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Morning folks. Welcome to the Sunday Politics. | :00:36. | :00:39. | |
Theresa May says she wants to help people who are | :00:40. | :00:42. | |
"just about managing" - so should she reverse | :00:43. | :00:45. | |
George Osborne's cuts to benefits that are supposed to help people | :00:46. | :00:47. | |
Prominent London Imam Shakeel Begg is an extremist speaker, | :00:48. | :00:54. | |
says the High Court, after claims made on this programme. | :00:55. | :00:57. | |
So why is Mr Begg still being allowed to advise the Police? | :00:58. | :01:02. | |
Hillary Clinton fights back over the FBI's renewed investigation | :01:03. | :01:07. | |
into her use of a private email server - is this the boost | :01:08. | :01:10. | |
Cleaner air for our cities. chances of winning the White House? | :01:11. | :01:17. | |
Plans to crack down on polltting vehicles and bring in | :01:18. | :01:20. | |
Now it is just a question of building that runway with the | :01:21. | :01:25. | |
political problems that lie ahead. And haunting the studio | :01:26. | :01:32. | |
on this Halloween weekend, the most terrifying political | :01:33. | :01:34. | |
panel in the business - Tim 'Ghost' Shipman, | :01:35. | :01:36. | |
'Eerie' Isabel Oakeshott and First this morning, two | :01:37. | :01:39. | |
new models of car to be built, securing 7,000 jobs at the car plant | :01:40. | :01:48. | |
in Sunderland and a further 28, 00 The news from Nissan on Thursday | :01:49. | :01:51. | |
was seized on by Leave campaigners as evidence that the British | :01:52. | :01:58. | |
economy is in rude health This morning, the Business | :01:59. | :02:00. | |
Secretary, Greg Clark, was asked what assurances were given | :02:01. | :02:04. | |
to the Japanese firm's bosses Well, it's in no-one's the interest | :02:05. | :02:07. | |
for there to be tariff barriers to the continent | :02:08. | :02:14. | |
and vice versa. So, what I said is that our | :02:15. | :02:19. | |
objective would be to ensure that we have continued access to the markets | :02:20. | :02:22. | |
in Europe and vice versa, without tariffs and without | :02:23. | :02:28. | |
bureaucratic impediments. That is how we will approach | :02:29. | :02:32. | |
those negotiations. We're joined now from Newcastle | :02:33. | :02:35. | |
by the Shadow Business Welcome to the programme. Labour has | :02:36. | :02:49. | |
been a bit sceptical about this Nissan decision. Can we begin by | :02:50. | :02:53. | |
making it clear just what a great achievement this is, above all for | :02:54. | :02:58. | |
the workers of Sunderland who have some of the highest productivity in | :02:59. | :03:03. | |
the world, have never been on strike for 30 years, and produce cars of | :03:04. | :03:08. | |
incredible quality. This is their victory, isn't it? Andrew, you are | :03:09. | :03:14. | |
absolutely right. The Nissan plant in Sunderland is among the most | :03:15. | :03:16. | |
productive in the world. The workers of Nissan are amongst the most | :03:17. | :03:21. | |
productive as well. And it's really a victory for them and for the trade | :03:22. | :03:28. | |
unions and the business organisations, and everybody who | :03:29. | :03:30. | |
campaigned to make sure that the government couldn't ignore their | :03:31. | :03:36. | |
future. It's our future. I'm the MP for Newcastle. It makes a huge | :03:37. | :03:41. | |
difference to the region. We are a region that still likes to make | :03:42. | :03:45. | |
things that work. It is a huge part of our advanced manufacturing | :03:46. | :03:50. | |
sector. So it's really something we welcome as well as the job security. | :03:51. | :03:55. | |
I'm glad we have got that on the record from the Labour shadow | :03:56. | :04:00. | |
business secretary. But your Shadow Chancellor, John McDonnell, claims | :04:01. | :04:03. | |
the government is ignoring manufacturers and cares only about a | :04:04. | :04:09. | |
small banking elite. In what way is safeguarding 30,000 industrial jobs | :04:10. | :04:12. | |
in the North safeguarding a financial elite? As I said, we're | :04:13. | :04:17. | |
really pleased that the campaigning by trade unions and the workforce, | :04:18. | :04:21. | |
and business organisations, meant the government felt they couldn t | :04:22. | :04:25. | |
ignore Nissan workers. Let's also be clear that we want that kind of job | :04:26. | :04:29. | |
security for all of those working in manufacturing and in other sectors | :04:30. | :04:34. | |
as well. And sweetheart deals for one company, no matter how important | :04:35. | :04:39. | |
they are, that does not an industrial strategy make. Why'd you | :04:40. | :04:44. | |
say it is a sweetheart deal? Greg Clark told the BBC this morning that | :04:45. | :04:50. | |
what was assured to Nissan is an assurance he gives to the whole | :04:51. | :04:54. | |
industrial sector? I was really pleased to see Greg Clark felt he | :04:55. | :05:00. | |
had to say something, even though it's sad that we having our | :05:01. | :05:05. | |
industrial strategy, you like, or our approach to Brexit delivered | :05:06. | :05:08. | |
piecemeal to the media rather than to the British people and Nissan, | :05:09. | :05:13. | |
actually. But he want published the letter. He said he has told us what | :05:14. | :05:17. | |
is in the letter and that reassurances given on training, on | :05:18. | :05:21. | |
science and on supporting the supply chain for the automated sector. You | :05:22. | :05:26. | |
must be in favour all -- of all of that? We are in favour of an | :05:27. | :05:31. | |
industrial strategy. Greg Clark unlike Sajid Javid, cannot say | :05:32. | :05:40. | |
industrial strategy. I'm still puzzling to find out what it is you | :05:41. | :05:46. | |
disagree with. Let me put the question. You said the assurances he | :05:47. | :05:49. | |
has given to Nissan are available to the car manufacturing sector in | :05:50. | :05:54. | |
general and indeed to industry in general. What is your problem with | :05:55. | :06:00. | |
that? Two things. Let him publish the letter so we can see that, let | :06:01. | :06:04. | |
him have the transparency he's pretending to offer. But also, we | :06:05. | :06:10. | |
need an industrial strategy that values -- that is values based and | :06:11. | :06:17. | |
joined. He talked about electric cars and supporting green cars. That | :06:18. | :06:24. | |
was in regard to Nissan. At the same time the government has slashed | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
support for other areas of green technology. So what is it? That is | :06:29. | :06:32. | |
not to do with the Nissan deal. Labour implied at some stage there | :06:33. | :06:38. | |
was some financial inducement, some secret bribes, that doesn't seem to | :06:39. | :06:42. | |
be the case. You are not claiming that any more -- any more. Then you | :06:43. | :06:47. | |
claimed it was a sweetheart deal for one company. That turns out not to | :06:48. | :06:52. | |
be the case. What criticism are you left with on this Nissan deal? I | :06:53. | :06:58. | |
would be really surprised if all that Nissan got was the reassurances | :06:59. | :07:05. | |
that Greg Clark is shared with us. He didn't answer the question of | :07:06. | :07:10. | |
what happens if we can't get continued tariff free access to the | :07:11. | :07:13. | |
single market, if we are not within the single market or the Customs | :07:14. | :07:18. | |
Union. Do you really think a negotiator like Nissan, who are very | :07:19. | :07:23. | |
good at negotiating, they would have excepted making this significant | :07:24. | :07:25. | |
investment without some further reassurances? Do you think there is | :07:26. | :07:31. | |
some kind of financial bride and if so what is the evidence? I would | :07:32. | :07:36. | |
like to see the letter published and I would also like to understand what | :07:37. | :07:42. | |
would happen... There are 27 countries which need to agree with | :07:43. | :07:46. | |
the deal we have from Brexit. What will Nissan, how will Nissan remain | :07:47. | :07:50. | |
competitive? How will the automotive industry remain competitive? Greg | :07:51. | :07:56. | |
Clark says he reassured them on that. But how will that be so if we | :07:57. | :08:00. | |
do not get access? We haven't heard anything about that. He talks about | :08:01. | :08:09. | |
reassurances given to Nissan. We need to make -- to know where we're | :08:10. | :08:13. | |
going to make sure Brexit is in the interest of all workers, not only | :08:14. | :08:16. | |
those who work for a Nissan and not only those who can get the attention | :08:17. | :08:24. | |
of Greg Clark. He assured Nissan that Britain would remain a | :08:25. | :08:26. | |
competitive place to do business. That was the main assurance he gave | :08:27. | :08:31. | |
them. He would help with skills and infrastructure and all the rest | :08:32. | :08:36. | |
Since you are -- intend to repeal the trade union laws that have made | :08:37. | :08:40. | |
strikes in Britain largely a thing of the past, and you plan to raise | :08:41. | :08:43. | |
corporation tax, you couldn't give Nissan the same assurance, could | :08:44. | :08:48. | |
you? We could absolutely give Nissan the assurance that we will be, our | :08:49. | :08:53. | |
vision of the future of the UK, is based on having a strong | :08:54. | :08:57. | |
manufacturing sector. Repealing trade union laws? As we have seen at | :08:58. | :09:08. | |
Nissan, the industrial sector is dependent on having highly trained, | :09:09. | :09:16. | |
well skilled workers. -- highly skilled, well-trained. You don't | :09:17. | :09:20. | |
have that by getting -- having an aggressive policy and trade union | :09:21. | :09:24. | |
laws or by slashing corporation tax and not supporting manufacturing | :09:25. | :09:28. | |
investment. Remember, the last government took away the | :09:29. | :09:31. | |
Manufacturing allowances which supported Manufacturing and slashed | :09:32. | :09:36. | |
corporation tax. That is their solution. It is a low tax, low skill | :09:37. | :09:40. | |
economy they want. Thank you. Sorry I had to rush you. | :09:41. | :09:45. | |
I'm grateful for you joining us I'm still struggling to see what is | :09:46. | :09:55. | |
left of Labour's criticism? Yeah, except for this. This was a valid | :09:56. | :09:59. | |
point she just made. What we know for sure is that Greg Clark could | :10:00. | :10:03. | |
say to Nissan, my aim is to get tariff free deal. There is no way he | :10:04. | :10:09. | |
could guarantee that. None of us know that. I don't think that was | :10:10. | :10:13. | |
enough. I think clearly there was a more detailed package involving | :10:14. | :10:20. | |
training and other things. He has acknowledged this, albeit we do not | :10:21. | :10:24. | |
know the precise mechanism. What I think is interesting about this is | :10:25. | :10:28. | |
if you reverse what happened this week, at a time when the government | :10:29. | :10:31. | |
says Britain is open for business and it is going to have an | :10:32. | :10:36. | |
industrial strategy, so far it is a bit vaguely defined. Nissan hadn't | :10:37. | :10:40. | |
made this commitment. Imagine what would have happened? It is an | :10:41. | :10:43. | |
impossible scenario. The government seems to me was obliged to make sure | :10:44. | :10:50. | |
this didn't happen. Let's not forget Nissan has invested hundreds of | :10:51. | :10:53. | |
millions in the north-east. It has been a huge success story. When I | :10:54. | :10:58. | |
spoke to workers from Nissan, they were so proud because they went to | :10:59. | :11:02. | |
Japan to teach the Japanese had to be more productive. The idea that | :11:03. | :11:06. | |
Nissan was just going to walk away from this given its track record, | :11:07. | :11:10. | |
its importance, wasn't really credible. The government had some | :11:11. | :11:16. | |
bargaining chips. Absolutely, of course they weren't going to walk | :11:17. | :11:20. | |
away. The majority of people in the area in which Nissan is braced - | :11:21. | :11:24. | |
based, voted for Brexit. Nissan knows it is in a powerful position | :11:25. | :11:29. | |
because it is an emotive sector Clearly the government didn't want | :11:30. | :11:32. | |
to have some big showdown. I honestly don't think this is a | :11:33. | :11:38. | |
smoking gun. The Labour Shadow minister really struggled to | :11:39. | :11:41. | |
articulate what exactly she thinks the government is hiding. I think | :11:42. | :11:44. | |
the reassurances were given were pretty anodyne, really. They were | :11:45. | :11:49. | |
anodyne and general. And what Greg Clark was setting out was an | :11:50. | :11:52. | |
objective and he made the right noises, and Nissan exercised its | :11:53. | :11:56. | |
right to sabre rattle. It does have a history of doing that. The one | :11:57. | :12:03. | |
thing that would now be clear given Greg Clark's performance this | :12:04. | :12:06. | |
morning on the BBC, is that if we were to discover some kind of | :12:07. | :12:09. | |
financial incentive directly linked to this investment, not more for | :12:10. | :12:14. | |
skills or infrastructure, that is fine, but some direct financial | :12:15. | :12:19. | |
investment, compensation for tariffs, which would be illegal | :12:20. | :12:21. | |
under World Trade Organisation rules, what you might call a | :12:22. | :12:27. | |
financial bride, the sect -- the business Secretary's position would | :12:28. | :12:31. | |
be untenable? He would be in a very difficult position indeed. Just | :12:32. | :12:34. | |
released the letter. There is nothing to hide. Put it out there. | :12:35. | :12:38. | |
The most revealing thing is that people are getting wildly excited | :12:39. | :12:44. | |
about the fact Greg Clark announced Britain's negotiating position would | :12:45. | :12:47. | |
be that we would like tariff free trade with Europe. This is regarded | :12:48. | :12:51. | |
as an insight into what this comment is doing and it says a great deal | :12:52. | :12:54. | |
about how little we have been told in Parliament and the media about | :12:55. | :13:00. | |
what they are up. Do you think it is exciting we are going for tariff | :13:01. | :13:04. | |
free trade? We're easily excited these days. We don't know. This is | :13:05. | :13:11. | |
where these things are at such a tentative phase. We don't know how | :13:12. | :13:15. | |
the rest of the European Union is going to respond to Britain's | :13:16. | :13:21. | |
negotiating hand. We know Britain once the best of everything, please. | :13:22. | :13:26. | |
It is a starting point. But that is not how it is going to end up. We | :13:27. | :13:31. | |
are getting wider than that. We have will have to see. | :13:32. | :13:33. | |
Now, Universal Credit, a single payment made to welfare | :13:34. | :13:35. | |
claimants that would roll together a plethora of benefits whilst | :13:36. | :13:38. | |
encouraging people into work by making work pay. | :13:39. | :13:40. | |
But have cuts to the flagship welfare scheme reduced work | :13:41. | :13:42. | |
incentives and hit the incomes of the least well-off? | :13:43. | :13:48. | |
Well, some of the government's own MPs think so, and, | :13:49. | :13:50. | |
as Mark Lobel reports, want the cuts reversed. | :13:51. | :13:57. | |
Theresa May says she wants a country that works | :13:58. | :14:00. | |
for everyone, that's on the side of ordinary, working people. | :14:01. | :14:04. | |
It means never writing off people who can work and consigning them | :14:05. | :14:07. | |
to a life on benefits, but giving them the chance to go out | :14:08. | :14:10. | |
and earn a living and to enjoy the dignity that comes | :14:11. | :14:13. | |
But now some in her party are worried that the low earners | :14:14. | :14:19. | |
will be hit by changes to Universal Credit benefit system | :14:20. | :14:24. | |
originally set up to encourage more people into work. | :14:25. | :14:26. | |
We also need to focus tax credits and Universal Credit | :14:27. | :14:29. | |
Concern centred on the Government's decision in the July 2015 budget | :14:30. | :14:36. | |
to find ?3 billion worth of savings from the Universal Credit bill. | :14:37. | :14:45. | |
Conservative MP Heidi Allen is working on a campaign to get MPs | :14:46. | :14:47. | |
in her party to urge the Prime Minister to think again. | :14:48. | :14:55. | |
I want her to understand for herself what the outcomes might | :14:56. | :14:58. | |
be if we press ahead with the Universal Credit, | :14:59. | :15:00. | |
Do you think Theresa May, right now, understands what you understand | :15:01. | :15:04. | |
To be fair, unless you really get into the detail, | :15:05. | :15:07. | |
and I have through my work on the Work and Pensions | :15:08. | :15:10. | |
Select Committee, I don't think anybody does. | :15:11. | :15:11. | |
Independent economic analysts at the IFS agree with Heidi Alan | :15:12. | :15:17. | |
that cuts to Universal Credit weaken incentives to work. | :15:18. | :15:22. | |
One of the key parts of the Universal Credit system | :15:23. | :15:24. | |
That is how much you can earn before your credit | :15:25. | :15:28. | |
As the Government has sought to save money, | :15:29. | :15:31. | |
both under the Coalition and now they Conservative Government, | :15:32. | :15:33. | |
both under the Coalition and now the Conservative Government, | :15:34. | :15:35. | |
that work allowance has been cut, time and time again. | :15:36. | :15:37. | |
The biggest cuts happened in the summer budget of 2015. | :15:38. | :15:40. | |
That basically reduces the amount of earnings you get to keep | :15:41. | :15:42. | |
It weakens the incentive people have to move into work. | :15:43. | :15:46. | |
What do changes to the Universal Credit system mean? | :15:47. | :15:48. | |
The Resolution Foundation think tank has crunched the numbers. | :15:49. | :15:51. | |
If you compare what would have happened before the July 2015 summer | :15:52. | :15:55. | |
budget to what will happen by 2 20, even if you take into account gains | :15:56. | :15:58. | |
in the National Living Wage and income tax cuts, | :15:59. | :16:00. | |
recipients will be hit by annual deductions. | :16:01. | :16:05. | |
Couples and parents would receive, on average, ?1000 less. | :16:06. | :16:09. | |
A dual-earning couple with two children under four, | :16:10. | :16:11. | |
with one partner working full-time on ?10.50 an hour and the other | :16:12. | :16:14. | |
working part-time on the minimum wage for around 20 | :16:15. | :16:17. | |
hours a week, they would receive ?1800 less. | :16:18. | :16:24. | |
Hit most by the changes would be a single parent | :16:25. | :16:27. | |
with a child under four, working full-time | :16:28. | :16:28. | |
I think, if I'm honest, it is unrealistic, given | :16:29. | :16:42. | |
the economic climate, to expect everything to be reversed. | :16:43. | :16:45. | |
What I would like to see is an increase in the work | :16:46. | :16:51. | |
allowances to those people who will be hardest hit. | :16:52. | :16:54. | |
That is single parents and second earners hoping to return to work, | :16:55. | :16:57. | |
because they are the people we need to absolutely make | :16:58. | :16:59. | |
The Sunday Politics understands that about 15 to 20 Conservative MPs | :17:00. | :17:04. | |
are pushing for changes ahead of the Autumn Statement. | :17:05. | :17:07. | |
A former cabinet minister told us that they believed further impact | :17:08. | :17:11. | |
analysis should be done to find out if any mitigation measures | :17:12. | :17:13. | |
Former Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith, an architect | :17:14. | :17:20. | |
of the system, now says the cuts should be reversed. | :17:21. | :17:24. | |
But his former department has told us that it has no plans to revisit | :17:25. | :17:29. | |
the work allowance changes announced in the budget last year. | :17:30. | :17:34. | |
What I would say to Heidi Allen and IDS, they got it right the first | :17:35. | :17:38. | |
time and they should stick to the vote they cast last year | :17:39. | :17:40. | |
because these reforms actually do make sense. | :17:41. | :17:42. | |
What interests me is the fact we are trying to move people | :17:43. | :17:45. | |
off welfare into work, we are raising the wages people | :17:46. | :17:47. | |
earn by massively increasing the minimum wage and this | :17:48. | :17:50. | |
People are coming off welfare and into work. | :17:51. | :17:53. | |
Campaigners are pushing for savings to come from other areas to relieve | :17:54. | :17:56. | |
The other thing we have to start looking at is the triple | :17:57. | :18:02. | |
Financially it has been a great policy, and it was absolutely right | :18:03. | :18:06. | |
that we lifted pensioners who were significantly behind, | :18:07. | :18:08. | |
for many years, in terms of income levels, but they have | :18:09. | :18:11. | |
I think it is time for us to look at that policy again, | :18:12. | :18:16. | |
because is costing us an awful lot of money. | :18:17. | :18:18. | |
With just over three weeks to wait until the Conservative leadership's | :18:19. | :18:21. | |
new economic plan is unveiled in the Autumn Statement, | :18:22. | :18:24. | |
its top team is under pressure from within its own ranks to use it | :18:25. | :18:28. | |
And I'm joined now by former Work and Pensions Secretary, | :18:29. | :18:37. | |
Welcome back to the programme. Theresa May said she is on the side | :18:38. | :18:45. | |
of the just managing, the working poor. But they are about to be hit | :18:46. | :18:50. | |
from all sides. Their modest living standards are going to be squeezed | :18:51. | :18:54. | |
as inflation overtakes pay rises, they will be further squeezed | :18:55. | :18:58. | |
because top-up benefits in work are frozen. Incentives to work are going | :18:59. | :19:01. | |
to be reduced by the cuts in universal benefits. So much for | :19:02. | :19:06. | |
being on the side of those just managing? Theresa was right to focus | :19:07. | :19:11. | |
on this group. The definition has to be the bottom half, in economic | :19:12. | :19:18. | |
terms, of the social structure. It doesn't look good for them? This is | :19:19. | :19:22. | |
the point I am making, it is an opportunity to put some of this | :19:23. | :19:26. | |
right. One of the reasons I resigned in March is because I felt the | :19:27. | :19:28. | |
direction of travel we had been going in had been to take far too | :19:29. | :19:32. | |
much money out of that group of people when there are other areas | :19:33. | :19:36. | |
which, if you need to make some of those savings, you can. The key bit | :19:37. | :19:40. | |
is that the group needs to be helped through into work and encouraged to | :19:41. | :19:43. | |
stay in work. There was a report done with the IFS, when we were | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
there, at Universal Credit. It said Universal Credit rolled out, as it | :19:48. | :19:53. | |
should have been before the cuts, people would be much more likely to | :19:54. | :19:57. | |
stay in work longer and earn more money. It is a net positive, but | :19:58. | :20:01. | |
that is now called into question. Let's unpick some of the detail but | :20:02. | :20:06. | |
first, do you accept the words of David Willets? It says on the basis | :20:07. | :20:09. | |
of the things I read out to you that the just managing face a significant | :20:10. | :20:16. | |
and painful cut in real terms if we continue on the way we are going. I | :20:17. | :20:21. | |
do, in essence. That is the reason why I resigned. I felt Heidi raised | :20:22. | :20:29. | |
that issue as well, that we got the balance wrong. It is right that | :20:30. | :20:33. | |
pensioners get to a certain point, when they are on a level par, doing | :20:34. | :20:37. | |
the right thing over five years Staying with that process has cost | :20:38. | :20:42. | |
us ?18 billion extra this year, in total. It will go on costing another | :20:43. | :20:51. | |
5 billion. Then there is the issue of tax allowances. I want to remind | :20:52. | :20:55. | |
you and viewers what David Cameron told the Conservative conference in | :20:56. | :21:02. | |
2009. If you are a single mother with two children, earning ?150 a | :21:03. | :21:07. | |
week, the withdrawal of your benefits and the additional taxes | :21:08. | :21:11. | |
that you pay me on that for every extra you earn, you keep just 4p. | :21:12. | :21:19. | |
What kind of incentive is that? 30 years ago, this party won and | :21:20. | :21:24. | |
election fighting against 98% tax rates for the Rex richest. I want us | :21:25. | :21:34. | |
today to show even more anger about 96% tax rates for the very poorest | :21:35. | :21:39. | |
in our country. Real anger, and effective rate of over 90%. | :21:40. | :21:45. | |
Universal Credit reduces that. Some will still face, as they lose | :21:46. | :21:49. | |
benefits and pay tax, a marginal rate of over 75%. That is still too | :21:50. | :21:54. | |
high? Yes, it is the collision between those going into work at the | :21:55. | :21:58. | |
moment they start paying tax. A racial Universal Credit is set at | :21:59. | :22:03. | |
65%. You can call that the base marginal tax rate. 1.2 million will | :22:04. | :22:09. | |
face 75%? That is the point about why the allowances are so important. | :22:10. | :22:13. | |
The point about the allowances which viewers might not fully understand | :22:14. | :22:16. | |
is that it was set, as part of Universal Credit, to allow you to | :22:17. | :22:20. | |
get certain people, with certain difficulties, as they cross into | :22:21. | :22:23. | |
work, to retain more benefit before it is tapered away as they go up in | :22:24. | :22:31. | |
hours. A lone parent, who might have various issues, you want her to have | :22:32. | :22:34. | |
a bigger incentive than a single person that does not have the same | :22:35. | :22:38. | |
commitments. It is structured so that somebody who has difficulty | :22:39. | :22:42. | |
going to work, they all have slightly different rates. What | :22:43. | :22:45. | |
happened is that last year a decision was taken to reduce tax | :22:46. | :22:48. | |
credits, and, on the back of that, to reduce allowances. I believe | :22:49. | :22:52. | |
given everything that happened now, we need to restore that to the point | :22:53. | :22:58. | |
where it helps those people crossing over. You say a decision was taken, | :22:59. | :23:01. | |
it was a decision by the former Chancellor George Osborne in the | :23:02. | :23:06. | |
summer budget. Other decisions were taken in successive Budgets to raise | :23:07. | :23:10. | |
the Universal Credit budget, which resulted in the disincentive being | :23:11. | :23:13. | |
higher than many people wanted. Do you accept that has been the | :23:14. | :23:19. | |
consequence of his decisions? I was in the Government, we take | :23:20. | :23:21. | |
collective responsibility. I argued this was not the right way to go, | :23:22. | :23:25. | |
but when you are in you have to stay with it if you lose that argument. | :23:26. | :23:28. | |
There was another attempt before the spending review last year to | :23:29. | :23:32. | |
increase the taper, so the marginal rate would have gone up. I managed | :23:33. | :23:37. | |
to stop that. I'm Sibley saying what we made as a decision last | :23:38. | :23:41. | |
year, given the circumstances and given that the net effect of all of | :23:42. | :23:46. | |
that, I think it is time for the Government to ask the question, if | :23:47. | :23:49. | |
we are in this to help that group of people, Universal Credit is | :23:50. | :23:54. | |
singularly the most powerful tool. One of the Argentine aid in the | :23:55. | :23:56. | |
paper published on Thursday, we are set going on doing two more races of | :23:57. | :24:02. | |
the tax threshold, taking more people out of tax. That has a | :24:03. | :24:08. | |
diminishing effect on the bottom section. Only 25p in that tax rate | :24:09. | :24:14. | |
will help any of those. Most of it goes to middle income? You and I | :24:15. | :24:19. | |
will benefit more from that. With Universal Credit, every pound you | :24:20. | :24:22. | |
put into that will go to the bottom five tenths. That is why I designed | :24:23. | :24:26. | |
it like that. He pressed the button and immediately start to changed | :24:27. | :24:31. | |
circumstances. Should the cuts in Universal Credit that Mr Osborne | :24:32. | :24:34. | |
introduced, against your argument, should they be reversed? I believe | :24:35. | :24:40. | |
so. I believe you can do it even if there is concern about spending I | :24:41. | :24:43. | |
don't believe you need to go through with the continuing raise the tax | :24:44. | :24:47. | |
threshold. Cost is dependent on inflation, but give or take. It is | :24:48. | :24:55. | |
in the Tory manifesto? Has more than doubled. What is in the manifesto, | :24:56. | :25:00. | |
and Lasse Prime Minister made this clear in conference, we want to | :25:01. | :25:06. | |
improve the life chances of people. Today's announcement on the Green | :25:07. | :25:09. | |
paper is what I wrote over the last two and a half years. Big changes | :25:10. | :25:13. | |
necessary to how we deal with sickness benefit. That can now be | :25:14. | :25:17. | |
done because of Universal Credit, because people can go back to work | :25:18. | :25:20. | |
and it tapers away their benefits. It is the most powerful tool to sort | :25:21. | :25:24. | |
our people that live in poverty Universal Credit. We need to make | :25:25. | :25:30. | |
sure it lands positively. If Mr Osborne's cuts were reversed, what | :25:31. | :25:32. | |
you and some of your backbench Tory colleagues want to do, how would | :25:33. | :25:37. | |
that improve the incentives of the working poor, as they try to get on | :25:38. | :25:43. | |
in life? They have to pay more tax, they lose some benefits. How would | :25:44. | :25:49. | |
it improve it? Would many still face a 75% rate? The key question is | :25:50. | :25:53. | |
first and foremost, as people move through income to the point where | :25:54. | :25:58. | |
they are getting taxed, that group will be enormously benefited by the | :25:59. | :26:01. | |
re-emergence of these allowances at the right level. That is what the | :26:02. | :26:07. | |
IFS have said, that is what the Resolution Foundation are saying, | :26:08. | :26:11. | |
and the Centre For Social Justice is saying. You have to get that group, | :26:12. | :26:15. | |
because they are most likely to be drifting into poverty and less | :26:16. | :26:19. | |
incomes are right. Would it help those who face a 75% margin? We | :26:20. | :26:25. | |
don't face that. Exactly right. People much poorer than us do. I | :26:26. | :26:29. | |
would love to get the marginal rate down to testify percent, and lower,. | :26:30. | :26:38. | |
-- down to 65%. It is a balance of how you spend the money. I would | :26:39. | :26:41. | |
prefer to do that rather than necessarily go ahead with threshold | :26:42. | :26:49. | |
razors. I think the coronation of the marginal reduction of 65%, | :26:50. | :26:54. | |
getting it down to 60%, plus more allowances, will allow Universal | :26:55. | :26:57. | |
Credit to get to the group that is going to be, and the report written | :26:58. | :27:01. | |
by the IFS and ourselves, it shows it is going to be the most dynamic | :27:02. | :27:05. | |
and direct ability of a Government to be able to influence the way that | :27:06. | :27:09. | |
people improve their incomes in the bottom five deciles. Would you take | :27:10. | :27:16. | |
on extra work if you knew you were going to lose 75% of it? Even 6 %? | :27:17. | :27:22. | |
This has been my argument all along. Universal Credit can help that | :27:23. | :27:27. | |
enormously. One point that goes missing, 70% of the bottom five | :27:28. | :27:32. | |
deciles will be on Universal Credit. Whatever change you make to | :27:33. | :27:34. | |
Universal Credit has a dramatic and immediate effect I am arguing, | :27:35. | :27:40. | |
genuinely, it is time to rethink this. The Prime Minister wants to | :27:41. | :27:44. | |
make this a priority. I am completely with her on this. I think | :27:45. | :27:48. | |
she made a really good start. To deliver this, we need to... You have | :27:49. | :27:53. | |
a lot of work to do to deliver it. Because it is a manifesto | :27:54. | :27:57. | |
commitment, or because they want to do it, stopping increasing the | :27:58. | :28:02. | |
personal allowances are not acceptable, what about bringing to | :28:03. | :28:05. | |
an end, by the end of the parliament, the pension triple lock | :28:06. | :28:11. | |
that pensioners enjoy to improve and put more money to the working poor? | :28:12. | :28:17. | |
What about that? Well, you are absolutely right that there is now | :28:18. | :28:21. | |
the danger, I think, of a mess balance between the generations | :28:22. | :28:24. | |
Quite rightly at the beginning, when we came in, we have a commitment as | :28:25. | :28:28. | |
a Conservative Party in a manifesto to get pensions back onto earnings. | :28:29. | :28:34. | |
It was moved to a triple lock that guaranteed a minimum. What about | :28:35. | :28:39. | |
ending up now? I understand it is a promise through the Parliament, but | :28:40. | :28:43. | |
after 2020? I am in favour of getting it back to innings and | :28:44. | :28:47. | |
allowing it to rise at reasonable levels. Moving from earnings to the | :28:48. | :28:52. | |
triple lock has cost ?18 billion this year. Here was a high, under | :28:53. | :28:56. | |
pressure, as the Government was scratching around to pay more money | :28:57. | :29:00. | |
out of working age areas, when the budget was almost out of control on | :29:01. | :29:04. | |
the pension side. I'm in favour of helping pensioners, but now they are | :29:05. | :29:07. | |
up to a reasonable level, at a steady rate, that can be afforded by | :29:08. | :29:11. | |
Government, which takes the pressure off, working age people have to pay | :29:12. | :29:16. | |
for that. In years to come, time to end the triple lock | :29:17. | :29:27. | |
and use the savings to help these people we have been talking about? | :29:28. | :29:31. | |
As part of a load of packages, yes. It would also help with the | :29:32. | :29:33. | |
intergenerational fairness argument. Thank you for being with us. | :29:34. | :29:36. | |
Now, a prominent London Imam called Shakeel Begg - | :29:37. | :29:39. | |
who is Chief Imam the Lewisham Islamic Centre - is an extremist. | :29:40. | :29:42. | |
That was the verdict of the judge in a libel action that Mr Begg took | :29:43. | :29:45. | |
against the BBC, after we described him as an Islamic extremist | :29:46. | :29:48. | |
Mr Begg had complained about a short segment in an interview in November | :29:49. | :29:52. | |
2013 with Farooq Murad, the then head of the Muslim Council | :29:53. | :29:55. | |
of Britain, an organisation which claims to represent British | :29:56. | :29:57. | |
In that interview, we described Mr Begg as an extremist speaker | :29:58. | :30:03. | |
who had hailed jihad is the greatest of deeds. | :30:04. | :30:06. | |
From his base of the Lewisham Islamic Centre, Mr Begg has been | :30:07. | :30:09. | |
involved in a number of community organisations, including | :30:10. | :30:13. | |
the Police Independent Advisory Group in Lewisham, | :30:14. | :30:15. | |
Lewisham Council's Advisory Council on Religious Education | :30:16. | :30:20. | |
and as a volunteer chaplain at Lewisham Hospital. | :30:21. | :30:23. | |
But in his judgment, Mr Justice Haddon-Cave called | :30:24. | :30:28. | |
Mr Begg a Jekyll and Hyde character - a trusted figure in his local | :30:29. | :30:32. | |
community, but when talking to predominantly Muslim audiences | :30:33. | :30:35. | |
he shed the cloak of respectability and revealed the horns of extremism. | :30:36. | :30:40. | |
The judge cited one speech made by Mr Begg at a rally | :30:41. | :30:43. | |
outside Belmarsh Prisonm- the high security prison that houses | :30:44. | :30:46. | |
terrorists - as particularly sinister. | :30:47. | :30:49. | |
The judge said the imam was expressing admiration and praise | :30:50. | :30:51. | |
Following Friday's judgment, the hospital trust have told us that | :30:52. | :30:57. | |
Mr Begg's status as a voluntary chaplain has been terminated. | :30:58. | :31:02. | |
We have been told by Lewisham Council he is no longer | :31:03. | :31:05. | |
on their Religious Education Committee. | :31:06. | :31:07. | |
The Metropolitan Police have confirmed that | :31:08. | :31:09. | |
Mr Begg remains a member of their Independent Advisory Group | :31:10. | :31:14. | |
in Lewisham, as well as the borough's faith group. | :31:15. | :31:23. | |
I am joined by Haras Rafiq, chief executive of the Quilliam | :31:24. | :31:28. | |
Foundation. Welcome to the programme. I have here in my hand a | :31:29. | :31:35. | |
statement from the trustees of the Lewisham Islamic Centre. They reject | :31:36. | :31:41. | |
the judge's ruling as fanciful and say they are unequivocal and | :31:42. | :31:43. | |
unwavering in their support of Shakeel Begg as their head imam | :31:44. | :31:50. | |
What do you make of that? To be honest, it doesn't surprise me. At | :31:51. | :31:54. | |
the end of the day he is only the imam of that mosque because he | :31:55. | :31:58. | |
belongs to the same theological fundamentalist views that the mosque | :31:59. | :32:03. | |
would portray. If they were to say he was an extremist, they would be | :32:04. | :32:08. | |
saying in fact that they have allowed extremist preaching and | :32:09. | :32:12. | |
extremist theology within their walls. I think this is a very | :32:13. | :32:17. | |
important decision and a very important judgment by the judge | :32:18. | :32:24. | |
First of all, these people like to operate in a linear, under a veneer | :32:25. | :32:28. | |
of respectability. When that veneer is taken away, there are a number of | :32:29. | :32:33. | |
things that can happen. First of all, the BBC did very well to stand | :32:34. | :32:37. | |
by their guns and say, we're not going to be intimidated by somebody | :32:38. | :32:44. | |
who is threatening to taking -- to take us to court for potential | :32:45. | :32:48. | |
libel. Many other media companies have done that in the past and | :32:49. | :32:53. | |
people have capitulated. Also, this has exposed him. Legally now, here's | :32:54. | :32:58. | |
some deal can be classified as an extremist preacher, somebody who | :32:59. | :33:02. | |
promotes religious violence. I think the mosque really needs to take a | :33:03. | :33:06. | |
step back and say, how we part of the problem that we are facing | :33:07. | :33:10. | |
within society? Or are we going to be part of the solution? It really | :33:11. | :33:19. | |
concerns me. The High Court judge says that Mr Begg's speeches were | :33:20. | :33:24. | |
consistent with an extremist Salafist is the most worldview. What | :33:25. | :33:31. | |
is Salafist is and how widespread is it in UK mosques? -- mosque. It | :33:32. | :33:41. | |
comes from the Middle East. It is from Saudi Arabia. The enemy for | :33:42. | :33:44. | |
them was the old colonial Ottoman Empire. There is the quiet Salafist | :33:45. | :33:53. | |
to get some with their lives, lives outside society. There is a | :33:54. | :33:55. | |
revolutionary who tries to convert other people to their worldview And | :33:56. | :33:59. | |
then there is the Salafist jihad ease. People like Islamic State etc. | :34:00. | :34:06. | |
We have seen of increased in recent decades because of money that has, | :34:07. | :34:09. | |
growing from the Middle East. When that is mixed with a political | :34:10. | :34:15. | |
ideology, it becomes potent. Do we have a political -- particular | :34:16. | :34:19. | |
problem in Britain with this in our mosques? Absolutely. Without the | :34:20. | :34:25. | |
theology that says hate the other, hate other Muslims, that | :34:26. | :34:28. | |
excommunicate other people, that says it is OK to fight and is good | :34:29. | :34:33. | |
to fight when you have got an enemy, we wouldn't really have a jihadi | :34:34. | :34:37. | |
problem. Really that is something we have to tackle. The number of | :34:38. | :34:45. | |
mosques and institutions supporting Salafist and Islam is has been on | :34:46. | :34:49. | |
the increase. Do we have a problem with what the judge called Jekyll | :34:50. | :34:54. | |
and Hyde characters who hide their extremism except when they are | :34:55. | :35:00. | |
speaking to specific groups? Absolutely. One of the things we | :35:01. | :35:05. | |
have focused on in the past, a number of hate preachers now in | :35:06. | :35:09. | |
prison, people like Anjem Choudary, and everybody focused on them. But | :35:10. | :35:13. | |
there is a range of people operating under that level. People who will | :35:14. | :35:17. | |
show one face to the community because they actually need that for | :35:18. | :35:22. | |
a respectability. They need that for a legitimacy. They need that to | :35:23. | :35:26. | |
operate. When they are behind closed doors and talking to their | :35:27. | :35:30. | |
constitution, that is when you will see the real face of what these | :35:31. | :35:35. | |
people believe. It is an increasing phenomenon. We are seeing it more. | :35:36. | :35:39. | |
And we're going to carry on seeing it. Not just has the Lewisham mosque | :35:40. | :35:46. | |
stuck by him, but given the clarity of the judge's ruling, are you | :35:47. | :35:50. | |
surprised that the Metropolitan police would wish to continue with | :35:51. | :35:55. | |
Mr Begg as an adviser? I'm absolutely shocked that that | :35:56. | :35:58. | |
decision. What Uzzy going to do Advise them on how to deal with | :35:59. | :36:04. | |
extremist preachers and promote religiously motivated violence? I | :36:05. | :36:06. | |
don't know what he's going to advise them on. Because we now have a judge | :36:07. | :36:12. | |
that has ruled against him and actually classified him as an | :36:13. | :36:15. | |
extremist and somebody who promotes religious violence, we actually have | :36:16. | :36:20. | |
a possibility for the CPS to actually prosecute him. There is a | :36:21. | :36:25. | |
law that has been in place since 2005 called religiously motivated | :36:26. | :36:28. | |
violence. If he has been classified as somebody who promotes this, there | :36:29. | :36:34. | |
is a potential for the CPS to prosecute. I want to called into | :36:35. | :36:38. | |
question other organisations, interfaith organisations, other | :36:39. | :36:41. | |
Muslims groups, who say they want to fight extremism, I call on them to | :36:42. | :36:48. | |
say, this guy is an extremist preacher, we should cut our ties | :36:49. | :36:57. | |
from him. This was a very high risk strategy by the BBC. The exposure | :36:58. | :37:01. | |
could have been over ?1.5 million of licence payers money. Will this make | :37:02. | :37:07. | |
it more difficult for Jekyll and Hyde characters to behave as Mr Begg | :37:08. | :37:13. | |
has behaved? Absolutely. It will do. One of the things they will now have | :37:14. | :37:17. | |
to make sure is that they are a lot more careful. Careful with what they | :37:18. | :37:24. | |
say to their own constituency. It won't solve the theological problem. | :37:25. | :37:28. | |
But it will actually stop other people from operating in this manner | :37:29. | :37:32. | |
and allow other media organisations to have the confidence to expose | :37:33. | :37:36. | |
them when they do. Haras Rafiq, thank you for joining us. | :37:37. | :37:39. | |
It's just gone 11.35, you're watching the Sunday Politics. | :37:40. | :37:41. | |
We say goodbye to viewers in Scotland, who leave us now | :37:42. | :37:44. | |
Cleaner air for our cities. the Week Ahead. | :37:45. | :37:56. | |
Plans to crack down on polltting vehicles and bring in | :37:57. | :37:59. | |
The price of freeing our cities from air pollution. | :38:00. | :38:06. | |
Is it worth paying to invest in electric? | :38:07. | :38:09. | |
And, what happens when the hairdressers who never vote went | :38:10. | :38:11. | |
Simplify it a little bit more for us, definitely. | :38:12. | :38:17. | |
Just speak as a normal person would rather than using all the f`ncy | :38:18. | :38:20. | |
I'm Marie Ashby, and our gudsts this week, two politicians whose | :38:21. | :38:27. | |
seats could disappear under boundary changes. | :38:28. | :38:29. | |
Sitting comfortably now, Pauline Latham, Conservativd | :38:30. | :38:31. | |
MP for Mid Derbyshire, and Vernon Coaker, who's | :38:32. | :38:35. | |
First, a delegation of East Midlands businesses and politicians will be | :38:36. | :38:43. | |
The idea is to make new contacts and sell the region | :38:44. | :38:48. | |
It follows the news this wedk that the East Midlands has | :38:49. | :38:52. | |
seen their second lowest growth in wages in the country. | :38:53. | :38:57. | |
So, Pauline Latham, this trhp to China is being organised | :38:58. | :38:59. | |
It sounds like they've got puite a big job on their hands | :39:00. | :39:03. | |
here if they want to improve our economy. | :39:04. | :39:05. | |
Well, obviously, we'd all lhke wages to be higher but this investment | :39:06. | :39:12. | |
going into China will be good news for the whole region. | :39:13. | :39:16. | |
In fact, Derby has a lot of trade with China. | :39:17. | :39:24. | |
I think it's worth ?4.5 billion a year into Derbyshire. | :39:25. | :39:26. | |
We need to build on that and, certainly in our area, | :39:27. | :39:33. | |
we have John from Marketing Derby and some of his team, | :39:34. | :39:36. | |
and the university are going, and the councils. | :39:37. | :39:38. | |
I think that's really good news to go and promote Derbyshird. | :39:39. | :39:40. | |
We need to promote the whold of the East Midlands. | :39:41. | :39:51. | |
To be able to bring people in to invest in this area. | :39:52. | :39:54. | |
That's really important for the whole region, | :39:55. | :39:55. | |
We need to stimulate that and making sure we are working hard | :39:56. | :39:59. | |
Vernon Coaker, we may be lagging behind in the East Midlands | :40:00. | :40:03. | |
Nationally, it's the joint biggest rise since the financial crhsis | :40:04. | :40:06. | |
I think, first of all, I think it's a really good hdea | :40:07. | :40:09. | |
and very supportive of the concept of the Midlands Engine | :40:10. | :40:12. | |
In the context in which we `re in, post-Brexit, in this world, | :40:13. | :40:16. | |
we move to wherever we are going to end up as a country, | :40:17. | :40:19. | |
it's important we fight for investment, we go out | :40:20. | :40:21. | |
It's not just going to come into the East Midlands just | :40:22. | :40:25. | |
The Chinese are looking for places to invest. | :40:26. | :40:39. | |
We have big companies, Bomb`rdier, Rolls-Royce, JCB, | :40:40. | :40:41. | |
as well as a plus of medium and small businesses. | :40:42. | :40:43. | |
The plea I'd make, I think it's important, | :40:44. | :40:45. | |
We need to see what we can do for medium and small | :40:46. | :40:49. | |
How much of a difference cotld it make to our economy? | :40:50. | :40:53. | |
It could make a huge differdnce if we can sell to China, | :40:54. | :40:56. | |
which is an enormous market, and growing, | :40:57. | :40:57. | |
and other countries as well, we need to go through the whole | :40:58. | :41:00. | |
But that's a really important market. | :41:01. | :41:03. | |
Companies like, as you say, the small and medium size, | :41:04. | :41:07. | |
like Royal Crown Derby, they can go out there | :41:08. | :41:09. | |
and sell their wares but yot have to build on these relationships | :41:10. | :41:12. | |
You can't just go in and sax, I'm going to sell this, | :41:13. | :41:15. | |
It takes a long time to build up a relationship. | :41:16. | :41:19. | |
Another thing just to say vdry quickly, we shouldn't forget | :41:20. | :41:21. | |
the huge number of students that come into higher | :41:22. | :41:23. | |
To continue that is really hmportant for our region as well. | :41:24. | :41:27. | |
Two of our cities have been told to bring in restrictions on vehicles | :41:28. | :41:30. | |
The clean air zones will be introduced in Nottingham and Derby, | :41:31. | :41:34. | |
which are in danger of failhng to meet European standards | :41:35. | :41:37. | |
As our political editor, Tony Rowe, reports, there is a big push | :41:38. | :41:41. | |
to encourage more environmentally friendly tr`vel | :41:42. | :41:43. | |
A glimpse of the future or ` wrong turn which could hit business? | :41:44. | :41:52. | |
As you can hear, there's a little bit of rolling noise, | :41:53. | :42:00. | |
a bit of wind noise, but you can't hear anything | :42:01. | :42:03. | |
Nottingham City Council is promoting electric cars, using them | :42:04. | :42:07. | |
in the council's fleet and putting in charging points across the city. | :42:08. | :42:10. | |
The main benefit for the city will be reduced emissions. | :42:11. | :42:15. | |
Nottingham has an air quality problem, along with | :42:16. | :42:17. | |
Electric cars means there are no emissions at source. | :42:18. | :42:24. | |
This is one of 13 new electric buses on the streets of | :42:25. | :42:30. | |
It gives the city the largest electric bus fleet in Europd. | :42:31. | :42:36. | |
It's quite an investment at 300 grand a bus. | :42:37. | :42:41. | |
Soon, they will be able to drive along here, | :42:42. | :42:43. | |
Britain's first electrical vehicle only lane. | :42:44. | :42:47. | |
Nottingham and Derby are among six cities the Government has ordered | :42:48. | :42:50. | |
to cut down on air pollution to comply with European | :42:51. | :42:52. | |
Low emission vehicles will have priority. | :42:53. | :43:00. | |
High emission commercial vehicles like buses, HGVs and bands, | :43:01. | :43:05. | |
vans, could be banned, or face a charge. | :43:06. | :43:08. | |
This is something that is bding driven by government, | :43:09. | :43:10. | |
We are supportive of it dond in the right way. | :43:11. | :43:15. | |
We are supportive of the idda of controlling car usage, | :43:16. | :43:18. | |
controlling certain types of high emissions vehicles. | :43:19. | :43:22. | |
More importantly, prioritishng and incentivising | :43:23. | :43:23. | |
The project in Nottingham and Derby is being backed by ?6 million | :43:24. | :43:30. | |
Critics say it is more cash for costly green policies. | :43:31. | :43:36. | |
The amount of subsidies going in to fighting climatd change, | :43:37. | :43:39. | |
we are subsidising wind farms, subsidising | :43:40. | :43:42. | |
We are now subsidising power points to connect our electric cars. | :43:43. | :43:50. | |
I have no problem with electric cars and power points if they ard | :43:51. | :43:53. | |
The point is, they're not commercially viable, otherwhse | :43:54. | :43:56. | |
the local authority wouldn't be having to subsidise them. | :43:57. | :43:59. | |
Environmentalists say the plans don't go far enough and all city | :44:00. | :44:02. | |
Campaigners claim the Government had planned to include ten other | :44:03. | :44:14. | |
city clean air zones, including Leicester, | :44:15. | :44:15. | |
but dropped the idea after objections from the Treasury. | :44:16. | :44:18. | |
It may be a glimpse of the future but it's not a vision | :44:19. | :44:21. | |
Joining us now is Kat Boettge from the Green Party | :44:22. | :44:35. | |
Will this emphasis on improving -- this emphasis on improving `ir | :44:36. | :44:39. | |
quality and Nottingham and Derby, it's got to be good news, | :44:40. | :44:42. | |
I don't think this is going far enough. | :44:43. | :44:46. | |
Bear pollution is a huge issue for all of us. | :44:47. | :44:50. | |
It's estimated over 50,000 people die a year down to air | :44:51. | :44:52. | |
The Government of course would say are quality | :44:53. | :44:55. | |
Since 2011, it's spent ?2 bhllion on greener transport. | :44:56. | :44:59. | |
2013, Leicester was ninth and Nottingham elevenths | :45:00. | :45:02. | |
for the worst cities in Europe regarding air pollution. | :45:03. | :45:05. | |
Pauline Latham, it's not good enough. | :45:06. | :45:09. | |
But we have to do it incremdntally because we can't afford | :45:10. | :45:13. | |
We have to make improvements all the time. | :45:14. | :45:17. | |
I'm very pleased that Derby is going to start tackling the poor | :45:18. | :45:20. | |
quality are in the city and obviously Nottingham as well. | :45:21. | :45:25. | |
The big criticism of this is it only for six cities. | :45:26. | :45:29. | |
Once they sort themselves ott, there will probably be another six | :45:30. | :45:34. | |
cities and another six cities on that. | :45:35. | :45:36. | |
The country does not have enough money at the moment. | :45:37. | :45:44. | |
People can make the change themselves. | :45:45. | :45:46. | |
We can't take it any further because there is an enough loney. | :45:47. | :45:50. | |
That's why the Treasury didn't expand this project and include | :45:51. | :45:52. | |
It would be great if we did but we don't. | :45:53. | :45:58. | |
We have to do it a bit at the time and to improve each city as we go | :45:59. | :46:03. | |
I don't we can afford, economically speaking, | :46:04. | :46:09. | |
We see floods and so on and so forth. | :46:10. | :46:19. | |
A lot of people have asthma and other allergic reactions. | :46:20. | :46:24. | |
We need to think long-term `nd do as much as possible because we can't | :46:25. | :46:31. | |
What should be done on this, Vernon Coaker? | :46:32. | :46:38. | |
First of all, I think it's ` really exciting step forward on thd part | :46:39. | :46:41. | |
of the city and county councils here in Nottinghamshire. | :46:42. | :46:43. | |
There are other authorities like Derby that are making | :46:44. | :46:47. | |
Of course we always want to see more and we need to accelerate that | :46:48. | :46:52. | |
process and the progress that's being made. | :46:53. | :46:53. | |
Electric buses, electric cars, eco-expressways. | :46:54. | :46:54. | |
All of those things are happening, as well as changes to indivhdual | :46:55. | :46:57. | |
They are really exciting and all of us have to say how can | :46:58. | :47:01. | |
we do this much more quicklx than we are doing at present? | :47:02. | :47:10. | |
Isn't there a worry that restricting things like HGVs | :47:11. | :47:12. | |
and vans in city centres, that could have a knock on, | :47:13. | :47:15. | |
There's all with a balance to be made between economic | :47:16. | :47:19. | |
Some of us would say of course there's a need for a balancd. | :47:20. | :47:22. | |
Doing nothing is not an option for our country | :47:23. | :47:25. | |
We need the politically move goods around. | :47:26. | :47:32. | |
We can also change a lot of the things we do locally | :47:33. | :47:36. | |
and indeed regionally and nationally, indeed | :47:37. | :47:38. | |
internationally, to ensure we make sure we don't do damage | :47:39. | :47:40. | |
You're seeing it with electric cars you're seeing it with | :47:41. | :47:44. | |
the electrification that's coming of the Midland Main line. | :47:45. | :47:49. | |
The point I make is how all of us accelerate that process. | :47:50. | :47:55. | |
It doesn't have to be just councils and government. | :47:56. | :47:59. | |
Individuals can do their bit as well. | :48:00. | :48:01. | |
Electric cars, for example, are very expensive still. | :48:02. | :48:04. | |
It's not really an option for most people. | :48:05. | :48:13. | |
And there aren't any restrictions on private cars, as such, | :48:14. | :48:15. | |
Services have been cut in Nottinghamshire. | :48:16. | :48:18. | |
We do need, as politicians were to change this. | :48:19. | :48:25. | |
There needs to be a cultural change as well. | :48:26. | :48:27. | |
People are simply using public transport. | :48:28. | :48:31. | |
Sadly, that needs to be dond by some enforcement and finances so it | :48:32. | :48:34. | |
What should we do to try to restrict them? | :48:35. | :48:40. | |
I think we should have car free zones in the inner city | :48:41. | :48:43. | |
and we should charge people who come in with cars. | :48:44. | :48:45. | |
So it becomes cheaper to use the bus. | :48:46. | :48:49. | |
Is that the way we should bd going, Vernon Coaker? | :48:50. | :48:52. | |
The council here has alreadx used the word placed parking levx, | :48:53. | :48:58. | |
which was quite controversi`l, very controversial at the thme | :48:59. | :49:03. | |
What the council here and authorities across our region | :49:04. | :49:08. | |
are trying to do, how you b`lanced economic growth and ensure people | :49:09. | :49:11. | |
can move around but at the same time recognise you have to do | :49:12. | :49:14. | |
You have to do something about climate change these | :49:15. | :49:17. | |
But it's not impossible and there is progress being made. | :49:18. | :49:23. | |
What Kat Boettge said earlidr, figures show that air pollution | :49:24. | :49:25. | |
Therese Coffey, your Environment Minister, | :49:26. | :49:36. | |
says real progress is being made but there is an awful | :49:37. | :49:39. | |
There is real progress made but we need to get on with ht. | :49:40. | :49:43. | |
I do believe that councils are beginning to tackle it. | :49:44. | :49:46. | |
If we damage business, we don't have any money | :49:47. | :49:49. | |
We have to do it so it works for everybody. | :49:50. | :49:52. | |
We have to make sure that the worst vehicles are tackled first. | :49:53. | :49:55. | |
A lot of the vehicles that are coming into cities, | :49:56. | :50:06. | |
the large HGVs, the big companies have already started to tackle it. | :50:07. | :50:08. | |
You can't damage those smaller companies too quickly. | :50:09. | :50:16. | |
You can't just do sticks, you can do carrots as well. | :50:17. | :50:19. | |
We can't afford to not do something about it. | :50:20. | :50:22. | |
For example, looking at altdrnative, green sources of energy, | :50:23. | :50:24. | |
that would give us a good, industrial kind of basis and growth. | :50:25. | :50:27. | |
We know fossil fuel, for example, solar, sorry, | :50:28. | :50:32. | |
worldwide, produces more jobs than the entire fossil fuel | :50:33. | :50:35. | |
If we were to have a proper transition to cleaner energx, | :50:36. | :50:43. | |
that would economically also stimulate our country greatly. | :50:44. | :50:44. | |
Kat Boettge, thank you very much for joining us in the studio. | :50:45. | :50:50. | |
Next, how do we bridge the growing gap between votdrs | :50:51. | :50:52. | |
It's a question that's becole more urgent since the referendum debate | :50:53. | :50:55. | |
which revealed a large part of the Electric, particularly | :50:56. | :50:59. | |
in parts of the East Midlands, is feeling alienated | :51:00. | :51:01. | |
Our political reporter has taken two hairdressers who say politicians | :51:02. | :51:11. | |
are out of touch down to Westminster to meet their MP. | :51:12. | :51:14. | |
For one day only, a politic`l rally with everyone in knots batthng | :51:15. | :51:17. | |
There were 45 events throughout the Palace of Westminster. | :51:18. | :51:24. | |
In the Speaker's words, Nottingham in Parliament | :51:25. | :51:44. | |
Day really was a first. | :51:45. | :51:45. | |
It wasn't just local dignit`ries who descended on the capital. | :51:46. | :51:47. | |
Emma, my right I have never voted before the EU referendum. | :51:48. | :51:50. | |
In an effort to close the g`p between the East Midlands | :51:51. | :51:52. | |
and Parliament, we arrange for them to meet their MP for the first time. | :51:53. | :51:56. | |
What do think we can do to change the way politics is? | :51:57. | :51:59. | |
Simplify it a little bit more for us, definitely, | :52:00. | :52:01. | |
and speak as a normal person would, rather than using all the f`ncy | :52:02. | :52:04. | |
You hear all these different opinions. | :52:05. | :52:08. | |
It's so hard to understand, to take it all in, to be honest | :52:09. | :52:11. | |
It's easier just to sit on the fence or not have an opinion at all. | :52:12. | :52:14. | |
We invent a language that locks people out of the whole thing. | :52:15. | :52:17. | |
It makes a disconnect through politicians | :52:18. | :52:19. | |
Like all hairdressers, these two spend their days | :52:20. | :52:22. | |
Politics is one topic of conversation I'd rather `void. | :52:23. | :52:33. | |
People just get angry straightaway and get on their high | :52:34. | :52:41. | |
horse and start arguing. We're a bit like, calm down | :52:42. | :52:43. | |
It's the first time we've seen new or met you. | :52:44. | :52:47. | |
If the people ask you to do things, we want you to work | :52:48. | :52:50. | |
For now, at least they feel closer to the democratic process. | :52:51. | :52:55. | |
Nottingham may have come to Parliament this week but, | :52:56. | :52:58. | |
to many back home, this place is still seems 1 million miles away. | :52:59. | :53:01. | |
Vernon Coaker, you played a big role in this Nottingham | :53:02. | :53:03. | |
in Parliament Day as we are about to see full stop what would it mean | :53:04. | :53:07. | |
What it's trying to do is to make Parliament real. | :53:08. | :53:11. | |
The process is what the problem is, as much as the language. | :53:12. | :53:14. | |
A feeling of remoteness from political decision-makhng. | :53:15. | :53:16. | |
As even the hairdressers were saying, everyone | :53:17. | :53:18. | |
They will argue about it, debate it, discuss it. | :53:19. | :53:22. | |
But it's this sense of, what difference does it makd? | :53:23. | :53:25. | |
Part of what Nottingham in Parliament day was about | :53:26. | :53:27. | |
and on the other days that other cities and regions well org`nising | :53:28. | :53:43. | |
It was about saying to people, you can get involved and it does | :53:44. | :53:49. | |
make the difference was we had students from Nottingham Trdnt | :53:50. | :53:51. | |
That's why I got a pink timd because they were a pink te`m. | :53:52. | :53:55. | |
Peter's report showed the bhg disconnect between Westminster | :53:56. | :54:02. | |
and ordinary voters, as we saw in Emma and Sarah. | :54:03. | :54:04. | |
I am trying very hard to persuade as many schools as possible to use | :54:05. | :54:09. | |
the education programme in Parliament. | :54:10. | :54:13. | |
It's beginning to pay off because many of the schools | :54:14. | :54:15. | |
I'm also hosting a series of meet your MP events | :54:16. | :54:22. | |
The recent one, I had somebody, saying, I voted for 40 odd xears. | :54:23. | :54:28. | |
I've never met an MP and I'l really pleased to have met you. | :54:29. | :54:31. | |
Today's MPs are out and abott far more than those of yesterye`r. | :54:32. | :54:42. | |
Is it the language you're speaking that's a problem? | :54:43. | :54:50. | |
That's certainly what Emma `nd Sarah told Gloria del Piero. | :54:51. | :54:53. | |
They don't feel that politicians speak their language. | :54:54. | :54:55. | |
You don't express things pl`inly enough for the ordinary person. | :54:56. | :54:57. | |
I hope I do because I don't know any long words. | :54:58. | :55:00. | |
I tried to use words people understand because I think | :55:01. | :55:02. | |
I think people do feel we are all too posh and that's not | :55:03. | :55:06. | |
So, yes, we probably have to speak in a more ordinary way. | :55:07. | :55:10. | |
I still think there are ways we can go out and about and meet pdople. | :55:11. | :55:14. | |
The more people who meet thdir MP, which I think is very important | :55:15. | :55:17. | |
the more people realise we are real people just | :55:18. | :55:19. | |
Is it a reaction to austerity, do you think? | :55:20. | :55:31. | |
I don't think it's austeritx, it's something that's | :55:32. | :55:33. | |
The trouble is, as politici`ns now, particularly female politichans | :55:34. | :55:37. | |
since the death of Jo Cox, I feel more vulnerable going out | :55:38. | :55:40. | |
and about and I am more cautious maybe then I used to be. | :55:41. | :55:44. | |
Somebody dies and then we all start to feel worried | :55:45. | :55:47. | |
I don't know about men, whether they feel that as wdll, | :55:48. | :55:51. | |
but I feel more honourable than I used to. | :55:52. | :55:55. | |
I'm sure some of your femald colleagues have spoken about that. | :55:56. | :56:04. | |
This is a problem for Labour as well. | :56:05. | :56:07. | |
We heard, didn't we, in Peter's reports, the first time | :56:08. | :56:09. | |
Sarah had ever voted was in the EU referendum. | :56:10. | :56:12. | |
Yet, there they are, in Sutton in Ashfield | :56:13. | :56:14. | |
and that is Labour heartland territory, isn't it? | :56:15. | :56:15. | |
It does go back to the point, people are interested in politics | :56:16. | :56:21. | |
if you debate immigration or debate Europe, what the problem is, | :56:22. | :56:23. | |
which is expressed in a way, politicians are removed, | :56:24. | :56:26. | |
part of an elite, I think it's a sense in which people | :56:27. | :56:31. | |
actually get into the polithcal system and make that differdnce | :56:32. | :56:36. | |
That's what I think the polhtical system as a whole | :56:37. | :56:38. | |
What people are saying is, just by voting, they're not sure how | :56:39. | :56:53. | |
It's a sense in which, how do I influence what's going on? | :56:54. | :56:57. | |
Not just at election time but all the time in between as well. | :56:58. | :57:00. | |
Both are serious side of Nottingham Parliament dax but it | :57:01. | :57:08. | |
isn't all hard work and policy discussions. | :57:09. | :57:11. | |
Here's Vernon having a game of cricket on the green. | :57:12. | :57:13. | |
Quite a good catch from Nottingham East MP, | :57:14. | :57:15. | |
And our favourite of course, Dennis Skinner putting away | :57:16. | :57:18. | |
Just for balance, he missed one as well. | :57:19. | :57:23. | |
Let's hope I get this one, Coker caught Leslie 0, | :57:24. | :57:27. | |
I think it was a first ball as well, actually. | :57:28. | :57:32. | |
Not a bad penalty for 84-year-old Dennis Skinner. | :57:33. | :57:37. | |
Somebody will sign him up if he carries on like that, I think. | :57:38. | :57:40. | |
45 events were held throughout the day. | :57:41. | :57:45. | |
What we're just talking about is making Parliament | :57:46. | :57:49. | |
It's the breadth of the people that came. | :57:50. | :57:56. | |
You had students, captains of industry. | :57:57. | :57:57. | |
You couldn't get into that event. | :57:58. | :58:20. | |
It was from industry to civhc society to citizens. | :58:21. | :58:23. | |
For all of them to come togdther and get a common sense of ptrpose | :58:24. | :58:27. | |
about how we would do more, obviously for Nottingham | :58:28. | :58:29. | |
and Nottinghamshire but our region as a whole as well. | :58:30. | :58:34. | |
Another important thing, how do we make sure we use this | :58:35. | :58:39. | |
we all reflect upon and say, this is brilliant, what | :58:40. | :58:47. | |
Should other cities be following in Nottingham's steps | :58:48. | :58:57. | |
We've had a Derby food day for a number of years. | :58:58. | :59:00. | |
It was much smaller but it worked really well we had | :59:01. | :59:04. | |
What Nottinghamshire did is a really good idea. | :59:05. | :59:07. | |
I'm sure there will be other counties and cities who will decide | :59:08. | :59:10. | |
to go down that route for top it is certainly something | :59:11. | :59:13. | |
I would like for Derby and Derbyshire to have a dax | :59:14. | :59:15. | |
To be fair to the media, the media reported it reallx well. | :59:16. | :59:20. | |
Time for a round-up of some of the other political storhes | :59:21. | :59:25. | |
MPs from all sides have paid tribute to the Grantham and Stamford MP | :59:26. | :59:34. | |
Nick Bowles, who is revealed he s being treated for cancer | :59:35. | :59:37. | |
In a tweet announcing he had a tumour in his head, he joked. | :59:38. | :59:46. | |
Critics might think it expl`ins some of his recent behaviour. | :59:47. | :59:48. | |
In Strasbourg, the East Midlands Labour MEP, Glenis Willmott, | :59:49. | :59:50. | |
criticised the British government handling of Brexit. | :59:51. | :59:52. | |
The reality is Britain's future prosperity depends on having | :59:53. | :59:54. | |
sensible negotiations with other EU countries. | :59:55. | :59:57. | |
Membership of the single market on which many jobs depend, | :59:58. | :00:07. | |
East Midlands Airport has announced it has plans for a major expansion. | :00:08. | :00:17. | |
The airport wants to double passenger numbers and tripld | :00:18. | :00:19. | |
There will be a shortage of Christmas cheer in Derby thhs year. | :00:20. | :00:27. | |
The city council has decided not to stage a big switch | :00:28. | :00:29. | |
The council says cuts means it cannot afford the event. | :00:30. | :00:38. | |
Our best wishes to Nick Bowles as he begins his treatment | :00:39. | :00:41. | |
and thanks to Pauline Lathal and Vernon Coaker for being my | :00:42. | :00:44. | |
Next week will be taking a closer look at those plans | :00:45. | :00:57. | |
Barely more than a week now until polling day, | :00:58. | :01:02. | |
and a new revelation rocks the US Presidential election campaign. | :01:03. | :01:11. | |
If it wasn't bizarre enough, it just got more bizarre. | :01:12. | :01:15. | |
The FBI have reopened their investigation into Hillary Clinton's | :01:16. | :01:17. | |
use of private email servers whilst she was Secretary | :01:18. | :01:19. | |
of State, after the discovery of further emails. | :01:20. | :01:27. | |
Though not on her laptop or even the State Department. | :01:28. | :01:32. | |
Donald Trump is saying that it's bigger than Watergate - | :01:33. | :01:34. | |
so could it swing the election in his favour? | :01:35. | :01:37. | |
We spoke to top US pollster, Frank Luntz. | :01:38. | :01:39. | |
The FBI investigation is happening so late in the election process | :01:40. | :01:42. | |
that it would be very difficult to derail a Clinton victory. | :01:43. | :01:47. | |
That said, if there is one thing that could keep Hillary Clinton | :01:48. | :01:50. | |
from the presidency, it's an FBI investigation. | :01:51. | :01:55. | |
But there's still only four states that really matter, Florida, Ohio, | :01:56. | :01:57. | |
Right now, Clinton has beyond the margin of error leads | :01:58. | :02:03. | |
This would have to have a truly significant impact for the election | :02:04. | :02:10. | |
There is a point about a week ago when I was prepared to say that | :02:11. | :02:17. | |
Clinton had a 95% chance of winning this election. | :02:18. | :02:22. | |
Based on what has happened in the last 48 hours, | :02:23. | :02:28. | |
It is still very likely, but I wouldn't bet on it. | :02:29. | :02:33. | |
I thought the 2000 election would be the best election of my lifetime, | :02:34. | :02:36. | |
And then I thought 2008 would be amazing, because we had two | :02:37. | :02:41. | |
challenger candidates and the first African-American President. | :02:42. | :02:45. | |
It is ugly, it's painful, it is as negative as anything | :02:46. | :02:54. | |
The public is angry, the country, overall, is frustrated. | :02:55. | :02:59. | |
But for entertainment value, these candidates probably should | :03:00. | :03:06. | |
have charged us money, because it's better than any movie | :03:07. | :03:10. | |
at ever seen, it's better than any TV show. | :03:11. | :03:12. | |
That was Frank Luntz. He may be right or wrong about Mrs Clinton | :03:13. | :03:24. | |
still having an 80% chance of winning. I would bet on an 80% | :03:25. | :03:33. | |
chance? Yes, absolutely. I spoke to a high-profile American pollster and | :03:34. | :03:36. | |
strategist last night and he took a rather different view to Frank | :03:37. | :03:42. | |
Luntz. He thought, and I think some other high-profile commentators | :03:43. | :03:45. | |
agree, that this is actually much more serious than some people | :03:46. | :03:50. | |
realise. There are an awful lot of undecided voters out there looking | :03:51. | :03:55. | |
for an excuse to vote Trump. They do not like what they see in either | :03:56. | :03:59. | |
candidate. But because this FBI probe is not going to conclude | :04:00. | :04:04. | |
before the election, the question, the doubt over Hillary Clinton, | :04:05. | :04:09. | |
gives them an excuse to back Trump. The thing that will play on the | :04:10. | :04:14. | |
minds of the voters is, could the 100 day honeymoon turning to the 100 | :04:15. | :04:18. | |
day divorce? Which even be impeached? It may give some people | :04:19. | :04:24. | |
an excuse not to vote for Mrs Clinton. It could provide a problem | :04:25. | :04:28. | |
in terms of energising her base The battle ground almost matters more | :04:29. | :04:35. | |
than the polls. Florida and Pennsylvania have been trending to | :04:36. | :04:42. | |
Mrs Clinton. Mr Trump needs to win both. He does not get in without | :04:43. | :04:47. | |
both. He needs both. Just coming up in the latest BBC News, the | :04:48. | :04:53. | |
Washington Post tracking poll, Mrs Clinton is now only one point ahead | :04:54. | :04:59. | |
in the national poll. One point Even given my caveat that the state | :05:00. | :05:04. | |
battles are most important. That is incredibly close? It is. Polls | :05:05. | :05:10. | |
yesterday showed Trump nationally closing of. -- up. There is a clear | :05:11. | :05:18. | |
trend and movement. This has reinforced everything that people | :05:19. | :05:21. | |
who have a problem with Hillary Clinton know about Hillary Clinton. | :05:22. | :05:25. | |
Trump is running this insurgent campaign. We have seen at here with | :05:26. | :05:30. | |
Brexit. If you are running an insurgent campaign, you want to be | :05:31. | :05:34. | |
against the ultimate establishment insider and that is what Hillary | :05:35. | :05:38. | |
Clinton is. I suggested it was bizarre. Fathoming the behaviour of | :05:39. | :05:44. | |
the FBI is interesting as well. This is a separate investigation into a | :05:45. | :05:48. | |
former congressman, Anthony Wiener, who had done all sorts of things. He | :05:49. | :05:53. | |
seemed to be sex text thing a minor. A 15-year-old girl. The FBI | :05:54. | :06:01. | |
investigate. They get his laptop to see what else he has been too. In | :06:02. | :06:08. | |
the course of that, his wife, now separated, the closest adviser to | :06:09. | :06:12. | |
Hillary Clinton, they find on the laptop e-mails involving the Clinton | :06:13. | :06:21. | |
server to her. And yet the FBI cannot, it needs now a separate | :06:22. | :06:28. | |
warrant to access these e-mails It hasn't got that yet. It has got a | :06:29. | :06:31. | |
warrant to do the congressman e-mails. On the basis of not knowing | :06:32. | :06:38. | |
the content, this has happened. Yeah. Who knows? He is a Republican, | :06:39. | :06:45. | |
this guy. Earlier this year he was being praised to the hilt by | :06:46. | :06:50. | |
Democrats. Absolutely. The timing is a nightmare for her. You described | :06:51. | :06:55. | |
the whole sequence. There is nothing definitive to doubt in this | :06:56. | :07:00. | |
sequence. All he is saying is he has discovered more e-mails in effect. | :07:01. | :07:07. | |
They are from the congressman's former wife. On Anthony Wiener's | :07:08. | :07:14. | |
laptop, which apparently she used sometimes. But what that shows is | :07:15. | :07:21. | |
that for all the scrutiny of modern politicians, they cannot escape | :07:22. | :07:26. | |
caricature. And as Tim was just saying, her weakness is perceived to | :07:27. | :07:30. | |
be secretive, elitism and complacency about that elitism. And | :07:31. | :07:35. | |
so just the announcement of a reopening of the investigation so | :07:36. | :07:41. | |
fuels that caricature, you have just revealed a poll giving her a 1% | :07:42. | :07:45. | |
lead. That must be related to what has happened. It is without a shred | :07:46. | :07:50. | |
of evidence that she has done anything wrong. You can see how | :07:51. | :07:56. | |
because people only see things encourage kids, that is deadly | :07:57. | :08:01. | |
serious. -- in caricature. An American friend of mine said we have | :08:02. | :08:05. | |
got our October surprise but we don't know what it is. The FBI must | :08:06. | :08:13. | |
surely come under massive pressure. It did its -- it did this against | :08:14. | :08:20. | |
the Justice Department. The difficulty the FBI had was that this | :08:21. | :08:23. | |
information, for what it's worth, it came to them. Were they not to have | :08:24. | :08:28. | |
said something and it worked to have come out later, they would have been | :08:29. | :08:32. | |
accused of a massive cover-up. They are dammed if they do, dammed if | :08:33. | :08:37. | |
they don't. There is still time for another surprise. And early November | :08:38. | :08:41. | |
surprise. Who knows if there might still be something that comes out on | :08:42. | :08:46. | |
Donald Trump? This is the first election where I can remember we | :08:47. | :08:50. | |
have had two October surprises already. There are is stuff about | :08:51. | :08:55. | |
tapes knocking around about Donald Trump saying racist things. The | :08:56. | :09:00. | |
Clintons have got a lot of friends. It would be a big surprise if we did | :09:01. | :09:03. | |
not see anything else in the next few days. | :09:04. | :09:06. | |
Just when you think it could not get more interesting, it has. There has | :09:07. | :09:12. | |
been plenty in the papers lately about the Ukip leadership saying | :09:13. | :09:13. | |
unpleasant things about each other. But what about Mr Farage himself? | :09:14. | :09:17. | |
What's he up to? Well, on BBC Two tonight we may | :09:18. | :09:19. | |
find out the answer. Well, I'm led to believe | :09:20. | :09:22. | |
she's very experienced. But I don't think Strictly Come | :09:23. | :09:28. | |
Dancing is for me. That is, unless, of course, | :09:29. | :09:31. | |
you fancy popping a cheeky zero No, I don't think Strictly | :09:32. | :09:37. | |
Come Dancing is for me. Well, you tell Mr Balls he has just | :09:38. | :09:41. | |
lost your programme one viewer. I might have nothing to do these | :09:42. | :09:47. | |
days but, realistically, Well, that wasn't Nigel Farage. It | :09:48. | :10:09. | |
is a BBC comedy on tonight. Nigel Farage gets his life back. A number | :10:10. | :10:14. | |
of runners and riders. Let's come straight down to it. Who would be | :10:15. | :10:20. | |
the next leader of Ukip? Probably Paul Nuttall. He is the favourite. | :10:21. | :10:25. | |
The one who has the backing, not very enthusiastic backing, is Rahim | :10:26. | :10:30. | |
Cassandra. And also Aaron Banks a big donor. The best of a rather weak | :10:31. | :10:41. | |
lot. I think Paul Nuttall should squeak through. I interviewed all | :10:42. | :10:52. | |
three of them this week. Mr Cassandra is a lively character and | :10:53. | :10:55. | |
he knows how to make a few headlines. With a bit of money | :10:56. | :10:59. | |
behind him, anything is possible. This is a guy who has been to the | :11:00. | :11:02. | |
States, who has literally studied what Trump has done. Pees on | :11:03. | :11:14. | |
secondment for the time being. The guy who is his line manager is one | :11:15. | :11:20. | |
of Donald Trump's campaign stop He is extraordinarily right-wing. I am | :11:21. | :11:23. | |
told he kept a picture of Enoch Powell by his bed. Barry Goldwater | :11:24. | :11:31. | |
is one of his heroes, for example. There are other candidates. I would | :11:32. | :11:39. | |
suggest, put out as a hypothesis, Paul Nuttall is Labour's worst | :11:40. | :11:45. | |
nightmare. They are more vulnerable in the North. Paul Nuttall is from | :11:46. | :11:50. | |
Merseyside, a working-class background, performs well on | :11:51. | :11:54. | |
television. He is a really good interviewee. He is one of the best | :11:55. | :11:58. | |
around in politics at the moment. However, I think whoever gets it has | :11:59. | :12:03. | |
a massive task. The clip of this Nigel Farage satire partly shows | :12:04. | :12:10. | |
why. His dominance was overwhelming. He, in many ways, did a brilliant | :12:11. | :12:14. | |
job at keeping the show on the road. The trouble for all new political | :12:15. | :12:19. | |
parties is keeping it going is tough. A very different party, the | :12:20. | :12:24. | |
SDP, with all those glamorous figures in it, lasted eight years, | :12:25. | :12:28. | |
something like that. I think they are in real trouble at the moment | :12:29. | :12:31. | |
because of the implosion we have been seeing in front of our eyes and | :12:32. | :12:37. | |
the ideal -- ideological splits Whoever gets it will face a tough | :12:38. | :12:47. | |
tussle. All three of the main contenders want to put Nigel Farage | :12:48. | :12:49. | |
in the House of Lords. They were falling over themselves to soak up | :12:50. | :12:54. | |
two farads. That is how you win this election. | :12:55. | :12:58. | |
Mr Aaron Banks, who is he putting his money on? He said he supports | :12:59. | :13:05. | |
Rahim. I know Mr Banks is utterly fed with the shenanigans in Ukip. He | :13:06. | :13:10. | |
thinks it is terribly disorganised, dysfunctional and doesn't want a | :13:11. | :13:14. | |
great deal to do with it for the foreseeable future. | :13:15. | :13:16. | |
It is not quite Trump the Clinton but it is interesting. That is it. | :13:17. | :13:21. | |
The Daily Politics is back tomorrow. And all of next week. Jo Coburn will | :13:22. | :13:27. | |
be your next Sunday because I am off to the United States to begin to | :13:28. | :13:31. | |
rehearse presenting the BBC's US election night coverage on the th | :13:32. | :13:38. | |
of November. It will be here on BBC One, BBC | :13:39. | :13:39. | |
world, BBC News Channel and BBC online. | :13:40. | :13:41. | |
Remember if it's Sunday, it's the Sunday Politics. | :13:42. | :14:12. | |
A stone stained with blood and beset with a curse. | :14:13. | :14:15. | |
The Moonstone is of inestimable value in India. | :14:16. | :14:19. | |
Its appointed guardians would move heaven and earth to reclaim it | :14:20. | :14:23. | |
Let us not let the past haunt all of our actions. | :14:24. | :14:31. | |
You've got to do something! It's only you that can! | :14:32. | :14:31. | |
He's a scientist, brilliant apparently. | :14:32. | :14:33. | |
But you may be bringing people over here who did things during the war. | :14:34. | :14:42. | |
I will not work for you. I will not work for the British Government | :14:43. | :14:47. | |
Let us not let the past haunt all of our actions. | :14:48. | :14:51. | |
You've got to do something! It's only you that can! | :14:52. | :14:54. | |
'We're the Raintown Superheroes Keep the streets safe.' | :14:55. | :15:03. | |
You can trust me. What the hell are you dressed as? | :15:04. | :15:08. | |
So, it seems my boyfriend saved you from a horrendous attack. | :15:09. | :15:11. | |
How can she not know? No-one knows. | :15:12. | :15:16. |