When you start to make choices about who you want to run the country and

:44:12.:44:15.

who you want to walk into 10 Downing Street, that will make people

:44:16.:44:19.

realise and think about where they place their vote, and clearly, they

:44:20.:44:22.

won't want to see Nigel Far`ge walking into Downing Street, or

:44:23.:44:27.

indeed, getting members of Parliament into Parliament where

:44:28.:44:30.

they are going to talk about the sorts of things we have heard them

:44:31.:44:34.

talking about on integration. Well, you know that it would have been

:44:35.:44:39.

extremely unpopular talking about immigration in your party. Where you

:44:40.:44:45.

let down by Nigel Farage? D`vid Cameron came here ten times to

:44:46.:44:50.

support his candidate. Nigel Farage only came twice. That tells me they

:44:51.:44:55.

cared a bit more about the seat I was delighted... He was not on

:44:56.:45:04.

holiday! May I answer the qtestion, if you don't mind! I was delighted

:45:05.:45:08.

he came when he did and we had a day `` we had a fantastic pre`election

:45:09.:45:16.

talk. He is a figure who colmands enormous media attention. You

:45:17.:45:19.

described him as box office in the Telegraph. But is that not ` problem

:45:20.:45:27.

for candidates like yourself? He is the leader of our party and our

:45:28.:45:30.

delegation in Brussels and our group in Brussels and he has lots of

:45:31.:45:36.

pulls on his time. It's been quite a show

:45:37.:45:40.

the last few weeks here in Newark. But what has the town got ott

:45:41.:45:43.

of a by`election? Our political editor, John Hess

:45:44.:45:46.

looks back at how the country's top politicians

:45:47.:45:48.

have been falling over our It feels as though the circts has

:45:49.:45:55.

finally left town and it can all be swept away, but how easy will it be

:45:56.:45:58.

to sweep away those election pledges? Newark has two railway

:45:59.:46:04.

stations. Northgate, with its fast links to King's Cross, making London

:46:05.:46:09.

128 miles away in just over an hour's journey, and then thdre is

:46:10.:46:16.

the Cinderella service, the Castle line. Just under an hour to cover

:46:17.:46:22.

just 40 miles! But is this railway Cinderella about to go to the ball?

:46:23.:46:26.

The train service is not up to scratch. We should be improving our

:46:27.:46:31.

services between Lincoln and Nottingham and Newark, making sure

:46:32.:46:33.

they are more regular and that there is a direct service to Notthngham.

:46:34.:46:38.

It is all about securing Newark s economic future and the whole of the

:46:39.:46:44.

East Midlands. The future of the hospital was another local campaign

:46:45.:46:50.

issue. Would Accident Emergency be reinstated? The Labour Leaddr, Ed

:46:51.:46:54.

Miliband, toured the wards. People are deeply worried about thd

:46:55.:46:58.

downgrading of the A here. Labour is pledging to have 48 hour access

:46:59.:47:03.

with your GP and that is good for health services but it is also good

:47:04.:47:07.

for the hospital as well, bdcause you get people coming to thd

:47:08.:47:12.

hospital, and I heard this today, you cannot get proper access. Jeremy

:47:13.:47:18.

Hunt also came here and within a week the head of NHS England

:47:19.:47:22.

announced a significant polhcy change. Services will no longer be

:47:23.:47:26.

shifted to because that is `s a matter of course. Instead, smaller

:47:27.:47:29.

hospitals will have enhanced services. Is that another shgn of

:47:30.:47:35.

the by`election affect? How are you going to improve the area's schools?

:47:36.:47:40.

On the eve of the poll, a round table candidate debate at r`dio

:47:41.:47:46.

Nottingham. This election commitment was made about local schools. The

:47:47.:47:52.

school is going to be rebuilt, it is going to be fantastic. I reviewed

:47:53.:47:55.

the plans with the headteacher and we are going to move forward from

:47:56.:47:59.

there. I want to see Magnus have the same treatment and Toothill, because

:48:00.:48:06.

they have another block unddr way and there is clearly more to be

:48:07.:48:14.

done. Michael Gove also camd to talk up plans about rebuilding the

:48:15.:48:22.

town's rundown secondary schools. And this was Nigel Farage on a

:48:23.:48:29.

visit. I get it, I understand it. Over the months to come on Sunday

:48:30.:48:35.

Politics, we will keep an exe on how and when those pledges are

:48:36.:48:36.

fulfilled. In a moment, we'll be finding out

:48:37.:48:40.

what our guests think about that. But first let's go to Tim P`rker,

:48:41.:48:43.

who's down there, I am in amongst the British bulldog

:48:44.:49:01.

festival looking at how to help rescue dogs. They are a passing

:49:02.:49:05.

grade but they can slobber ` bit and my next guest knows all abott that,

:49:06.:49:09.

we both do, because we have already had some of that around our legs

:49:10.:49:16.

this afternoon! Let's talk `bout the effect UKIP has been having,

:49:17.:49:22.

especially recently. Put thdse results into perspective. What does

:49:23.:49:27.

it mean for them? For UKIP, this is actually quite is accessibld result.

:49:28.:49:31.

Nigel Farage has recently come out and said, listen, we did not expect

:49:32.:49:35.

to win. And I think that is probably true. That is not an area conducive

:49:36.:49:45.

`` normally conducive to th`t demographic but I think it has done

:49:46.:49:49.

what they wanted, meaning they were able to show they are seriots

:49:50.:49:54.

contenders for ACT in Westmhnster. Right across the East Midlands, many

:49:55.:50:02.

seats have been divided with Labour in that way. How is the UKIP

:50:03.:50:12.

landscape going to change that? That is the interesting thing. For a long

:50:13.:50:14.

time there was this percepthon that they were pulling from the Tory

:50:15.:50:19.

Party. And what we have seen recently through the Europe`n

:50:20.:50:22.

elections is that that is not only the case, so they have actu`lly been

:50:23.:50:27.

pulling a lot of traditional Labour supporters, which I think w`s

:50:28.:50:32.

unexpected from the party's perspective, so perhaps Labour was

:50:33.:50:39.

not expecting that. One intdresting thing to see will be that in

:50:40.:50:42.

different constituencies, all the parties will have to be prepared to

:50:43.:50:45.

take this challenge from UKHP because they are not sure where this

:50:46.:50:50.

support will come from. We have heard on this programme alrdady that

:50:51.:50:53.

they are the challenger in so many seas. You think that's right? ``

:50:54.:51:03.

seats. It will be interesting to see because they have had a challenge

:51:04.:51:08.

transferring their European success into a general election, but one of

:51:09.:51:13.

the things we see with this data, this survey data, is that they say

:51:14.:51:18.

they will stay loyal in a gdneral election but if that is the case,

:51:19.:51:22.

they will be strong challengers across a number of seats in

:51:23.:51:26.

different parts of the country, including in the north`east and the

:51:27.:51:30.

North West. So it is a bit soon to tell. There is much work to be done

:51:31.:51:34.

in the next year but it could be true. Finally, this makes otr job

:51:35.:51:38.

very difficult in terms of predicting what will happen next. It

:51:39.:51:44.

will be very unpredictable hn the next year. UKIP will have to do a

:51:45.:51:48.

lot of work, particularly on a domestic programme. They have been

:51:49.:51:54.

very successful at deepening amongst groups already likely to support

:51:55.:51:58.

them but if they want to take seats, they need to cut across these

:51:59.:52:02.

groups who traditionally don't favour UKIP, and women in p`rticular

:52:03.:52:07.

will be a challenge for UKIP, so if they can do this, we are gohng to

:52:08.:52:10.

see a very ample addict for situation, which, for peopld like

:52:11.:52:17.

me, means it is very exciting. `` a very unpredictable situation. I m

:52:18.:52:22.

going to go along here and have a go at naming some of these dogs after

:52:23.:52:31.

that! So, talking about the potential way UKIP can make gains.

:52:32.:52:36.

There are plenty of marginal seats where all it takes is anothdr 1 ,000

:52:37.:52:44.

votes and you are in troubld. I am thinking Sherwood, rock Stowe, and

:52:45.:52:50.

the valley, all of those pl`ces It was a by`election and those are in

:52:51.:52:55.

a sense, a test of the government. In Newark 50% of people chose to

:52:56.:52:59.

stick with the Government. H think that is because things are hmproving

:53:00.:53:04.

locally and nationally. We have had almost 8000 jobs created since 010

:53:05.:53:08.

here. The East Midlands is the fastest`growing part of the British

:53:09.:53:12.

economy. Of course there is a way to go but things are improving and the

:53:13.:53:16.

feedback I had on the doorstep is that people don't want to ttrn back

:53:17.:53:20.

the clock and risk the recovery so I do have confidence in my fellow

:53:21.:53:25.

MPs, in the likes of Sherwood. Some of the analysis we have been looking

:53:26.:53:29.

at points to the fact that xou might have, Roger, a problem with women

:53:30.:53:34.

voters. They don't seem to like Nigel Farage. You call him box

:53:35.:53:38.

office, they might disagree. Not all of them, clearly. But in sole of the

:53:39.:53:43.

polls we have seen. You will see they are either preferred bx men or

:53:44.:53:51.

women with any party. We just had 24 UKIP MEPs elected and six of those

:53:52.:53:55.

women, and they are very good women indeed. You probably saw Di`ne James

:53:56.:54:00.

on the coverage of the by`election on the Andrew Neil Show. Shd was

:54:01.:54:04.

superb so I am delighted we are now putting forward very strong and

:54:05.:54:08.

capable women as UKIP MEPs `nd I believe that will appeal to women

:54:09.:54:13.

voters. Woodward talking about the potential for UKIP to get into these

:54:14.:54:17.

marginal seats. `` we were talking. You must be feeling more vulnerable

:54:18.:54:23.

now? Nobody takes this seat for granted and I certainly don't. But

:54:24.:54:27.

for the Labour Party and those seas we have just mentioned, Sherwood,

:54:28.:54:32.

Amber Valley, all of those seats across the Keys Midlands, the Labour

:54:33.:54:37.

Party is working very hard. `` those seats we have mentioned. We will put

:54:38.:54:42.

for the alternatives and hold the Government to account on thd cost of

:54:43.:54:46.

living crisis and the fact that people aren't feeling the bdnefits

:54:47.:54:49.

of the limited growth now t`king place. And, as I said, we whll also

:54:50.:54:53.

expose UKIP for what they are in terms of their policy and what they

:54:54.:55:00.

will do. And we will expose you Just tell me, what seats can you win

:55:01.:55:06.

here in the East Midlands? We talked about marginals. Which ones are you

:55:07.:55:10.

going for? We are developing a targeted strategy for once we

:55:11.:55:12.

consider marginals and UKIP potential, but I am certainly not

:55:13.:55:18.

going to make wild guesses on air. You were rather speaking to Robert

:55:19.:55:23.

as if UKIP only takes Conservative votes. We don't. We take votes

:55:24.:55:28.

across the board. Former Lib Dems, former Labour... You will t`ke them

:55:29.:55:34.

from wherever! We also take votes from those who haven't voted for 20

:55:35.:55:39.

years and they see something they now liked. Your leader described you

:55:40.:55:45.

towards the later end of yotr years. As age got something to do with it?

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I don't want to be a just! H was the only one with Parliamentary

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experience and the one with by far the most business experiencd, which

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is a good thing. Will new stand again? We will be looking after the

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dust had settled and putting forward appropriate candidates for the

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seats, so it would not be stitable for me to make that statement.

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Besides, we have adopted a local constituency... But would you like

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to stand again? I'm looking forward to moving back to Brussels tomorrow

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and I'm looking forward to representing the people of Newark in

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Brussels if not in Westminster. Robert, you have a real taste of

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what being in the limelight is like with the spotlight on you. Ht all

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got rather personal as well, saying your background was privileged. How

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did that all feel? It is politics, isn't it? It shouldn't be btt it is.

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We fought an unrelenting and positive campaign and unlikd the

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other parties, we were focused on the local issues, so if you look at

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the leaflets people are now chucking in their dustbins after the

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by`election, while others wdre talking about their national issues,

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we were talking about hospitals the railways... We talked about local

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issues constantly! You had `lready given `` UKIP our `` had already

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given up on Newark is Mac you going to stand up?! We felt that there

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were great things for the country which were great things for Newark

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as well. Listen to the political man speaking! You haven't actually said

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whether you are going to st`nd or not. I've replied to that qtestion

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already and I refer you to ly previous answer! I guess ond of the

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biggest concerns is the turnout and only 52% turned out to vote, and in

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a hotly contested seat wherd everything was thrown against. This

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is what you are up against, isn t it? Everybody would agree that

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clearly when it comes to trtst in politics, there is a job for all of

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us to do and we can all agrde on that. This is about trying to, once

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again, say to people we havd listened and we understand what you

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are saying and then act upon it But as one of the things UKIP are

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saying. As I say, not enough... When people listen to what UKIP stand

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for, I think then they will come to a different conclusion. I'm sorry.

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We will have to go into our 62nd round `` 60`second round up.

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The Charnwood MP Stephen Durrell is stepping down from his role as

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chairman of the Health Select Committee. He says he will have more

:58:48.:58:51.

freedom to debate health policy and laughed at claims that he is

:58:52.:58:55.

preparing for a post Newark by`election reshuffle. The

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Government's help to buy scheme has been raised as a concern by the

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North Leicestershire MP. Though he says many have been able to buy

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under the scheme. John Mann has been an usually quiet, for good reason.

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He is up a mountain! The experienced climber is scaling the 19,000 foot

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mountain in Ecuador to raisd money for the British Legion. As tradition

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now demands, Dennis Skinner interrupted the pomp and

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circumstance of the opening of Parliament with a well timed quip.

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count, I went to Newark bushness club and then went to open ` pub!

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Monday we are opening a prilary school. So it will be a busx time.

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Wednesday, looking forward to going to the House of Commons. I'l going

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back to Brussels, looking forward to meeting the other newly elected UKIP

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MEPs. And a lot of work to be done for Labour. I think that's where we

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have to leave it. Thank you for my guests. That is it for the Sunday

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Politics in London. Back to Andrew. about some of the strategies to

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influence. These strategies are known as gradualism. The idea, like

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the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt is to join the institutions of society

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and influence from within -- from within. It is a gradual approach to

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Islamicisation society. We have seen that happening in other areas, such

:02:18.:02:23.

as the decision by the Law Society to call it shy and issue it out as

:02:24.:02:28.

guidance for solicitors. They are saying this means that women inherit

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half of what men saying this means that women inherit

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and adopted children do not get any inheritance. Apostates do not get

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any inheritance. These are guidelines being issued by the Law

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Society by Islamic. It is a medieval take on Islam. That is what is

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meant. We see the same names popping up again and again in different

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situations in Birmingham. Is it a planned infiltration? In my

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profession of you and planned infiltration? In my

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profession of you having spent 3 years on the leadership of an

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Islamist organisation, having been involved

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Islamist organisation, having been and setting up schools, I am very

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Islamist organisation, having been certain is a deliberate plan to

:03:22.:03:21.

influence the students of this country with a medieval

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interpretation of my own faith to bring about a medieval, conservative

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view, and enforce things like segregation on boys and girls within

:03:30.:03:34.

our public institutions. With these things be acceptable if they were

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explicitly they schools? If they were state. We had state Anglican

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faith schools. We have state Catholic faith schools as well.

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Would it be acceptable if these were state Islamic schools? That is a

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policy question. I am not generally in favour. I would believe in this

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establishment. I am not a fan of faith schools. I do think the

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solution is to ban them. I do think these schools should start working

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out with an engaging with the wider communities and not being insular

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and looking inwards. It is very important. The Ofsted report is

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coming out tomorrow. We have already had a taste about what it is saying

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about some of the schools. Is it a serious problem? It is a very

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serious problem. It comes from the segregation of children into

:04:35.:04:40.

intensely populated areas where everyone is Muslim virtually. You

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have to have a system of spreading children between schools. It very

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often happens, even with a secular school like this. Nearby Catholic or

:04:50.:04:53.

Church of England schools become like-for-like schools and that

:04:54.:04:56.

leaves the rest of the state schools to become all of one faith. I think

:04:57.:05:01.

all of the parties are being quite hypocritical about the profound

:05:02.:05:05.

problem of continuing to have faith schools. You have Orthodox Jewish

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schools with extraordinary dogma being taught. Indeed very strict

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Catholic schools with amazing dogma being taught. To somehow only get

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worried when it is Islamic, when it is Muslim schools, becomes a

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problem. You have to look at the whole issue and said the state

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should simply withdraw from the business of faith education. Like

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France? Yes, a secular school. The overall government policy is to take

:05:41.:05:46.

power away. The dilemma with that is that it comes with dangers. Some

:05:47.:05:51.

schools will be incompetent and some schools will be more than

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incompetent, they will be maligned in some respects. The one bit of

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this policy which has never been entirely squared is how do you

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devolve and retain a basic minimum of educational standards and

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behavioural standards while doing it? There is an even deeper quandary

:06:08.:06:13.

for Britain. We have prided ourselves on allowing radical views

:06:14.:06:16.

that stop short of violence. We took on Karl Marx and the rest of Europe

:06:17.:06:21.

would not have him. The rest of Europe could not believe how

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tolerably well of radical preachers in the 1990s. Do we stick with that

:06:25.:06:28.

view? The risks were greater than they were 100 years ago. We do

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expect, whatever peoples faith, that our children, at the expense of the

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taxpayer, are educated, not instructed, not indoctrinated,

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educated. We do expect that and also that boys and girls are treated

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equally. One of the things the board in Birmingham will be looking at

:06:50.:06:53.

which has Andrew Mitchell on it the former development Secretary,

:06:54.:06:57.

because he is a Birmingham MP full Sutton, they are really concerned

:06:58.:07:01.

about whether the girls are being treated as second-class citizens.

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There has been a lot of work done on empowerment of girls. Shirley

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Williams made the point that what Michael Gove has done by creating

:07:12.:07:15.

free schools and academies is undermined the work of local

:07:16.:07:18.

education authorities. They think they are traditional bodies which

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are not open to reform. One school in Birmingham which is accused of

:07:26.:07:31.

being in trouble is a local education school. They cannot have

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the other side. Under Michael Gove, they are answerable to the Secretary

:07:38.:07:42.

of State. It is down to Ofsted. Ofsted is giving the schools, not

:07:43.:07:47.

that long ago, outstanding marks. There are big questions about the

:07:48.:07:50.

oversight of schools. Tristan Hunt was trying to answer that point By

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tapping it cannot all have gone pear shaped in two years. How do you

:07:56.:08:02.

think that will play out? -- it cannot have gone pear shaped. The

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story was broken in February. It will keep playing out. The report

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that was due out Ofsted is tomorrow or Monday. Then there is the other

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report that will look into wider questions, that will come out in

:08:18.:08:21.

July, I think. We are expecting two points. -- reports. We have to look

:08:22.:08:31.

at questions of Ofsted and other institutions in our society, even

:08:32.:08:36.

government departments, where idea of taxing non-violent extremism

:08:37.:08:44.

became a too boot in this country. -- a taboo. They must be rebuffed

:08:45.:08:49.

the challenge, as we would expect racism to be challenged. In the

:08:50.:08:55.

argument between Michael Gove and Theresa May, where do you side? They

:08:56.:09:01.

should be challenged openly and robust leap by civilian society It

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was settled by the Prime Minister and is government policy. I had a

:09:06.:09:14.

hand in advising or consulting. I think Fiona Cunningham was forced to

:09:15.:09:22.

resign because what she did violates official government policy. It just

:09:23.:09:36.

has not been implemented yet. Will Mr Cameron succeed with Juncke?

:09:37.:09:46.

You'll agree he have to decide whether he will spirit at stopping

:09:47.:09:50.

him or accepting him as commission president and ask in return for a

:09:51.:09:54.

massive commission portfolio for Britain, something like the internal

:09:55.:09:58.

market, which they missed out on last time. It is a diplomatic

:09:59.:10:04.

decision he have to make. It is too late for that he is into deep. If he

:10:05.:10:10.

takes over the job, Cameron is left with egg on its face. From the

:10:11.:10:19.

beginning, he did not have his voice with the weight of the British

:10:20.:10:21.

Conservative Party, with ankle and Arkle, the rest of them. He is

:10:22.:10:28.

reaping -- Angela Merkel, the rest of them. He is reaping that reward.

:10:29.:10:36.

There is a lot of support within Europe. In Germany, there was a lot

:10:37.:10:43.

of opposition to David Cameron getting his way. I know him from

:10:44.:10:49.

Brussels. He is entertaining, you go to dinner with him and he smokes and

:10:50.:10:53.

drinks. He is entertaining but he is the most awful person you could

:10:54.:10:57.

think of having trying to sort of symbolise a new European Union. I

:10:58.:11:01.

remember I was there join the Luxembourg presidency in 2005 when

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the voters in France and the Netherlands voted no to the European

:11:05.:11:07.

constitution, what was his response to that? Let's carry on with the

:11:08.:11:13.

ratification process of this treaty that has been comprehensively

:11:14.:11:20.

rejected by voters. He did not say the final bit of that sentence. You

:11:21.:11:25.

can see why Eurosceptics want him. He has blown a raspy at all the

:11:26.:11:29.

people who have protested at the elections with the way the European

:11:30.:11:31.

Union is going. -- blown a Rasberry. This is your most popular... What

:11:32.:11:54.

has come in most recently is doing really well. This is yours. There we

:11:55.:12:07.

go. Cheers! By our people so cynical? They always go for a drink

:12:08.:12:11.

at 11am and they pull their own pipes. I see them every day. -- pts.

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Is there anything Mr Clegg can do is to mark the idea is to define

:12:22.:12:25.

clearly a liberal brand, or at least I hope it is. It is not good enough

:12:26.:12:29.

for us to say the Liberal Democrats challenge the Tories on this, on the

:12:30.:12:33.

fairer society, and challenge the Labour Party on a strong economy. We

:12:34.:12:38.

need to define what we stand for. That is what I call a liberal brand,

:12:39.:12:44.

assertive liberalism. I have been there myself and I think that is

:12:45.:12:47.

what he will be speaking about. Standing up for liberal values, to

:12:48.:12:55.

finding -- defining what they are. Disestablishment in getting younger

:12:56.:12:59.

people re-engage with politics. The overwhelming number are actually

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liberal. We only have about 20 seconds. I suggest to you it is too

:13:05.:13:09.

late. Sign up with the one principle on which he stood is Europe. -- the

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one principle on which he stood if Europe. That is why he has been

:13:16.:13:23.

doing so badly. He cannot get out of the hole he is in. If you fight

:13:24.:13:28.

three general elections to the left of Labour and on the third when you

:13:29.:13:32.

are in coalition with the Tories, you have got a problem. I will be

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