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It's Sunday morning and this is the Sunday Politics. | :00:41. | :00:46. | |
Theresa May still has plenty on her plate, | :00:47. | :00:47. | |
not least a battle over Brexit in the Lords. | :00:48. | :00:49. | |
But after Thursday's by-election win in Copeland, | :00:50. | :00:51. | |
the Prime Minister looks stronger than ever. | :00:52. | :00:53. | |
Jeremy Corbyn's Labour saw off Ukip in this week's other by-election, | :00:54. | :00:55. | |
but losing to the Tories in a heartland seat leaves the party | :00:56. | :00:58. | |
The leader of Scottish Labour joins me live. | :00:59. | :01:08. | |
You look at what's happening last night in Sweden. Sweden! | :01:09. | :01:13. | |
And in the East Midlands... mocked for talking about the impact | :01:14. | :01:20. | |
Council tax is going up but services are still being cut. | :01:21. | :01:22. | |
And the children who do not own a toothbrush - a new campaign | :01:23. | :01:26. | |
In London, will the rise in council tax in all but four local | :01:27. | :01:32. | |
authorities be enough to alleviate the crisis in social care? | :01:33. | :01:38. | |
And joining me for all of that, three journalists who I'm pleased | :01:39. | :01:41. | |
to say have so far not been banned from the White House. | :01:42. | :01:49. | |
I've tried banning them from this show repeatedly, | :01:50. | :01:53. | |
but somehow they just keep getting past BBC security - it's Sam Coates, | :01:54. | :01:56. | |
We have had two crucial by-elections, the results last | :01:57. | :02:06. | |
Thursday night. It's now Sunday morning, where do they believe | :02:07. | :02:11. | |
British politics? I think it leaves British politics looking as if it | :02:12. | :02:15. | |
may go ahead without Ukip is a strong and robust force. It is | :02:16. | :02:20. | |
difficult to see from where we are now how Ukip rebuilds into a | :02:21. | :02:25. | |
credible vote winning operation. I think it looks unprofessional, the | :02:26. | :02:30. | |
campaign they fought in Stoke was clearly winnable because the margin | :02:31. | :02:34. | |
with which Labour held onto that seat was not an impressive one but | :02:35. | :02:38. | |
they put forward arguably the wrong candidate, it was messy and it's | :02:39. | :02:42. | |
hard to see where they go from here, particularly with the money problems | :02:43. | :02:46. | |
they have and even Nigel Farage saying he's fed up of the party. If | :02:47. | :02:52. | |
Isabel is right, if Ukip is no longer a major factor, you look at | :02:53. | :02:59. | |
the state of Labour and the Lib Dems coming from a long way behind | :03:00. | :03:03. | |
despite their local government by-election successes, Tories never | :03:04. | :03:08. | |
more dominant. I think Theresa May is in a fascinating situation. She's | :03:09. | :03:12. | |
the most powerful Prime Minister of modern times for now because she | :03:13. | :03:18. | |
faces no confident, formidable opposition. Unlike Margaret Thatcher | :03:19. | :03:22. | |
who in the 1980s, although she won landslides in the end, often looked | :03:23. | :03:27. | |
like she was in trouble. She was inferred quite often in the build-up | :03:28. | :03:33. | |
to the election. David Owen, Roy Jenkins, Shirley Williams. And quite | :03:34. | :03:40. | |
often she was worried. At the moment Theresa May faces no formidable UK | :03:41. | :03:45. | |
opposition. However, she is both strong and fragile because her | :03:46. | :03:49. | |
agenda is Brexit, which I still think many have not got to grips | :03:50. | :03:53. | |
with in terms of how complex and training and difficult it will be | :03:54. | :03:59. | |
for her. Thatcher faced no equivalent to Brexit so she is both | :04:00. | :04:04. | |
strong, formidably strong because of the wider UK political context, and | :04:05. | :04:08. | |
very fragile. It is just when you think you have never been more | :04:09. | :04:12. | |
dominant you are actually at the most dangerous, what can possibly go | :04:13. | :04:18. | |
wrong? I think that the money of her MPs they haven't begun to think | :04:19. | :04:21. | |
through the practicalities of Brexit and she does have a working majority | :04:22. | :04:26. | |
of about 17 in the House of Commons so at any point she could be put | :04:27. | :04:29. | |
under pressure from really opposition these days is done by the | :04:30. | :04:33. | |
two wins inside the Conservative Party, either the 15 Europhiles or | :04:34. | :04:40. | |
the bigger group of about 60 Brexiteers who have continued to | :04:41. | :04:43. | |
operate as a united and disciplined force within the Conservative Party | :04:44. | :04:48. | |
to get their agenda on the table. Either of those wings could be | :04:49. | :04:51. | |
disappointed at any point in the next three and a half years and that | :04:52. | :04:55. | |
would put her under pressure. I wouldn't completely rule out Ukip | :04:56. | :05:01. | |
coming back. The reason Ukip lost in Stoke I think it's because at the | :05:02. | :05:05. | |
moment Theresa May is delivering pretty much everything Ukip figures | :05:06. | :05:12. | |
might want to see. We might find the phrase Brexit means Brexit quite | :05:13. | :05:15. | |
anodyne but I think she is convincing people she will press | :05:16. | :05:18. | |
ahead with their agenda and deliver the leave vote that people buy a | :05:19. | :05:24. | |
slim majority voted for. Should that change, should there be talk of | :05:25. | :05:28. | |
transition periods, shut the migration settlement not make people | :05:29. | :05:32. | |
happy, then I think Ukip risks charging back up the centre ground | :05:33. | :05:36. | |
and causing more problems in future. That could be a two year gap in | :05:37. | :05:41. | |
which Ukip would have to survive. As I said, Ukip is on our agenda for | :05:42. | :05:44. | |
today. Thursday was a big night | :05:45. | :05:45. | |
for political obsessives like us, with not one but two | :05:46. | :05:47. | |
significant by-elections, Ellie braved the wind and rain | :05:48. | :05:52. | |
to bring you this report. The clouds had gathered, | :05:53. | :06:00. | |
the winds blew at gale force. Was a change in the air, or just | :06:01. | :06:05. | |
a weather system called Doris? Voters in Stoke-on-Trent | :06:06. | :06:09. | |
were about to find out. It's here, a sports hall | :06:10. | :06:12. | |
on a Thursday night that the country's media reckon | :06:13. | :06:16. | |
is the true eye of the storm. Would Labour suffer a lightning | :06:17. | :06:22. | |
strike to its very heart, or would the Ukip threat proved | :06:23. | :06:25. | |
to be a damp squib? Everybody seems to think the result | :06:26. | :06:27. | |
in Stoke-on-Trent would be close, just as they did 150-odd miles away | :06:28. | :06:30. | |
in Copeland, where the Tories are counting on stealing another | :06:31. | :06:33. | |
Labour heartland seat. Areas of high pressure in both | :06:34. | :06:38. | |
places, and some strange sights. We knew this wasn't a normal | :06:39. | :06:46. | |
by-election, and to prove it there is the rapper, | :06:47. | :06:49. | |
Professor Green. Chart-toppers aside, | :06:50. | :06:50. | |
winner of Stoke-on-Trent hit parade was announced first, | :06:51. | :06:53. | |
where everyone was so excited the candidates didn't even make it | :06:54. | :06:56. | |
onto the stage for the result. And I do hereby declare | :06:57. | :07:00. | |
that the said Gareth Snell Nigel Farage has said that victory | :07:01. | :07:03. | |
here in Stoke-on-Trent But Ukip's newish leader | :07:04. | :07:11. | |
played down the defeat, insisting his party's | :07:12. | :07:18. | |
time would come. Are you going to stand again | :07:19. | :07:21. | |
as an MP or has this No doubt I will stand again, | :07:22. | :07:27. | |
don't worry about that. The politics of hope beat | :07:28. | :07:30. | |
the politics of fear. I think Ukip are the ones this | :07:31. | :07:39. | |
weekend who have got But a few minutes later, | :07:40. | :07:42. | |
it turned out Labour had Harrison, Trudy Lynn, | :07:43. | :07:47. | |
the Conservative Party That was more than 2,000 | :07:48. | :07:51. | |
votes ahead of Labour. What has happened here tonight | :07:52. | :08:03. | |
is a truly historic event. Labour were disappointed, | :08:04. | :08:07. | |
but determined to be optimistic At a point when we're 15 to 18 | :08:08. | :08:09. | |
points behind in the polls... The Conservatives within 2000 votes | :08:10. | :08:21. | |
I think is an incredible The morning after the night | :08:22. | :08:25. | |
before, the losing parties were licking their wounds | :08:26. | :08:29. | |
and their lips over breakfast. For years and years, | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
Ukip was Nigel Farage, That has now changed, | :08:34. | :08:36. | |
that era has gone. It's a new era, it is | :08:37. | :08:43. | |
a second age for us. So that needs to be | :08:44. | :08:46. | |
more fully embedded, it needs to be more defined, | :08:47. | :08:50. | |
you know, and that will We have to continue to improve | :08:51. | :08:53. | |
in seats where we have stood. As we have done here, | :08:54. | :09:02. | |
we've improved on our 2015 result, that's what important, | :09:03. | :09:05. | |
is that we are taking steps Can I be the first to come | :09:06. | :09:07. | |
here today to congratulate you on being elected the new MP | :09:08. | :09:12. | |
for Stoke on Trent Central. Jeremy Corbyn has just arrived | :09:13. | :09:15. | |
in Stoke to welcome his newest MP. Not sure he's going to | :09:16. | :09:18. | |
Copeland later though. Earlier in the day, the Labour | :09:19. | :09:23. | |
leader had made clear he'd considered and discounted some | :09:24. | :09:26. | |
theories about the party's Since you found out that you'd lost | :09:27. | :09:28. | |
a seat to a governing party for the first time | :09:29. | :09:35. | |
since the Falklands War, have you at any point this morning | :09:36. | :09:38. | |
looked in the mirror and asked yourself this question - | :09:39. | :09:41. | |
could the problem actually be me? In the end it was the Conservatives | :09:42. | :09:46. | |
who came out on top. No governing party has made | :09:47. | :09:53. | |
a gain at a by-election With the self-styled people's army | :09:54. | :09:56. | |
of Ukip halted in Stoke, and Labour's wash-out | :09:57. | :10:02. | |
here in Copeland... There's little chance of rain | :10:03. | :10:07. | |
on Theresa May's parade. In the wake of that loss in | :10:08. | :10:18. | |
Copeland, the Scottish Labour Party has been meeting for its spring | :10:19. | :10:21. | |
conference in the Yesterday, deputy leader Tom Watson | :10:22. | :10:23. | |
warned delegates that unless Labour took the by-election defeat | :10:24. | :10:28. | |
seriously, the party's devastation in Scotland could be repeated | :10:29. | :10:30. | |
south of the border. Well, I'm joined now | :10:31. | :10:33. | |
by the leader of Scottish Labour, Even after your party had lost | :10:34. | :10:49. | |
Copeland to the Tories and with Labour now trailing 16 points in the | :10:50. | :10:52. | |
UK polls, you claim to have every faith that Jeremy Corbyn would | :10:53. | :10:57. | |
absolutely win the general election. What evidence can you bring to | :10:58. | :11:05. | |
support that? There is no doubt the result in Copeland was disappointing | :11:06. | :11:07. | |
for the Labour Party and I think it's a collective feeling for | :11:08. | :11:11. | |
everyone within the Labour Party and I want to do what I can to turn | :11:12. | :11:14. | |
around the fortunes of our party. That's what I've committed to do | :11:15. | :11:18. | |
while I have been the Scottish Labour leader. This two years ago we | :11:19. | :11:25. | |
were down the mines so to speak in terms of losing the faith of working | :11:26. | :11:28. | |
class communities across the country, but we listened very hard | :11:29. | :11:32. | |
to the message voters are sending and responded to it. That's what I'm | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
committed to doing in Scotland and that's what Jeremy Corbyn is | :11:38. | :11:43. | |
committed to doing UK wide. The latest polls put Labour at 14% in | :11:44. | :11:48. | |
Scotland, the Tories at ten points ahead of you in Scotland, even | :11:49. | :11:54. | |
Theresa May is more popular than Jeremy Corbyn in Scotland. So I will | :11:55. | :11:59. | |
try again - why are you so sure Jeremy Corbyn could win a general | :12:00. | :12:04. | |
election? What I said when you are talking about Scotland is that I'm | :12:05. | :12:08. | |
the leader of the Scottish Labour Party and I take responsibility for | :12:09. | :12:12. | |
our policies here. Voters said very clearly after the Scottish | :12:13. | :12:15. | |
Parliament election that they didn't have a clear enough sense of what we | :12:16. | :12:18. | |
stood for so I have been advocating a very strong anti-austerity | :12:19. | :12:22. | |
platform, coming up with ideas of how we can oppose the cuts and | :12:23. | :12:27. | |
invest in our future. That is something Jeremy Corbyn also | :12:28. | :12:30. | |
supports but I've also made it clear this weekend that we are opposed to | :12:31. | :12:37. | |
a second independence referendum. I want to bring Scotland back together | :12:38. | :12:40. | |
by focusing on the future and that's why I have been speaking about the | :12:41. | :12:45. | |
federal solution for the UK. I know that Jeremy Corbyn shares that | :12:46. | :12:49. | |
ambition because he is backing the plans for a people's Constitutional | :12:50. | :12:53. | |
Convention. Yes, these are difficult times for the Scottish Labour Party | :12:54. | :13:00. | |
and UK family, but I have a plan in place to turn things around. It will | :13:01. | :13:05. | |
take time though. I'm still not sure why you are so sure the Labour party | :13:06. | :13:10. | |
can win but let me come onto your plan. You want a UK wide | :13:11. | :13:15. | |
Constitutional Convention and that lead to a new Federalist settlement. | :13:16. | :13:21. | |
Is it the policy of the Labour Shadow Cabinet in Westminster to | :13:22. | :13:28. | |
carve England into federal regions? What we support at a UK wide level | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
is the people's constitutional convention. I have been careful to | :13:33. | :13:35. | |
prescribe what I think is in the best interests of Scotland but not | :13:36. | :13:39. | |
to dictate to other parts of the UK what is good for them, that's the | :13:40. | :13:44. | |
point of the people's constitutional convention. You heard Tom Watson say | :13:45. | :13:48. | |
there has to be a UK wide conversation about power, who has it | :13:49. | :13:52. | |
and how it is exercised across England. England hasn't been part of | :13:53. | :13:56. | |
this devolution story over the last 20 years, it is something that | :13:57. | :14:01. | |
happened between Scotland and London or Wales and London. No wonder | :14:02. | :14:06. | |
people in England feel disenfranchised from that. What | :14:07. | :14:09. | |
evidence can you bring to show there is any appetite in England for an | :14:10. | :14:15. | |
English federal solution to England, to carve England into federal | :14:16. | :14:20. | |
regions? Have you spoken to John Prescott about this? He might tell | :14:21. | :14:23. | |
you some of the difficulties. There's not even a debate about that | :14:24. | :14:28. | |
here, Kezia Dugdale, it is fantasy. I speak to John Prescott regularly. | :14:29. | :14:33. | |
What there is a debate about is the idea the world is changing so fast | :14:34. | :14:37. | |
that globalisation is taking jobs away from communities in the | :14:38. | :14:40. | |
north-east, that many working class communities feel left behind, that | :14:41. | :14:45. | |
Westminster feels very far away and the politicians within it feel | :14:46. | :14:48. | |
remote in part of the establishment. People are fed up with power being | :14:49. | :14:52. | |
exercised somewhere else, that's where I think federalism comes in | :14:53. | :14:55. | |
because it's about bringing power closer to people and in many ways | :14:56. | :15:00. | |
it's forced on us because of Brexit. We know the United Kingdom is | :15:01. | :15:08. | |
leaving the European Union so we have to talk about the repatriation | :15:09. | :15:11. | |
of those powers from Brussels to Britain. I want many of those powers | :15:12. | :15:13. | |
to go to the Scottish parliament but where should they go in the English | :15:14. | :15:16. | |
context? It is not as things currently stand the policy of the | :15:17. | :15:20. | |
English Labour Party to carve England into federal regions, | :15:21. | :15:21. | |
correct? It is absolutely the policy of the | :15:22. | :15:31. | |
UK Labour Party to support the people's Constitutional convention | :15:32. | :15:35. | |
to examining these questions. I think it is really important. You're | :15:36. | :15:40. | |
promising the Scottish people a federal solution, and you have not | :15:41. | :15:43. | |
even squared your own party for a federal solution in England. That is | :15:44. | :15:49. | |
not true. The UK Labour Party is united on this. I am going to | :15:50. | :15:52. | |
Cardiff next month to meet with Carwyn Jones and various leaders. | :15:53. | :15:57. | |
United on a federal solution? You know as well as I know it is not | :15:58. | :16:01. | |
united on a federal solution. We will have a conversation about power | :16:02. | :16:06. | |
in this country. It is not united on that | :16:07. | :16:29. | |
issue? This is the direction of travel. It is what you heard | :16:30. | :16:33. | |
yesterday from Sadiq Khan, from Tom Watson, when you hear from people | :16:34. | :16:35. | |
like Nick Forbes who lead Newcastle City Council and Labour's Local | :16:36. | :16:37. | |
Government Association. There is an appetite for talking about power. | :16:38. | :16:40. | |
Talking is one thing. We need to have this conversation across the | :16:41. | :16:42. | |
whole of the United Kingdom, to have a reformed United Kingdom. It is a | :16:43. | :16:44. | |
conversation you're offering Scotland, not the policy. Let's come | :16:45. | :16:46. | |
onto the labour made of London. He was in power for your conference. He | :16:47. | :16:49. | |
wrote in the record yesterday, there is no difference between Scottish | :16:50. | :16:52. | |
nationalism and racism. Would you like this opportunity to distance | :16:53. | :16:55. | |
yourself from that absurd claim? I think that Sadiq Khan was very clear | :16:56. | :16:59. | |
yesterday that he was not accusing the SNP of racism. What he was | :17:00. | :17:04. | |
saying clearly is that nationalism by its very nature divides people | :17:05. | :17:08. | |
and communities. That is what I said in my speech yesterday. I am fed up | :17:09. | :17:13. | |
living in a divided and fractured country and society. Our politics is | :17:14. | :17:17. | |
forcing is constantly to pick sides, whether you're a no, leave a remain, | :17:18. | :17:23. | |
it brings out the worst in our politicians and politics. All the | :17:24. | :17:26. | |
consensus we find in the grey areas is lost. That is why am standing | :17:27. | :17:31. | |
under a banner that together we are stronger. We have to come up with | :17:32. | :17:46. | |
ideas and focus on the future. That is why I agree with Sadiq Khan. He | :17:47. | :17:50. | |
said quite clearly in the Daily Record yesterday, and that the last | :17:51. | :17:52. | |
minute he adapted his speech to your conference yesterday, to try and | :17:53. | :17:55. | |
reduce the impact, that there was no difference between Scottish | :17:56. | :17:57. | |
nationalism and racism. Your colleague, and Sarwar, said that | :17:58. | :18:01. | |
even after he had tried to introduce the caveats, all forms of | :18:02. | :18:05. | |
nationalism rely on creating eyes and them. Let's call it for what it | :18:06. | :18:13. | |
is. So you are implying that the Scottish Nationalists are racist. | :18:14. | :18:17. | |
Would you care to distance yourself from that absurd claim? I utterly | :18:18. | :18:21. | |
refute that that is what Sadiq Khan said. I would never suggest that the | :18:22. | :18:27. | |
SNP are an inherently racist party. That does is a disservice. He did | :18:28. | :18:32. | |
not see it. What he did say, however, is that nationalism is | :18:33. | :18:37. | |
divisive. You know that better than anyone. I see your Twitter account. | :18:38. | :18:41. | |
Regularly your attack for the job you do as a journalist. Politics in | :18:42. | :18:47. | |
Scotland is divided on. I do not want to revisit that independence | :18:48. | :18:52. | |
question again for that reason. As leader of the Labour Party, I want | :18:53. | :18:55. | |
to bring our country back together, appeal to people who voted yes and | :18:56. | :19:01. | |
no. That banner, together we are stronger, that is where the answers | :19:02. | :19:04. | |
lie in defaulters can be found. If in response to the Mayor of London, | :19:05. | :19:09. | |
your colleague says, let's call it out for what it is, what is he | :19:10. | :19:13. | |
referring to if he is not implying that national symbol is racist? -- | :19:14. | :19:22. | |
and that nationalism is racist? He is saying that it leads to divisive | :19:23. | :19:26. | |
politics. The Labour Party has always advocated that together we | :19:27. | :19:30. | |
are stronger. Saying something is divisive is very different from | :19:31. | :19:34. | |
saying something is racist. That is what the Mayor of London said. That | :19:35. | :19:38. | |
is what your colleague was referring to. He did not. You would really | :19:39. | :19:43. | |
struggle to quote that from the Mayor of London. He talked about | :19:44. | :19:49. | |
being divided by race. What does that mean? I think he was very clear | :19:50. | :19:55. | |
that he was talking about divided politics. There is an appetite the | :19:56. | :19:58. | |
length and breadth of the country to end that divisive politics. That is | :19:59. | :20:03. | |
what I stand for, focusing on the future, bringing people back | :20:04. | :20:07. | |
together, concentrating on what the economy might look like in 20 years' | :20:08. | :20:11. | |
time in coming up with ideas to tackle it today. Thank you for | :20:12. | :20:12. | |
joining us. Thursday's win for Labour | :20:13. | :20:14. | |
in Stoke-on-Trent Central gave some relief to Jeremy Corbyn, | :20:15. | :20:16. | |
but for Ukip leader and defeated Stoke candidate Paul Nuttall | :20:17. | :20:19. | |
there were no consolation prizes. I'm joined now by Mr Nuttall's | :20:20. | :20:21. | |
principal political Welcome to the programme. Good | :20:22. | :20:31. | |
morning. How long will Paul Nuttall survivors Ukip leader, days, weeks, | :20:32. | :20:35. | |
months? You are in danger of not seeing the wood for the trees. Ukip | :20:36. | :20:41. | |
was formed in 1993 with the express purpose, much mocked, of getting | :20:42. | :20:46. | |
Britain out of the European Union. Under the brilliant leadership of | :20:47. | :20:49. | |
Nigel Farage, we were crucial in forcing a vacuous Prime Minister to | :20:50. | :20:53. | |
make a referendum promise he did not want to give. With our friends in | :20:54. | :20:59. | |
Fort leave and other organisations. Mac we know that. Get to the answer. | :21:00. | :21:05. | |
We helped to win that referendum. The iteration of Ukip at the moment | :21:06. | :21:10. | |
that we're in, the primary purpose, we are the guard dog of Brexit. | :21:11. | :21:15. | |
Viewed through that prism, the Stoke by-election was a brilliant success. | :21:16. | :21:20. | |
A brilliant success? We had the Tory candidate that had pumped out | :21:21. | :21:25. | |
publicity for Remain, for Cameron Bradley, preaching the gospel of | :21:26. | :21:29. | |
Brexit. We had a Labour candidate and we know what he really felt | :21:30. | :21:34. | |
about Brexit, preaching the Gospel according to Brexit. You lost. Well | :21:35. | :21:36. | |
the by-election was going on, we had the Labour Party in the House of | :21:37. | :21:53. | |
Commons pass the idea of trickling Article 50 by a landslide. Are | :21:54. | :21:55. | |
passionate thing, the thing that 35,000 Ukip members care about the | :21:56. | :21:57. | |
most, it is an extraordinary achievement. I am very proud. What | :21:58. | :22:00. | |
would you have described as victory as? If we could have got Paul | :22:01. | :22:02. | |
Nuttall into the House of Commons, that would have been a fantastic | :22:03. | :22:06. | |
cherry on the top. Losing was an extraordinary achievement? Many Ukip | :22:07. | :22:12. | |
supporters the Stoke was winnable, but Paul Nuttall's campaign was | :22:13. | :22:18. | |
marred by controversy, Tory voters refuse to vote tactically for Ukip | :22:19. | :22:25. | |
to beat Labour, his campaign, Mr Nuttall is to blame for not winning | :22:26. | :22:30. | |
what was a winnable seat? I do not see that at all. This is | :22:31. | :22:33. | |
counterintuitive, but Jeremy Corbyn did do one thing that made it more | :22:34. | :22:38. | |
difficult for us to win. Fantasy. That was to take Labour into a | :22:39. | :22:44. | |
Brexit position formerly. Just over 50 Labour MPs had voted against | :22:45. | :22:49. | |
triggering Article 50. In political terms, we have intimidated the | :22:50. | :22:53. | |
Labour Party into backing Brexit. How much good is it doing you? It | :22:54. | :22:55. | |
comes to the heart of the problem your party faces. | :22:56. | :23:12. | |
You're struggling to win Tory Eurosceptic voters. For the moment, | :23:13. | :23:14. | |
they seem happy with Theresa May. Stoke shows you're not winning | :23:15. | :23:16. | |
Labour Brexit voters either. If you cannot get the solution Tolisso | :23:17. | :23:18. | |
labour, where does your Broad come from? In terms of the by-election, | :23:19. | :23:21. | |
it came very early for Paul. I'm talking about the future. We have a | :23:22. | :23:24. | |
future agenda, and ideological argument with Jeremy Corbyn's Labour | :23:25. | :23:29. | |
Party, which is wedded to the notion of global citizenship and does not | :23:30. | :23:33. | |
recognise the nation state. We know he spent Christmas sitting around | :23:34. | :23:37. | |
campfires with Mexican Marxist dreaming of global government. We | :23:38. | :23:41. | |
believe in the nation state. We believe that the patriotic working | :23:42. | :23:44. | |
class vote will be receptive to that. Your Broad went down by 9% in | :23:45. | :23:50. | |
Cortland. In Copeland we were squeezed. In Stoke, we were unable | :23:51. | :23:55. | |
to squeeze the Tories, who are on a high. Our agenda is that social | :23:56. | :24:01. | |
solidarity is important but we arrange it in this country by nation | :24:02. | :24:05. | |
and community. We want an immigration system that is not only | :24:06. | :24:10. | |
reducing... We know what you want. I do not think people do. You had a | :24:11. | :24:14. | |
whole by-election to tell people and they did not vote for you and. When | :24:15. | :24:19. | |
Nigel Farage said it was fundamental that you were winner in Stoke, he | :24:20. | :24:24. | |
was wrong? Nigel chooses his own words. I would not rewrite them. It | :24:25. | :24:32. | |
would be a massive advantage to Ukip to have a leader in the House of | :24:33. | :24:35. | |
Commons in time to reply to the budget, Prime Minister's questions | :24:36. | :24:38. | |
and all of that. But we have taken the strategic view that we will | :24:39. | :24:41. | |
fight the Labour Party for the working class vote. It is also true | :24:42. | :24:46. | |
that the Conservatives will make a pitch for the working class vote | :24:47. | :24:50. | |
might as well. All three parties have certain advantages and | :24:51. | :24:54. | |
disadvantages. As part of that page, Nigel Farage said that your leader, | :24:55. | :24:59. | |
Paul Nuttall, should have taken a clear, by which I assume he meant | :25:00. | :25:04. | |
tough, line on immigration. Do you agree? He took a tough line on | :25:05. | :25:09. | |
immigration. He developed that idea at our party conference in the | :25:10. | :25:13. | |
spring. Nigel Farage did not think so? Nigel Farage made his speech | :25:14. | :25:17. | |
before Paul Nuttall made his speech. He said this in the aftermath of the | :25:18. | :25:24. | |
result. Once we have freedom to control and Borders, Paul wants to | :25:25. | :25:30. | |
set up an immigration system that includes an aptitude test, do you | :25:31. | :25:33. | |
have skills that the British economy needs, but also, and attitudes test, | :25:34. | :25:40. | |
do you subscribe to core British values such as gender equality and | :25:41. | :25:45. | |
freedom of expression? We will be making these arguments. It is | :25:46. | :25:48. | |
certainly true that Paul's campaign was thrown off course by, | :25:49. | :25:52. | |
particularly something that we knew the Labour Party had been preparing | :25:53. | :25:58. | |
to run, the smear on the untruths, the implications about Hillsborough. | :25:59. | :26:01. | |
If you knew you should have anticipated it. Alan Banks, he helps | :26:02. | :26:07. | |
to bankroll your party, he said that Mr Nuttall needs to toss out the | :26:08. | :26:12. | |
Tory cabal in Europe, by which he means Douglas Carswell, Neil | :26:13. | :26:15. | |
Hamilton. Should they be stripped of their membership? Of course not. As | :26:16. | :26:21. | |
far as I knew, Alan Banks was a member of the Conservative Party | :26:22. | :26:24. | |
formally. I do not know who this Tory cabal is supposed to be. He | :26:25. | :26:29. | |
says that your party is more like a jumble sale than a political party. | :26:30. | :26:33. | |
He says that the party should make him chairman or they will work. What | :26:34. | :26:39. | |
do you see to that? He has made that statement several times over many | :26:40. | :26:42. | |
months, including if you do not throw out your only MP. Douglas | :26:43. | :26:47. | |
Carswell has managed to win twice under Ukip colours. Should Tibi | :26:48. | :26:51. | |
chairman? I think we have an excellent young chairman at the | :26:52. | :26:58. | |
moment. He is doing a good job. The idea that Leave.EU was as smooth | :26:59. | :27:03. | |
running brilliant machine, that does not sit with the facts as I | :27:04. | :27:06. | |
understand them. Suzanne Evans says it would be no great loss for Ukip | :27:07. | :27:11. | |
if Mr Banks walked out, severed his ties and took his money elsewhere. | :27:12. | :27:16. | |
Is she right. I am always happy people who want to give money and | :27:17. | :27:19. | |
support your party want to stay in the party. The best donors donate | :27:20. | :27:24. | |
and do not seek to dictate. If they are experts in certain fields, | :27:25. | :27:28. | |
people should listen to their views but to have a daughter telling the | :27:29. | :27:32. | |
party leader who should be party chairman, that is a nonstarter. You | :27:33. | :27:37. | |
have described your existing party chairman is excellent. He said it | :27:38. | :27:42. | |
could be 20 years before Ukip wins by-election. Is he being too | :27:43. | :27:47. | |
optimistic? There is a general election coming up in the years' | :27:48. | :27:51. | |
time. We will be aiming to win seats in that. Before that, we will be the | :27:52. | :27:56. | |
guard dog for Brexit, to make sure this extraordinary achievement of a | :27:57. | :28:01. | |
little party... You are guard dog without a kennel, you cannot get | :28:02. | :28:05. | |
seat? We're keeping the big establishment parties to do the will | :28:06. | :28:10. | |
of the people. If we achieve nothing else at all, that will be a | :28:11. | :28:13. | |
magnificent achievement. Thank you very much. | :28:14. | :28:15. | |
Sweden isn't somewhere we talk about often | :28:16. | :28:16. | |
should because this week it was pulled into | :28:17. | :28:20. | |
the global spotlight, thanks | :28:21. | :28:21. | |
Last weekend, Mr Trump was mocked for referring to an incident that | :28:22. | :28:30. | |
had occurred last night in Sweden as a result of the country's open | :28:31. | :28:33. | |
Critics were quick to point out that no such incident had occurred | :28:34. | :28:37. | |
and Mr Trump later clarified on Twitter and he was talking | :28:38. | :28:39. | |
about a report he had watched on Fox News. | :28:40. | :28:43. | |
But as if to prove he was onto something, | :28:44. | :28:45. | |
next day a riot broke out in a Stockholm suburb | :28:46. | :28:48. | |
with a large migrant population, following unrest in such areas | :28:49. | :28:50. | |
So what has been Sweden's experience of migration? | :28:51. | :29:00. | |
In 2015, a record 162,000 people claimed asylum there, the second | :29:01. | :29:02. | |
That number dropped to 29,000 in 2016 after the country introduced | :29:03. | :29:09. | |
border restrictions and stopped offering permanent | :29:10. | :29:11. | |
Tensions have risen, along with claims of links to crime, | :29:12. | :29:19. | |
although official statistics do not provide evidence of a refugee driven | :29:20. | :29:22. | |
Nigel Farage defended Mr Trump, claiming this week that migrants | :29:23. | :29:30. | |
have led to a dramatic rise in sexual offences. | :29:31. | :29:33. | |
Although the country does have the highest reported | :29:34. | :29:35. | |
rate of rape in Europe, Swedish authorities say recent rises | :29:36. | :29:37. | |
were due to changes to how rape and sex crimes are recorded. | :29:38. | :29:43. | |
Aside from the issue of crime, Sweden has struggled | :29:44. | :29:45. | |
Levels of inequality between natives and migrants when it comes | :29:46. | :29:51. | |
Unemployment rates are three times higher for foreign-born workers | :29:52. | :29:54. | |
We're joined now by Laila Naraghi, she's a Swedish MP from the | :29:55. | :30:07. | |
governing Social Democratic Party, and by the author and | :30:08. | :30:09. | |
The Swedish political establishment was outraged by Mr Trump's remarks, | :30:10. | :30:25. | |
pointing to a riot that hadn't taken place, then a few nights later | :30:26. | :30:29. | |
serious riots did break out in a largely migrant suburb of Stockholm | :30:30. | :30:33. | |
so he wasn't far out, was he? I think he was far out because he is | :30:34. | :30:38. | |
misleading the public with how he uses these statistics. I think it is | :30:39. | :30:43. | |
important to remember that the violence has decreased in Sweden for | :30:44. | :30:47. | |
the past 20 years and research shows there is no evidence that indicate | :30:48. | :30:51. | |
that immigration leads to crime and so I think it is far out. The social | :30:52. | :30:59. | |
unrest in these different areas is not because of their ethical | :31:00. | :31:03. | |
backgrounds of these people living there but more about social economic | :31:04. | :31:09. | |
reasons. OK, no evidence migrants are responsible for any kind of | :31:10. | :31:14. | |
crime? This story reminds me after what happened to the Charlie Hebdo | :31:15. | :31:21. | |
attacks in Paris when also a Fox News commentator said something that | :31:22. | :31:26. | |
was outlandish about Paris and the Mayor of Paris threatened to sue Fox | :31:27. | :31:30. | |
News, saying you are making our city look bad. It's a bit like that | :31:31. | :31:35. | |
because the truth on this lies between Donald Trump on the Swedish | :31:36. | :31:40. | |
authorities on this. Sweden and Swedish government is very reluctant | :31:41. | :31:45. | |
to admit any downsides of its own migration policy and particularly | :31:46. | :31:48. | |
the migration it hard in 2015 but there are very obvious downsides | :31:49. | :31:54. | |
because Sweden is not a country that needs a non-skilled labour force | :31:55. | :32:00. | |
which doesn't speak Swedish. What was raised as the matter of | :32:01. | :32:05. | |
evidence, what is the evidence? First of all if I can say so the | :32:06. | :32:09. | |
rape statistics in Sweden that have been cited are familiar with the | :32:10. | :32:12. | |
rape statistics across other countries that have seen similar | :32:13. | :32:17. | |
forms of migration. Danish authorities and the Norwegian | :32:18. | :32:21. | |
authorities have recorded a similar thing. It is not done by ethnicity | :32:22. | :32:27. | |
so we don't know. And this is part of the problem. It is again a lot of | :32:28. | :32:32. | |
lies and rumours going about. When it is about for example rape, it is | :32:33. | :32:38. | |
difficult to compare the statistics because in Sweden for example many | :32:39. | :32:43. | |
crimes that in other countries are labelled as bodily harm or assault | :32:44. | :32:48. | |
are in Sweden labelled as rape. Also how it is counted because if a woman | :32:49. | :32:53. | |
goes to the police and reports that her husband or boyfriend has raped | :32:54. | :33:01. | |
her, and done it every night for one year, in Sweden that is counted as | :33:02. | :33:06. | |
365 offences. Something is going wrong, I look at the recent news | :33:07. | :33:11. | |
from Sweden. Six Afghan child refugees committed suicide in the | :33:12. | :33:14. | |
last six months, unemployment among recent migrants now five times | :33:15. | :33:20. | |
higher than among non-migrants. We have seen gang violence in Malmo | :33:21. | :33:26. | |
where a British child was killed by a grenade, rioting in Stockholm. | :33:27. | :33:30. | |
Police in Sweden say there are 53 areas of the country where it is now | :33:31. | :33:34. | |
dangerous to patrol. Something has gone wrong. Let me get back to what | :33:35. | :33:41. | |
I think is the core of this debate if I may and that is the right for | :33:42. | :33:46. | |
people fleeing war and political persecution to seek asylum, that is | :33:47. | :33:50. | |
a human right. In Sweden we don't think we can do everything, but we | :33:51. | :33:55. | |
want to live up to our obligation, every country has an obligation to | :33:56. | :33:59. | |
receive asylum seekers. But you have changed your policy on that because | :34:00. | :34:05. | |
having taken 163,001 year alone, you have then closed your borders, I | :34:06. | :34:08. | |
think very wisely, closed the border which means 10,000 people per day at | :34:09. | :34:14. | |
one point were walking from Denmark in to Malmo, you rightly changed | :34:15. | :34:19. | |
that so he realised whatever ones aspirations in terms of asylum, it | :34:20. | :34:22. | |
sometimes meets reality and Sweden is meeting the reality of this. | :34:23. | :34:29. | |
Let's respond to that. We are not naive, we know we cannot do | :34:30. | :34:32. | |
everything but we want to try to do our share as we think other | :34:33. | :34:36. | |
countries also need to do their share. But let me say that, if you | :34:37. | :34:40. | |
look at what the World Economic Forum is saying about our country | :34:41. | :34:44. | |
they show we are in the top of many rankings, the best country to live | :34:45. | :34:48. | |
in, to age in, to have children in, to start into -- to start | :34:49. | :34:57. | |
enterprise. Why have you not been so good at integrating migrants? The | :34:58. | :35:03. | |
unemployment rate is five times higher among migrants than | :35:04. | :35:08. | |
non-migrants and that's the highest ratio of any country in the EU and | :35:09. | :35:12. | |
the OECD, why have you not been able to integrate the people you have | :35:13. | :35:17. | |
brought in for humanitarian reasons? I'm sure there are things we can do | :35:18. | :35:22. | |
much better of course but if you look for example at the immigration | :35:23. | :35:25. | |
that came in the 90s from the Balkans, they are well integrated | :35:26. | :35:30. | |
and contributing to our society. They are starting enterprises and | :35:31. | :35:33. | |
working in different fields of society, and they help our country. | :35:34. | :35:41. | |
Why have they not got jobs, the migrants that have come in? It takes | :35:42. | :35:48. | |
time. In the 90s we managed it and I'm sure we can do it again. Can I | :35:49. | :35:53. | |
put this into some context, it is clear Sweden has got problems as a | :35:54. | :35:56. | |
result of the number of migrants that come in, whether it is as bad | :35:57. | :36:01. | |
as Mr Trump and others make out is another matter, but perhaps I can | :36:02. | :36:04. | |
put it into context. Malmo, which has been at the centre of many of | :36:05. | :36:09. | |
these migrant problems, its homicide rate is three per hundred thousand. | :36:10. | :36:16. | |
Chicago, 28 per 100,000. It may have problems but they are not huge. No, | :36:17. | :36:22. | |
they are pretty huge and I think they will grow. The Balkan refugees | :36:23. | :36:27. | |
into Sweden in the 90s did bring a lot of problems and Sweden did for | :36:28. | :36:31. | |
the first time see serious ethnic gang rivalries. There was an upsurge | :36:32. | :36:35. | |
in gang-related violence that has gone on since. The situation in | :36:36. | :36:41. | |
Malmo in particular is exaggerated by some people, there's no doubt | :36:42. | :36:45. | |
about that, I have been there many times and it is undoubtedly | :36:46. | :36:48. | |
exaggerated by some, it is also vastly unpersuaded by the Swedish | :36:49. | :36:54. | |
authorities. -- understated. In 2010, one in ten Jews in Malmo | :36:55. | :37:04. | |
registered some form of attack on them. It got so bad that in 2010 | :37:05. | :37:14. | |
people offered to escort Jews... You have had a good say and I have got | :37:15. | :37:18. | |
to be fair here, what do you say to that, Laila Naraghi? There are | :37:19. | :37:24. | |
people trying to frame our country in a certain way to push their own | :37:25. | :37:28. | |
agenda. I regret that President Trump is trying to slander our | :37:29. | :37:35. | |
country. But what about the specific point on Malmo? If you speak to | :37:36. | :37:39. | |
people in Malmo and also to different congregations, they say | :37:40. | :37:43. | |
they are working together with the authorities to improve this. I say | :37:44. | :37:47. | |
again, there are a lot of people trying to spread rumours and lies. | :37:48. | :37:52. | |
Your situation is very like the situation we had in Britain when we | :37:53. | :37:57. | |
have these situations in Rotherham and elsewhere. 1400 girls were raped | :37:58. | :38:01. | |
in Rotherham before police even admitted it was going on. That | :38:02. | :38:06. | |
happened in Britain in the last decade, a similar phenomenon. An | :38:07. | :38:10. | |
upsurge in particularly sexual and other forms of violence and then | :38:11. | :38:13. | |
total denial by an entire political class is now something that is | :38:14. | :38:18. | |
happening in Sweden. I see it in Swedish authorities and the denial | :38:19. | :38:21. | |
that comes up and the desire to laugh and dismiss Trump but he's not | :38:22. | :38:26. | |
answer nothing and that's a painful thing for any society to want to | :38:27. | :38:34. | |
admit to. There are number of Swedes who think the establishment is | :38:35. | :38:40. | |
covering up the true statistics, that you don't break crime down by | :38:41. | :38:45. | |
ethnic crimes, people are suspicious of the centre-left and centre-right | :38:46. | :38:50. | |
parties now in Sweden. There is no denial and no cover-up. This is what | :38:51. | :38:54. | |
I'm speaking about when I say people are trying to frame it in a certain | :38:55. | :38:58. | |
way. The social unrest is not because of the ethnical background | :38:59. | :39:02. | |
of the people living there but rather because of different | :39:03. | :39:06. | |
socioeconomics conditions. There is no research that shows | :39:07. | :39:12. | |
immigration... But you don't do the research into it. Swedish | :39:13. | :39:15. | |
authorities deliberately ensure you cannot carry out such research and | :39:16. | :39:19. | |
after the attacks in Cologne in 2015 it was the first time then that the | :39:20. | :39:22. | |
Swedish authorities and press admitted that similar sexual | :39:23. | :39:27. | |
molestation have been going on for years in Sweden. Is it right to | :39:28. | :39:33. | |
think, given the problem is maybe not as bad as many people make out | :39:34. | :39:38. | |
but clearly problems, given these problems, is the age of mass asylum | :39:39. | :39:43. | |
seeking for Sweden over? You have cut the numbers by 80% coming in | :39:44. | :39:48. | |
last year compared with 2015, is it over while you concentrate on | :39:49. | :39:52. | |
getting right the people that you have there already? We want to do | :39:53. | :39:57. | |
our share, we have done a lot and now we are concentrating of course | :39:58. | :40:00. | |
on integration and making sure people get a job, and also | :40:01. | :40:14. | |
on big welfare investments because it's important to remember that for | :40:15. | :40:17. | |
eight years Sweden were governed by a government that prioritised big | :40:18. | :40:19. | |
tax cuts instead of investment in welfare. It may just not work. I am | :40:20. | :40:23. | |
grateful to you both, we have to leave it there. | :40:24. | :40:24. | |
It's coming up to 11:40am, you're watching the Sunday Politics. | :40:25. | :40:27. | |
We say goodbye to viewers in Scotland, who leave us now | :40:28. | :40:29. | |
the Week Ahead, when we'll be asking if the Government is facing defeat | :40:30. | :40:45. | |
Council tax is on the rise but we'll still face cuts to services | :40:46. | :40:49. | |
Councils here say they're getting a raw deal from the Government. | :40:50. | :40:54. | |
Nottingham has received nothing, Derby has received nothing, | :40:55. | :40:56. | |
And the campaign to fight tooth decay in children | :40:57. | :41:01. | |
moves into the classroom, where some are already | :41:02. | :41:03. | |
You've got your big teeth and if you eat too much | :41:04. | :41:07. | |
sugar and they fall out, you will not get any more. | :41:08. | :41:10. | |
David Tredinnick is the Conservative MP for Bosworth and Vernon Coaker | :41:11. | :41:18. | |
First, let's get your reaction to this week's by-elections... | :41:19. | :41:27. | |
Labour, of course, holding on in Stoke-on-Trent, | :41:28. | :41:29. | |
beating off the Ukip challenge, but getting trounced | :41:30. | :41:31. | |
in Copeland in Cumbria, losing a solid Labour seat | :41:32. | :41:33. | |
So, Vernon Coaker, the East Midlands Labour Party did | :41:34. | :41:43. | |
play a major role in campaigning in Stoke-on-Trent, hardly a big | :41:44. | :41:45. | |
As far as Stoke is concerned, it was really important | :41:46. | :41:51. | |
for the Labour Party to have defeated Ukip. | :41:52. | :41:58. | |
We have heard a lot from Ukip and Paul Nuttall in particular about the | :41:59. | :42:03. | |
way in which they were going to become the true representatives of | :42:04. | :42:07. | |
the working class, coming to the Midlands and the North of England, | :42:08. | :42:10. | |
to the traditional Labour seats, and it will go into us there. We have | :42:11. | :42:14. | |
the leader of Ukip, Paul Nuttall, going to one of the biggest | :42:15. | :42:19. | |
majorities for Brexit, in the whole of the country, let alone the East | :42:20. | :42:24. | |
Midlands, and he loses. He perhaps is not done yet. Perhaps, but he is | :42:25. | :42:29. | |
in Stoke. He thought he was going to win. Not a good result in Copeland. | :42:30. | :42:34. | |
You were campaigning with Jeremy Corbyn Tom Stalker, that cannot have | :42:35. | :42:38. | |
been easy given that you resign from his cabinet. He is the leader of the | :42:39. | :42:42. | |
party, he was elected. You campaign with the leader of the party. We | :42:43. | :42:46. | |
campaigned hard in ten seam-mac. We made sure people were aware of our | :42:47. | :42:50. | |
for some of the things he had said for some of the things he had said | :42:51. | :42:54. | |
that he wanted. David, I detect some that he wanted. David, I detect some | :42:55. | :42:58. | |
quiet satisfaction amongst conservatives. But perhaps the | :42:59. | :43:02. | |
Tredinnick shows that they will be Tredinnick shows that they will be | :43:03. | :43:05. | |
harder to defeat than expected. If Ukip had put up a better candidate, | :43:06. | :43:11. | |
the Conservatives would have one Stoke because the vote would have | :43:12. | :43:16. | |
held up. It was only because Ukip were unable to get at the labour | :43:17. | :43:20. | |
vote that they did not win. In Copeland, we had the best result | :43:21. | :43:27. | |
since 1878, and not only that, we have strengthened the Prime | :43:28. | :43:32. | |
Minister's can immeasurably in negotiations in Brexit, so they are | :43:33. | :43:35. | |
international ramifications here, in which he is not the strongest leader | :43:36. | :43:40. | |
in Europe because she had demanded that no Prime Minister has had for | :43:41. | :43:43. | |
100 years, and that is winning a seat from the opposition when in | :43:44. | :43:48. | |
government. Vernon, there will be a lot of browbeating after the result | :43:49. | :43:52. | |
in Copeland. Jon Ashworth on Twitter said this was so disappointing, a | :43:53. | :43:57. | |
bit of an understatement. Lifelong Labour supporters turning their back | :43:58. | :44:00. | |
on the party after more than 80 years. It would be ridiculous to say | :44:01. | :44:04. | |
it was anything other than a bad result for Labour in Copeland. It | :44:05. | :44:11. | |
was a bad result but a good local candidate and campaign but in the | :44:12. | :44:15. | |
end we lost the vote. Was that down to Jeremy Corbyn? There was an issue | :44:16. | :44:19. | |
around nuclear power and our support for that although we tried to | :44:20. | :44:23. | |
reassure people about that. We have to think clearly long and hard about | :44:24. | :44:26. | |
the way in which we will respond to that defeat and how we persuade | :44:27. | :44:31. | |
people that we might have some of the answers to the problems. | :44:32. | :44:34. | |
Certainly before the elections any month of May, not long to go till | :44:35. | :44:37. | |
then. Next, the amount we pay to our local | :44:38. | :44:41. | |
councils is set to rise, but local authorities | :44:42. | :44:45. | |
are still warning we'll Councils have been working | :44:46. | :44:46. | |
out their tax charges for the coming year, | :44:47. | :44:49. | |
with increases of up But they warn they still don't | :44:50. | :44:51. | |
have enough money to pay Our political reporters have been | :44:52. | :44:55. | |
taking a look at what it means How we care for the elderly | :44:56. | :45:00. | |
and the disabled has become the major issue to affect | :45:01. | :45:04. | |
all of our councils. In Nottingham, adult social care | :45:05. | :45:07. | |
accounts for around one third of the city's spending and some | :45:08. | :45:09. | |
of that goes to pay for centres like this, | :45:10. | :45:12. | |
the Martin Jackaman Centre in Aspley that provides specialist care | :45:13. | :45:14. | |
for those with physical Labour-controlled Nottingham City | :45:15. | :45:16. | |
Council have criticised the Government for what they have | :45:17. | :45:18. | |
said are unfair cuts that mean disadvantaged areas like Nottingham | :45:19. | :45:23. | |
are missing out The poorer the area, | :45:24. | :45:25. | |
the more that they have lost. The poorest areas in this country, | :45:26. | :45:29. | |
and Nottingham is the 20th, It is a scandal that | :45:30. | :45:31. | |
has yet to be told. There is billions and billions | :45:32. | :45:37. | |
being transferred from the North And it is a similar picture | :45:38. | :45:40. | |
in the county with Labour leader Alan Rhodes writing | :45:41. | :45:44. | |
to the Chancellor last week, urging him to address | :45:45. | :45:46. | |
what he called the funding crisis Nottinghamshire County Council has | :45:47. | :45:48. | |
lost around ?200 million in funding since 2010 and are proposing | :45:49. | :45:55. | |
a rising council tax In Nottingham City it will be | :45:56. | :45:58. | |
an extra ?1 a week on the average council tax bill to make up | :45:59. | :46:05. | |
for losing ?82 million in funding Derby City Council has a budget | :46:06. | :46:08. | |
shortfall of ?14 million this year, so it is cutting back | :46:09. | :46:17. | |
on non-statutory services, that is the things that it does | :46:18. | :46:19. | |
not have to do by law, and instead is asking | :46:20. | :46:23. | |
for the public's help to Now, charities and individuals | :46:24. | :46:25. | |
will be able to apply for that funding to pay for, | :46:26. | :46:30. | |
well, pretty much anything, from self-defence classes to flower | :46:31. | :46:32. | |
beds and help for the homeless. The project is costing ?45,000 | :46:33. | :46:36. | |
to set up and the council is putting in ?60,000 of funding to help | :46:37. | :46:43. | |
those appeals along. Now, there is only one problem | :46:44. | :46:46. | |
with the whole crowdfunding Who fancies putting their hands | :46:47. | :46:49. | |
into their pockets? Now over to Tim Parker | :46:50. | :46:58. | |
for the picture in Leicestershire. Here in Leicester and | :46:59. | :47:04. | |
Leicestershire, we have already seen some big budget cuts | :47:05. | :47:06. | |
across community services. Let us take a look at | :47:07. | :47:08. | |
some of the figures. In Leicestershire, | :47:09. | :47:11. | |
they have made budget cuts They need to save a further | :47:12. | :47:13. | |
?66 million by 2020, of which ?23 million has yet | :47:14. | :47:19. | |
to be identified. Leicester City Council has said it | :47:20. | :47:23. | |
has had to make budget cuts of ?100 million | :47:24. | :47:26. | |
between 2010 and 2016. Its target was to save a further | :47:27. | :47:31. | |
?55 million by 2020. ?22 million of this has | :47:32. | :47:34. | |
yet to be identified. Here, in Leicestershire, | :47:35. | :47:39. | |
we have already seen the closure and demolition of the mining museum | :47:40. | :47:43. | |
in Snibston, and our smallest libraries in the county | :47:44. | :47:48. | |
are being handed over to communities to run, like this one in Thurmaston, | :47:49. | :47:50. | |
and a couple of the volunteers Carole, firstly, do you think | :47:51. | :47:54. | |
it is right that local people should No, the council should run it, | :47:55. | :48:00. | |
but as there is not the money available to run it, | :48:01. | :48:07. | |
then the only way we can do Well, Joe is 16, you are | :48:08. | :48:09. | |
volunteering here as well, why? This is for my Duke | :48:10. | :48:14. | |
of Edinburgh Silver Award and I want to help towards the local | :48:15. | :48:17. | |
community and to complete my award. A couple of volunteers | :48:18. | :48:21. | |
here in Thurmaston. All 39 of Leicestershire's smallest | :48:22. | :48:23. | |
libraries will be handed over to their local communities | :48:24. | :48:25. | |
in the next few months. This is Tim Parker, | :48:26. | :48:28. | |
in Leicestershire. So, in Leicestershire, David, the | :48:29. | :48:40. | |
conservative cancer, as you well know, one of the lowest funded per | :48:41. | :48:43. | |
head in the whole of the country, they are regularly lobbying MPs like | :48:44. | :48:51. | |
yourself. Are you listening? -- Conservative centre. Yes, because we | :48:52. | :48:55. | |
will see changes to the funding of councils, a fairer system. Better to | :48:56. | :49:00. | |
get resources. How will it be fair? The money will be Bicester we did | :49:01. | :49:05. | |
more in accordance with the EU and we will look at the rural parts. | :49:06. | :49:08. | |
There will be improvements. One of the things that has happened is | :49:09. | :49:14. | |
increased funding for social care. As we go through the transition, | :49:15. | :49:17. | |
we'll be bring social care and the health budgets together under the | :49:18. | :49:24. | |
auspices of the organisations. It is not all bad news. As far as | :49:25. | :49:27. | |
volunteers are concerned, it is surely better to let the community | :49:28. | :49:35. | |
run them. They do not have much choice as we heard. The Deputy | :49:36. | :49:40. | |
Leader of Nottingham City Council, Mr Chapman, he has said that they | :49:41. | :49:42. | |
are getting no help from the government to cope with the cuts | :49:43. | :49:45. | |
while better of councils done in the south of the country are. He has | :49:46. | :49:52. | |
described that as a national scandal. He might tell you that but | :49:53. | :49:55. | |
he is wrong. There will be a fairer distribution of raids across the | :49:56. | :49:58. | |
country. At the moment, some of the major cities get twice as much money | :49:59. | :50:03. | |
as the individual as people in my constituency, for example, and have | :50:04. | :50:07. | |
areas of deprivation just as they exist in Birmingham. So you do not | :50:08. | :50:12. | |
feel that areas are missing out? The East Midlands will have a fairer | :50:13. | :50:18. | |
distribution system in the future. It does not matter who you talk to, | :50:19. | :50:24. | |
it is the local government Association, the Institute for | :50:25. | :50:27. | |
Fiscal Studies or any of the local bodies, P Dettori, labour, whatever, | :50:28. | :50:31. | |
and Mr Darby, whatever, they all recognise that the system is unfair, | :50:32. | :50:36. | |
we are unfairly funded. The south gets better funding than we do and | :50:37. | :50:40. | |
even under the fairer funding images that David talks about, that will | :50:41. | :50:44. | |
not change, they will still be a discrepancy and it will mean that | :50:45. | :50:47. | |
people in Leicestershire, in Nottinghamshire, in Derbyshire, in | :50:48. | :50:50. | |
the cities, they will receive a worse level of service. They will | :50:51. | :50:54. | |
not get the level of funding needed, whether it is social care, housing, | :50:55. | :50:59. | |
and so on. The idea that we have community volunteers looking after | :51:00. | :51:02. | |
libraries because it is a good policy decision, it has nothing to | :51:03. | :51:05. | |
do with policy, it is the only be to ensure that they remain open. That | :51:06. | :51:13. | |
is the truth, David, is it not? There is a change, younger people | :51:14. | :51:16. | |
are not going to libraries, they are going online. They cannot go to them | :51:17. | :51:22. | |
if they are not open. There is a decline in demand for libraries, but | :51:23. | :51:25. | |
I very much welcome the idea of local people helping to save local | :51:26. | :51:32. | |
libraries when they are targets for reductions to funding. But David, | :51:33. | :51:35. | |
they are only doing that because it will close. Everybody wants | :51:36. | :51:40. | |
volunteering but it is to supplement services, not as a replacement for | :51:41. | :51:44. | |
essential services, surely? If you have got a county funded library and | :51:45. | :51:47. | |
there are pressures on the budget, surely it is better that local | :51:48. | :51:50. | |
people who love books help in the libraries rather than see them | :51:51. | :51:57. | |
close? Should the Labour Party be going along with these cuts in the | :51:58. | :52:00. | |
first place? We have to balance the budget, it is illegal not to do so. | :52:01. | :52:04. | |
No one is suggesting anyone should act in an illegal manner. But labour | :52:05. | :52:10. | |
councils are doing what they can to protect the people affected by the | :52:11. | :52:15. | |
worst of this Tory austerity. It has been suggested that money should be | :52:16. | :52:19. | |
taken out of the reserves right now to lessen the cuts. The council is | :52:20. | :52:23. | |
breaking into ?70 million but the Tories have said they could take | :52:24. | :52:28. | |
more, is that wise to suggest? There are always choices to make but the | :52:29. | :52:33. | |
reality is that if you look at each of the hospitals, for example, in | :52:34. | :52:37. | |
our region. Just did not University Hospital, there are people on | :52:38. | :52:41. | |
average, 52 people per day, it cannot get out of hospital because | :52:42. | :52:47. | |
there is not social care support mechanisms available to them. It is | :52:48. | :52:50. | |
a regional and national scandal and the governments son around and tell | :52:51. | :52:53. | |
you that it has provided some money, councils have put up their attacks | :52:54. | :52:57. | |
there is a crisis. Social care is there is a crisis. Social care is | :52:58. | :53:00. | |
one of the biggest concern is one of the biggest concerns is that we're | :53:01. | :53:02. | |
facing. The Health and Social Care Act was taken to in the last | :53:03. | :53:07. | |
Parliament and I am a member of the Health Committee which I chair from | :53:08. | :53:10. | |
time to time. It brings together health and social care. We have a | :53:11. | :53:14. | |
huge increase in demand for services because people are living longer and | :53:15. | :53:18. | |
they require more care. One of the things we must do is to encourage | :53:19. | :53:22. | |
people to look after themselves. They can do that by not getting | :53:23. | :53:28. | |
overweight, by taking exercise, there must be education and we do | :53:29. | :53:33. | |
not have that. If there are other systems such as homoeopathic | :53:34. | :53:36. | |
medicine that I have supported over the years where you can keep a | :53:37. | :53:38. | |
of remedies at home, try treating of remedies at home, try treating | :53:39. | :53:42. | |
yourself before you even get to your doctor. But what would that solve? | :53:43. | :53:47. | |
One of the problems is demand or daughters which continues to rise. | :53:48. | :53:51. | |
We do not have a social care crisis because the elderly are overweight! | :53:52. | :53:55. | |
We have a social care crisis because there is a shortage of funding. | :53:56. | :53:59. | |
There are people medical are set to be discharged from hospital to go | :54:00. | :54:02. | |
into the community and they cannot go because there is not a care home | :54:03. | :54:06. | |
place or a social care support package available. There is a crisis | :54:07. | :54:10. | |
in our social care. It is a problem with funding, | :54:11. | :54:26. | |
not that people are overweight. People should be looking after | :54:27. | :54:28. | |
themselves. We must have responsibility to do that as well. | :54:29. | :54:31. | |
Overweight people have a greater likelihood of heart attacks and | :54:32. | :54:33. | |
diabetes, that means they will spend more time in hospital and harder to | :54:34. | :54:36. | |
discharge. Some would say that your government is simply passing the | :54:37. | :54:38. | |
buck with these austerity cuts and beating the council do your dirty | :54:39. | :54:40. | |
work for them. You have to have a budget, it is not just councils. One | :54:41. | :54:43. | |
of the reasons there have been some reductions in supply of money for | :54:44. | :54:48. | |
local government to make good the deficit which the Labour Party left | :54:49. | :54:53. | |
us with when they left power. To have a successful economy with low | :54:54. | :55:00. | |
taxes and businesses that are thriving, you have to have some | :55:01. | :55:02. | |
control over government expenditure, you cannot just write checks for | :55:03. | :55:04. | |
everything. OK. There's a new campaign | :55:05. | :55:09. | |
in East Midlands schools to tackle Dental teams have found that some | :55:10. | :55:12. | |
children in deprived parts of the region don't even | :55:13. | :55:16. | |
own a toothbrush and children younger than ten have needed surgery | :55:17. | :55:18. | |
to have their teeth removed. Here's our political | :55:19. | :55:21. | |
editor, Tony Roe. At school today, these | :55:22. | :55:22. | |
children in Nottingham are learning a lesson in life, | :55:23. | :55:27. | |
it is a lesson not to Right, so we are just doing | :55:28. | :55:30. | |
a check-up for you today, Sean. You've got your big teeth | :55:31. | :55:34. | |
and if you eat too much sugar and they fall out, | :55:35. | :55:37. | |
you will not get any more. And you would have | :55:38. | :55:40. | |
to have fake teeth. Southwark Primary is one of three | :55:41. | :55:42. | |
schools in Nottingham being used as a pilot for what is called | :55:43. | :55:48. | |
the Teeth Team. It is a scheme developed in Hull, | :55:49. | :55:52. | |
where the problem of decaying children's teeth is the worst | :55:53. | :55:55. | |
in the country. You get multiple extractions under | :55:56. | :55:59. | |
general anaesthetic, which is obviously not a good thing | :56:00. | :56:03. | |
to put a child under. They can have problems | :56:04. | :56:06. | |
with speech... Obviously, they come to school | :56:07. | :56:07. | |
in pain, which is not good. They have time off school due | :56:08. | :56:14. | |
to the pain and dental visits. Let us have a look with the magic | :56:15. | :56:17. | |
mirror, open wide... The Nottingham North MP Graham Allen | :56:18. | :56:21. | |
fears his city is not that far behind Hull, | :56:22. | :56:23. | |
which is why he asked What they found in their work | :56:24. | :56:25. | |
shocks the assumptions Some children do not even | :56:26. | :56:29. | |
have a toothbrush at home, so what we're finding | :56:30. | :56:34. | |
is that they are taking these skills home with them and then hoping | :56:35. | :56:36. | |
that they carry on that message and that routine for | :56:37. | :56:39. | |
the rest of their lives. A combination of sugary drinks, | :56:40. | :56:41. | |
poor diet and lack of brushing means that tooth decay is the main reason | :56:42. | :56:46. | |
why five to nine-year-olds It costs the health service ?30 | :56:47. | :56:49. | |
million each year to treat children, In the most deprived parts | :56:50. | :56:53. | |
of the East Midlands, there are examples of some children | :56:54. | :57:02. | |
who have had to have They want to expand the Teeth Team | :57:03. | :57:05. | |
project into every primary school. They say it will save money, | :57:06. | :57:12. | |
but more important than that, Back at Southwark Primary, | :57:13. | :57:15. | |
they value the lessons and the input The feedback from parents has | :57:16. | :57:26. | |
been extremely positive and also from our pupils | :57:27. | :57:30. | |
and teachers as well. So we are delighted | :57:31. | :57:33. | |
with the success. Everything we can do to promote | :57:34. | :57:35. | |
those healthy lifelong habits is a positive benefit | :57:36. | :57:39. | |
to all of our community. A child with healthy teeth means | :57:40. | :57:42. | |
that they do not have pain from the aching and they can | :57:43. | :57:45. | |
take lessons home. What we're hoping is to instil that | :57:46. | :57:49. | |
good routine that they will take with them and obviously | :57:50. | :57:52. | |
teach their children What will also help, according | :57:53. | :57:54. | |
to the dental professionals, is adding fluoride to the water | :57:55. | :57:57. | |
supplies, especially The local MP is pressing | :57:58. | :57:59. | |
for that to happen. It is truly shocking, isn't it, to | :58:00. | :58:12. | |
hear that children younger than ten have already lost some of their | :58:13. | :58:17. | |
adult teeth? Why can this be happening in the 21st century? This | :58:18. | :58:21. | |
government is introducing a sugar tax to bear down on the amount of | :58:22. | :58:23. | |
sugar in drinks, that is really important. We have clearly got a | :58:24. | :58:28. | |
problem that parents are not taking their children to dentists and there | :58:29. | :58:30. | |
might have to be a requirement that might have to be a requirement that | :58:31. | :58:38. | |
they do so. They might have to be legislation to make this happen. We | :58:39. | :58:40. | |
cannot have a situation where children was a lot of teeth. It is | :58:41. | :58:44. | |
almost a form of abuse. Are you being -- are you blaming the parents | :58:45. | :58:49. | |
or the sugary drinks? Both. Parents must understand they have an | :58:50. | :58:52. | |
obligation to look after the health of their children. That is fair | :58:53. | :58:57. | |
enough, isn't it, Vernon Coaker? It is obvious to say that parents have | :58:58. | :59:04. | |
an obligation to look after their children and clearly they must | :59:05. | :59:06. | |
ensure that children clean their teeth. But some parents cannot | :59:07. | :59:11. | |
access an NHS dentist and their teeth fall the date, it is the for | :59:12. | :59:16. | |
more likely that their children's teeth might follow suit. That could | :59:17. | :59:22. | |
be true and we might have to look at the position of school dentists and | :59:23. | :59:27. | |
so on. But there is an issue around parents have a responsibility. | :59:28. | :59:32. | |
Clearly, as they would have said, I am not sure about meeting a legal | :59:33. | :59:35. | |
requirement but there are issues around sugar and payments, it is | :59:36. | :59:39. | |
unacceptable and we are not doing well enough at the present time. We | :59:40. | :59:42. | |
will hear more about the sugar tax in the upcoming budget in March, | :59:43. | :59:47. | |
what more can you tell us? Well, I do not know what will be in the | :59:48. | :59:54. | |
budget, but I know that companies are going to pay more tax if there | :59:55. | :59:57. | |
is no sugar. The number of dentists, that issue was dealt with about a | :59:58. | :00:00. | |
decade ago, dentists increased through training. That is not the | :00:01. | :00:05. | |
problem that it used to be but we have to find those children that are | :00:06. | :00:08. | |
suffering and it does mean that people have got to take more | :00:09. | :00:14. | |
responsibility for their own lives, their health, obesity and the lives | :00:15. | :00:17. | |
of their children. We need a new culture which is almost like the old | :00:18. | :00:21. | |
culture, where there was more self-help rather than constantly | :00:22. | :00:24. | |
asking others to solve problems, constantly going to the doctor went | :00:25. | :00:28. | |
for simple complaints they could have been treated by other remedies | :00:29. | :00:34. | |
at home. I have quoted homoeopathic medicine, try it out. If it is | :00:35. | :00:38. | |
serious, go to the doctor, but if not, do not waste their time. Would | :00:39. | :00:45. | |
schools across the country? What, schools across the country? What, | :00:46. | :00:53. | |
fluoride is in? -- what the use of fluoride? No, the idea of a Teeth | :00:54. | :00:59. | |
Team going into schools and helping them? Absolutely. Try to make it | :01:00. | :01:05. | |
easier for schools and parents, toothbrushes are incredibly cheap. | :01:06. | :01:08. | |
But there must be a demand that we do not let these children fall into | :01:09. | :01:12. | |
a state where it cost the health service a fortune. Would the Labour | :01:13. | :01:18. | |
Party support a sugar tax? We are willing to explore it, it would | :01:19. | :01:22. | |
depend how it is done, but something clearly needs to be done and a sugar | :01:23. | :01:26. | |
tax is one option for sugary drinks and so on. I think that the example | :01:27. | :01:34. | |
used at that school where that school dental project, and not sure | :01:35. | :01:40. | |
what it was called. The Teeth Team. That is correct. It was expanded and | :01:41. | :01:48. | |
spread out, the cost in the short term will be better than the | :01:49. | :01:54. | |
long-term damage. So you would be supportive of that, more programmes | :01:55. | :01:58. | |
like that across the country? What about the use of fluoride, is that | :01:59. | :02:02. | |
the answer, yes or no? Nottingham is not the only place to have a problem | :02:03. | :02:08. | |
with bad teeth. Yes, the use of fluoride is one possibility. There | :02:09. | :02:15. | |
is some controversy. I am in favour. Thank you very much. | :02:16. | :02:16. | |
Time now for a round-up of some of the other political stories | :02:17. | :02:19. | |
The National Union of Teachers in Leicestershire wants parents | :02:20. | :02:26. | |
to lobby MPs over cuts to school funding. | :02:27. | :02:28. | |
It says it could mean redundancies for teachers and support staff. | :02:29. | :02:32. | |
The Government has said its new funding formula | :02:33. | :02:34. | |
Firms in the East Midlands are calling for an overhaul | :02:35. | :02:39. | |
The East Midlands Chamber says the system is broken and wants | :02:40. | :02:43. | |
a scheme linked to a company's ability to pay rather | :02:44. | :02:45. | |
The Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt wants a review of the overnight | :02:46. | :02:51. | |
closure of A services at Grantham Hospital. | :02:52. | :02:55. | |
Three MPs, including Grantham's Nick Boles, | :02:56. | :02:58. | |
who is being treated for cancer, have met the Prime Minister | :02:59. | :03:01. | |
The Nottingham by-election veteran David Bishop, | :03:02. | :03:04. | |
better known as Bus Pass Elvis, is retiring from politics | :03:05. | :03:07. | |
But he said he is reserving the right to return and the name | :03:08. | :03:14. | |
is already registered with the Electoral Commission. | :03:15. | :03:16. | |
Elvis And The Yeti Himalayan Preservation Party - | :03:17. | :03:18. | |
That's the Sunday Politics in the East Midlands, | :03:19. | :03:31. | |
thanks to Vernon Coaker and David Tredinnick. | :03:32. | :03:33. | |
Next week Edward Argar and Willy Bach will be here. | :03:34. | :03:35. | |
Welcome back. Article 50, which triggers the beginning of Britain | :03:36. | :03:57. | |
leaving the European Union and start negotiations, is winding its way | :03:58. | :04:01. | |
through the Lords in this coming week. Tarzan has made an | :04:02. | :04:05. | |
intervention, let's just see the headline from the Mail on Sunday. | :04:06. | :04:12. | |
Lord Heseltine, Michael Heseltine, my fightback starts here, he is | :04:13. | :04:17. | |
going to defy Theresa May. I divide one Prime Minister over the poll | :04:18. | :04:20. | |
tax, I'm ready to defy this one in the Lords over Brexit. There we go, | :04:21. | :04:25. | |
that's going to happen this week. We will see how far he gets. I don't | :04:26. | :04:30. | |
think he will get very far, I don't think Loyalist Tory MPs and | :04:31. | :04:34. | |
Brexiteers are quaking in their boots at the prospect of a rebellion | :04:35. | :04:40. | |
led by Michael Heseltine. I sense that many Tory MPs are already | :04:41. | :04:44. | |
moving on to the next question about Brexit, and the discussion over how | :04:45. | :04:49. | |
much it will cost us to come out. The fact they are already debating | :04:50. | :04:54. | |
that suggests to me they feel things will go fairly smoothly in terms of | :04:55. | :04:59. | |
the legislation. When I spoke to the Labour leader in the Lords last week | :05:00. | :05:04. | |
on the daily politics, she said she was going to push hard for the kind | :05:05. | :05:07. | |
of amendments Lord has all-time is talking about and they would bring | :05:08. | :05:16. | |
that back to the Commons. But if the Commons pinged it back to the Lords | :05:17. | :05:20. | |
with the amendments taken out, she made it clear that was the end of | :05:21. | :05:26. | |
it. Is that right? That's about right. This is probably really a | :05:27. | :05:31. | |
large destruction. There will be to micro issues that come up in the | :05:32. | :05:36. | |
Lords, one is on the future of EU nationals, that could be voted on as | :05:37. | :05:41. | |
soon as this Wednesday, and then the main vote in the Lords on a week on | :05:42. | :05:45. | |
Tuesday, when there is this question of what sort of vote will MPs and | :05:46. | :05:50. | |
peers get at the end of the Brexit process and that is what has | :05:51. | :05:53. | |
all-time is talking about. He wants to make sure there are guarantees in | :05:54. | :05:58. | |
place. The kind of things peers are looking for are pretty moderate and | :05:59. | :06:02. | |
the Government have hinted they could deliver on both of them | :06:03. | :06:08. | |
already. But they are still not prepared... Amber Rudd said they | :06:09. | :06:12. | |
were not prepared... They may say yes we are going to do that but they | :06:13. | :06:17. | |
won't allow whatever that is to be enshrined in the legislation. The | :06:18. | :06:21. | |
question is whether we think this is dancing on the head of a pin. The | :06:22. | :06:25. | |
Government have already promised something in the House of Commons, | :06:26. | :06:28. | |
but will they write it down, I don't think that's the biggest problem in | :06:29. | :06:33. | |
the world. In a sense this is a great magicians trick by Theresa May | :06:34. | :06:37. | |
because it is not the most important thing. The most important thing in | :06:38. | :06:43. | |
Brexit is going on in those committees behind closed doors when | :06:44. | :06:46. | |
they are trying to work out what the next migration system is for Britain | :06:47. | :06:50. | |
and there are some interesting, indeed toxic proposals, but at the | :06:51. | :06:53. | |
moment Downing Street are happy to let us talk about the constitutional | :06:54. | :06:58. | |
propriety of what MPs are doing over the next eight days. It seems to me | :06:59. | :07:04. | |
the irony is that if we had a second chamber that can claim some kind of | :07:05. | :07:08. | |
democratic legitimacy, which the one we have cannot, it would be able to | :07:09. | :07:13. | |
cause the Government more trouble on this, it would be more robust. | :07:14. | :07:17. | |
Absolutely. I saw the interview we did with the Labour Leader of the | :07:18. | :07:26. | |
Lords, they are very conscious, of the fact they are not elected and | :07:27. | :07:30. | |
have limited powers. She was clear to you they would not impede the | :07:31. | :07:34. | |
timetable for triggering Article 50 so we might get a bit of theatre, | :07:35. | :07:38. | |
Michael Heseltine might deliver a brilliant speech. It is interesting | :07:39. | :07:45. | |
that Euroscepticism gun under Margaret Thatcher in the Tory party | :07:46. | :07:49. | |
but two offer senior ministers Ken Clarke and Michael Heseltine are the | :07:50. | :07:53. | |
most prominent opponents now but they will change nothing at this | :07:54. | :07:57. | |
point. She will have the space to trigger Article 50 within her | :07:58. | :08:02. | |
timetable. Let's move on. Let me show you a picture tweeted by Nigel | :08:03. | :08:04. | |
Farage. That is Nigel Farage and a small | :08:05. | :08:14. | |
group of people having dinner, and within that small group of people is | :08:15. | :08:19. | |
the president of the United States, and it was taken in the last couple | :08:20. | :08:23. | |
of days. This would suggest that if he can command that amount of the | :08:24. | :08:29. | |
President's time in a small group of people, then he's actually rather | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
close to the president. Make no mistake about it, Nigel Farage is | :08:34. | :08:38. | |
now to and fro Washington more regularly than perhaps he is here. | :08:39. | :08:45. | |
Hopefully that LBC programme is recorded over in the state. He's not | :08:46. | :08:51. | |
only close to the president but to a series of people within the | :08:52. | :08:54. | |
administration. That relationship there is a remarkable one and one to | :08:55. | :08:59. | |
keep an eye on. Will the main government be tempted to tap into | :09:00. | :09:04. | |
that relationship at any time or is it just seething with anger? You can | :09:05. | :09:10. | |
feel a ripple of discontentment over this. We are in the middle of | :09:11. | :09:16. | |
negotiating the state visit and the sort of pomp and circumstance and | :09:17. | :09:20. | |
what kind of greeting Britain should give Donald Trump when he comes over | :09:21. | :09:24. | |
later in the year. There is a great deal of neurotic thought going into | :09:25. | :09:28. | |
what that should look like, but one of the most interesting things about | :09:29. | :09:31. | |
our relationship with Donald Trump is that there is a nervousness among | :09:32. | :09:35. | |
some Cabinet ministers that we are being seen to go too far, too fast | :09:36. | :09:40. | |
with the prospect of a trade deal. Even amongst some Brexiteer cabinet | :09:41. | :09:43. | |
ministers, they worry we won't get a very good trade deal with the US and | :09:44. | :09:48. | |
we are tolerably placing a lot of stalled by it. When we see the kind | :09:49. | :09:53. | |
of deal they want to pitch with us there might be some pulling back and | :09:54. | :10:01. | |
that could be an awkward moment in terms of our relationship, and no | :10:02. | :10:04. | |
doubt Nigel at that term -- at that point will accuse the UK of doing | :10:05. | :10:09. | |
the dirty on Donald Trump. If there was a deal, would they get it | :10:10. | :10:17. | |
through the House of Commons? Nigel Farage is having dinner with the | :10:18. | :10:21. | |
president, not bad as a kind of lifestyle but he's politically | :10:22. | :10:25. | |
rootless, he won't be an MEP much longer so if you look at where is | :10:26. | :10:29. | |
his political base to build on this great time he's having, there is | :10:30. | :10:33. | |
one. Given that there is one I think he's just having a great time and it | :10:34. | :10:36. | |
isn't much more significant than that. No? There's a lot to be said | :10:37. | :10:47. | |
for having a great time. You are having a great time. Let's just | :10:48. | :10:56. | |
look, because of the dominance of the Government we kind of it nor | :10:57. | :11:00. | |
there are problems piling up, only what, ten days with the Budget to | :11:01. | :11:06. | |
go, piling up for Mrs May and her government. The business rates which | :11:07. | :11:12. | |
has alarmed a lot of Tories, this disability cuts which are really a | :11:13. | :11:16. | |
serious problem for the Government, and the desperate need for more | :11:17. | :11:20. | |
money for social care. There are other issues, there are problems | :11:21. | :11:24. | |
there and they involve spending money. Absolutely and some people | :11:25. | :11:28. | |
argue Theresa May has only one Monday and that is to deliver Brexit | :11:29. | :11:32. | |
but it is impossible as a Prime Minister to ignore everything else. | :11:33. | :11:39. | |
And she doesn't want to either. The bubbling issue of social care and | :11:40. | :11:42. | |
the NHS is the biggest single problem for her in the weeks and | :11:43. | :11:47. | |
months ahead, she has got to come up with something. And Mr Hammond will | :11:48. | :11:50. | |
have to loosen his belt a little bit. I think he will in relation to | :11:51. | :11:56. | |
the NHS, he didn't mention it in the Autumn Statement, which was | :11:57. | :11:59. | |
remarkable, and he cannot get away with not mentioning it this time. If | :12:00. | :12:03. | |
he mentions it, it has to be in a positive context in some way or | :12:04. | :12:07. | |
another and it is one example of many. She is both strong because she | :12:08. | :12:11. | |
is so far ahead in the opinion polls, but this in tray is one of | :12:12. | :12:15. | |
the most daunting a Prime Minister has faced in recent times I think. | :12:16. | :12:21. | |
Here is what will happen on Budget day, money will be more money, | :12:22. | :12:27. | |
magically found down the back of the Treasury sofa. The projections are | :12:28. | :12:33. | |
that he has wiggle room of about 12 billion. But look at the bills, | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
rebels involved in business rates suggest the Chancellor will have to | :12:38. | :12:42. | |
throw up ?2 billion at that problem. 3.7 billion is the potential cost of | :12:43. | :12:46. | |
this judgment about disability benefits. The Government will try to | :12:47. | :12:50. | |
find different ways of satisfying it but who knows. It will not popular. | :12:51. | :12:56. | |
I'm not sure they will throw money at the NHS, they want an interim | :12:57. | :12:59. | |
settlement on social care which will alleviate pressure on the NHS but | :13:00. | :13:04. | |
they feel... That's another couple of billion by the way. They feel in | :13:05. | :13:10. | |
the Treasury that the NHS has not delivered on what Simon Stevens | :13:11. | :13:15. | |
promised them. But here is the bigger problem for Philip Hammond, | :13:16. | :13:20. | |
he has two This year and he thinks the second one in the autumn is more | :13:21. | :13:23. | |
important because that is when people will feel the cost living | :13:24. | :13:25. | |
squeeze. The Daily Politics is back at noon | :13:26. | :13:27. | |
on BBC Two tomorrow. We'll be back here at | :13:28. | :13:31. | |
the same time next week. Remember - if it's Sunday, | :13:32. | :13:34. | |
it's the Sunday Politics. | :13:35. | :13:40. |