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It's Sunday afternoon - this is the Sunday Politics.


Jeremy Corbyn wants to give everyone in Britain four


extra bank holidays - but is the Labour leader up


to being Prime Minister if he wins the election in just


Theresa May says she wants a stronger hand to deliver Brexit -


how will the Conservatives go about getting the bigger


I'll be asking Party Chairman, Patrick McLoughlin.


And I've been in Paris where voters are going to the polls in first


round of the French Presidential election - what could be the impact


In the East Midlands, unpredictable of contests?


the General Election marathon's underway.


Where are the key battlegrounds? And is it really a Brexit election,


or do voters have other issues on their minds?


Or feel they may not like it but the Tories


And with me has always ready for the marathon task of covering a snap


general election, even working on bank holidays, the best and


brightest political panel in the business. David Wooding, Polly


Toynbee and Toby Young. So Labour's big announcement this


morning was a crowd pleaser. Four more rainy bank


holidays to enjoy - one for each of the patron saints


of England, Scotland, But Mr Corbyn probably won't be


getting the time off work if he wins And on The Andrew Marr Show this


morning he was asked what he would do as Prime Minister


if the security services asked him to authorise a drone strike


on the leader of Islamic State. What I'd tell them is,


give me the information you've got, tell me how accurate that is,


tell me what you I'm asking you about decisions you


would take as Prime Minister. Can I take you back


to the whole point? Is the objective


to start more strikes that may kill many innocent


people, as has happened? Do you think killing


the leader of Isis would be I think the leader of Isis not


being around would be helpful, and I'm no supporter or defender


in any way of Isis. But I would also argue that


the bombing campaign has killed a of whom were virtually prisoners of


Isis. So you've got to think


about these things. Mr Corbyn earlier. David, is his


reply refreshing damaging? It is damaging. He has clearly been


freaked to the fire already in the first week, there will be lots of


questions on his suitability as a leader and the damage it could cause


to our national security over the weeks ahead and Andrew Marr has cut


straight to the chase here. The other thing, of course, is the


letters of last resort, one of the first duties of a Prime Minister


when he walks into No 10 is to sign these letters on his own, on or --


or on her own in a room, a very lonely moment, to decide whether he


should press the nuclear button and that goes in the Vanguard submarines


and is opened in the event of a strike and he has dodged a question


so many times. One must wonder what he would do that. He has to make


these decisions as Prime Minister. On the Isis point, refreshing or


damaging? It sure is his base, the people who support him, that's the


sort of thing they support info and maybe his tactic is that's all he's


going to get, that is what the polls seem to suggest, in which case they


will be pleased, and say yes, the man is a man for these who doesn't


press buttons and shoot people down. But if you want to win you have to


deal with your own weaknesses and reach out to other people. I think


most people would say that's not somebody who could defend the


country. I wonder if he was being totally honest in saying he would


consider it he would ask for more information. He has previously been


on the record as being against drone strikes in principle, he's


campaigned against them, he wants to abolish drones. I think Andrew Marr


let him off saying it was a drone strike rather than a Navy SEAL or


SAS operation and he had the fact that they could be collateral


damage. We that's not his position because he condemned the


assassination of Osama Bin Laden even though there was no collateral


damage. David is right on the Trident point, he fetched the


question. We heard Niall Griffiths on this very show saying Trident,


the renewal of Trident, would be in the next Labour Party manifesto. It


turns out now we don't know and when he was asked he said that remains to


be seen, his re-opened a can of worms. What he has said about


Trident which was extraordinary was, we will rebuild the submarines but


not have any nukes on them which is expensive and useless. And of course


the Labour Party were forced soon after that interview to put out a


statement saying it is Labour Party policy to renew Trident. So where


are we? Do we know what the party's policy is? It is to renew Trident


but he has started this review which involves looking at it all again. We


know he is a unilateralist to start with but whether he can force this


through is dubious. Does it matter, though, if the party policy is in


favour of Trident, if the leader is not? The potential Prime Minister is


not? They split three ways when they went to vote on it in the Commons.


The party agreed they were pro-Trident and when it came to the


vote they split three ways. I think it's difficult for them, it's always


been a really difficult issue for Labour. The question is whether you


want to seal off your negatives, whether you really want to try and


reach out to people. There are an awful lot of people who will like


what he said, there are an awful lot of people that think we have been


involved in terrible wars, we have wasted a lot of money and blood and


let's just get back from the whole thing, let's retreat from the world


and not try punching above our weight. There is something to be


said for that and it is a reasonable argument. He's been true to himself


on this. I think he is and Polly is right, lots of people will agree


with him, not enough to win a general election, the latest ComRes


poll shows Tories on 50% and Labour on 25 and as my colleague James


Forsyth in the Spectator said if this was a boxing match it would


have been stopped by now by the revelry. We are not stopping, we are


going on. So the political parties have had


to move into election mode Stand by for battle buses,


mail shots and your social media timeline being bombarded


by political propoganda. But none of this comes cheap -


Adam's been doing his sums. Democracy is priceless but those


planes, trains and automobiles used in the last election cost money


and we know exactly how much, thanks to the Electoral


Commission database. The Conservatives flew David Cameron


to every part of the UK in one day on a private plane costing ?29,000,


in-flight meals extra. They shelled out ?1.2 million


for adverts on Facebook. The most expensive item was their


election guru Lynton Crosby. They bought ?2.4 million worth


of advice and research from his firm Labour's biggest expenditure


was on good old-fashioned leaflets, costing ?7.4 million


to print and deliver. Hope they didn't go straight


into the recycling. Cheap for all the


enjoyment it gave us. To turn a normal minibus


into Harriet Harman's pink bus Nick Clegg toured the country doing


all manner of stunts transported although the party got a grand's


discount when it broke down. Ukip's then leader Nigel Farage


was accompanied by bodyguards Nicola Sturgeon's chopper


cost the SNP ?35,450. Plaid Cymru spent just over


?1,000 on media training And the Greens spent ?6,912


promoting their tweets. It adds up to a grand total


for all the parties of ?37,560,039. Jabbing at my calculator that works


out at less than ?1 per voter. Adam Fleming there -


and joining me now is the man responsible for the Conservative


election campaigns - for the locals next month


and the general election in June - Welcome to the programme. The Crown


Prosecution Service is reviewing evidence from 14 police forces that


your party breached election spending rules on multiple occasions


in the last election. What are you going to do differently this time?


Well, the battle buses are part of the National campaign spend. You saw


them just on the shot that you did, all three parties had those battle


buses so that's why we believe they were part of the national spend and


it was declared that way. At least 30 people in your party, MPs and


agents, being investigated because they may not have been right to


include it in the national spend. Are you saying you are going to do


nothing differently this time? You asked me about last time and the way


the position is... Was. I asked you about this time. We will take a


careful count and make sure that everything that we do is within the


law. But as I say, the last election, all three parties had


battle buses. It is your party that above all has been investigated by


14 police forces. You must surely be taking stock of that and working out


how to do some things differently. You are being investigated because


you put stuff on the National Ledger which should have been on the local


constituency ledger. Are you looking at that again? All of the parties


had battle buses and they all put them on their national spend. I


don't think any of the parties put them on the local spend. The other


battle buses were not full of their party activists. Your party stuffed


these battle buses with activists and took them to constituencies.


That's the difference. And I ask again, what is different this time?


Are you going to run the risk of being investigated yet again? We


believe that we fully compliant with the electoral law as it was. What


will happen if one of these, or two or three or four or five of these 30


people, Tory MPs, or agents running campaigns are charged during the


campaign? As I say I believe we properly declared our election


expenses. What happens if they are charged? You asking me a


hypothetical question, the importance of this election is about


who is in Downing Street in seven weeks' time. Let me clarify this,


you maintain that in 2015 you did nothing wrong with how you allocated


the cost and the activities of the battle buses and you would do


exactly the same this time round? What we did at the last election we


believe fully complied with the law. So the battle buses this time,


stocked full of activists, will still be charged to the national


campaign even when they go to local constituencies? Will they? We will


be looking at the way we do it, there is new guidance from the


Electoral Commission out and we will look at that guidance. It is not the


guidance, it is the lawful stop the Electoral Commission said that, if


you look at the report they did on us, they said there was one area


where we had over claimed, over declared, and another area we had


and declared. We haven't worked out what to do


yet, have you? We will get on with the campaign and


start the campaign and I'm looking forward to the campaign.


I'm trying to work out of the campaign is going to be legal or not


because last time it seems it could have been illegal.


I am sure the campaign will be legal.


You started the campaign warning about the prospect of, the coalition


of chaos. Mr Corbyn has ruled out a post-election coalition with the SNP


and so have the Lib Dems so who is going to be in this coalition?


Vince Cable said he was looking towards a possible coalition trying


to stop a Conservative government. Is not the leader of the Lib Dems.


He's an important voice in the Lib Dems. Who will be in it? Let's see


because of the Conservative Party is not re-elected with a strong


majority, what will happen? There will be a coalition stopping us


doing the things we need to do. Who will be in it? It will be a


coalition of the Labour Party, the SNP and the Liberal party. They have


ruled it out. I think they would not rule it out if that was the


situation. Like Theresa May not ruling out an election and then


changing her mind? The things the Prime Minister said were very clear,


once she had served Article 50 there was an opportunity, as we know


today, there is going to be the start of a new government formed in


France and in September we have the German elections. So it was quite


right that we didn't get ourselves boxed into a timetable. That is why


the Prime Minister took the view that they should be a general


election to give her full strength of an electoral mandate when it


comes to those negotiations. What about Mr Corbyn's plan for four new


bank holidays, good idea? I'm not... If we get Corbyn in No 10 Downing St


we will have a permanent bank holiday of the United Kingdom. We


will have fewer bank holidays of most other major nations, most about


major wealthy nations. What about at least one more? Well, look, he's


talked about four bank holidays. Today would be a bank holiday and


next Monday would be a bank holiday and the other week was a bank


holiday too. I don't think it's very well thought out. It sounded more to


me something like you get in school mock elections rather than proper


elections. Your party is the self-styled party of the workers and


you have no plans to give the workers even one extra bank holiday?


What we want to do is ensure Britain is a strong economy and building on


the jobs that we have created since 2010. We were told that by reducing


public expenditure unemployment in this country would go up,


unemployment has gone down and the number of jobs have gone up


substantially. But no more bank holidays? Well, we will make our


manifesto in due course but I don't think four bank holidays held in


April, March and November are very attractive to people. When Ed


Miliband as leader of the Labour Party suggested the government


should control energy prices by capping them, the Conservatives


described that as almost Communist and central planning. Do still take


that view? You'll see what we have to say on energy prices. I didn't


you about that, I asked you if you take the view... The Prime Minister


made a speech at the Conservative Spring conference in which she


outlined her dissatisfaction about people who are kept locked on a


standard tariff and those are the issues we will address in the next


few weeks when the manifesto was published.


Would that be an act of communism? You will need to see what we say


when we set out the policies. It could be. You could put a Communist


act into your manifesto? I don't think you'll find a Communist


manifesto in a Conservative manifesto which will be launched...


You are planning to control prices? We will address what we think is


unfairness in the energy market. Mr Jeremy Corbyn was reluctant this


morning to sanction a drone strike. You heard us talking about it


earlier against the leader of Islamic State if our intelligence


services identified him. What would it achieve? When the Prime Minister


gets certain advice in the national interests, she has to act been that.


We've seen with Theresa May in her time as Home Secretary and Prime


Minister, she's not afraid to take those very difficult decisions. What


we say this morning from Jeremy Corbyn was a his tans, a reluctance.


I don't think that serves the country well. What would it achieve


if we take out the head of Islamic State he's replaced by somebody


else. It brings their organisation into difficulties. It undermines


their organisation. It shows we'll take every measure to undo an


organisation which has organised terrorism in different parts of


Europe, the UK. I think it is absolutely right the Prime Minister


is prepared to take those kind of measures. Jeremy Corbyn said he


wasn't prepared to take that. Because he wasn't sure what it would


achieve. The Obama administration launched hundreds of drone strikes


in various war zones and we in the west are still under attack on a


regular basis. Mr Corbyn's basis was what would it achieve? It would


achieve a safer position for the UK overall. The war on terrorists. But


the Westminster attack, Paris has just been attacked again? There's


been attacks which have been stopped by the intelligence services. We


must do all we can to support them. The question was about drone


strikes. Whether it is drone strikes or other action, we have to be


prepared to act. Let's move on to Brexit. It is the major reason the


Prime Minister's called the election? Not the only within but


the main reason? It is one of the reasons. Now we start the two-year


negotiations and then a year afterwards. Also the way in which


certain people said they would try to use in the House of Lords or


House of Commons to prevent us making progress. I think you'll put


in your manifesto, it is the Government's policy, the Brexit


negotiating position will be no more freedom of movement. Leave the


single market and no longer under the jurisdiction Europe. You expect


every Tory MP to fight on that manifesto. What will you do with Ken


Clarke and Anna? They will have fought on their manifesto. They will


understand the Prime Minister has the authority of the ballot box


behind them. Will they fight the election on these positions? I'm


sure they'll fight the election supporting the election of a


Conservative Government and it's manifesto will quite clearly set


out... You know they're against these positions. Ken Clarke has a


prod tradition of expressing a certain view. Overall, the party's


manifesto, it is not just individuals like Ken Clarke, it is


what happens as far as the House of Lords are concerned, people said


they'd use the House of Lords to prevent certain measures. You're the


party chairman, will it be possible for people like Ken Clarke to fight


this election under the Conservative ticket without sub describing to all


-- subscribing to all of these Brexit conditions? Ken Clarke will


fight as Conservative candidates. That wasn't my question. I know


that. Will they be allowed to fight it on their own ticket and not


subscribe to what is in your manifesto? The manifesto will be


what the Conservative Party fights the General Election on. There will


always be cases where people have had different views on different


parts of the manifesto. That will be the guiding principles for the


party. Philip Hammond says your election promises in 2015, in your


manifesto not to raise taxes tied his hands when it came to managing


the economy. Do you agree with him? No. The simple fact is we have to do


the best things for the economy. We'll set out in our manifesto in a


few weeks' time, what the policies will be for the next Parliament. Can


I clarify, you don't agree with your Chancellor? What Philip was saying


was some of the areas we wants to address as Chancellor, what the


party will do, it will set out all the issues we're fighting on. It


will set out clearly the choice we have in this country. That's the


important thing. Let me put the question to you again. Philip


Hammond said this week your election promise in 2015 not to raise taxes


had tied his hands when it came to managing the economy. I ask you, do


you agree with him? You said no. Philip expressed his view as to what


he would like. What I'm saying is in a few weeks' time we'll set the


manifesto which will set the policies, agreed with the the


Cabinet. He's Chancellor. Doesn't he determine what the economic part of


the manifesto is? We'll talk about that in due course. Will you have a


lock on the taxes that you locked in 2015 on income tax, VAT, national


insurance? That will be decided. You'll see that when we publish the


manifesto in a few weeks' time. Will you rule out the possibility taxes


may have to rise under a future Conservative Party? Conservative


Government. We've taken four million people out of tax. Now, on average,


people are paying ?1200 less tax than they were on the same salaries


in 2010. I'm very provide of that. I can assure you, the Conservative


Party will want to see taxes reduced. It is the Labour Party


which will put up taxes. We have the evidence where this he did so.


Council tax went up by over 100%. You haven't reduced the tax burden


as a percentage of the GDP is now going to reach its highest level


since the mid-180s which was when Conservatives were in power. The tax


burden in this country under your Government is rising? We've more


people paying taxes which is something, because we've a growing


economy and more people... What about the tax band? You said you


reduced the tax burden on your own Government's figures is rising? We


have reduced the tax burden. The threshold at which people start


paying. These are tax rates not the tax burden. It is rising. The tax


rates have been reduced. You said tax burden. Perhaps I misspoke. Tax


rates have been reduced. We'll leave it there. No doubt we'll speak again


between now and June Is France now about to make it


a hat-trick of shocks The prospect terrifies


the governing elite in Paris. But they're no less scared


in Brussels and Berlin, given what it could mean


for the whole EU project, never mind the huge potential impact


on our own Brexit negotiations. 11 candidates are contesting


the first round of the presidential Only the top two will go forward


to the run-off on May 7th. For the first time since General De


Gaulle created the fifth Republic in 1958, it's perfectly possible that


no candidate from the ruling parties of the centre-left or the


centre-right will even make it The election has been dominated by


the hard right in the shape of the who's never been elected


to anything and only started his own party


a few months ago. And the far left in the form


of Jean-Luc Melenchon, a former Trotskyite who has surged


in the final weeks of the campaign. The only candidate left from the


traditional governing parties is the centre-right's


Francois Fillon and he's been struggling to stay in


the race ever since it was revealed that his Welsh wife was being paid


at generous public expense for a job I've just come across


this magazine cover and it kind of sums up the mood


of the French people. It's got the five main candidates


for President here but it calls them the biggest liar, the biggest cheat,


the biggest traitor, the most paranoid, the biggest demagogue,


and it says they are the winners The four leading candidates,


Le Pen, Melenchon, Macron and Fillon, or in with a chance


of making it to the second round. Only a couple of points separates


them in the polls, Frankly, no one has a clue what's


going to happen. Of the four, there is a feeling that


two of them may be President But the two of them may not find


themselves in the second round. Somebody said to me that the man or


woman on the Paris Metro has as much a chance of knowing


who will win as the greatest experts Because the more expert you are


the more you may be wrong. The country has largely


stagnated for over a decade. One in ten are unemployed,


one in four if you are unlucky Like Britain in the '70s there is


the pervasive stench There are three keywords that come


to mind. Anger, anger at the elite, and in


particular the political elite. And an element of


nostalgia for the past. These three words were decisive


in the Brexit referendum. They are decisive in


the French election. Identity and security has been


as important in this election France is a proud nation, it worries


about its future in Europe It seems bereft of ideas about how


to deal with its largely Muslim migrant population, huge chunks of


which are increasingly divorced It is quite simply exhausted by


the never-ending Islamist terrorist attacks, the latest only days before


voting in the iconic heart of this If Fillon or Macron emerge


victorious then there will be continuity of sorts, though Fillon


will struggle to implement his Thatcherite agenda and Macron will


not be able to count on the support of the French parliament, the


National Assembly, for his reforms. But if it's Le Pen or Jean-Luc


Melenchon then all bets are off. Both are hardline French


nationalists, anti the euro, anti the European Union, anti-fiscal


discipline, anti the market, Either in the Elysee Palace


would represent an existential Brexit would simply become


a sideshow, the negotiations could just peter out as Brussels


and Berlin had bigger fish to fry. We're joined now from


Paris by the journalist 8th Welcome to the programme.


Overshadowing the voting today was yet another appalling terrorist


attack in Paris on Thursday night. Do we have any indications of how


that's playing into the election? That initially people thought this


has been almost foiled in that the police were there as a ramp up. One


policeman was killed. But the terrorist did not spray the crowd


with bullets. It was seen as not having much of an effect on the


election. This has changed. We now know the policeman who was killed, a


young man about to the promoted, he was at the Bataclan the night of the


terror attack. He was a fighter for LGBT rights. The fact he was


promoted, happy within his job, he has this fresh face. Sudden, he's


one of us. It took perhaps 48 hours for the French to process this. But


now they're angry and this may actually change the game, at least


at the margins. To whose advantage? I would say the two who might


benefit from this are Marine Le Pen, she's been absolutely


anti-immigration, anti-anything. And made no bones about it as she


immediately made rather strange announcement in which she'd said if


she'd been president none of the terror attacks which happened in


France would have happened. Francois Fillon has written a book two years


ago called Combating Islamic Terrorism he's has an organised plan


in his manifesto. Unlike Emmanuel Macron who stumbled when he was


asked the evening this happened what he thought, he said, I can't dream


up an anti-terror programme overnight. The question, of course,


that arrows was this is not the sort of thing that's just happened


overnight. It's been unfortunately the fate of France for many years.


Let me ask you this finally, what ever the outcome on May 7th in the


second round, who ever wins, would it be fair to say French politics


will never be the same again? Yes. Absolutely it's a very strange


thing. People have no become really excited about this. You cannot go


anywhere without people discussing heatedly this election. The anger


that was described is very accurate. Very true. There was this feeling as


for the Brexit voters and the Trump voters, vast parts of the people


were being talked down to by people who despised them. This has to


change. If it doesn't change, we cannot predict what the future will


be. We'll know the results or at least the ex-the Poll London time


tonight at 8.00pm. Thank for joining us from the glorious heart of your


city. Now, the Green Party currently has


one MP and they'll be contesting many more seats in June


as well as hoping to increase their presence on councils in


the local elections on 4th May. Launching their campaign


on Thursday, co-leader Caroline Lucas made


a pitch to younger voters. When it comes to young


people they've been But one crucial way they've been


betrayed is by what this generation and this government and the previous


ones have been doing when it comes We know we had the hottest year


on record last year, you know, you almost think what else does


the environment need to be doing All the signs are there


and it is young people who are going to be bearing


the brunt of a wrecked environment and that's why it's so important


that when we come to making that pitch to, yes, the country at large


but to young people in particular, I think climate change,


the environment, looking after our precious resources,


has to be up there. And I'm joined now by the Green


MEP, Molly Scott Cato. Welcome back to the programme.


Promised to scrap university tuition fees, increase NHS funding, rollback


cuts to local councils spending, how much would that cost and how would


you pay for it? Like the other parties we haven't got a costed


manifesto yet, it's only a few days since the election was announced so


I will come back and explain the figures. You don't know? Like every


party we have not produced accosted manifesto yet, we produced one last


time but public spending figures have changed so we're not in a


position to do that but we will be in a week or so. What taxes would


you like to consider raising? We would consider having higher taxes


for the better off in society. I think we need to increase the amount


of tax wealthier people pay. How do you define better off? I'm not


entirely clear what the precise number would be but I think 100,000


people would pay a bit more, 150,000 quite considerably more but the real


focus needs to be on companies avoiding paying taxes. I work on


that a lot in my role in the European Parliament, we see an


enormous amount of tax avoidance by companies moving profits from


country to country and we need European corporation to make that


successful. It has not made much difference yet. We have made lots of


changes. Google turned over $1 billion and only paid 25 million in


taxes last year. There was a significant fine introduced by the


competition commission on Apple and in the case of Google we must change


the laws so that people cannot move profits from country to country.


Everybody wants to do it. But you couldn't face a big spending


programme on the ability to do that. You'd have to increase other taxes.


If you look at the cost of free student tuition, tuition fees and


also maintenance grants to students, that would come in at about 10


billion a year. One way of paying for that would be to remove the


upper threshold on National Insurance, bringing in 20 billion a


year, that's the order of magnitude we are talking about. It is not


vast, and some of the proposals we have... That would be an increase on


the better of tax? National Insurance on people earning...


People earning above 42,000. You would have another 10% tax above


42,000? I can't remember exactly how much the National Insurance rate


changes by. But in government figures it would be 28 billion


raised. I think it is up to 45, a bit more you pay a marginal rate of


40%, you would have them pay a marginal rate of over 50%? We would


put the National Insurance rate on higher incomes the same as it is on


lower incomes. If you are a school head of an English department on 50,


60,000 a year you would face a marginal rate under U of over 50%?


It is not useful to do this as a mental maths exercise but if you


look at other proposals would could have a landlord licensing system,


longer term leases on properties, so young people particularly, but also


older people who rent, could have more security which needn't cost


anything. We could insist on landlords paying for that. The


mental arithmetic seems clear but we will come back to that. How is the


Progressive Alliance coming? It is going well, I have heard of a lot of


interest at local level. Winterset this in contest, context, lots of


progressives are concerned about the crisis in public services, prisons,


social care system, and also about the Tories' hard extreme Brexit they


are threatening. You want the left to come together? Theresa May has


given us opportunity, she has taken a risk because she has problems with


backbenchers, she doesn't think she can get through Brexit with a small


majority so there is an opportunity and we are saying progressives must


come together to corporate, Conservatives are effective at using


the first-past-the-post system and we have to become effective as well.


Do you accept this Progressive Alliance cannot become the


government and Mr Corbyn is the Prime Minister? How could it happen


otherwise? I think that is a secondary question. For me the


primary question is who do people choose to vote for? Aluminium


government afterwards comes after the election. In most countries that


is the case. I understand that but we have the system we have and you


accept this Progressive Alliance cannot be in power and thus mystical


Burmese Prime Minister? Personally I think Mr Corbyn is less of a threat


to the country than Theresa May, she has shown herself to be an


authoritarian leader and she has said she doesn't want to have


dissidents, which I would say is reasonable opposition, and what we


are suggesting at the moment is there is a way of avoiding that very


hard Brexit and damage to public services. You'd be happy to pay the


price of having Mr Corbyn as Prime Minister? I do not see that as a


price. People have the choice of Jeremy Corbyn or Theresa May as


Prime Minister, that's the system that works. You would prefer Mr


Corbyn? I would but votes are translated into seats and the


Progressive Alliance is a step towards that.


It's just gone 3:50pm, you're watching the Sunday Politics.


We say goodbye to viewers in Scotland, Wales


and Northern Ireland who leave us now.


Coming up here in 20 minutes, the Week Ahead.


The general election's underway, but who'll be the winners in our patch?


Our political editor's been on his very own marathon


around the region to find out where the election will be won and lost.


We're going to be on the runaround in the East Midlands as the battle


And will it be a Brexit election, we've joined this morning's


St George's celebrations to ask if voters have


So what's your priorities in the election?


Minimum wage. NHS.


Tax. Immigration.


We'll be bringing you live coverage of the election campaign


in the East Midlands and hearing from all the parties


My guests today are Andrew Bridgen, currently the Conservative MP


for North West Leicestershire, and Toby Perkins,


We'll also be joined by Ukip and the Liberal Democrats.


The polls are looking good for you. Do you expect to wind any new seats


in the East Midlands? Opinion polls are notoriously unreliable. They


been unreliable for the last few elections. There's only one poll, we


need to be out on the doorsteps. It's about who will be a Prime


Minister when we are negotiating the elections. We will be working hard


and hoping to. The Conservatives will be an endorsement of Theresa


May. Any voter any other party will undermine that position. A lot of


hard work to go. Could this all backfire on you as a party? We have


seen plenty of people say that they didn't want an election. There will


always be some people who don't want an election. The polling figures, if


we believe any polling figures, say 55 agreed that it should be an


election, 15 against. You wrote an article Leicester Sinjar party


should be ready for a snap election. Just this morning, Labour were


inviting applications for candidates for 33 seats here in this area


alone. That is a lot. And one more now that Northiam north MP is


standing down after 30 years. I did predict that we should beep repaired


for this. There was not a lot of point talking about whether we


should have an election, we are. The interesting reason we are having is


because the Prime Minister says any opposition prevents her doing her


job and she is catching up very much in the language of the Brexit


negotiations. As we saw from your film there, there are other issues


that people will be talking about. The pressures that are public


services have, we do not want a situation where this Government is


able to cut the NHS with impunity, without knowing that there will be


any sort of opposition. You were singing is not just about Brexit.


How will the election pan out here on the west Midlands?


Well, our Political Editor, Tony Roe spent this morning


running the London Marathon, but before he went,


he did his final training in a run around our region.


MPs running in this year's London Marathon had gathered


outside Parliament for a photocall when news of the election broke.


All of a sudden, the cameras disappeared to Downing Street.


Now they have another marathon on their hands,


a six-week general election campaign.


It was a big surprise, we were filming the Tory party chairman


Sir Patrick McLaughlan the day before the use of holidays,


He's going to be busy doing more than leafleting.


In 2015, Derbyshire Dales had one of the biggest


turnouts in the country, trailing behind only Rushcliffe


I don't want it, but I think we probably had to do it.


Will you vote? Probably not.


She's doing the right thing to get a working majority, so she can push


forward without any... without too much opposition.


One of the MPs running in London is Amanda Solloway.


It should be an uphill struggle for the conservative,


because with a 41 majority, it's the smallest in England.


But the opinion polls have all been downhill for Labour,


which is going to make it harder for Chris Williamson


I once introduced Liz Kendall as the Labour MP for Leicester South.


Afterwards, she said she wished she had Jon Ashworth's majority.


He is also another MP running in the London Marathon.


He also has the safest Labour seat in the East Midlands.


As for Liz Kendall, she's number 100 on the conservative hit list.


Vernon Coaker won it in 1997 at the third attempt,


it's number 28 on the conservative hit list.


But it's not the most vulnerable in the East Midlands,


Natascha Engel has a majority of just over a thousand.


Sir Alan Neale has been MP from Mansfield since 1987,


but his seat and Ashfield in the East Midlands


are now what's called 3-way marginals between Labour,


What happens to that Ukip vote is going to be fascinating.


And one things for certain, all politicians from all parties


are going to have to put in a lot of miles over next six weeks.


Tony Roe pounding the streets of the East Midlands and it paid off.


He completed the London Marathon in just over four hours.


But let's get back to the General Election race and we're


joined by Roger Helmer, a Ukip MEP for the East Midlands


Roger, Tony mentioned a couple of 3-way marginal seats where Ukip may


have a chance, Mansfield, Ashfield. Have you got a chance of winning any


seats in the East Midlands? We have. It depends on how the policy issues


evolved over the campaign. We will be focusing particularly on seats


where the candidate is known to be a Remainer. There is no point, from


our point of view, in tactical terms, attacking... What does that


mean? Which seats are your preference? If I was choosing a seat


to standing, I might want to stand against Cam Clark. That would be


interesting. Ukip wants to ban full face veils worn by some muscle and


winning. Paul Nuttall says this is to encourage integration. But of


course, that is something that could cause concern in certain


communities. What we are doing is, we are not going to people and


saying you can't choose what you wear. We are saying there is a


movement to introduce a lot of cultural changes, and possible legal


changes, showery low, some areas where it is difficult for people to


operate in a normal way. This is specifically about banning the


burqa. It is part of a package. We want immigrants to integrate in our


society and respect our values. If they are not prepared to do that,


they should consider whether they should be somewhere else? Are you


banning the burqa or not? The party policy is to ban the burqa. Banning


the burqa is a policy which could the burqa is a policy which could


provoke serious concern in some of our communities in the East


Midlands. I am concerned about politicians telling women what they


can wear, as long as they are wearing what they want and they are


not under coercion to wear a certain garment or not. How are you on the


rights of women under Islamic law? I am not in favour of


if it is under question, I am against it. They will never come


along and say, I want to take my bug off and my husband would let me.


Plenty of groups work with women in communities where they are doing


that. Tony, what do you think about the suggestion? 200 years ago,


Catholics couldn't stand for Catholics couldn't stand for


Parliament. We know what happened 70 odd years ago. How can you have any


society where a political party goes to a specific community and says


colour your form of religious dress is unacceptable. It is grotesque.


It is something we have seen over many generations, people pursuing


these politics. Here in the East Midlands, something like that? It


could be huge. Of course, we want greater integration. But the idea


that you will reduce Muslim extremism by having a particular


policy that clearly persecutes an individual group, I think it is


crazy. It is not persecution, it is integration. We are inviting these


people to engage with British society. We are creating an


opportunity for them to join our society. That is just one of your


policies, Paul Nuttall also said this morning that Ukip might not


stand against genuinely Brexit Conservative MPs. Andrew Bridgen


next to you has impeccable credentials as far as that goes,


will you put up a candidate in somewhere like North West


Leicestershire? I give you, a commitment, I will not stand against


Andrew Bridgen. I can't give you a definitive answer, but I would be


astonished if you can put up a candidate. So it is a pointless


exercise? There is no point splitting the Brexit vote. If we


want Brexit to be supported, if we want a quick, clean Brexit, the last


thing we want to do, tactically, is to prevent Brexiteers from being


elected. Will you put up a candidate against Ana Subaru? I will be


astonished if we didn't. How do you feel about the prospect


of official backing from Ukip, they have almost 17% of the vote from


last time in your patch, didn't they? What other parties do is up to


them. I will reiterate what I said earlier, every vote for the


Conservatives will strengthen Theresa May's negotiating position


going forward in Brexit negotiations. Votes for other


parties will undermine that. I hasten to add, we are not backing


the Conservatives, we are merely not attacking people that we know are


committed to Brexit. It is even bigger for your party if Ukip step


down in certain areas. In some ways, but in other ways it is helpful. It


underlines what we have said all the time. Ukip is an offshoot of the


Conservative Party. For them to say, from their perspective, the entire


election is about Brexit. If you are a Tory that supports Brexit, you


could not being an opponent, it is powerful for Labour. You ought to


see some of our by-election result in the North of England, the idea


that Ukip is an offshoot of the Conservatives is not the way it is.


The BMP is an offshoot of the Labour Party, they always form in former


Labour areas. The BMP didn't stand down because Labour were standing.


You have Ukip not standing against Conservative candidates. We will


stand against Conservative candidates where they are Remainers.


What about the National Health Service? What about national


spending and the issues that the general election should be about?


People care about it in the East Midlands at all. We have the


strongest economic growth... Paying your deficit down. Borrowing more


Following a Labour government when Following a Labour government when


you have bankrupted us. We have reduced it by two third and we will


reduce it completely. You have broken a manifesto promised to get


rid of the deficit. I thought it was too fast for the Labour Party, and


now it is not fast enough. Thank you very much for joining us in the


studio. That is what the politicians think, but what about the voters in


the East Midlands? Theresa May is framing this


as a Brexit election. But are voters happy


to go along with that, or do they have other issues


they want to see discussed? Well, the crowds have been out


across the East Midlands for St George's Day celebrations


and Helen McCulloch's been in Nottingham to find out


what the mood is there. The flags are out for St George's


Day in Nottingham's Market Square. And if the election goes


Labour's way in June, we could all be looking forward


to a bit more time off work. Jeremy Corbyn has pledged to create


four more bank holidays, one for each of the nation's


Saint days. Or do people's priorities


lie elsewhere? Those are important issues to you?


Yeah, because I work for the NHS. Tax?


Yeah, tax. I'm not interested in anything else,


just making Britain great again. Which party will get your vote


to make that come true? Always Labour.


Never, ever any doubt. Because I don't really


live here any more, see? I live in France.


So Brexit is really hurting me. I've always been


a lifelong Conservative voter. I'm considering this time


to vote Liberal, year. I think the main thing


is for the leader to have a mandate. I think that's why Theresa May


is trying to do it, to probably avoid all the arguments,


like, she's not elected The NHS is a massive one for me,


because I've had health So yeah, that's a really


big one for me. She hasn't called this


election for the fun of it. She's called it to get the support


behind her for Brexit. She's the next best thing


to Margaret Thatcher. In a strongly held


Labour city like Nottingham, it's perhaps surprising to hear


so much support for Theresa May But Nottingham also narrowly


voted to leave the EU. Brexit is still dividing


voters here, and that will no doubt We're joined by Paul Holmes,


a Liberal Democrat party organiser He's a former Lib Dem MP


for Chesterfield, Is your party going to win any seats


here? Of course they are. There are a number of seats where we are


have us 5-1 on to win there. If you have us 5-1 on to win there. If you


look back at 2015, it was an unusual election. 2010, a number of other


seats like Chesterfield where the Liberal Democrats would have been


John contenders. You mentioned Derby John contenders. You mentioned Derby


North, where else will do well? Northampton, we have been strong


there in the past. One of the things about this election is, the


electorate are more volatile than any other election night camera


member. Where do the Ukip voters go? They came from all sorts of parties.


Where do Labour voters go with their collapse? Toby Perkins is after your


seat. All the parties after all of the seats, that is the great thing


about general elections. I would place a system to another money on


the Liberal Democrats having a significant number of seats. You


can't be complacent. It is true what Paul says, a lot of votes are up for


grabs. We will see what happens. But just as Andrew says that any vote


other than the Conservatives weakens Theresa May. Any vote other than the


Labour Party reduces the opposition in Parliament for Theresa May. It is


important we get the maximum number of Labour MPs. There is actually an


opposition to the government. There are lots of issues that need to be


held to account. We heard someone in Market Square in Nottingham that


lives in France. He said he had always voted Conservative but is


worried about Brexit, and he will vote for the Liberal Democrats. With


the Liberal Democrats being so wedded to opposing Brexit now, after


we have had a democratic mandate from the British people, they are


going to really struggle in the East Midlands, because the East Midlands


vote in is overwhelmingly to leave the EU. It wasn't really close. I


have do agree with Toby, I don't think there will be any Liberal


Democrat MPs after eight June in East Midlands. It makes it difficult


for you. 40% of the electorate, as Andrew says, it is a large part of


the electorate to play for. It won't just be about Brexit, it will be


about a number of issues. For the last two years, Labour haven't


provided opposition to the Conservatives. They have fought


themselves over so many issues, they have totally given up on the job of


opposing the government. We need a strong opposition, and the Liberal


Democrats will provide that voice. I struggle to find a Labour MP willing


to endorse Jeremy Corbyn to be promised. They don't endorse him to


be Leader of the Opposition. John Wilcox said outright he would vote


for him to be promised and he is a Labour MP. I hope Jeremy Corbyn


performs well, I hope you is the Prime Minister at the end of the


election. How difficult for you is that? The truth of the matter is, we


are into a general election. Everyone in the Labour Party


recognises the need to unite collectively. It is not just about


Jeremy Corbyn, it is about the issues, things that members of your


vox pop spoke about, the NHS, the impact on public services. The


voters recognise it isn't just about Brexit, it is about a raft of


things. It is about the Prime Minister. We know it will be Theresa


May, a strong and confident Governor, or chaos under Jeremy


Corbyn, some sort of coalition. It is chaos under this governor. --


government. The Prime Minister stood down on three of the major manifesto


commitments you had. We have come out of the EU against the prime


Minster's wishes. It is chaos. It doesn't matter what the Prime


Minister things, we had a democratic vote for a referendum, and the


people decided. We are talking about things other than Brexit as well.


What do you think about Jeremy Corbyn's idea of four extra bank


holidays? Is it a winner? Is that what people want? Less holidays than


any country in the G20. It would bring us in line with the rest of


the G20. Another important thing is, the union is under pressure more


than ever, I am a passionate unionist. Bank holidays to recognise


the Saints, it is a positive step. Many people, I have come through


Nottingham today, huge amounts of celebration for St George's Day. I


would like to see it as a public holiday. Paul, can you see your


party doing a deal, a coalition? No, there are no grounds you can see for


a coalition with the Conservatives or Labour, because they have such


extreme policies in different ways. There's not enough common ground.


Where does it leave you? Out of the wilderness? We are providing a


strong opposition United in what it says, the only party arguing


consistently over the last couple of years. Offering people disillusioned


people a place to go. The Liberal Democrat candidate in North West


Leicestershire actually campaigned to Leave. Your principle, you are


United, it doesn't sound United three. The idea Theresa May has,


that you have do have 100% agreement with everything, she has cold it for


her own party, yes, but she said she was calling it to stop opposition


stopping her from governing. You have opposition, you have different


points of view. Within our party, certainly, there are people,


probably 30% of Lib Dem voters voted for leave. How many times have I


seen this on Tory leaflets and Labour leaflets? They say different


things within the same constituency. It is ridiculous. Would your party,


Labour, would they be interested in doing a coalition with the Lib Dems?


We start the election looking to win it, as you always do. But it is


important to come out of the election with a government and a


strong opposition. The idea that Theresa May has had, to say, if I


have any opposition, it prevents me negotiating. The truth is the


election has come about because Theresa May doesn't have a plan for


Brexit. OK... we have do leave it there. Thank you.


That's the Sunday Politics in the East Midlands,


thanks to Andrew Bridgen and Toby Perkins for being my guests


and to Paul Holmes and Roger Helmer for joining us, too.


And don't forget, if you've got a question


for any of our politicians, you can contact us on


our social media pages, just look for Sunday Politics East Midlands


Next week, we will be looking at the county


on issues like the NHS. Run out of time. Andrew, back to you.


Now, Ukip have made their first significant policy announcement


of the election campaign today with a call for a ban on wearing


But is it a policy that will meet with the approval of the man


who bankrolled the party's last general election campaign?


Hello, Andrew. Let me see if I can clarify some things, are you a


member of Ukip? I a patron of Ukip so I don't stop being a member. So


you are still a member? I am, apparently for life. Are you still


hoping to bankroll Ukip? Not at the moment. Why is that? The internal


problems we have had in Ukip have been aired, and a lot needs to


happen in the party in terms of professionalising it and I think it


is ill-prepared for this general election. Are you going to run in


Clacton? I will be if selected. For Ukip? Yes. Have you been to Clacton?


I've been with Nigel Mansell on the campaign. You will run for a


constituency you've only been in once? Yes, why does that surprise


you? You know nothing about it. I've just recently decided to become the


candidate there. Did you know where it is? Of course I do, your piece


the other night was completely wrong. I said I knew where it was


but I didn't know much about it. Maybe the people of Clacton will


regard you as a carpetbagger? Why? Because you have never been there.


Most politicians are carpetbaggers and I will be there for the right


reasons. I thought it was because of your visceral hatred of Douglas


Carswell. He only lasted 24 hours after I announced my candidacy so we


will see what happens. The main thing I am going to Clacton on


Monday to meet the Ukip councillors, see what the issues are and see if


they want me as a candidate. They may not want me. Who do you think


you will be up against? The potential Conservative candidate.


Who in Ukip? I don't suppose anyone in Ukip will stand against me, I


wouldn't have thought. Really? I would have thought. Money talks! Why


do you say that? You talked about having a pirate radio station to


blast into Clacton so it is not covered by the election rules.


You've been talking about financing a sort of right-wing Momentum


movement. I just wonder, has politics now just become a


Richmond's hobby? From my perspective the reason I'm


interested in it is if you have looked at what has happened in the


country, it's clear the Conservatives will have a massive


majority. -- has politics become a rich man's hobby. Only putting up


candidates not against Brexit MPs. Is Ukip over? I don't think so. The


electoral maths is interesting because first-past-the-post


effectively could help Ukip in this example. Ukip got one MP with 4


million votes. What we are seeing is the total collapse of Labour. In


that situation there are certain seats up north in Hartlepool and


other seats like that, the total collapse of the Labour Party could


help Ukip to win a few seats. Is Ukip over? It looks that way, yes.


They haven't made much of a dent in Labour's vote in the north, they


don't really have a defining issue anymore and all the polls we have


seen published since the election was called show Ukip vote is going


to the Conservatives. Is Ukip over? It always happens when the


Conservative Party goes far to the right, really hard Brexit, there is


no space for BMP, Ukip and all of that. Are you associating the BNP


with Ukip? Or that, movements to the right of the Conservatives get eaten


up one the Conservatives move as far right as Theresa May has done. I


think what your enterprise shows is how it's really time to reform


funding of political parties. It is disgraceful that very rich people


can move in and bankroll the Brexit campaigned to the extent that they


did. We need proper state funding of parties. The union is bankrolling


Labour. I assume the reform would include trade unions? Indeed. Ukip


has lost its talisman in Nigel Farage, it was a one-man party, I


have to say, people like Tim. Having voted for Brexit its reason to be


has gone. It will still take votes from Labour and the Conservatives


but probably only from the don't knows. There are seats in certain


places where if enough Tories back Ukip dated when. Hartlepool is an


example. Were the Tories will never win. The demise of Ukip has been


forecasted many times before but I don't see a Tory candidate winning


in a place like Hartlepool. So we could see, and I think we will see,


the total collapse of the Labour vote. We shall see. The leader of


the party of which you say you are still a patron, Paul Nuttall, said


he would ban the Burcea and the niqab in public, what is your view?


-- the niqab and the Burcea? I'm not in agreement with that. If it is a


security issue at airports or public transport it could be acceptable but


I'm not in favour of curtailing people's writes. You have gone


further than him, haven't you? You tweeted you wanted to ban Muslim


immigration. In my view the problem we have had with the lack of


integration in certain communities has come about through mass


open-door immigration. If you are a must win you wouldn't be allowed in?


What I said in the tweet was I think they should be a ban on


immigration... You said Muslim immigration. That's what I believe.


If you are a world famous doctor coming to help one of our big


teaching hospitals in this country because you are a Muslim you could


not get in? We have to start somewhere, there are huge problems


in areas where 20% of the population don't speak the language, they


haven't integrated. You should read the rest of the tweet, it is control


of immigration from a 10-year ban on unskilled immigration. The first


thing you said was to ban Muslim immigration, it is in black and


white. I have said that, I do not dispute that. I was questioning


that. There is my answer, you cannot tell somebody's will adjust freedoms


but what you can do is stop adding to the problem. Doesn't that sound a


bit like the BNP? It's as like BNP and like Trump. Its, we hate


Muslims, fine, if that is what you are standing for, that is clear. The


final word is we have had open-door mass immigration from the


Conservative Party, we've had it from the Labour Party and its fine


if you are in north London to say these things, if you live in Oldham


and your community has been radically changed and you have a


whole population not integrating in, not speaking the language, something


has got to be done. We had better leave it there. Thank you for coming


in. I am en route to Clacton. We will see how you get on there.


Now, Lib Dem leader Tim Farron was on TV earlier today


and he was asked again about an issue that he's been


asked about repeatedly - his attitude to homosexuality.


when they asked you whether gay sex was a sin.


Come on, Robert, I've been asked this question loads


few days and I have been clear, even in the House of Commons,


It's possible I'm not the only person getting tired


Probably, but then why don't you just close it down?


Toby Young, why does he get into such a mess over this? I mean, he is


leader of the Liberal Democrats. Its 2017. I guess the reason he keeps


refusing to answer that question is because what the implication is that


he does think that homosexual acts are sinful, and he cannot bring


himself not to say that, or to say what Robert Peston and others want


him to say because he is an evangelical Christian who converted


at the age of 20, 21, and clearly he really struggles with this issue and


I think it will be really difficult for the Lib Dems to promote, or even


Lib Dem candidates like Vince Cable, to promote the idea of the


Progressive Alliance even though Tim has ruled it out, if he is not


prepared to say I don't think homosexual acts are sinful. What is


your view? It is disastrous if that is what he really thinks but Preston


did not push the hard. I'm not sure he understood the difference about


the question between gay sex and being gay. I think he just thought


he was going on saying I'm not anti-gay. He needs to command


immediately and clarify it. If you are right and he does actually think


it is a sin he is in real trouble. There is a slight parallel with what


police said before about Jeremy Corbyn, how his unilateral nuclear


policy would appeal to the hard core of the left. The problem for Tim


Farron with what he is saying here, while he is an evangelical


Christian, this will not appeal to traditional Liberal Democrats. An


LGBT community member cannot possibly vote for an MP who believes


that a sexual act between homosexuals is sinful. He has not


made that clear. Of course, he wants to stop Brexit as well so he is


neither liberal nor democratic. He will have seven weeks to make it


clear because I am sure he will be asked again. We have the chairman of


the Conservative Party on earlier, Polly. An important figure for the


Tory campaign. What did you make of what he said? I don't think he will


have him on very often, he didn't do brilliantly. I think they will bring


back chemical Ali, Michael Fallon, he can say anything with a straight


face, he can say black is white. Michael Fallon, chemical Ali? Why do


you say that? He can absolutely say black is white. For instance if you


look back at what he said, you challenged him about the energy


policy, when Ed Miliband came out with it, he said any kind of freeze


would stop investment, the lights will go out. You have him on, he


will say the exact opposite. He is magic at that. But I don't think


your guy today was up to the job. If Michael Fallon was chemical Ali, or


we should say chemical Fally, Patrick was more like comical Ali.


The whole Iraq war is rushing back at me. He is the warm up comedian,


there is another six weeks to go, just getting things started. What


did you think? I don't think he was too bad, it was difficult for him to


say exactly what was in the 2050 manifesto is going to be replicated


in the Conservatives' manifesto during this general election, he


doesn't want to be seen rowing back on stuff but on the other hand I


don't think he can conceal the fact they will be far fewer commitments


in this Conservative manifesto than in the last one, as you and I know,


it was full of rash promises last time because they thought they would


have to trade a lot of them away in the negotiations with the Liberal


Democrats to form a second coalition so they are saddled with policies


they don't particularly want to be hemmed in by. The forthcoming


Conservative manifesto will be much lighter and shorter with fewer


commitments. Different? Some stuff jumped from the 2050 manifesto? I


think so but we will see a commitment to run schools to


overcome that hurdle in the next parliament and I don't think, in


spite of what you think, Polly, that it will be a hard tack to the right.


I think if anything the mood music of the Conservative manifesto will


be a centrist inclusive one. The mood music will be because the


specifics would be there. She is good at saying governing for


everybody and the many and not the few but when you look at the hard


facts of what her and Hammond's budget looks like, you look at her


hard Brexit, it's a very different story. Or that, the music has


stopped for this week! Thank you. I will be back next week at the normal


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