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Andrew Neil and Marie Ashby are joined by Labour elections coordinator Ian Lavery MP, Plaid Cymru Leader Leanne Wood AM, Anna Soubry MP and Vernon Coaker MP.

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It's Sunday Morning, and this is the Sunday Politics.


Theresa May says she has no plans to increase tax levels,


but refuses to repeat David Cameron's 2015 manifesto


promise ruling out hikes in VAT, national insurance and income tax.


The leaders of the EU's 27 member states unanimously


agree their negotiating strategy for the upcoming Brexit talks, but


And in the last of our series of interviews ahead of Thursday's


And in the East Midlands: to the leader of Plaid Cymru Leanne


With low productivity and low wages who's got


And the battle to win political control of our counties


They hit an all-time low after coalition government,


but are the Lib Dems poised to bounce back,


And with me to analyse the week's politics,


Isabel Oakeshott, Steve Richards, Tom Newton-Dunn.


They'll be tweeting using the hashtag #bbcsp.


So when Theresa May was interviewed just over an hour ago


on The Andrew Marr Show, the Prime Minister was asked


to confirm that she would repeat David Cameron's 2015 election


promise not to raise VAT, national insurance and income tax


We have absolutely no plans to increase the level of tax,


but I'm also very clear that I don't want to make specific proposals


on taxes unless I'm absolutely sure that I can deliver on those.


But it is, would be my intention as a Conservative Government


and a Conservative Prime Minister, to reduce the taxes


The Tories like to have a clear tax message in elections, are they


getting into a bit of a mess? That method wasn't clear, but does it


mean, saying they have no plans to increase the level of tax? We are


clear there will not be a rise in VAT, a lot of commentators will get


overexcited about that, but there was no great expectations there


would be a rise in VAT. Tempting as it is, because even one percentage


point on VAT rate is 4.5 billion for the exchequer so it is tempting but


there has been no speculation that would happen. We can see that she


clearly wants to reiterate the language about hard-working families


but I don't think we are that much the wiser. Even if she does not put


up rates, according to projections the overall tax burden, as a


percentage of GDP, is rising, will rise in the years ahead. That is why


it was an odd phrase, I know she is doing it to be evasive but to say


they have no plans to raise the general level of taxation, they do


have. We also know they have specific plans because it was in the


last budget, they had a tax rise which they had to revise, National


Insurance rises, so very wisely in my view they are keeping options


open, the 2015 tax-and-spend debate was a fantasy world, totally


unrelated to the demands that would follow. They now have the


flexibility, one of the arguments you had heard last time was Philip


Hammond saying to her, we have to break away from the 2015 manifesto


commitment and we can only do it this way, that is one of the better


arguments. The Tories like to talk about tax cuts in elections, whether


they do it is another matter, but they are not being allowed to talk


about tax cuts, they are now on the defensive over whether they will


raise taxes. That is not a healthy position for the campaign to be in.


If you look at the numbers, quite frankly, if you will not do this at


this election with eight 20 point lead over Labour, then when will you


take these tough decisions? Reading between the lines of what Theresa


May has said all over different broadcasters this morning, income


tax will go down for low-income families, such as the threshold rise


that microbes that was already factored in. She has had to commit


to it again. VAT will be fat, national insurance contributions


will go up. Do you think they will go up? I think so, she had plenty of


opportunity to rule it out and she didn't. There was a terrible mess


with the budget, it is a good tax argument but not a good electoral


argument that you are eroding the base so heavily with people moving


into self-employment that as you raise national insurance


contributions for everybody but the self-employed, it is something the


Treasury will have to look at. The other triple lock on pensions, we


don't know if they will keep to that either? If they are sensible they


will find a form of words to give them flexibility in that area as


well. I would say there is no question over that, that has gone.


As Mrs May would say, you will have to wait for the manifesto. That is


what all the party leaders tell me! Labour have spent the weekend


pushing their messages Speaking at a camapign rally


in London yesterday, Jeremy Corbyn promised a Labour


government would fix what he called People are fed up, fed up with not


being able to get somewhere to live, fed up waiting for hospital


appointments, fed up with 0-hours contracts, fed up with low pay, fed


up with debt, fed up with not being able to get on in their lives


because we have a system that is rigged against so many.


I've been joined from Newcastle by Labour's elections


and campaigns co-ordinator, Ian Lavery.


Good morning. To deal with this rigged economy, as Mr Corbyn calls


it, the Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell has a 20 point plan for


workers out today. When you add up everything he plans to do to help


workers, how much will it cost? The full costings, one thing I need to


say at the very beginning, the costings of any policy which we have


already ruled out and any policy we will be ruling out in the next few


days and weeks will be fully costed in the manifesto and in addition to


the fact that it will be fully costed, we will see it in the


manifesto how indeed it has been funded, so we are very clear,


anything we have seen already, and there are some exciting policy


releases and there will be more in the future, anything we are going to


do will be fully costed and in the manifesto. You announced a 20 point


plan but cannot tell me what the costs will be this morning so at the


moment it is a menu without prices? It is not a menu without prices, it


is a fantastic opportunity. This 20 point plan is something which will


transform the lives of millions of millions of people in the


workplace... But what is the cost? It will be welcomed by many people


across the UK. The fact the costings have not been released, you will


have to be patient, it will be released very clearly, it will


identify that in the manifesto. Let me come down to one of the points,


the end of the public sector pay freeze. Can you give us any idea how


much that will cost? The end of the public sector pay freeze, so


important to the future of the Labour Party, it is an massive


policy decision. Let me say at this stage, Theresa May, the Prime


Minister, this morning, on The Andrew Marr Show, did not have the


common decency, courtesy all respect to condone the fact that nurses, the


heroes of the NHS, have had a reduction of nearly 14% in their


wages since 2010 and are using food banks to feed themselves! Does that


not say everything that is wrong with today's society? So can you


tell me what it will cost, which is what my question was? What I will


say is everything the Labour Party pledges, everything that we come out


with, what we will roll out between now and the 8th of June, will be


fully costed, people will be very much aware of how much the costings


will be, where the funding will come from, when the manifesto is


published. What about doubling paternity leave, nu minimum wage,


four new bank holidays, any idea what it will


cost? These are exciting new proposals and of course today cost


money but we are the sixth richest economy in the world. It is about


redistribution of the wealth we create. We are seeing growth in the


economy, it is how we utilise the finances in the best way we possibly


can for a fairer society for the many and not the few. You just can't


tell me how much it will cost? That is why I will repeat again that you


need to be very patient. Do you know the cost yourself? You are the head


of the campaign, do you know the cost of these things yourself? I am


very much aware of how much the costings are likely to be, they have


been identified, they will be published in the manifesto. You


really do understand I would not be releasing today, live on your show,


any costings or predictions with regards the manifesto. Why not? You


have released the policy, why not the cost? Because there is a fine


detail and we will identify it to the general public in the manifesto.


We not only explain how much it will cost but we will explain where the


funding comes from. Be patient. Will some of the costs be met by


increasing taxes? I would think at this point in time there is not any


indication to increase basic taxes and again the taxes and spending of


the Labour Government with the proposals of the 20 point plan, the


issues we have got, housing, the NHS, crime, education will all be


identified with the costings in the publication. Can you tell us this


morning, we'll tax for most people rise or not to finance this? We in


the Labour Party are looking to a fair tax system which will be


clearly identified in the manifesto. Mr McDonnell also wants to ban all


0-hours contracts. Would that include those who actually like


those contracts? There are nearly 1 million, depending on which figured


you'd use, there are nearly 1 million people on zero-hours


contract and the vast proportion of those want to be able to live a


decent life, a secure life, they want to understand whether they will


be at work the next day, they're included hours... I understand a lot


of people don't like zero-hours contract and your proposal will


address that, but there are those, I saw one survey where 65% of people


on zero-hours contract like the flexibility it gives them. Will you


force them off zero-hours contract or if they like them will they


continue with them? We will discuss it with employee is to make sure


individuals in the workplace have the right to negotiate hours in that


workplace. Guaranteed hours is very, very important. Zero-hour contracts


are an instrument in which employers abuse and exploit mainly young


people, mainly female people in the workplace. We would be banning


zero-hour contract. But there are those, students for example, who


like them, would they be forced off zero-hour contracts in your


proposal? Our proposal would be banning zero-hour contract and


introducing contracts which have set hours in the workplace. You also say


no company will be able to bid for a public contract unless the boss


earns no more than 20 times the lowest paid, or the average wage,


I'm not quite sure which. What would happen if British Aerospace bids to


build more joint strike Fighters and the boss is paid more than 20 times?


I understand the point you raise but we have an obscene situation in this


country, Andrew, in which the bosses at the very top make an absolute


fortune... But what would happen then? Who would build joint strike


Fighters... The difference in wages between the top earners in the


country and the people in the factories, in the workshops,


producing the goods, is vast. I understand that is the reason you


want a ratio. What I am saying is, what happens if the ratio is


greater? Who gets the contract if not British Aerospace? Who else


builds the planes? We are going to introduce a wage rate CEO of one to


20. -- wage ratio. We want to close the gap between the people at the


very top and people who produce the goods. Let me try one more Time, who


would build the joint strike fighter? We would look at the issue


as it came along but the policy is clear... Can you name a single


defence contractor weather boss' salary is less than 20 times average


earnings? We are not reducing, we have rolled that out as part of this


fantastic plan to transform society to get rid of discrimination, to try


and bring together our communities. We will introduce a pay ratio of one


to 20. Fair enough, thank you very much.


It's a month after the triggering of Article 50, and EU leaders -


with the exception of Britain - met in Brussels this weekend


to agree their opening negotiating stance, to get the divorce


It is inside this psychedelic chamber where Britain's 'Grexit'


future will be decided over the next two years, but there is a vast gulf


in rhetoric coming from the UK and the EU. With parallel narratives


emerging for both sides. There is broad agreement that an orderly


withdrawal is in the interests of both sides. But Theresa May's


position is that the terms of our future trade deal should be


negotiated alongside the terms of our divorce. Meanwhile the EU says


the terms of the UK's exit must be decided before any discussion on a


future trade deal can begin. But don't forget that divorce


settlement. Don't remind me. In Brussels, many think written should


pay even more, while in the UK ministers said the divorce bill


should be capped at 3 billion. After you. Thank you.


For are you looking forward to it? Isn't that divorce bill a bit high?


Isn't this about punishing Britain? We are very united, you all seem so


surprised but it's a fact. How soon can we get a deal? We have to wait


for the elections. It was the decision of Mrs May. It took over an


hour for the leaders to make their entrances but once inside it's just


a few minutes to agree the negotiating guidelines. They set out


three main areas. The first phase of talks on the divorce settlement will


deal with the existing financial commitments to the EU, the Northern


Ireland border and the rights of EU citizens in the UK. They said a UK


trade agreement can be discussed when the first phase of talks


reaches significant progress. And that there must be unity in the


negotiations, that individual EU members won't negotiate separately


with the UK. They are quite good here at negotiating because they are


used to it. They set a maximum and then they have to recede a little


bit depending on what the other side is prepared to offer. I think there


is room for manoeuvre in some issues, but I don't think some of


the baseline things will change that much. For example I don't think the


European Union will concede on the rights of citizens who are already


in the UK. It will be very difficult for them to accept that they will


not be any exit bill, and the question of Northern Ireland is very


important as well, the hard order question. The baseline things are


not going to move that much, then you have room for manoeuvring


between. On security, defence and the fight against terrorism, the


guidelines said the EU stands ready to work together. And after lunch,


friendly signs from some EU leaders as they gave individual press


conferences. Paul and said the talks should open doors to new


opportunities and even German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who had


earlier said some in Britain were deluded about Brexit, softened her


tone saying there was no conspiracy against the UK. Unity was the


buzzword at this summit and for once everybody seemed to be sticking to


the script. That unity is not only amongst the 27 states, it's also


among the institutions so many of the divisions we have seen in the


past at European level do not exist. That is very important and it's not


be unity that is directed somehow against the UK because I think we


all want this to be an orderly process and part of that is that the


EU side is unified. So although there are no surprises here, what


took place in this room was a significant step towards the real


Brexit negotiations which will begin soon after the general election in


June, said to be the most complex the UK has faced in our lifetimes.


Isabel, Steve and Tom are still with me.


Isabel, doesn't the British media have to be a bit careful here? We


would never take at face value anything a British politician tells


us. We would question it, put it in context and wonder if they are


bluffing, but we seem to take at face value anything a European


politician says about these negotiations. You only have to look


at the front page of the Sunday Times today to see that. They quoted


at length Juncker, who didn't like the food at the reception and this


and that, and I think the mood is very optimistic. The key thing is


the EU trade Commissioner has said we will get a free trade deal and a


lot of people seem to be wilfully ignoring that incredibly big


concession. That is what will happen in their view. Everything that is


said at the moment needs a slight rerun over. They are all in


negotiating positions, plus we seem to be completely unaware that they


all have their own domestic constituencies as well. Angela


Merkel has an important election coming up in September,


Euroscepticism is quite different from Britain of course, but there's


a different kind of euro scepticism in Germany, she has got to deal with


that. Of course she has, which is why you are right, nothing should be


taken too seriously out of the mouths of British politicians or


European politicians until October this year. We have got to wait for


the French elections, then German elections, and if you look through


this you can see a way forward. There's no trade talks until pay up,


but what was actually written was no trade talks until we make


significant progress on the money. You can define significant progress


in a lot of ways but come December, fireworks over the summer, we all


get very excited about it, in these chairs I'm sure, come December


things will look a lot smoother. The German elections are at the end of


September but I've seen reports in German press, depending how it goes


it could take until Christmas before a new coalition government is put


together. The Brussels long-standing negotiating tactic of nothing is


agreed until everything is agreed, then I guess the British could say


we agree a certain sum of money if that's what it takes but that


depends on them, what good trade deal we get. If we don't get that,


the sum of money is off the table. In that sense, the two are going


parallel. However, I wouldn't entirely dismiss what people are


saying in their pre-election periods to their own electorates because


they have to some extent to deliver subsequently. Of course Angela


Merkel is campaigning and electioneering, who wouldn't, she


has a tough election to fight, but she is measured and thoughtful and


when she says things like some of the British are delusional, that is


unusually strong language for her. What was she referring to? I don't


know, it wasn't specific. Have the cake and eat it perhaps the


sequencing the British don't want. When they thought the British


government was going to effectively demand membership of the single


market, that's not going to happen now. Unless you sign up to the four


pillars, that's the cake and eat it proposition, which they are right in


saying Theresa May has made. But everybody has access, even with no


deal you have access. The other side of it is I think there will be a


united position from them. And so, as somebody pointed out in that


report, they are experienced, tough negotiators, so I don't think it


will be quite as easy as some think. I spoke to one of those who drew up


Article 50 and they said to me they deliberately put this two year


timetable in to make it impossible for anybody to think about leaving.


This is really tight, this negotiation. Easy, it isn't.


This coming Thursday, voters up and down the country


will be going to the polls in this year's local elections.


Over the past few weeks I've interviewed representatives


of the Conservative Party, Labour, the Liberal Democrats,


Today it's the turn of Plaid Cymru and the SNP.


A little earlier I spoke Alex Salmond, who until 2014


I started by asking him why Scots should vote SNP in local elections


when the Scottish Government had just cut central Government funding


It's actually a funding increase going into Scottish councils this


year, and if you look at the funding position for example between


Scottish councils and those in England, which are obviously


directly related through the Barnett formula, the funding in Scotland has


been incomparably better than that in England so there's a whole range


of the -- of reasons... What's happening south of the border


indicates the protection the Scottish Parliament has been able to


put in that helps vital services in Scotland. But there hasn't been a


funding increase, the block grant from Westminster to Edinburgh was


increased by 1.5% in real terms but the grant to councils was cut by


2.6%. It was going to be a cut of 330 million, the Greens got you to


reduce it to 170 million but it is still a cut of 2.6%. Your own


Aberdeenshire Council has had a cut to 391 million. You have cut the


money to councils. Yes, but councils have available to them more


resources this year, and as you say the budget increased that further


which is why we put forward an excellent local government budget in


Aberdeenshire and resisted a Tory attempts to knock ?3 million off...


You asked me about Aberdeenshire, and Aberdeenshire has put forward a


budget for investment expansion and resisted a Tory attempts to knock ?3


million off the education budget, and I'm very grateful you have given


me the opportunity to make that point. The Government in Edinburgh


has cut the money to Aberdeenshire by ?11 million. It is a cut. But


there is an investment budget in Aberdeenshire that has been made


available by the ability to increase the council tax by 2.5% after a


nine-year freeze in Scotland, and that has brought more resources into


local government and that's why the butchered in Aberdeenshire has been


an investment budget including protection of the education budget


in the face of a Tory and liberal attempt to cut bit. You have to


compare what is happening in Scotland and England, and there's no


doubt Scottish local authorities have been much better funded than


those in England over the last few years and that's been the ability of


the Scottish Government to protect the services at local level. A good


reason for voting SNP. If they have been so well funded, why after a


decade of SNP rule do one in five Scottish pupils leave primary school


functionally illiterate? You have got to take these things... Nicola


Sturgeon has made it a top priority to address these challenges but


let's take another statistic. 93% of Scottish kids are now emerging from


school to positive destinations, that means to further education,


apprenticeships or work. Why are one in five functionally illiterate? You


argue one statistic, I'm arguing Scottish education is putting in


some substantially good performances like the 93% going on to positive


destinations. You can't have a failing education system if you have


got that 93%, and incidentally a record low youth unemployment in


Scotland without the second lowest unemployment rate in Europe. These


pupils are being prepared by the Scottish education system. Let's


take the figures in the round on education. It's so important. Under


your watch, under your government, the Scottish schools in the most


important global comparison have fallen from tenth to 19th in


science, and 11 to 24th in maths, that is a record of decline and


failure. That is by the OECD and first questions about that, but the


OECD has also described Scotland is one of the best educated societies


in the world. That was from the school system in previous years gone


by. For those who are currently in Scottish schools, you have fallen


from 11th to 24th in mathematics. The OECD was commenting on


introduction of the new curriculum for excellence in which they have


given a resounding thumbs up to it, and that's the same source as the


rankings which you are comparing. Nicola Sturgeon has said there are


challenges on Scottish education, particularly the access through the


education system and the attainment gap but don't tell me it's failing


when 55% of our pupils have gone on to higher education. That's one of


the most impressive figures in the world. Why have you cut 4000


teachers? The pupil numbers in Scotland have been falling over


recent years as well and now of course we are increasing the number


of people going through teachers training so we can make sure that


number increases, but listen, the Scottish Government and Scottish


Parliament, as you very well know, are subject to real terms spending


cuts over the last few years and all public services have been under


pressure. The main reason in terms of teacher numbers has been an


attempt on the Scottish Government to protect the teacher pupil ratio,


and that will now be enhanced by a further taker -- intake. You


promised you would reduce primary class sizes to 18 and instead they


are now 23.5 and rising. You broke that promise. You didn't mention


where we started from. We have kept the teacher pupil ratio very solid


in Scotland and that's been against a range of public expenditure cuts


but the new intake of teachers into the new teacher training in Scotland


I think will enhance the system. You have spent in the pasty in


Hollywood 43 hours on Government time debating independence. How many


hours have you debated education on Government time? I don't have that


they get a hand... The answer is zero, you have spent zero-hours


debating education on Government time. Isn't it time the SNP got back


to concentrating on the day job? Andrew, as you very well know Nicola


Sturgeon has identified a key priority, closing the attainment gap


in Scottish education. That is exactly what she has done. Let me


answer the question, it is difficult to be in a remote location, if you


talk before I answer the question then the view was will not be able


to listen. I let you answer that without saying a word. Is this


general election about independence, as you say it is, or not about


independence, as Mrs Sturgeon says it is? No, I have said exactly the


same as Nicola Sturgeon on that. The issue what independence will be


decided in a national referendum of the Scottish people. The mandate for


that referendum was gained in last year's Scottish elections. What this


election is about is backing the right of the Scottish parliament to


exercise that mandate and also providing real opposition to this


Tory Government and allowing the Scottish Parliament to reverse


austerity and some of the public expenditure cutbacks you have been


talking about, that is what this is about, backing our Scottish


Parliament. Alex Salmond, speaking


to me earlier. I'm now joined by the leader


of Plaid Cymru, Leanne Wood. You accuse the Government of wanting


an extreme Brexit, those are your words. What is the difference


between hard Brexit and extreme Brexit? My concern is the way in


which we leave the European Union could be very damaging to Wales if,


for example, there are tariffs introduced then that would have a


real impact in terms of Welsh jobs, and I want to make sure that we have


a Brexit that doesn't cause the damage to Wales that could be


caused. But what is the difference between extreme and hard? Anything


that puts Welsh jobs at risk is either extreme or hard and


unacceptable to Plaid Cymru, and we will do what we can to protect those


jobs. You want Wales to remain a member of the single market even if


the UK isn't, which would mean Wales having to accept the free movement


of people, still being under the jurisdiction of the European Court,


and you also want to stay in the customs union which means you could


not do your own free trade deals. What is the difference between that


and being a member of the European Union? We would be like Norway,


outside the European Union and inside the single market. The key


question is the issue of jobs and the ability to continue to trade.


Wales exports, we are the biggest exporter in the whole of the UK, so


there are many jobs reliant upon those goods being able to be sold to


the single market. Is it central to the UK? Out of the four countries


that make up the UK... Proportionally, yes. If you remain


in the single market, it is hard to see how Wales could stay in the


single market if the UK -- when the rest of the UK was not, you cite


Norway, that has free movement, it has to be said, it effectively have


to accept the jurisdiction of the European Court, it is not in the


customs union so it can do some of its own free trade deals, but the


Welsh people voted to leave. We have to accept the principle of free


movement if there is not going to be a hard border between the north and


south of Ireland. There is going to be free movement within Ireland and


therefore freedom of movement, as we said in the referendum campaign,


would be very, very difficult to rule out. You lost that campaign, as


you know, Wales voted to leave, 17 Council areas voted to leave, only


five voted to remain. Doesn't it explain why your party is going


nowhere? A majority in Wales voted to leave but you effectively want to


support that and de facto remain in the EU? I don't accept that, we


accepted the result but Plaid Cymru now is about defending Wales. There


are so many risks facing our people from the jobs perspective, the


privatisation perspective, the cuts perspective, and from the fact that


the Tories would like to grab power was back from our National Assembly,


so the key point... If you look at the Wales bill that went through


recently, the list of reserved powers there suggests there are some


powers currently within the Welsh Assembly jurisdiction that would be


dragged back. Which power was will Westminster take back? They could


take powers back over the NHS, for example. There is no indication they


want to do that. The Tories have attacked the Welsh NHS. That is my


point! Quite viciously. If they increase their mandate, I wouldn't


put it past them to try to take power was back over the NHS and then


of course we risk our NHS being privatised though this election is


all about defending Wales, protecting Welsh people from further


privatisation and cuts and a power grab from the Tories. Why is there


never a breakthrough for your party, Plaid Cymru? Labour dominated in


Wales for years, the Tories do quite well, Ukip had a surge for a while,


it looks like the Tories will have another surge, never you, always the


bridesmaid, never the bride. Wait until Thursday and I think you will


see that in many parts of Wales we will increase our representation at


a local council level. In the Rhondda, where I am assembly member,


we are looking to increase our representation... You are only 13%


in the polls will stop which is half of even the Tories in Wales! If you


don't breakthrough in the selection, if the real problem is going


nowhere, do you think you will pack it in? Robert Green not, I have a


job to do, a vision of Wales which is about building up our nation and


standing on our own two feet and my job is not done yet. Thank you for


being with us as part of your job, we will see how it goes on Thursday.


It's just gone 11.35, you're watching the Sunday Politics.


We say goodbye to viewers in Scotland who leave us now


The election's in full swing as the Prime Minister


But what impact is she having on voters here?


Theresa, is it May, I don't know if she's got much idea of what she's


And there's another election this week, when voters take to the polls


to decide who will run our county councils - we've a special report


Across the county, the battle lines are drawn.


Will Labour be overrun or will the Tories' dreams be left in ruins?


My guests this week - Anna Soubry is the Conservative MP for Broxtowe


and Vernon Coaker is the Labour MP for Gedling.


Well, Anna the papers are full of the EU telling


Theresa May that her strategy of trade first in the Brexit


It's worrying that they feel like that at this stage. We've made it


clear, and I think the EU also accepts that it is all part of the


package. I listen to the interview with the Prime Minister this one.


She said that she wants a good striker. That will be part of


sorting out any excellent payments. -- she once a good trade deal.


They want us to pay the money we owe Brussels and sort out


I don't think that they have said we should pay at first. They said we


should agree at first. The thing on EU citizens is absolutely right.


There is no difficulty with the Government there, I think. The


trade agreement. Rather the EU does. trade agreement. Rather the EU does.


election, many good things about the election, many good things about the


forthcoming general election, it will extend the amount of time left


to the Prime Minister to make sure that if we need to extend the no


cogitations beyond two years then she's got the time to do that. --


the negotiations beyond two years. She's also got time for transitional


negotiations. Your opinions can be at odds


with others in your party. Vernon, you resigned


from Jeremy Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet, now you're telling us to vote


to make him Prime Minister. Not really. People knew my position


about Jeremy Corbyn. Now I am contending with everybody in the


general and council elections to vote Labour. People see the choices


that are there and we've been talking about Brexit. We saw the


Prime Minister this one. It's very unclear what is going to happen in


the discussions with the European Union. There could us that they will


be tough about that. I think in the circumstances it's important to have


Labour MPs in a stronger position working with people like Anna. -- in


extra on opposition. So that Theresa May doesn't have a budget. And you


will be opposition, want you? We have to see which records. It's


really important that rather the opposition is that they are strong.


The Government have to be held to account. That is important


particularly in the run-up to Brexit negotiations. We don't want a hard


Brexit. It's about jobs, industry, the rights of people that of you.


The Labour Party have said that they would immediately guarantee the


rights of EU nationals already have. It doesn't sound like you expect of


them, though. The pollster deflector. We have an awful lot of


work to do. A sign of the difficulties you face


is you've had to step aside this week from Open Britain,


which promotes a soft Brexit, now in reality you've got to fight


for whatever type of No, no, no. Absolutely not. First of


all, Theresa May made it clear that she wants this election to


strengthen our hand. She's also made it clear she does not want a hard


Brexit. She wants a deal. I agree with her. The next thing about open


Britain, the reason I stepped away from it is because quite without any


consultation they chosen to back certain candidates which placed


those candidates in direct opposition to friends and colleagues


of mine. Two in particular I was horrified... So I get you to do


that? Absolutely. That's why it made it clear to them that I think that


Open Britain has lost the plot. The most important thing is that we get


out and we make the case, whichever point of view might have. Most


people that I speak to, I'd be campaigning for the county averages


for ages. They are bored with Brexit. They are worried about the


outcomes, though. I'm sure they are. From now until June the 8th,


there'll be no escaping the politicians out


to grab your vote. But what are the big issues


that might affect us From low wages to problems


in the NHS, there are a lot of challenges in our region


for whoever wins the election. Our political editor, Tony Roe,


has been casting his eye over them. On the campaign trail in Derbyshire


at a roofing company in Clay Cross, IKO Polymeric has been in business


across Europe for over 40 years. How that trade works


after Brexit will be down What businesses are looking


for is certainty, so a clear direction of travel from Brexit,


what will be details of those Brexit negotiations be,


particularly around trade deals, It results in investment and that


results in job creation. Theresa May was on a quick stop-off


in the most marginal Labour seat in the East Midlands,


North East Derbyshire. New businesses have brought


a new kind of employment to former mining communities which used to be


Labour strongholds. Linney in Mansfield started


as a book shop in the town Now it's a digital marketing company


with over 800 staff and is one If you worked down a pit, you could


see the coal was running out. People just did what people do,


they make other arrangements. The town is full of great people


and we're still here. Mansfield has a high level


of economically inactive - almost 14,000 - that's


people of working age Almost half are defined


as long-term sick. Figures like that perhaps go some


way to explaining the East Midlands' The Prime Minister says


Conservatives are the party That's a phrase coined


by Harold Macmillan 60 years ago. Labour, meanwhile,


say they are the party What they say and what they dish out


is two different things. Every party says the same thing


but in a different way. They're going to make


changes, change that, They were voted out


Because Theresa May, I don't know if she's got much idea


This week, Leicester's new ?48 million accident


and emergency department opened, an investment in the NHS which it's


Labour also revealed plans this week they say will increase morale


They've promised to raise the wages of NHS staff and also reintroduce


training bursaries for nursing staff which were scrapped


The Royal College of Nursing says a shortage of nurses and the effects


of Brexit on recruitment are of grave concern.


Surely the people that are here from other EU nations,


that trusts have worked really hard to bring over to fill the shortages


here, surely it's time that those people need certainty


about their future employment rights.


Employers are between a rock and a hard place at the moment


knowing how on earth they're going to fill the vacancies


Economic growth has slowed significantly this year,


with prices up and people not spending as much


The Lib Dems have seized on this, saying the Brexit squeeze


is beginning to bite and they say a hard Brexit will leave


You met Theresa May this week and you've been talking


How's the general election playing out in the East Midlands?


It'll be interesting to see whether Theresa May does what she says she


enjoys doing, going on to the doorsteps and meeting people. There


was no sense of that disease interpreter. She came to a factory


which was pretty empty. -- there was no sense that this weekend option.


We got one question each. But much every chance to interrogate her


about any issues you. -- not much of a chance. She is taking flak from


some of the parties that she start talking to ordinarily people. We've


not had laboured here yet. I imagine if Jeremy Corbyn comes he will come


to somewhere like Derby. Mansell put it yesterday and he got a May Day


rally but I recognise the crowd. How do you tackle these issues, is it on


the agenda? Low productivity has been a big problem which has been


difficult to solve. When I used to be the Business Minister we looked


at it. The new industrial strategy, tries to drill into it. It is to


accommodated and there are many different factors to what causes it


and what he can do to sorted. Mansell, like many errors in our --


Everest in our country. With all these communities that have had


generation upon generation of not working, lack of aspiration and so


on. Normally in labour Everest. -- labour Everest. That is right


apprenticeship training is so of water. I always argued for a change


in the rating systems so that when businesses invested in new machinery


they didn't get penalised. Is the Government doing enough on this? The


Government isn't doing enough but there is a challenge for


governments. It is interesting about Nottinghamshire. One of the pledges


of the Labour Party in Nottinghamshire, they will do more


to generate the skill base that we need three apprenticeships and


vocational training. Through working with the agencies. -- we need


apprentices. It is being good to see Labour in Nottinghamshire promising


that as one of their specific collection pledges. Places like


manslaughter to ageing. The big employer, maybe that's changed from


the coal-mining history. -- places like Mansfield are changing. Maybe


this is why Labour are struggling in these traditional strongholds. We


are speaking to vote and thing we want to give people the opportunity


and chance to work in these new jobs. Talking about his new jobs,


bringing the new investment in. Investment by the Government and


using investment more effectively in service like -- into areas like


that. It is about raising aspiration in these communities. Donny, what is


your sense of how the other parties are putting the election? Lib Dems


clearly feel they can take them sit clearly feel they can take them sit


in -- some seats in Leicestershire. Lobbies


for anything after Brexit? This will for anything after Brexit? This will


be crucial. Who is the party for working people? Both parties are


positioning themselves as that. That's traditionally a Labour claim,


can you really make it? The Tories have always wanted to


represent everybody, not interested as to their background, just where


they are going. I've been knocking on doors for months now. The thing


that is really, really striking is that Labour has a real problem with


its working-class, whatever that means. Most people get what that


means. They find themselves unable, understandably, to back Jeremy


Corbyn. It's a challenge for all parties with specific parts of the


electorate. There is a challenge from Labour to ensure that people


understand its policies and believe in them. That is why, alongside


other parties, we are canvassing across the whole of Nottinghamshire


and these midlands. People are and these midlands. People are


saying to people, listen to what we are saying, listen to what Labour is


actually saying and offering to the working class. George ours on what


we are saying and not what you were being told. -- George ours. In 2016,


we heard it was going to be really bad from Labour. It didn't turn out


as bad as people were saying. Well, of course, there is another


election going on at the moment - voters will go to the polls this


Thursday to decide who runs All of the seats in Nottinghamshire,


Derbyshire, Leicestershire The closest fight is expected to be


in Nottinghamshire. Labour are in charge here,


but there's no overall control - they have 32 seats, two short


of the number needed for a majority. In Derbyshire, Labour have


an overall majority of ten seats. In Leicestershire, the Conservatives


have a majority of three. In Lincolnshire, there's


no overall control, but the Conservatives


are the largest party with 36 seats. With the county council


elections coming so close to a general election, the results


will be watched carefully. Our political reporter, Peter Saull,


has been taking a look at the battle From the Civil War to the miners'


strikes, Nottingham has often And these county council


elections are no different. Labour is besieged on all


sides and the Tories This is what Nottinghamshire


could be like. The local Conservative leader thinks


tearing down part of County Hall I completely trust the Conservatives


to manage things in a proper, We need to raise the profile of this


council, we need to raise the profile of the county


across England, start We've done this once


and I know we can do it again. Also on the attack,


the Liberal Democrats, hoping for an anti-Brexit surge


from the south of the Trent. We're the one party


that support Remain. It's not only about that,


it's also about education and making sure that we have an education


system that suits everybody, It's about making sure


that we have good social care, which at the moment is being


absolutely starved of funding. People are ready


to vote differently. The Lib Dems have new


allies in the Greens. They've agreed not to stand


against each other in one area. The Lib Dems and the Green party,


be sure quite a lot of policies, so we thought it makes sense to do


a pact, so voters don't have to consider voting either Green


or the Lib Dems if they agree To the west, along


the Nottinghamshire coalfield, unruly bands of independents


are planning more raids. One day I might agree


with a Conservative point of view, another day with the Labour


point of view. I can vote whichever way


I want, whichever I think And don't forget Ukip,


looking to make inroads Locally, we've been very strong


in the past, we are representing people whose voice aren't heard


in the other parties, people are fed up of paying more


and more and receiving less services and it's about time we give them


a decent opposition. When under attack, the key


is to hold firm and staunchly I'm confident that we can do


well in these elections. We don't take anything


for granted but the response I'm confident that Nottinghamshire


will return a Labour county council. People are very concerned


about the future of their local services and they know that we've


had for years, we've delivered and that their services


are safe in our hands. Across the county,


the battle lines are drawn. The Labour be overrun or will


the Toriess dreams be left in ruins? And I can assure you that


Newark Castle was not harmed in any way during the making


of that report. As Peter mentioned, there


are independents standing in several parts of Nottinghamshire,


including the Ashfield Independents group and the Hucknall


First Community Forum. It's easy to forget


these county council Pretty vital for Labour,


what does it mean if you do as badly I agree. We are confident the devil


do well. Just a couple of months ago, one of the worst county council


meetings, the Conservatives proposed an amendment that would have got


money going to adult social care and 1.5 million to children and young


people services. -- one of the first county council. That's what it will


mean. The Nottinghamshire Tories joining in and adding the cuts. That


is the choice people have got. That is what people will vote this


Thursday. We didn't vote for your budget, we proposed own budget,


which are devoted against. It was an extra 3% on the social care precept,


more money going in. A ?1 million portal fun. -- a ?1 million pothole


fund. We both agree that adult social care needs to be helped.


This is about the services that local people receive. Would you be


in trouble? It's the general election that Jeremy Corbyn is


standing in. -- would he be in trouble. I think we will do it in


the... If you didn't do well, should you step aside? He's not going to


step aside, residing in the general election. They deserve to do well,


the Labour candidates. Are you expecting a low turnout


in the county council elections? There is a difficulty because of the


general election on June the 8th. People get it. They are not stupid.


They are looking for to voting on Thursday. People get it. I do


genuinely believe that. We've got a cracking team of candidates. On the


doorsteps, I've been on every many months, we are going down very well.


Everybody has to get out there. I hope they will vote Conservative.


Different doorsteps to me, then, Anna.


You can see a full list of candidates on the county


councils' websites and you can hear more from the candidates


on the Facebook pages of our local radio stations.


Time now for a look at some of the other political stories


in the East Midlands this week, here's Rob Pittam with 60 Seconds.


The Government has been told it must publish its plans for tackling air


Two cities in the region, Nottingham and Derby,


have some of the highest levels of pollution in the country.


They've been designated clean air zones.


Dangerous dogs are clearly a very serious problem.


The Loughborough MP Nicky Morgan wants to change the law to tackle


dog owners who allow their pets to attack other dogs.


She held a debate in Parliament calling for all dogs


to have the same legal protection as assistants and guide dogs.


Another of the region's long serving MPs is to stand down.


The Conservative Sir Edward Garnier, who has represented


Harborough for 25 years, has announced his retirement.


Graham Allen, who's served 30 years as the Labour MP


for Nottingham North, is also stepping down.


Nottingham and Derby are bearing traditional


-- Nottingham and Derby are burying traditional


The councils are planning to introduce a new metro card


which would allow residents to use libraries and leisure


They'll also collaborate to promote Nottingham


That's the Sunday Politics in the East Midlands,


thanks to Anna Soubry and Vernon Coaker.


Next week, full coverage of those county council results.


we will take the mandate that we want. To all three of you, thank


you. Andrew, back to you. So, how will Thursday's local


election results affect Who's winning the


election ground war? And as he celebrates 100


days in the White House, We have the local elections, Metro


elections in Liverpool, greater Birmingham, West Midlands, how will


they play into the general election? Significantly, it is very unusual.


People keep comparing this with the election in 83, not! Margaret


Thatcher was nervous and to wait until after the local elections to


call the election to see the result. We are getting these result in the


middle of an election campaign so it will be important, whoever does


badly will suffer a dent in confidence in terms of how they


approach the election and we are also going to have mayoral figures


as a reminder of another big difference with the 80s that however


big, say, the Conservatives win in Westminster, there are now sectors


of power in other parts of the United Kingdom which were not there


in the 80s. One of the reasons niches that are rated in 83 was


memories were still alive in political circles of 1970, Wilson


saw the local election results and thought, I can win, he was told he


would win by the Economist magazine, who had done the analysis, and of


course he lost, so that is why she waited, Mrs May does not need to


wait for that at all now, and on the Metro elections, the one she will be


looking at is the West Midlands, that is the one that is a


competition. I think she can really lose on Thursday in the local


elections, governing parties are supposed to take effect again,


losing lots of council seats. She is projected to put on 100 or so seats,


Labour projected to lose around 200, the first time the main opposition


party has shed seats since something like 83 so clearly the local


elections give Mrs May great momentum going into the general


election campaign but there is a downside in that, which is what we


have already heard fighting about this morning, if it looks like it is


going too well for the Tories, it says to voters, why bother turning


up? Sushi comes up with totally unbelievable sound bites this


morning that this is the most important general election in her


lifetime. Really?! For her it is! It always is until the next one! I


wonder if voter turnout is a problem? Tory voters are more likely


to vote than Labour voters. If there is a sense that it is all over bar


the shouting, the overall turnout will be low that Tory voters are


still likely to turn out more than Labour voters so she would still win


some. I don't think she needs to be too worried, I think there will be a


significantly low turnout, even I am finding it hard to be that excited


about this general election. Really, the policies, we have spent a lot of


time talking about them today and we have to examine them, but all this


is about is, do you want Theresa May or Jeremy Corbyn in Number Ten?


Those are the only question is, apart from possibly how strong do


you feel about Brexit, that will be on the voters' minds. You may say


that but I will not be put off from going through a list of policies


that we have already had in the last 24 hours. On the Conservatives, more


powers to stop company bosses under pensions, of course Philip Green was


in mind there. Labour has come up with quite a few policies, actually,


give all work of equal rights, whether part-time or full-time,


temporary or permanent. Ukip, scrap VAT or takeaway -- on takeaway food


and end the BBC licence fee. The Liberal Democrats have come out


posed to the runway at Heathrow. I thought I knew that already? Will


any of these policies make a difference? They are all nice handy


things that people quite liked but probably not, is the answer. They


are an awful way away from polling day now for people to remember and


latch onto. I don't think you make your mind up on small issues like


Heathrow, unless you live in Richmond-upon-Thames, maybe, but the


problem Labour have got with unfailing a lot of these retail type


policies which, in themselves, are very popular, is no one will listen


to them until they get over the leadership credibility issue. Jeremy


Corbyn could the world on a stick, but if no one believes he can


deliver it then he will not be listened to and he has not done much


apart from a speech yesterday in which is claim to fame was getting


arrested, I don't see how that would work for him getting to Number Ten.


They are not making progress on it. Labour has rolled out a number of


policies which, taken individually, would have certain traction in


normal times, quite interesting ideas, this sense of unfairness, a


feeling that ordinary workers have not done well out of the recovery,


those who caused the crash have, 20 points, I went through some of them


earlier, putting aside they are not costed, we are assured they will be.


The problem I suggest is not the costing but the cut through? Every


election has a context which is determined by opinion polls, however


sceptical we are these days, and if one party is way ahead it is


difficult for the other party to appear relevant, because if people


assume they are not going to win, even some of its own MPs are saying,


we are not going to win this, so you can vote for us, it is very hard to


get attention and relevance. Where I think all the parties are bad with


their current leaders is framing arguments, so those policies you


have highlighted makes sense. The best leaders are brilliant framers


of an argument and neither Theresa Maynor Jeremy Corbyn R. They have


been campaigning, their manifestos are not out yet, both sides have


been telling us we have to wait for costings, but it has not stopped


them campaigning. Let's remind you of where they have been and what


they have been doing so far. Let's start with Jeremy Corbyn, his


first official visit was in the ultra-marginal Conservative seat of


Croydon Central where the MP Gavin Barwell has a lead of just 165. That


is not the only Conservative seat he has visited, along the way he popped


in on Bristol North West, a Conservative majority of nearly


5000. The Tory seat of Cardiff North, a lead of just over 2000,


Warrington South, just over 2700, and Crewe and Nantwich, Tory


majority of three and a half thousand. Yesterday he visited


Bethnal greed and Bob, a Labour lead of 20 4000. Theresa May kicked off


her campaign in Bolton, Labour majority of over 4000. On her way


round the UK she had a comfy stop in her own maidenhead seat, where she


is defending a majority of nearly 30,000, before travelling to other


Labour marginals including Dudley North, a Labour lead of 4000.


Bridgend, a lead of just under 2004 Labour, before becoming ambitious


and visiting shadow minister Richard Bergen's Leeds East seat, which he


won by over 12,500 votes. Yesterday she went north of the border to


Aberdeenshire, where amongst other places she visited the SNP seat of


West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine, where the Tories would have to gain


over 7000 votes to unseat the NP. What do you make of it all so far?


It is remarkable she is doing these visits in Scotland. Past but even


five years and the idea of a Tory Prime Minister going round Scotland


would be utterly counter-productive, and actually they are ambitious for


Scotland now under with Davidson, a prospect of multiple seats, and that


would be a real genuine shift in Scottish politics, the likes of


which we have not seen for 15 or 20 years. If she gets that, that helps


towards 100 seats, because if she wins ten in Scotland, it is


effectively 20, the SNP lose ten, she gains ten, she wants to do that


in the Midlands with Labour, and the North. To get the 100 majority,


other than Scotland, she has to win Labour seats, that is all that is


there. And clearly she has been told, it is obvious, that she has a


chance of doing so, otherwise you don't go to these parts of the


country in the first few days of the campaign. All logic points to her


being able to pull it off as well. The opinion polls, the state of the


Labour Party. The only qualification I have in this is that politics is


so wild and free Braille at the moment, it doesn't feel like


landslide to rain. That is true, it doesn't. It is early days, we


haven't yet had the manifestos, the campaign is yet to gather momentum.


It doesn't feel like landslide territory. I disagree, look at every


single poll, the Tory lead is 10% in Wales, you can see her picking up 20


seat there. Put this together, I am told by the way she is going into


traditional Labour heartland again tomorrow, the key is the Ukip vote.


That will implode... Crumble towards Tories? If she can hoover that up


and retain the Tory vote, she will have a majority of 150.


I cannot let you go without reminding you that it is Donald


Trump's 100 days. He's not making a lot of it now, this is what he said


last night. We are just beginning in our fight


to make America great again. Now, before we talk about my first


100 days, which has been very exciting and very productive,


let's rate the media's 100 days. Because, as you know,


they are a disgrace. There you go, still bashing the


media, that was at a rally in Virginia, the 100 days was last


night. He seems happier campaigning than running the country. You each


have 20 seconds to give me your board on the first 100 days.


Remarkable, he will not stop slagging off the media but America


first has not meant America first in terms of national policy, he has


reneges on what he said about Nato being obsolete. He is moving from


the old right to the centre because that is where you get things done,


he is a pragmatist, also is about's friend Nigel Parrott is no longer


welcome, we read this morning! Allegedly! He loves campaigning but


finds governing much more difficult. Who would have thought being


president of the United States was a difficult job?! He loves rallies but


being president and politics is a very difficult thing indeed. Thank


you, there we go, Mr Trump's 100 days, we will see what the next 100


brings. The Daily Politics is back


on BBC Two after the bank holiday on Tuesday at midday,


with all the latest And I'll be back here


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